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L1[00:04:50] <SporkWitch> wow that was a hot return; i actually saw a heat bar on the heat shield lol
L2[00:17:08] <packbart> it's fine ;)
L3[00:17:20] <SporkWitch> it was; still surprising lol
L4[00:17:52] <SporkWitch> was definitely pretty tight on fuel thanks to the couple screwups on minmus, but it got jeb home. Left Bob the scientist and Bobvin the engineer on minmus at the lab :P
L5[00:18:06] <SporkWitch> they'll probably be there a while... lol
L6[00:19:30] <darsie> I just returned two Minmus scientists and their lab to Kerbin.
L7[00:19:39] <darsie> After many 29 years :).
L8[00:20:07] <SporkWitch> is there any reason to bring the lab back? i figured i'd just leave it; by the time it's practical to return it, it's not worth the money back on it, right?
L9[00:21:44] <darsie> right, but I had a double mission: Transfer any crew near Minmus, and it didn't accept transfer of hte stranded Kerbal to the command seat of the fuel shuttle I sent, so I got the lab to orbit and transfer there counted. Then I brought all three back.
L10[00:22:02] <darsie> three Kerbals with a two seat lab ... :)
L11[00:22:37] <SporkWitch> lol
L12[00:23:07] <darsie> One held onto the ladder during burns, then had to let go for time warps ...
L13[00:23:24] <SporkWitch> i kind of wish there was more stuff on kerbin itself. As I unlock more plane parts I'm finally getting some decent aircraft, but there's zero reward. It's like it's basically wasted science until you unlock aerospace tech
L14[00:24:55] <darsie> Well, depends how much you like flying. I once circumnavigated Kerbin with a Juno and two small wings. Was it two aluminium fins?
L15[00:25:21] <darsie> Had to take off and land vertically.
L16[00:33:30] <SporkWitch> hmmm, this could be a problem... unlocked the big plane parts... but not the big landing gear... lol
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L30[02:32:48] <XXCoder> SporkWitch: lol can always land in water
L31[02:33:03] <XXCoder> if i recall right, its less acidic than in old days
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L35[03:57:11] <raptop> Yeah, the biggest deathtraps are the mountains if anything
L36[04:12:03] <Althego> where, why?
L37[04:17:16] <raptop> I've had capsules flip/roll into going boom
L38[04:17:22] <Althego> me too
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L45[04:40:13] <Althego> cocktail mixing reaper
L46[04:40:25] <Althego> or is ir reaper mixing cocktail
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L52[06:11:13] <UmbralRaptop> … is the cocktail safe to drink?
L53[06:13:52] <Althego> they looked ok, but we will never know
L54[06:15:29] <UmbralRaptop> Obviously a phoenix should try them first
L55[06:15:43] <Althego> far away. and i think calli already drank them
L56[06:16:07] <UmbralRaptop> hm
L57[06:16:31] <Althego> also kiara doesnt drink alcohol
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L62[07:23:46] <minas_tirith> Althego, whats kiaras sona
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L71[10:28:49] <pureblood> Any rocketery geeks here?
L72[10:28:58] <pureblood> I need some information
L73[10:30:59] <a_flayer> no, there's no one in this irc channel that has a fondness of rockets
L74[10:31:59] <a_flayer> we are all here because we enjoy administration and marketing
L75[10:33:35] <Althego> hehe
L76[10:34:19] <Althego> you are better off not trying to use hydrazine and red fuming nitric acid
L77[10:38:23] <darsie> I tried RFNA+ethanol. It's not hypergolic.
L78[10:39:09] <Althego> i think at this point everything has been tried
L79[10:40:09] <Althego> and mostly settled to IRFNA and hydrazine. or hydrazine + udmh and dinitrogen tetroxide
L80[10:40:15] <darsie> Does RO have FOOF?
L81[10:43:42] <darsie> I thought about sealing N2O in glass vials and observe the N2O<-->N2O4 reaction.
L82[10:43:57] <darsie> I've made ampoules with liquid CO2.
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L85[10:48:43] <Althego> i guess then you are the closes to a crazy rocket scientist here
L86[10:48:49] <darsie> :)
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L88[10:56:37] <pureblood> I need HTP:Ethane reaction data, namely activation energy, autoignition temp, characteristic flame length. Anyone?
L89[10:59:36] <darsie> Try ##space in libera.
L90[10:59:55] <pureblood> IRFNA-IV a.k.a HDA is indeed superior to IRFNA-III, and I heard that vacuum restarts weren't actually limited by something other than engine seconds (think later agena tech)
L91[11:00:03] <pureblood> libera? what's that?
L92[11:00:13] <Althego> libera.chat
L93[11:00:27] <darsie> libera.chat , created due to the takeover of freenode.
L94[11:00:28] <Althego> what remains from freenode
L95[11:00:38] <pureblood> eek, I would never
L96[11:00:41] <pureblood> I am a christian
L97[11:00:55] <darsie> never what?
L98[11:01:25] <Althego> probably thinks it has to do with libertarians
L99[11:01:30] <pureblood> I do not want to have anything even remotely in common with that filth, darsie
L100[11:01:35] <pureblood> (former freenode)
L101[11:01:51] <darsie> gl, then.
L102[11:02:45] <pureblood> Althego: been idling there when 9600 baud modem was luxury, or rather on what became freenode later. Watched it rot. Never again.
L103[11:03:12] <Althego> i just went there after it became libera
L104[11:03:21] <pureblood> lol
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L106[12:49:52] <a_flayer> lol, my vtol aircraft works so well i just landed it blind
L107[12:51:04] <a_flayer> i was reading the chat while descending, and when i looked back i had landed safely on the ground
L108[12:51:11] <Althego> hehe
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L111[13:52:54] <SporkWitch> does the atmospheric fluid spectro-variometer count as a pressure sensor and thermometer, or something else entirely? It seems like it would logically gather the same data as those two, reducing how much junk i have to cart around, but logic and kerbals don't always mix heh
L112[13:54:40] <Althego> "Despite some criticism claiming that fluid spectro-variometry isn't a real science"
L113[13:55:18] <Althego> i guess it would measure composition
L114[13:59:42] <SporkWitch> ah, fair point. are there any science gizmos that combine multiple earlier ones or is that probably a mod-only thing?
L115[14:01:28] <Althego> the stock things are all different as count as their own measurement
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L120[14:50:44] <SporkWitch> think my next mission is going to be a duna orbiter and rover, should hopefully give me the science and money i need to upgrade R&D and unlock aerospace
L121[15:13:15] <darsie> SporkWitch: *SPOILER* The easy way to complete the tech tree is via a research lab on Minmus wiht as many sensors as you can get. The easy way to make all the money you need is to wait for a contract to scan for high inclination asteroids with the IR telescope.
L122[15:13:46] <darsie> That way you never have to fly to other bodies than Minmus :).
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L125[15:56:07] <SporkWitch> darsie: i do have a lab on minmus now; that was yesterday's mission. Bob the scientist and Bobvin the engineer (rescue from orbit mission :P) stayed behind to man the lab, Jeb flew the tug back to kerbin. Also just unlocked the first telescope, so might start seeing those come up. I'll orbit a satellite then :)
L126[15:57:51] <SporkWitch> sadly weekdays mean i actually get customers and can't goof off all day lol; huzzah for 4x10's though, no work wed-fri :)
L127[15:58:00] <darsie> SporkWitch: check for highly paid asteroid scanning contracts, wait 7 days, check again ... till you find one.
L128[15:58:18] <darsie> >1 MVF. They go up to 10 MVF.
L129[15:58:30] <darsie> Maybe not early in the game.
L130[15:58:45] <darsie> Don't settle for <1 MVF.
L131[15:59:19] <darsie> Only ... you miss out on many other contracts that way.
L132[15:59:46] <SporkWitch> MVF?
L133[15:59:53] <darsie> mega virtual funds
L134[16:00:02] <darsie> I read the currency symbol as VF.
L135[16:00:18] <SporkWitch> ah, so by that you mean 1 million funds?
L136[16:00:21] <darsie> yes
L137[16:01:10] <SporkWitch> wow that's a jump; the most i've seen from contracts so far is 80-300k for rescue missions depending on where they are, and like 500k for a base that i probably can't orbit economically yet (since i don't have parts that allow enough kerbals to meet the population requirement)
L138[16:01:24] <raptop> VF or roots being some of the terms people use for the kerbal currency
L139[16:01:39] <SporkWitch> i've just been calling it "funds" since that's what the wiki used lol
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L141[16:02:43] <darsie> It may take a lot of game time, so if you want to be efficient that way, it may not be for you.
L142[16:03:53] <SporkWitch> i've mostly been stressing science and funds efficiency, because i always worry about getting "stuck" heh. less worried about time. yesterday's mission is the closest to even having simultaneous missions running, and it hardly counts since i did the single mission in real-time and the split left them stationary on the surface lol
L143[16:04:28] <SporkWitch> though thinking about it, i might try welding the rover wheels i brought to the lab itself, and see if the RCS can tip it over and it's stable as a mobile lab... if so, that'll be super helpful
L144[16:09:40] <Althego> al.so caleld kerbucks and spesos
L145[16:10:51] * raptop sort of wishes that the devs had used ¤ (generic currency symbol)
L146[16:10:52] <SporkWitch> lol, i like spesos lol
L147[16:11:48] <SporkWitch> G is also a good / common one. could be gold, gil, geld (german for both gold and money)
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L159[18:04:23] <deadmind> check out this cool graphics mod for ksp :D https://youtu.be/TeVbYCIFVa8?t=31
L160[18:04:42] <Althego> hehe
L161[18:04:55] <deadmind> dem plumes would wreck my 960ti
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L164[19:03:53] <SporkWitch> pureblood: just realized there's a #kspmodding channel; you might try that question you've been struggling with there
L165[19:09:55] <packbart> hm. is that different from #kspmodders?
L166[19:33:37] <Althego> oh no, chicken in less than half an hour
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L168[20:05:50] <Althego> whispering kikkerikii
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L171[20:11:38] <pureblood> packbart: #KSPModders Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services (while #KSPModding allows join but is dead - in fact I went there 1st, but haven't seen a single person talk/answer there yet)
L172[20:12:29] <pureblood> (not that I had any meaningful or remotely useful response here, so in that sense this # is kinda dead too, or surely looks this way)
L173[20:18:29] <packbart> yeah, I always forget the nickserv password and by the time I can finally join, I forgot the question ;)
L174[20:18:41] <raptop> something something audoident scripts
L175[20:19:09] <packbart> I did get some good answers, iirc, though
L176[20:20:03] <packbart> so there are weeks of silence in #kspmodders but if a question comes up, it (usually) gets an answer
L177[20:21:25] <pureblood> raptop: something something autoidenting vaxx passports
L178[20:21:54] <raptop> oh, right, I should renew my normal passport
L179[20:22:03] <pureblood> raptop: something something autoidenting IMSI in your phone tied to that same DDSS:VS blockchain from who.int
L180[20:22:41] * raptop is increasingly confused by pureblood's point
L181[20:22:41] <pureblood> raptop: something something lower social credit score for systemically marooning kerbals on far orbits
L182[20:24:33] <pureblood> confused? Don't you know about DDSS? Don't you know about patent MS2020-060606 ?!? If you did, you'd get why I'm now totally opposed to any means of identification
L183[20:24:59] <packbart> but look how happy they are!
L184[20:25:12] <packbart> floating about on distant trajectories
L185[20:25:28] <pureblood> see, packbart got Klaus's point just right
L186[20:27:31] <pureblood> to cite our lord Schwab some more -
L187[20:27:49] <pureblood> Ze pandemic provided an opportunity for a reset. A Great Reset, if you will. A Shemitah. We vill 6uild 6ack 6etter.
L188[20:27:52] <pureblood> In ze fourth industrial revolution you vill not buy or sell wissout ze mark of ze beast.
L189[20:27:55] <pureblood> Ze future of food is cockroaches and suylent.
L190[20:27:58] <pureblood> Ze farmland vill be owned by Gates to eliminate carbon.
L191[20:28:00] <pureblood> Ze overlords vill regulate you to one hamburger's worth of beef a year.
L192[20:28:03] <pureblood> You vill take ze estrogen in your water and soy food.
L193[20:28:05] <pureblood> You vill turn in all semi-auto guns.
L194[20:28:08] <pureblood> You vill wear 6 masks.
L195[20:28:10] *** pureblood was kicked by raptop (pureblood))
L196[20:28:25] *** raptop sets mode: +ric
L197[20:28:37] *** raptop sets mode: -i
L198[20:29:31] <raptop> guess we got a loon
L199[20:29:48] <Mat2ch> I'm not sure what to make of it
L200[20:29:52] <Althego> that came out of nowhere
L201[20:29:55] <Mat2ch> yes
L202[20:30:02] <packbart> stunning :)
L203[20:30:31] <raptop> Mat2ch: us politics is sometimes extremely wacky
L204[20:30:57] <packbart> "Klaus Martin Schwab is a German engineer and economist best known as the founder and executive chairman of the World Economic Forum." - uh-huh. whatevs.
L205[20:31:45] <Mat2ch> but this was unprovoked
L206[20:31:58] <Mat2ch> just of ouf nowhere this stuff
L207[20:32:10] <Althego> my knowledge of economics is from "tooth fairy" (nanowar of steel)
L208[20:32:40] <packbart> or the Ironmonger
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