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L7[00:56:54] <Solar_Oracle> If space is the final frontier, what was the first frontier?
L8[00:57:36] <TwistenX> Earth
L9[00:58:14] <Solar_Oracle> What if you're not a human, huh?
L10[00:59:04] <darsie> The big bang.
L11[00:59:50] <Solar_Oracle> The Planck Epoch, the FIRST frontier.
L12[01:00:08] <raptop> < Solar_Oracle> What if you're not a human, huh?
L13[01:00:18] <raptop> It's the first frontier for the corvids also
L14[01:00:19] <Solar_Oracle> These are the voyages of the unified fundamental forces. It's mission: The boldly go where space-time has never gone before.
L15[01:00:48] <Solar_Oracle> Now if I remember my history correctly, this is also when the Ctan star vampyres first formed.
L16[01:01:19] <raptop> It's probably fine
L17[01:01:34] <raptop> They mostly killed eachother and/or were killed by the necronyyr, right?
L18[01:01:36] <Solar_Oracle> Though, on second thought, I keep confusing my Warhammer 40,000 rulebooks for history books.
L19[01:01:52] <Solar_Oracle> I think the Necrons betrayed them in the new canon. Or was that also true in the old?
L20[01:02:09] <TwistenX> < Solar_Oracle > What if you're not human, huh?
L21[01:02:10] <TwistenX> Who says that other beings don't think our planet is the first place to go?
L22[01:02:10] <Solar_Oracle> Space Tomb Kings are better, anyway.
L23[01:02:50] <Solar_Oracle> Hey now, Star Wars doesn't even have an Earth.
L24[01:03:58] <TwistenX> How do you know? It's still a universe. They never said a different universe, only a long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.
L25[01:04:40] <Solar_Oracle> Obviously humans are the real aliens.
L26[01:04:44] <raptop> star wars physics is, uh, don't think too hard about it
L27[01:05:00] <Solar_Oracle> Star Trek physics is easy: Just reverse the polarity.
L28[01:05:42] <TwistenX> Atmospheric Pressure and Heat in Star Wars be like; ...
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L30[01:07:17] <raptop> Space battles work like old films of WW2 air battles for Reasons
L31[01:07:34] <Solar_Oracle> Well this is one heck of a start: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1768206932538145655/EFCE157A1CE8EEDD3752D86B1D859E783AC0ACBC/
L32[01:07:55] <raptop> ...which suggests that a truely subversive sequel trilogy would make things look more like air (and/or naval) combat with 1960s-80s tech
L33[01:08:17] <Solar_Oracle> I think we all know technology doesn't advance in Star Wars. They hit a brick wall thousands of years ago.
L34[01:09:05] <Solar_Oracle> BattleTech and Elite are among the very few sci-fi franchises I can think of with any real advancements, albeit with the former getting everyone blasted back a hundred years after some mutual thermonuclear exchanges.
L35[01:09:05] <raptop> There's also weird stuff going on from that backwards look (like how there were no helicopter gunships at hoth or endor, but were at geonisis, etc)
L36[01:09:33] <Solar_Oracle> Ehhhh the transport-gunship thing never worked out in real life, either, with the Mi-24s only sparingly carrying crew.
L37[01:10:55] <Solar_Oracle> They got space Higgins boats in The Force Awakens and TIE Fighter escorts.
L38[01:11:42] <TwistenX> I bet at some point Elon Musk is going to try to invent a real-life lightsaber.
L39[01:11:44] <Solar_Oracle> And Rogue One had a transport pressed into a gunship role like the original orbiting gunships of the Vietnam War.
L40[01:12:54] <raptop> nice
L41[01:14:47] <Solar_Oracle> Just install a few guns pointing out one side and you're in business https://i.redd.it/gkya03qsvfqz.jpg
L42[01:16:18] <raptop> hah
L43[01:20:10] <Solar_Oracle> BattleTech's, uh, tech advances significantly enough it becomes a problem in some of the video game adaptations.
L44[01:20:49] <Solar_Oracle> Like in MechWarrior 4 and Online, there's simply no reason to use anything other than ClanTech and FedCom Civil War era tech unless you can't afford it.
L45[01:22:33] <Solar_Oracle> Especially when you get those sweet, sweet double heat sinks.
L46[01:24:19] * raptop isn't sure of a situation where you'd ever want to use single heat sinks with clan tech
L47[01:25:55] <TwistenX> We should make a Death Star and gun down all the potentially dangerous Near-Earth objects.
L48[01:26:16] <Solar_Oracle> When your 'Mech is deep within Inner Sphere territory and you just suffered a critical that resulted in the loss of your heat sinks?
L49[01:26:50] <Solar_Oracle> Though if you are using ClanTech, you're probably a dirty Clanner anyway and should be vaporized.
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L51[01:28:28] <Solar_Oracle> I had family in Rasalhague!
L52[01:28:45] <TwistenX> Sucks to be you then
L53[01:29:40] <Solar_Oracle> Iknowrite.
L54[01:30:06] <Solar_Oracle> Stupid Mary Sue Clans.
L55[01:31:39] <raptop> huh, that's a weird star system
L56[01:32:02] <TwistenX> BTW what game are you guys talking about
L57[01:32:09] <raptop> A5III + K6V in a highly eccentric orbit
L58[01:32:39] <raptop> BattleTech / the various MechWarrior games
L59[01:33:35] <Solar_Oracle> BattleTech is bestest Tech
L60[01:35:06] <TwistenX> oh
L61[01:35:33] <raptop> To be fair, I'd make a lousy clanner. Too much wanting to use all that fancy range instead of charging in...
L62[01:37:51] <TwistenX> It's always confused me on how Star Wars ships can just move forwards before going upwards when launching from a planet/moon.
L63[01:45:22] <Solar_Oracle> @raptop You could always just become an Elemental and use THE CLAW
L64[01:45:45] <raptop> stabbity?
L65[01:45:51] <raptop> stabbity!
L66[01:47:42] <Solar_Oracle> Can't find it, but there used to be an image of Clan Elementals ripping armor off a 'Mech.
L67[01:48:12] <Solar_Oracle> So here's Elementals riding a Nova Cat instead. I'm assuming it overheated and shut down after this image was taken https://imgur.com/sQ2KvQQ
L68[01:48:53] <raptop> hah
L69[01:49:35] <Solar_Oracle> You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
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L71[01:49:48] <TwistenX> The color design reminds me of a Sega Genesis Cartridge Cover.
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L73[01:50:34] <raptop> It's possible that the image is from that approximate era
L74[01:50:36] <Solar_Oracle> That'd be virtually all the BattleTech franchise art at one point
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L77[01:53:47] <Solar_Oracle> https://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/7/7d/BattleTech_Master_Rules%2C_Revised.jpg
L78[01:53:53] <Solar_Oracle> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/917mOkmAn8L.jpg
L79[01:54:49] <TwistenX> How old is BattleTech/MechWarrior?
L80[01:55:40] <raptop> The tabletop game started in the mid 1980s
L81[01:56:58] <Solar_Oracle> Started in 1984 and surprisingly still existing.
L82[01:58:20] <Solar_Oracle> The development of the titular 2018 turn-based video game was even led by one of the original creators of the franchise, Jordan Weisman.
L83[01:58:46] <packbart> heh, Scott Manley, astronaut killer. "Every time I saw a way to save everyone, I made a suggestion on how to avoid it"
L84[02:00:05] <Solar_Oracle> Just like Commander Shepard, you can't save everyone.
L85[02:00:37] <raptop> packbart: hah, so the inverse of the sorts of consulting that was done for The Martian?
L86[02:02:00] <packbart> ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hic0mz3_U4c )
L87[02:02:48] <Solar_Oracle> Still more plausible than Gravity.
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L89[02:03:17] <packbart> well, they probably could have saved everyone if they did have redundant life support systems
L90[02:03:32] <Solar_Oracle> Or could repair them Apollo 13 style.
L91[02:04:03] <Solar_Oracle> I mean, the ship that docked with the Cycler would surely have some of its own contingencies.
L92[02:08:13] <Solar_Oracle> I should really get into this Stellaris game.
L93[02:08:21] <Solar_Oracle> But now I'm stuck thinking about moar BattleTech
L94[02:08:41] <raptop> oops
L95[02:11:40] <Solar_Oracle> I'm going to turn the whole ironman game into a gigantic AAR, complete with movie posters.
L96[02:13:03] <Solar_Oracle> The real twist being that all civilizations, including the one I'm using, are randomly generated.
L97[02:16:42] <darsie> I'm supposed to bring a Mun stone back to Kerbin, and I found a real one which I don't just walk through, but I'm not sure if taking a surface sample will do the trick: https://i.postimg.cc/y1ywcKGK/screenshot503.png
L98[02:17:23] <packbart> Pickup Mun Stone
L99[02:17:42] <darsie> That's the contract: https://i.postimg.cc/6wHPXMJM/screenshot499.png
L100[02:18:12] <packbart> yeah, it wants you to click the second option from the top in the PAW
L101[02:18:35] <darsie> Ohh, found it.
L102[02:18:39] <darsie> thx
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L105[02:25:57] <a_flayer> i think i'm going to build a new PC for KSP2
L106[02:26:56] <Solar_Oracle> You'll probably have a while to wait.
L107[02:27:09] <a_flayer> i'm planning on 2 years from now
L108[02:29:36] <TwistenX> Did you hear that KSP is getting it's final update?
L109[02:29:44] <a_flayer> yeah
L110[02:30:11] <TwistenX> It's kinda sad
L111[02:31:25] <a_flayer> it's for the best
L112[02:35:13] <raptop> stock KAC @_@
L113[02:35:34] <a_flayer> the KSP1 engine is fundamentally flawed
L114[02:36:31] <a_flayer> they've gotten everything they could get out of that
L115[02:39:35] <TwistenX> At least now more work is being focused into KSP2
L116[02:40:20] <TwistenX> More things will get done faster.
L117[02:46:06] <Solar_Oracle> KSP 2's a different team altogether, no?
L118[02:47:30] <packbart> half and half. "Squad’s efforts will now shift towards joining Intercept Games in the development of Kerbal Space Program 2."
L119[02:47:38] <TwistenX> I think so, at least that's what I thought I heard ShadowZone say.
L120[02:47:52] <TwistenX> So, it's multiple teams now
L121[02:48:14] <Solar_Oracle> Let's see if it gets an Elite Dangerous Odyssey-level launch or a Cyberpunk level launch.
L122[02:49:14] <packbart> to be fair, Odyssey is playable
L123[02:50:23] <TwistenX> Is there a way to see what your Sentinel Telescope is looking at?
L124[02:50:47] <Solar_Oracle> Cyberpunk also got mostly fixed.
L125[02:52:46] <packbart> TwistenX: does it look at anything? I thought it just makes asteroids appear in the tracking station
L126[02:53:32] <TwistenX> It says that it "uses infrared light to detect celestial bodies such as asteroids that pose a risk to Kerbin."
L127[02:54:46] <TwistenX> Is there even a way to make an actual telescope in KSP?
L128[02:55:34] <packbart> there's a mod for that or two
L129[02:55:47] <TwistenX> I can't get mods, I play on console.
L130[02:56:11] <packbart> in that case, no, I don't know any way
L131[02:57:53] <TwistenX> That's one of the two things I dislike about KSP Console. You get updates later than PC players, and you can't get any mods.
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L134[03:06:48] <TwistenX> How do you set stages to your "abort" command?
L135[03:07:35] <Althego> as you put anything in a group
L136[03:08:19] <TwistenX> yeah but how do you set it to activate specifically when you press "abort"
L137[03:08:40] <Althego> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Action_group
L138[03:08:57] <TwistenX> ohhh ok
L139[03:38:43] <Solar_Oracle> Brownie points for whoever corrected guesses what movie this is riffing on https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1768206932538660774/2ED0C9A7F552F559023CF00831855F87D21EFDBC/
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L143[04:09:17] <TwistenX> p
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L145[04:25:12] <Althego> somehow i always forget about event horizon until the weekened
L146[04:26:18] <Althego> about current space race
L147[04:41:20] <Althego> what the what is this? win updated yesterday before i went to bed. and i notice some weather - news app thingie on the taskabr. in fahrenheit
L148[04:41:23] <Althego> cant even change it
L149[04:41:26] <Althego> cant remove it
L150[04:41:32] <Althego> iu never asked for this
L151[04:41:45] <XXCoder> biden just approved everything nasa asked
L152[04:42:21] <XXCoder> akt thats why i stopped using windows few years ago
L153[04:42:26] <Althego> hah managed to hide it
L154[04:42:37] <Althego> but cant change the temperature readout
L155[04:43:15] <packbart> Althego: you can remove it. right-clickt on the taskbar, "news and interests" -> "turn off"
L156[04:43:22] <Althego> yes i found that
L157[04:43:23] <packbart> I got that, too
L158[04:43:46] <Althego> but one would thing it is in its settings or the right click menu changes to its specific settings
L159[04:43:52] <packbart> mine was showing in °C
L160[04:43:59] <XXCoder> usually microsoft is good on global but F thing is weird
L161[04:44:06] <Althego> i even change the location in it, still was in f
L162[04:44:06] <packbart> yeah, I was looking at taskbar settings at first
L163[04:44:47] <Althego> and supposedly there will be some windows announcement from ms
L164[04:45:06] <Althego> i sure hope not some kind of enforced subscription, because then i am out
L165[04:51:23] <Althego> yes, i found flat earth content
L166[05:00:23] <Solar_Oracle> TEACH THE CONTROVERSY
L167[05:00:30] <Althego> that is creationism
L168[05:01:12] <Althego> but before i get to flat earth there is still 2.5 / 2 hours of kiara left from yesterday
L169[05:01:53] <Solar_Oracle> You were saying? https://amorphia-apparel.com/storage/images/flatearth/flatearth.1300x700.png?0b0eb676c8812c1f479f4a20a46cbce7
L170[05:02:07] <Althego> lol
L171[05:02:55] <Solar_Oracle> More recently, I've also seen full out germ theory denial.
L172[05:03:21] <umaxtu> I'm not happy with microsoft at the moment, I had to reload windows last night to get windows update to work again
L173[05:03:37] <Althego> i feel we are always just right next to the crumble of civilizatin
L174[05:03:44] <Solar_Oracle> To the extent that they denied that any disease has ever been transmitted from one person to another, which is a concept that precedes germ theory itself.
L175[05:04:45] <Solar_Oracle> Oh no, civilization will only collapse when the wi-fi is turned off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoR2QvWSa5A
L176[05:05:05] <umaxtu> I still haven't watched that movie
L177[05:05:20] <Althego> hehe
L178[05:06:48] <Solar_Oracle> Here's why you should watch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSScZ8P3gnA
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L187[08:06:55] * Mat2ch pats his penguin OS
L188[08:07:05] <Mat2ch> not installing weird weather apps since forever. :P
L189[08:38:58] <Althego> it took them 6 years to get rid of flash
L190[08:39:11] <Althego> i didnt have flash any of my computers for years before that
L191[08:39:36] <Althego> i think that was way bigger atrocity
L192[08:42:00] <Mat2ch> Made fun of flash every new year day that it's 20XX and people still use flash
L193[08:42:21] <Mat2ch> I was a bit sad, but also happy, when I couldn't do that anymore.
L194[08:43:50] <Althego> hehe sandy munro and the mach-e thermal system
L195[08:44:12] <Mat2ch> Good or bad thing?
L196[08:44:35] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1dQtlrI7uU&t=72s
L197[08:44:46] <Althego> get the octovalve!
L198[08:45:35] <Althego> anyway it is unnecessarily complicated
L199[08:46:26] <Althego> also mach-e, stilly name. i hear it as maquis (star trek)
L200[08:48:20] <Mat2ch> lol
L201[08:48:40] <Mat2ch> Munro now doing slapstick :D
L202[08:48:58] <Althego> that let's get this out and then drops it
L203[08:49:12] <Althego> also the mystery parts in the car that have scrap if dropped on them
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L205[08:54:36] <Mat2ch> yeah
L206[08:54:45] <Mat2ch> so, lets drop them and open them up. :D
L207[09:19:13] <Althego> oh there was a wintergatan video 1 hours ago
L208[09:19:15] <Althego> 11
L209[09:26:01] <Althego> but there is still zombie, i just forgot to say zombanwa
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L211[09:47:42] <Althego> mmx is coming along incely
L212[09:48:16] <a_flayer> incel-y?
L213[09:48:58] <darsie> .
L214[10:03:23] <Althego> nicely
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L217[10:15:37] <Mat2ch> Althego: the Mach-E seems to be rushed. Had to be ready to sell. Like if someone just didn't take electric cars seriously.
L218[10:23:26] <Althego> hehe
L219[10:23:35] <Althego> the whole car industry
L220[10:23:48] <Althego> i dont know why oil is so afraid
L221[10:23:55] <Althego> cars just take a small portion of fuel
L222[10:24:04] <Althego> ships and planes take more
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L224[10:26:05] <XXCoder> dunno i find that kinda questionable
L225[10:26:10] <XXCoder> theres many boats and planes
L226[10:26:17] <XXCoder> but theres thousand times more cars
L227[10:28:56] <a_flayer> oil products are used for a wide variety of things
L228[10:29:16] <a_flayer> not just personal cars, but also trucks and so forth - that's not going to be replaced with electric for a while
L229[10:29:31] <XXCoder> oil for lube and such will never stop
L230[10:29:33] <XXCoder> nor plastics
L231[10:29:52] <XXCoder> theres discovery on how to turn algae to crude oil, same stuff they pump up
L232[10:29:56] <a_flayer> i mean, there's also an effort to reduce usage/dependency on plastic
L233[10:29:58] <XXCoder> but its small scale only for now
L234[10:30:45] <a_flayer> but yeah, oil from ancient plants needs to be less important in our lives
L235[10:31:14] <XXCoder> yeah though we will be able to create some because its very diffult to do some things, like lubes
L236[10:31:55] <a_flayer> there's a lot of oil out there still
L237[10:32:11] <a_flayer> we can keep using it for a long time for some products if we stop using it for others
L238[10:32:35] <Althego> yes there is plastics too
L239[10:32:36] <a_flayer> kind of like how we should stop using natural diamonds for jewelry
L240[10:32:55] <a_flayer> and gold for currency
L241[10:33:12] <Althego> btw oil may be one of the rarest materials in the universe, since you need life for it
L242[10:33:25] <a_flayer> mhm
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L248[11:37:10] <Althego> (local) leet time
L249[11:39:21] <darsie> .
L250[11:43:24] <Althego> lol louis. paul has a miku on his desk
L251[11:43:37] <Althego> (just as me)
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L256[14:14:37] <Althego> there was a guh about 15 minutes ago
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L263[16:25:54] <Althego> what? they want to auction the test pilot seat? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUcQmETFmds
L264[16:26:50] <Althego> because simply selling tickets for it wasnt goodenough
L265[16:27:16] <darsie> How much is shipping to Austria?
L266[16:28:34] <darsie> The winning bidder will fly to space on New Shepard’s first human flight on July 20th and will join Blue Origin founder, Jeff Bezos, and his brother Mark.
L267[16:28:57] <darsie> The bid is on a space flight, too.
L268[16:29:11] <Althego> at least they go up to 100 km
L269[16:50:09] <Althego> heh starts at 4-8 million dollars
L270[16:50:13] <Althego> 4.8
L271[16:50:35] <Althego> for a suborbital
L272[16:50:53] <Althego> highly overpriced
L273[16:57:32] <packbart> wait until they find oil on Mars. funding expeditions will become easy ;)
L274[16:57:38] <Althego> lol
L275[16:57:46] <Althego> i doubt there is oil on mars
L276[16:58:24] <Althego> but if they find chinese on mars, there will be no need for funding, it is just going to happen :)
L277[17:04:08] <Althego> 15 million. if they go up to 55 they cvould have just chosen spacex
L278[17:07:26] <Althego> 28 at the moment
L279[17:08:05] <Althego> sold
L280[17:08:17] <Althego> if you have that amount of money, you can just choose spacex
L281[17:33:42] <darsie> and orbit
L282[17:34:08] <Althego> exactly
L283[17:34:10] <Althego> days in orbit
L284[17:34:30] <darsie> Is there a toilet in DRagon?
L285[17:35:39] <darsie> I don't think so.
L286[17:36:27] <darsie> The Apollo astronauts didn't enjoy pooping in bags and kneading in the sterilizing agent.
L287[17:37:48] <darsie> Fasting for a few days is an option.
L288[17:41:11] <Althego> there is
L289[17:41:14] <Althego> on the roof
L290[17:41:28] <darsie> ahh
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L292[17:50:52] <Althego> i sure hope it doesnt open in case of a botched landing :)
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L294[17:53:15] <darsie> :)
L295[17:53:23] <darsie> That's probably the least of your worries, though.
L296[17:54:09] <darsie> Hmm, maybe 2 chutes failing and you come down hard without an angle ...
L297[17:54:22] <darsie> But the chutes attach all to the same point, I think.
L298[17:58:05] <Althego> hehe that reminds me of a joke. old farmer goes on an airplane ride. the pilot does all kinds of acrobatic maneuvers. the old guy just says a few word during the flight. i thought so. i thought so. i didnt think that. after they land the pilot asks what these were. i though i was going to wet myself, i thought i was going to crap in my pants, but i didnt think all of that would fall onto my head
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L300[18:04:55] <JVFoxy> Althego I think someone wasn't piloting properly if it ended up on his head. Musta been pulling some negatives there
L301[18:05:14] <Althego> yes i was thinking about that too
L302[18:07:23] <JVFoxy> also.. kind of plane matters, open cockpit might have been better. let it fall on someone else instead of your own face
L303[18:07:40] <Althego> it is just a joke
L304[18:07:57] <JVFoxy> oh, I know
L305[18:08:18] <JVFoxy> besides, who'd use a toilet as an airplane seat anyways?:P
L306[18:08:24] <darsie> Hmm, idk if I tried aerobatics in the Cessna 172 in flightgear.
L307[18:10:34] * raptop suspects that the joke is from the 1920s, and implies barnstorming in a biplane
L308[18:11:04] <JVFoxy> in air cadets, took a flight in a Cessna. They pulled a bit of a nose dive stunt suddenly to startle the one student. Thinking back now, probably not the wisest of moves
L309[18:11:15] <Althego> at least from the 70s, or may be older
L310[18:11:16] <raptop> Anyway, WW1 is now closer to the Napoleonic wars than the present
L311[18:11:44] <packbart> "no new content in decades!1"
L312[18:13:02] <JVFoxy> uh.. what was that saying? 'War doesn't change...'
L313[18:13:17] <JVFoxy> not exactly sure on how 'true' that is
L314[18:13:22] <Althego> war never changes?
L315[18:13:26] <raptop> [Fallout Narrator Voice] "War. War never changes."
L316[18:14:19] <packbart> I did like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forever_War though
L317[18:15:34] <raptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG3uBgQmTnk&t=110s
L318[18:16:54] <raptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RIfDYdzNIk&t=185s
L319[18:18:06] <JVFoxy> Althego oh right.. lol, shows how much I actually got into fallout. :\
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