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L16[03:00:14] <JVFoxy> wee.. getting back
into the game. Go to VAB, looking through things. Wait.. didn't I
unlock RCS? Then realizing, derp, I need a base part first before
its available. >_<
L17[03:01:32] <umaxtu> been there. done
that
L18[03:02:23] <JVFoxy> at least this time,
not gone for a month. Come back to find new version out and tons
more things gone haywire
L19[03:07:50] <JVFoxy> messing about with
rocket planes.. only they lack much in the way of 'wings'
L20[03:10:19] <umaxtu> theres a mod that
adds the VentureStar
L21[03:15:44] <JVFoxy> seen people do
version with stock parts
L22[03:16:00] <JVFoxy> thanks but I'm
good.. more just a flying tube in this case, messing around
L23[03:19:38] <Izaya> with enough thrust,
you don't need lift
L24[03:22:09] <JVFoxy> fast enough, even a
brick can fly
L25[03:22:26] *
umaxtu looks at the shuttle
L26[03:26:12] <JVFoxy> has wings... it does
glide, not very well but its still better thank a brick
L27[03:40:11] <raptop> So M2-F2 and friends
are the real bricks?
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L30[03:44:19] <JVFoxy> nah.. not square
enough
L31[03:45:33] <JVFoxy> I recall, they had
more an issue with cyclic body roll oscillations.
L32[03:48:14] <JVFoxy> they did look cool
though
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L34[04:02:42] <Izaya> the shuttle can glide
much better than the original designs
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L44[04:46:12] <raptop> MMH fuel...
L45[04:46:20] *
raptop rolls hazard diamond yahtzee
L46[04:55:33] <Althego> looks like high
twr
L47[04:57:21] <Althego> and they replaced
the potato cameras with real ones
L48[05:24:36] <Althego> oh no a calli and a
kiara stream at the same time
L49[05:30:46] <Althego> wait a sec, the
parker soalr probe can see through the clouds of venus?
L50[05:33:23] <Althego> there is also a
scott video
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L52[05:38:17] <Althego> what is that on
scott's shirt?
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L54[06:38:18] <raptop> What I'm getting
from this is that we need a vtuber who does space science
L55[06:38:53] <Althego> there is already a
moth
L56[06:38:56] <Althego> isnt that
enough?
L57[06:39:42] <Althego> but what is on
scott's shirt? (i know, letters, what do they mean?)
L58[06:41:17] <raptop> ...a moth?
L59[06:43:01] *
raptop has no idea what's going on with the shirt
L60[06:43:34] <raptop> Hm, the bunny that
does warcrimes is streaming
L61[06:44:07] <Althego> still have to catch
up on louis rossmann
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L65[07:56:44] <raptop> ;mission add You
submit a pull request so as to patch your conics.
L66[07:56:44] <LunchBot> raptop: Added
mission: You submit a pull request so as to patch your
conics.
L67[07:56:58] <Althego> hehe
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L71[09:38:21] <flayer> 35 days of snacks,
11 days to get to minmus, should leave me with a week of minmus
exploration before i have to get back
L72[09:38:35] <Althego> 11 days to
minmus?
L73[09:38:41] <Althego> what are you
doing?
L74[09:38:51] <Althego> going to solar
orbit first?
L75[09:38:55] <flayer> saving fuel
L76[09:41:22] <Althego> doing it in 2 days
is ok
L77[09:41:36] <flayer> just burn directly
towards it?
L78[09:41:37] <Althego> can go lower but
that really starts to get harder
L79[09:42:00] <Althego> not directly, but
it is an scape trajectory from kerbin
L80[09:42:05] <Althego> escape
L81[09:42:09] <flayer> yeah, that's too
much fuel
L82[09:42:13] <flayer> cause you gotta slow
down again too
L83[09:42:20] <Althego> yes
L84[09:42:44] <flayer> i'm not even burning
to adjust the inclination
L85[09:43:05] <flayer> i want enough fuel
for the lander to visit all the biomes
L86[09:45:37] <Althego> it looks like it
fit into the 140t limit for me
L87[09:45:45] <Althego> although the lander
is on a single nuke
L88[09:45:56] <Althego> ang going to burrn
some of its fuel to slow down
L89[09:47:00] <flayer> err
L90[09:47:17] <flayer> my trajectory has an
encounter with minmus in 11 days
L91[09:47:24] <flayer> a second encounter
in 3 years and 131 days
L92[09:47:59] <flayer> which is odd because
the apoapsis before that encounter (on the green dotted line) is 50
days from now
L93[09:48:18] <flayer> so, somewhere
between that point and the second minmus encounter there's 3 years
of floating in space lol
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L99[11:18:44] <Althego> fthey are finally
going out
L100[11:28:32] <Mat2ch> the candles?
L101[11:28:53] <Mat2ch> too much water
content for candles.
L102[11:29:10] <Althego> no people going
out from the airlock
L103[11:32:29] <Mat2ch> not candles. I
see
L104[11:35:50] <Althego> what, starlink 17
in 14 hours? is it finally going to launch?
L105[11:39:18] <Mat2ch> well, first have a
look at the weather. :D
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L110[12:48:23] <flayer> *upgrades mission
control to accept more contracts*
L111[12:48:38] <Althego> yes, contracts
are the first i max out
L112[12:49:12] <darsie> If your run out of
money, you can accept a bunch of contracts for the advance.
L113[12:49:45] <flayer> indeed, and i ran
out of money just after i upgraded mission control
L114[12:49:52] <flayer> but the problem
was quickly solved!
L115[12:50:28] <darsie> IIRC in a 'normal'
game your balance can't go negative, so you can cancel the
contracts without much loss.
L116[12:50:46] <darsie> If you spent the
money.
L117[12:51:02] <flayer> but the reputation
loss is forever
L118[12:53:15] *
flayer launches from the desert for a polar mun
landing
L119[12:53:36] <darsie> How?
L120[12:54:09] <darsie> DLC? Mods?
L121[12:54:16] <flayer> DLC
L122[12:54:42] <Althego> just normally.
the dessert launch site
L123[12:54:53] <darsie> dessert lunch
site
L124[12:55:02] <darsie> Be consistent
;)
L125[12:55:28] <flayer> normally i don't
buy a lot of DLCs because its hard to justify the money. but i
spent such a ridiculous amount of hours playing KSP for years, I
was looking for ways to give squad more money for it lol
L126[12:55:40] <darsie> :)
L127[12:56:03] <FLHerne> What does
reputation actually do?
L128[12:56:22] <darsie> I could afford
DLC, but I don't like to pay for it.
L129[12:56:29] <flayer> i think it
influences the contracts you can receive
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L131[12:56:34] <darsie> flayer: I think it
gives you harder contracts.
L132[12:56:48] <flayer> it does
~something~ related to contracts
L133[12:57:17] <Althego> my guess you get
higher "star" contracts
L134[12:57:49] <darsie> Escape the
atmosphere is ***.
L135[12:58:09] <Althego> but that is
fixed, i mean hardcoded, not generated
L136[12:59:46] <Althego> the site is in
the desert. but it is called dessert launch site
L137[12:59:59] <darsie> rly? HMM
L138[13:00:02] <darsie> hmm*
L139[13:00:09] <Althego> i never noticed
it until somebody pointed out to me
L140[13:00:14] <darsie> egg
L141[13:00:54] <darsie> Escape the
atmosphere is **.
L142[13:01:06] <Althego> then orbit is
3
L143[13:01:06] <darsie> Orbit Kerbin is
***.
L144[13:01:09] <darsie> mhm
L145[13:01:57] <FLHerne> darsie: I'd be
unhappy about paying for DLC if Squad has stopped adding stuff to
the base game
L146[13:02:16] <FLHerne> Or made modding
more awkward to force you to get paid extensions
L147[13:02:58] <FLHerne> As it is, there
are plenty of other mods that add parts and game mechanics, so
paying for the Squad ones is basically an optional donation
L148[13:08:12] *
darsie couldn't 'launch our first vessle' by bouncing the pod with
its RWs.
L149[13:10:21] <darsie> Usually works for
getting 'science from space near x'.
L150[14:14:59] <Althego> up to two
parallel streams, 3rd one starting soon
L151[14:15:55] <packbart> what's coming
up? I just watch someone playing XCOM 2
L152[14:17:14] <Althego> there is an iss
spacewalk, calli is on and kiara just started
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L165[15:54:37] <flayer> i have 3 pilots, 5
scientists, but only 1 engineer
L166[15:54:47] <Althego> good
L167[15:55:19] <Althego> i had to change 2
to scientists, because i had only 2 from 11
L168[15:59:57] <flayer> i'm going to
launch my first station science/research lab soon
L169[16:00:12] <flayer> needs a minimum of
3 scientists for optimal use
L170[16:00:51] <flayer> then a mission to
duna
L171[16:01:00] <flayer> which needs one
scientist as well
L172[16:01:05] <Althego> i never get to
the mission to duna in career
L173[16:01:14] <Althego> because i finish
the tree way before that
L174[16:01:31] <flayer> i've modded the
science multiplier for planets to a flat 1
L175[16:01:41] <flayer> the mun alone
won't be enough
L176[16:02:53] <flayer> i've got a pretty
low tech science mission designed for duna
L177[16:03:06] <Althego> i can go there
with pretty much anything :)
L178[16:03:24] <flayer> but i have yet to
unlock the parts - i need about 500 science from my minmus
mission.
L179[16:03:53] <flayer> i think i get
about 40-60 science per biome depending on how many experiments are
possible
L180[16:07:04] <Althego> somehow i like
the smaller simpler parts
L181[16:07:26] <Althego> so i use them
whenever i can
L182[16:07:35] *
darsie built a 5 stage orbital rocket. 4x Hammer, 1x
Flea.
L183[16:07:45] <Althego> hehe
L184[16:07:51] <darsie> Solid only
L185[16:07:56] <Althego> how did it come
down?
L186[16:08:14] <darsie> not :)
L187[16:08:18] <darsie> 3857 VF
L188[16:08:49] <darsie> Not sure if I
could buy EVA.
L189[16:09:21] <Althego> it would be nice
if solids had a stop function. in real life there was such a thing
for missiles. they basically disintegrated the rocket and and all
the fuel burned out harmlessly without thrust
L190[16:09:27] <Althego> i learned this
from scott
L191[16:11:20] <darsie> LF SSTO costs 4857
VF.
L192[16:13:25] <flayer> but before i
collect science from minmus... *rescues two more kerbals and does
two tourist missions to the mun as the minmus mission is
enroute*
L193[16:13:50] <flayer> gotta fill those
coffers before i can send my 4x200k duna mission
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L195[16:24:02] <darsie> 81x590 km 5 stage
solid
L196[16:28:41] <darsie> Hmm, let's see how
much decoupling decreases Ap.
L197[16:29:37] <darsie> 79.6
L198[16:30:46] <darsie> Yeah, more than
enough money to buy EVA. Could jetpack deorbit, or push the
capsule.
L199[16:31:21] <JVFoxy> remember back in
the day when radial decouplers would cause huge amounts of drag and
slam boosters into the core states if you not up out of the atmos
far enough. :\
L200[16:32:06] <Althego> hehe
L201[16:32:20] <darsie> Must have been
before my KSP days.
L202[16:32:30] <Althego> which versin was
this?
L203[16:34:13] <flayer> that still happens
to me sometimes
L204[16:34:23] <flayer> you have just
gotten better at designing rockets JVFoxy
L205[16:36:24] <JVFoxy> flayer usually my
second launch from career I can hit 70km orbit no problem. Read:
launch, not science while landed
L206[16:37:12] <JVFoxy> ground science
from launchpad, runway. quick up into the air to hit some science,
then gives me enough to build two stager to orbit
L207[16:37:37] <Althego> i usually roll to
the side of runway and to the crawlerway for more science
L208[16:38:04] <JVFoxy> ya but sometimes
it doesn't think you've even left the runway in some cases
L209[16:38:11] <Althego> and with the dlc
i can collect more science from other biomes (grasslands,
highlands, desert)
L210[16:39:30] <JVFoxy> just remembering
back when someone said the radial decouplers had a problem with
their code. Infinite drag or something? Instead of the stages
getting pushed away, everything would instantly explode
L211[17:15:35] <umaxtu> that reminds me, I
need to figure out how to best use the scanning arm
L212[17:16:33] <JVFoxy> been flipping back
and forth on getting both DLC...
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L215[17:40:11] <flayer> umaxtu, stick it
on a rover
L216[17:40:34] <Althego> technically a
lander is good too if you are precise enough
L217[17:40:52] <Althego> once i did it on
minmus, but even there it was a pain
L219[17:41:13] <Althego> hehe
L220[17:41:21] <FLHerne> I can't see what
the picture on the round bit is
L221[17:41:24] <Althego> these must be
part of a secret message :)
L222[17:41:27] <FLHerne> chicken?
L223[17:41:59] <Althego> may be a
rooster
L224[17:47:13] <JVFoxy> round part?
L225[17:48:10] <Althego> on the top thick
pipe there is a picture
L226[17:48:26] <Althego> and a bit towards
the center and lower there is a text
L227[17:48:30] <Althego> at least for the
last 3
L228[17:51:32] <JVFoxy> ah ya.. toon
rooster
L229[17:51:50] <JVFoxy> thunder
chicken
L230[17:54:34] <JVFoxy> Althego as for
text a bit center and lower. eh?
L231[17:55:02] <Althego> if you look at
the engine from an other direction the pipe is to the left, the
text is in the xcenter
L232[17:55:10] <Althego> in this case wen
hop? much wow
L233[17:55:42] <JVFoxy> oh on the
box
L234[17:55:59] <Althego> the previous two
had a box there too
L235[17:56:09] <Althego> hiding or
protecting something?
L236[17:57:13] <JVFoxy> either its parts
box, or there to support the flex pipes before they get connected
up into the underside
L237[17:58:00] <Althego> the spacewalk is
ending
L238[17:58:36] <JVFoxy> certainly a lot of
plumbing though
L239[18:00:36] <FLHerne> JVFoxy: Believe
it or not, this is a lot less plumbing than the early ones :p
L240[18:00:55] <FLHerne> Those had the
little sample? pipes *everywhere*
L241[18:12:03] <JVFoxy> data sensors
L242[18:13:17] <JVFoxy> engine regulating
and control Although, I suspect some could be to do with engine
shutdown and restart too
L243[18:15:09] <FLHerne> Yeah
L244[18:16:21] <FLHerne> Up to
SN20-something? had a separate sensor pipe for pretty much every
bit of plumbing on the engine
L245[18:16:31] <FLHerne> You could barely
see anything else underneath
L246[18:16:48] <Althego> didnt they start
to dismantle some higher numbers too?
L247[18:16:55] <Althego> from the
ships?
L248[18:16:55] <FLHerne> Presumably
they've learned which areas actually need measurements now
L249[18:17:09] <FLHerne> Althego: Talking
engine SNs, not ships
L250[18:17:29] <JVFoxy> ever figured out
what was causing their fuel starvation issues on the 'belly
flop'?
L251[18:17:29] <FLHerne> Ship-wise,
they've dismantled SN5/6 and 12
L252[18:17:49] <FLHerne> (12 was never
fully assembled in the first place)
L253[18:18:01] <FLHerne> 13 and 14 had a
few bits and are skipped
L254[18:18:09] <JVFoxy> I've a funny
feeling flipping something over that fast is bound to mess with
internals a bit
L255[18:18:36] <Althego> maybe but not
unreasonable loads
L256[18:19:05] <FLHerne> JVFoxy: "low
pressure in header tank", with a temporary mod on SN9 being
high-pressure helium tanks
L257[18:19:39] <Althego> i wonder how they
are going to solve that
L258[18:19:43] <FLHerne> Ullage collapse
was an interesting speculation
L259[18:20:02] <JVFoxy> they didn't have
any N2 pressure on those headers before?
L260[18:20:12] <JVFoxy> .. er helium.
whatever
L261[18:20:16] <Althego> it is designed to
be self pressurizing
L262[18:20:17] <FLHerne> (when you slosh
liquid around, it cools and condenses the ullage gas, which then
drops the pressure dramatically)
L263[18:20:33] <JVFoxy> ok so ... wasn't
happening fast enough then
L264[18:21:12] <Althego> everybody is
laughing about flat earthers saying the perseverance landing is
fake
L265[18:21:26] <JVFoxy> I guess, tank
within a tank, then having to figure out thermal dynamics between
things can be a little tricky
L266[18:22:09] <JVFoxy> Althego Ya..was
wondering about that. At least one 'fake landing' video made it
through friend's youtube recommend
L267[18:22:21] <Althego> they did that
with curiosity too
L268[18:22:27] <Althego> but this time it
made videos
L269[18:22:43] <Althego> cant really say
CGI (i always hear it as creaky blinder says it)
L270[18:23:42] <JVFoxy> ... had someone I
know personally once said, 'all pictures from space are done with a
fisheye lens'
L271[18:23:57] <Althego> may. not
all
L272[18:23:59] <Althego> many
L273[18:24:11] <JVFoxy> something about
how it fakes the curve of the earth
L274[18:24:15] <Althego> but even if it
was all, you can know wat curvature it adds
L275[18:24:31] <Althego> under the center
and any curvature is lessened
L276[18:24:38] <Althego> so if there is
still curve...
L277[18:25:29] <flayer> i'm having
broccoli+cheese and baked potato slices for dinner
L278[18:25:36] <Althego> !lunch
L279[18:25:40] <Althego> .lunch
L280[18:25:43] <Althego> what was it
L281[18:26:21] <JVFoxy> eh well... I know
space is a thing. Just a little sad I didn't get a chance to take
that career path in life
L282[18:26:35] <Althego> very few
can
L283[18:26:40] <Althego> at keast
today
L284[18:28:42] <JVFoxy> think partly cuz
of being Canadian, and parents being a little paranoid about me
getting into 'dangerous work'
L285[18:28:55] <flayer> nothing dangerous
about building satellites
L286[18:29:03] <Althego> not too dangerous
since the shuttle stopped :)
L287[18:29:17] <raptop> Depends on the
satellite
L288[18:29:21] <JVFoxy> I once asked dad
about being an astronaut back in the early shuttle days. Response
was: only the Americans get to be that
L289[18:29:26] <raptop> (don't fill the
hydrazine tanks)
L290[18:29:31] <flayer> when is the last
time someone died engineering a rocket?
L291[18:29:31] <raptop> uh
L292[18:29:39] <Althego> dont empty the
hydrazine tanks :)
L293[18:30:14] <Althego> dont play in the
hydrazine pool, children
L294[18:30:27] *
raptop is pretty sure that there have been Canadian astronauts
before Chris Hadfield
L295[18:31:08] <Althego> apparently
two
L296[18:31:32] <Althego> oih even
moere
L297[18:31:51] <JVFoxy> there's been a lot
of us Canadians, even our own CSA. But I'm talk'n back in the
80s
L298[18:33:02] <JVFoxy> think back then,
we did quite a lot of work on satellite related proejcts
L299[18:46:01] <JVFoxy> two ships near
each other.. what to do...
L300[18:46:07] <JVFoxy> could land in teh
dark but eh..
L301[18:53:45] <JVFoxy> wow.. not too far
from the center
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L303[19:06:18] <Althego> !road
L304[19:06:33] <Althego> what
L305[19:06:46] <Althego> am i
invisible
L306[19:07:19] <Althego> anyway it may as
well hop on monday
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L308[19:07:53] <Althego> no,
thunderstorms
L309[19:08:09] <Althego> maybe tuesday ot
wednesday
L310[19:08:12] <Kerbot> Althego =>
Primary; Monday, February 22, 2021; 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.;
Scheduled | Primary; Tuesday, February 23, 2021; 9:00 a.m. to 6:00
p.m.; Scheduled | Secondary; Wednesday, February 24, 2021; 9:00
a.m. to 6:00 p.m.; Canceled | Secondary; Thursday, February 25,
2021; 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.; Scheduled | Primary; Friday, February
26, 2021; 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.; Canceled | Secondary; Monday,
March 1, 2021; 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.; Schedu
L311[19:08:20] <Althego> man that was
long
L312[19:08:26] <Althego> !inf
L313[19:08:28] <Althego> !info
L314[19:08:28] <Kerbot> Althego =>
pinkloli1 5.4.79-v7l+ armv7l | Raspbian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) |
ARMv7 Processor rev 3 (v7l) | 43.3'C | uptime: 76.4088 days
L315[19:08:37] <Althego> doesnt seem to be
problematic
L316[19:12:41] <Althego> maybe i should
add load and ram too
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L321[19:23:00] <FLHerne> Althego: It's
still listing last week's
L322[19:23:22] <Althego> yes they didnt
update it over the weekend
L323[19:23:57] <FLHerne> "it"
?
L324[19:24:02] <Althego> th elist
L325[19:24:15] <FLHerne> Which list does
it use?
L326[19:24:28] <Althego> the one on the
cameron county page
L328[19:25:26] <FLHerne> Make the bot drop
dates that are in the past?
L329[19:25:45] <Althego> no, handling
dates is for the fools
L330[19:26:17] <Althego> it can do that
with the launches because there is a timestamp in the data, not
with this text
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L332[19:26:32] <Althego> !nela
L334[19:26:58] <FLHerne> There are some
libs that do a reasonably good job
L335[19:27:18] <FLHerne> e.g. Python's
`dateparser` handles the one they're using currently
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