OCLogs: 2022-01-04.log

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L1[00:13:38] <XXCoder> lol fun

L2[00:33:09] <Izaya> Anyone able to simply explain the naming conventions for docking ports? Wikipedia is ... opaque.

L3[00:33:23] <SporkWitch> how do you mean?

L4[00:33:29] <SporkWitch> Like what does the ship name become?

L5[00:33:44] <Izaya> no like directions

L6[00:34:16] <SporkWitch> could you link the article that's confusing you? I'm not really sure what you're actually asking, heh

L7[00:35:06] <Izaya> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadir I think it's assuming a statically oriented craft which may be ruining my day :|

L8[00:36:41] <SporkWitch> it's just up and down, but defined in relation to relative strongest gravitational influence, rather than arbitrary

L9[00:37:49] <Izaya> okay so if my ship was pointing normal, fore would be normal, aft would be anti-normal, nadir would be radial in, zenith would be radial out

L10[00:38:45] <SporkWitch> yes

L11[00:39:52] <Izaya> alright, that's all the docking nodes renamed :D

L12[00:40:11] <SporkWitch> ah, i see what you meant now

L13[00:40:15] <SporkWitch> those would not be the correct terms

L14[00:40:21] <Izaya> o-oh

L15[00:40:45] <SporkWitch> You name them relative to the craft. Ventral (belly), dorsal (back), port (left), starboard (right), fore, and aft

L16[00:41:13] <Izaya> Even on a station?

L17[00:41:37] <SporkWitch> are you constantly rotating your station to keep the same docking port facing the planet? :P

L18[00:41:45] <Izaya> I can B)

L19[00:42:00] <SporkWitch> then you COULD, though it would still be conventional to name them relative to the craft.

L20[00:42:20] <Izaya> it has kOS, I can have a boot script lock the steering to heading(0,0) until SAS is enabled

L21[00:42:24] <SporkWitch> if you don't rotate it, though, then nadir is constantly changing relative to the craft

L22[00:43:05] <SporkWitch> (the ISS does this, actually, it has a slight rotation so that the same side is always facing the earth's surface)

L23[00:46:09] <SporkWitch> Izaya: point stands, if you're going for _proper_ naming conventions, even for a station, it would be the ventral docking port, not nadir.

L24[00:46:33] <Izaya> it does mean I can apply that to arbitrary craft and keep the same scheme

L25[00:46:41] <SporkWitch> that's why it's done lol

L26[00:47:57] <SporkWitch> (though honestly i never even noticed you could name docking ports, but i always haven't done much docking; all the video always seemed to be tempting the kraken; i probably should experiment more with orbital construction, probably just need an engineer and some struts to stabilize things, or could even just auto-strut these days...)

L27[00:48:22] <Izaya> the Konstruction mod has construction docking ports which is really nice

L28[00:48:29] <SporkWitch> what i'd really like is a PROPER docking camera; the couple i've tried either don't work or i couldn't figure them out lol

L29[00:48:43] <Izaya> they can be "compressed" and deleted from the craft, permanently attaching the two sides

L30[00:50:29] <SporkWitch> interesting. that would solve a lot of the current issues with orbital construction, since it doesn't let you interact with stuff that's "too heavy" to do a proper assembly in space using the EVA construction mechanics

L31[00:50:52] <Izaya> if I add a .old to the name of a .cfg will the game not load it?

L32[00:51:15] <SporkWitch> i'm just hoping i'm not deluding myself in thinking these will be solved problems in KSP2. Orbital and off-planet construction are the two big things that were never done well in KSP, but would really clinch it as pure awesome, instead of just mostly awesome lol

L33[00:51:22] <SporkWitch> shouldn't

L34[00:51:28] <Izaya> good

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L37[01:31:32] <tsmspace> hello, would it be possible to have small drones such as SPHERES and ASTROBEE included in the game?? I am flying them around little courses I assembled (using ship parts to make gates) and presently the smallest machine I can build in the vanilla game is roughly 350 lbs (.175 tons). It is the smallest monopropellent tank that can have thrusters mou

L38[01:31:32] <tsmspace> nted to it, some thrusters and a battery. I also would like to see out the front of the drone,, just like real life quadcopter FPV. (I do believe spheres had a camera, but the astronauts did not have a good 6 axis interface, so sport flying probably wasn't particularly common). It would be fun to simulate a small, football sized co2 powered drone.

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L40[01:32:42] <SporkWitch> might be able to manage something with a scaling mod, but no, nothing quite that small in stock

L41[01:34:21] <tsmspace> I really don't know how to use mods, or such

L42[01:34:37] <SporkWitch> there are mod managers available, like CKAN

L43[01:37:18] <tsmspace> I'm completely unfamiliar

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L57[05:14:20] <Izaya> if it's not in your package manager you should be able to grab a copy from here https://github.com/KSP-CKAN/CKAN/releases

L58[05:31:05] <Izaya> automagically deploying communication satellites on the dark side of the Mun B) https://shadowkat.net/tmp/N1of.jpg

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L80[11:01:56] <Althego> zombanwa

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L88[12:39:33] <darkie> .

L89[12:39:51] <Althego> too late

L90[12:39:54] <darkie> mhm

L91[13:12:33] <Mat2ch> no, on point for 1399!

L92[13:12:39] <Mat2ch> *1339

L93[13:13:09] <sandbox> 1313

L94[13:13:45] <sandbox> I just missed 13:13:13

L95[13:14:00] <Althego> ieee 1394

L96[13:14:35] * Mat2ch fires Althego

L97[13:14:45] <Althego> you mean firewires

L98[13:18:40] <bees> You search for more vict^H^H^H^H willing volunteers. Your attempt to ship food to starving forum delinquents on Tylo fails when you arrested for "feeding the trolls."

L99[13:20:23] <darkie> vict?

L100[13:20:31] <Althego> victims

L101[13:20:35] <darkie> :)

L102[13:20:37] <Althego> but deletes halfway

L103[13:20:41] <darkie> yeah

L104[13:20:50] <darkie> thought victorious?

L105[13:21:06] <Althego> voluntold to do it

L106[13:21:14] <darkie> you *are* arrested

L107[13:22:17] <Althego> interesting, voluntold is not even underlined, so known by the checker

L108[13:37:48] <sandbox> was I supposed to be saying something right now?

L109[13:43:05] <darkie> sandbox: No, it's voluntary.

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L111[13:57:18] <bees> You don't use correct grammar. You meet an alien who refuses to say anything other than the words "??? ????".

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L113[13:59:17] <Althego> shaka, when the walls fell

L114[14:00:42] <sandbox> Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

L115[14:01:52] <darkie> aiwaebie jowahguu theixahg yengiera eekoocai

L116[14:02:05] <darkie> pwgen -0A

L117[14:02:22] <Althego> https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Tamarian_language#Examples

L118[14:20:54] <Althego> ohhohoho, amd ces video in 39 minutes, nvidia in 99 minutes

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L123[17:53:36] <randomuser4542> hello

L124[17:53:50] <randomuser4542> 111 users

L125[17:53:57] <randomuser4542> anyone here?

L126[17:53:58] <randomuser4542> hello?

L127[17:54:06] <Althego> maybe

L128[17:54:52] <Mat2ch> Sometimes

L129[17:54:58] <Mat2ch> (all I need is the air that I breath)

L130[17:55:14] <randomuser4542> @Althego can you approve my post on fourms?

L131[17:55:19] <Althego> so supposedly webb sunshield is deployed and tensioned now

L132[17:55:24] <randomuser4542> yup

L133[17:55:33] <Althego> not me

L134[17:55:48] <randomuser4542> i wonder if it is going to get us any pictures of white holes

L135[17:56:17] <randomuser4542> Althego

L136[17:56:30] <randomuser4542> used to discord so i keep @pinging

L137[17:56:33] <Althego> raptop: forums?

L138[17:58:26] <randomuser4542> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/206258-mod-request/

L139[17:58:48] <Mat2ch> Today or tomorrow the chop sticks could move...

L140[17:59:03] <randomuser4542> lol espernet gave a 404 error while trying to load it

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L142[18:19:48] <raptop> ping

L143[18:20:16] <raptop> I'm getting a 404 on the link

L144[18:20:30] <Althego> could not find that topic

L145[18:20:43] <raptop> I'm assuming that those are the same

L146[18:20:50] <Althego> randomuser4542: now is the time

L147[18:20:53] <raptop> randomuser4542: white holes are a purely theoretical thing that probably don't exist

L148[18:22:19] <raptop> randomuser4542: anyway, there are a lot of cycle 1 programs, I'm unclear on what the exact order will be: https://www.stsci.edu/jwst/science-execution

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L156[20:16:21] <raptop> Well, forum link works now

L157[20:16:26] <raptop> O_o O_O o_O

L158[20:16:51] <Althego> db issue?

L159[20:23:04] <raptop> I guess

L160[20:23:10] <raptop> also o_O at the request

L161[20:23:26] <Althego> lol digimon

L162[20:29:41] <raptop> Assuming such a mod is possible, it would probably have to be kept off the forums due to IP violations

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L167[22:08:20] <raptop> ;mission

L168[22:08:20] <LunchBot> raptop: You crack open a goo can. This will be fixed in the next version.

L169[22:08:44] <raptop> bug fix: goo cans contained 40bit encryption (now updated to 256bit)

L170[22:14:51] <bees> raptop: You decide to solve your problems by using regular expressions. You are shredded by a relativistic feather cloud ejected from a very frivolous high-energy physics experiment.

L171[22:15:48] <raptop> Note to self: only do serious high-energy physics experiments

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L173[22:16:50] <darkie> Can Webb be used to find Kardashev type III civs via their waste IR emissions and direct starlight?

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L175[22:22:11] <raptop> Possibly in conjunction with other instruments, though people have IIRC looked at SDSS, WISE, etc surveys and found nothing

L176[22:22:38] <raptop> I guess in a year or two one could compare JWST data in GOODS-N or whatever with HST?

L177[22:25:59] <raptop> Hrm, I think some of the Cycle 1 programs will be looking at Stripe 82

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L181[22:57:27] <Mat2ch> If JWST only operates for 10 years then shouldn't they be building a new one already?

L182[22:57:51] * raptop eyes NGRST and IROUV

L183[22:58:36] <darkie> gn

L184[22:58:49] <raptop> Okay, yes, NGRST skews more towards being a survey instrument and IIRC lacks MIR capabilities

L185[22:58:59] <raptop> darsie with a k?

L186[22:59:23] <darkie> yeah. It's a dark time being banned from libera.

L187[22:59:35] <raptop> ah

L188[22:59:47] <raptop> And IROUV is, uh, more of a super hubble and very conceptual at the moment

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