OCLogs: 2021-11-18.log

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L3[01:41:04] <raptop> ;mission

L4[01:41:05] <LunchBot> raptop: You attempt to mutate some neutrinos. But Althego already fixed it incorrectly. Full Stop.

L5[01:41:13] <raptop> <_<

L6[01:41:14] <raptop> >_>

L7[01:44:47] <bees> raptop: You construct a solar death ray. You successfully lower the speed of light to 1 m/s. However, your subsequent excited rush out of your lab to announce your findings goes very badly for you.

L8[01:45:51] <packbart> Slow Fog protects against Dark Forest Attacks

L9[01:46:14] <raptop> I should probably have tried to raise the speed of light to make the death ray more effective

L10[01:47:16] <bees> see also: SCP-536

L11[01:48:09] <XXCoder> lol

L12[01:48:18] <XXCoder> gonna love indirect ping

L13[01:48:24] <XXCoder> ;mission

L14[01:48:24] <LunchBot> XXCoder: You are contracted to remove all asteroids from the Kerbol system. The IRC server crashes.

L15[01:49:01] <raptop> In retrospect, having every asteroid announce its position over IRC was a mistake

L16[01:49:34] <bees> XXCoder: You confuse brachistochrone and brachiosaur trajectories. You somehow end up in Dilbert space.

L17[01:49:49] <XXCoder> indeed

L18[01:49:58] <XXCoder> oh you guys saw new baba is you update?

L19[01:50:07] <XXCoder> i made my first level lol XGNF-4XE4

L20[01:50:46] * raptop should try out baba is you at some point

L21[01:50:52] <raptop> ;outcome saur

L22[01:50:52] <LunchBot> raptop: An 80 tonne sauropod collides with your space station at 120 km/s.

L23[01:51:11] <XXCoder> depends on you, but could be hell of a fun

L24[01:51:15] <darsie> That's pretty slow.

L25[01:51:32] <darsie> ohh, km/s, not km/h.

L26[01:51:59] <XXCoder> meh just 60*60 times faster ;)

L27[01:52:01] <darsie> I dare you to get anything to 120 km/s.

L28[01:52:12] <raptop> That is, of course, the outcome to go with the brachiosaur trajectory joke

L29[01:52:29] <XXCoder> lol

L30[01:52:30] * raptop points a flashlight at darsie

L31[01:52:51] <raptop> (or are photons overkill?)

L32[01:53:12] * darsie goes to sleep.

L33[01:53:17] <raptop> 'night

L34[01:53:42] <XXCoder> wow light causes dars to sleep ;)

L35[01:53:43] <XXCoder> night

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L37[01:57:56] <raptop> sleep is good, but I wish I didn't need it

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L41[02:50:02] <XXCoder> rap me too lol

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L63[08:42:39] <Mat2ch> https://i.imgur.com/IhVcsJl.png Meh

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L65[08:43:19] <Althego> which year?

L66[08:44:14] <XXCoder> 202x

L67[08:50:06] <Althego> almost megaman

L68[08:51:22] <darsie> Who's that?

L69[08:51:27] <darsie> Elon?

L70[08:52:04] <XXCoder> time to feel old

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L74[09:04:23] <Mat2ch> Althego: every year from now on!

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L76[09:20:44] <Althego> tweet for tldw:

L77[09:20:45] <Althego> First orbital launch attempt in January/February

L78[09:20:45] <Althego> 1000 Starships for life to become multi-planetary

L79[09:20:45] <Althego> 2-3 uncrewed Mars landings before humans

L80[09:20:45] <Althego> A dozen Starship launches in 2022

L81[09:20:45] <Althego> Launch of commercial payloads in 2023

L82[09:22:05] <Mat2ch> So, let's convert the Elon-time to real time.

L83[09:22:11] <Althego> hehe

L84[09:22:17] <Althego> they can launch in january

L85[09:22:18] <Mat2ch> First launch in March, second launch in May.

L86[09:22:26] <Althego> they are basically waiting for approval

L87[09:22:37] <Mat2ch> Then fiddeling around for another three month

L88[09:22:46] <Mat2ch> to get the landing thing straight.

L89[09:22:49] <Althego> sn21 is well underway

L90[09:23:04] <Mat2ch> Inbetween we will see the lunar stuff being built and tested

L91[09:23:28] <Mat2ch> then in 2023 maybe a launch to Mars, but only flyby, coming back 2024, landing attempt.

L92[09:23:46] <Althego> however the dozen launches in 2022 seems to be a lot

L93[09:23:49] <Mat2ch> In 2025 launch to Mars with payload to test landing

L94[09:23:57] <Mat2ch> Fails spectecularly.

L95[09:24:12] <Mat2ch> Then several launches per year to get that straight

L96[09:24:27] <Mat2ch> and in 2030 maybe a launch to Mars wit humans, but only flyby.

L97[09:24:44] <Mat2ch> Maybe even two ships connected by cables to create artificial gravity

L98[09:25:46] <Mat2ch> Oh, I forgot the whole in orbit refuel that has to be tested thoroughly.

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L101[10:26:03] <Althego> there is no launch window for mars in 2023

L102[10:26:40] <Althego> closest one is autumn 2022

L103[10:27:35] <Althego> altough landing would be in 2023 if they launched next year

L104[10:28:37] <Althego> only one launch to mars next year, the esa rover

L105[10:29:08] <darsie> I saw "ESA" graffiti, but I don't think it's space related.

L106[10:37:12] <Mat2ch> Althego: launch window with or without taking the venus route into account?

L107[10:37:20] <Althego> no venus

L108[10:37:33] <Althego> i really want to go to mars with venus flyby

L109[10:38:50] <Mat2ch> If you take the venus route you can launch more often

L110[10:39:06] <Mat2ch> so I guess SpaceX knows that and will take it into account

L111[10:39:16] <Althego> and somehow nobody is using this method

L112[10:39:33] <Althego> find out how to make your mars trips shorted with this one insane trick!

L113[10:42:13] <Mat2ch> Probably all missions starting now have been planned for years and years and they never thought about Venus back then

L114[11:22:29] <Mat2ch> Is there an online space flight planner, where you can move the orbits and stuff like in KSP?

L115[11:28:13] * darsie thinks GMAT is very different.

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L117[12:31:14] <Althego> 22k people watching a duck sing

L118[12:35:43] <sandbox> not me, I'm watching cats fighting

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L166[17:55:01] <packbart> Disappointed Bezos. https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1461358172514385925

L167[17:55:37] <packbart> "Blue Origin is in the position of every disappointed bidder: Oh. That’s what the agency wanted and liked best? If we had known, we could have offered a better price and snazzier features and options."

L168[17:57:55] <Althego> we call this "explaining the school report" (why it happened to be so bad)

L169[18:12:57] <Mat2ch> hrhr

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L177[19:01:05] <raptop> ;me pokes things with a stick

L178[19:01:22] <raptop> s/;/\//

L179[19:02:51] * darsie poked his nasopharynx with a stick.

L180[19:03:02] <raptop> sorry about that

L181[19:03:12] <darsie> np

L182[19:10:43] <Mat2ch> ouch

L183[19:11:18] <darsie> Juts the normal sample stick.

L184[19:12:00] * raptop is suddenly reminded that it would be nice to have a meterstick on hand for astronomy outreach purposes

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L186[19:14:28] <raptop> explode, darn you!

L187[19:14:47] <umaxtu> lol

L188[19:23:30] <raptop> todo at some point: make the stub articles about the extra spaceports a bit less stubby

L189[19:23:42] <raptop> (though mostly location info and if you can get more science from them)

L190[19:43:23] <Althego> ih scott

L191[19:43:32] <Althego> *oh

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L196[20:48:54] <raptop> . o O (v-tuber with kerbal avatar)

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L198[21:28:05] <trace> hi

L199[21:28:06] <Mod9000> Hello, trace

L200[21:28:36] <trace> I asked in another ##physics how to 3d model a space station realistically

L201[21:30:49] <raptop> There's a risk in that a lot of space station assembly here involves assembly of quasi-lego parts under relatex Δv, thermal, etc constraints

L202[21:31:23] <raptop> Also that historically most stations were launched fully assembled

L203[21:34:30] <trace> good to know

L204[21:39:32] <trace> raptop, but maybe this wont forever

L205[21:39:45] <raptop> *checking notes*: Skylab, Salyuts 1-5, and Tiangong 1&2 all had no orbital assembly. Salyut 7, and arguably 6 sorta did with the TKS spacecraft

L206[21:39:58] <trace> in 400 or so deep space 9 is going to be built and you know it looks different ;)

L207[21:40:05] <raptop> Mir, the ISS, and the very in-progress Chinese space station do assembly

L208[21:40:18] <raptop> (Or did, rather, for Mir)

L209[21:41:01] <trace> soner or later we build stations that shall build stations or space crafts

L210[21:43:06] <raptop> Presumably, though I don't know what the best resources for the construction details of something like Island 1 would be

L211[21:47:11] <trace> Isn't it best for artificial gravitation to use a torus with maximum radius?

L212[21:49:18] <raptop> AIUI, once you get above some size, coriolis forces are less of a big deal and so going with a cylinder gets you more land area for unit mass

L213[21:49:37] <raptop> Stability would very much depend on the dimensions, and I'm rusty on Euler angles and the like

L214[21:53:21] <trace> so greater size means you need to spin faster for an equivalent artificial graviation?

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L216[21:56:07] <raptop> Faster in m/s, slower in rad/s

L217[21:57:21] <raptop> assuming I didn't mess up the math, v = sqrt(a*r) but θ' = sqrt(a/r)

L218[21:59:08] <trace> great, that was what I wanted to know

L219[22:00:06] <trace> would it make sense to have multiple torus in one plain circle?

L220[22:00:14] <trace> with different radius?

L221[22:00:48] <trace> maybe if you want different artificial gravitation

L222[22:01:00] <raptop> Maybe!

L223[22:01:43] <raptop> You described the obvious reason, but getting into the motivations for wanting that would probably require some worldbuilding

L224[22:09:24] <a_flayer> nice, <200m/s rendezvous in LKO about 5 minutes after launch

L225[22:10:51] <raptop> whee!

L226[22:17:18] <packbart> Scott: this could actually work

L227[22:17:32] <packbart> Thunderfootinmouth: Baawww, scammity scam scam scam!11

L228[22:17:33] <packbart> hm

L229[22:18:36] <packbart> ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAczd3mt3X0 vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ziGI0i9VbE )

L230[22:18:47] <raptop> If this is about spinlaunch, I was laughing at them until they started building/testing hardware

L231[22:19:01] <raptop> yep, it is

L232[22:19:04] <packbart> yeah, it is

L233[22:19:33] <packbart> I don't like the Thunder guy anyway. He loves to rant for clicks

L234[22:19:34] <trace> why is the torus always that way that its a circle in a circle. Isn't it possible that the area where you have that artificial gracity become much borader? so that it would look like a cylinder from outside?

L235[22:23:04] <packbart> .oO( https://i.imgur.com/pOikkGL.png )

L236[22:23:08] <raptop> I'm not sure I understand the question -- there's a continuum between something like a tuna can and something like a pencil

L237[22:24:34] <trace> instead of a torus you have a cylinder

L238[22:25:00] <trace> I would need to paint it

L239[22:25:23] <trace> it is just that something of the torus becomes longer

L240[22:25:28] <trace> so that the result is a cylinder

L241[22:25:50] <trace> you make the torus ring from a circle to an egg

L242[22:25:57] <trace> and longer and longer

L243[22:26:09] <trace> so that the whole thing looks from outside like a cylinder

L244[22:26:28] <trace> but is is hollow

L245[22:26:51] <trace> as well as the torus is in that erea empty

L246[22:27:10] <trace> I am just strechting something

L247[22:27:16] <trace> one 3d operation

L248[22:27:58] <trace> like the big ship in Expanse

L249[22:28:03] <trace> that can start to rotate

L250[22:28:42] <trace> but you can only walk at the edge because inside it is empty

L251[22:31:35] <raptop> It's definitely something I've seen at times (example giant version https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Internal_view_of_the_O%27Neill_cylinder.jpg)

L252[22:31:55] <raptop> I want to say that really long ones have stability issues / need active controls but I could be wrong

L253[22:36:01] <packbart> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topopolis

L254[22:36:10] <packbart> it works in the Bobiverse :)

L255[22:38:46] <packbart> related Scott: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxeMoaxUpWk

L256[22:53:35] <raptop> huh

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L265[23:39:47] <SporkWitch> lol, gg Konversation, here i am thinking this channel is just dead if i'm not inanely rambling about my basic KSP accomplishments, and it actually just lost connection and never told me and took me multiple days to notice lol

L266[23:40:38] <darsie> .

L267[23:48:01] <raptop> *sad trombone*