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L8[01:41:27] <JVFoxy> noticing quite a few
Space:1999 - Eagle stuff showing up on youtube recommended. Did I
miss something?
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L19[03:33:00] <Althego> ah scott 6 hours
ago. but i was asleeep
L21[03:40:28] <Althego> starlink live
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L23[03:59:30] <Althego> t-10 sec
L24[04:03:14] <Althego> the grid fins lit
up by the second stage engine. just as last time, looks great
L25[04:06:56] <Althego> said entry burn
shutdown, but there was a flame still
L26[04:07:13] <Althego> hmm lost
telemetry
L27[04:07:59] <Althego> no i think it fell
down
L28[04:08:07] <Althego> it was on the
right
L29[04:08:11] <Althego> way out
L30[04:08:25] <Althego> elon said there was
about 60% chance of landing
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L35[06:50:47] <XXCoder> ;mission
L36[06:50:47] <LunchBot> XXCoder: You've
been tasked with organizing all of the training materials for new
Kerbonauts. Krakens attack Kerbin.
L37[06:51:51] <Althego> hehe
L38[06:53:21] <UmbralRaptop> Get in the
[redacted] robot, jeb
L39[06:55:55] <Althego> hehehe
L40[07:39:04] <minas_tirith> UmbralRaptop,
hi
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L46[08:56:12] <Mat2ch> flayer: they have to
do a reentry burn so it's not going too fast.
L47[08:56:21] <Mat2ch> Althego: what was
the main problem? Bad weather?
L48[08:57:06] <Althego> may be. or it was
outside envelope
L49[08:58:25] <Mat2ch> outside
envelopeß
L51[08:58:47] <Althego> hehe, the 60%
success was for starship sn10
L52[08:58:54] <Althego> so it was something
else
L53[08:59:37] <Althego> there are
circumstances when it can land, that is inside the envelope
L54[08:59:59] <Althego> sometimes they do
flight envelope expansion, and try it a bit further out
L55[09:00:11] <Althego> i think they did
that not too long ago too and it was successful
L56[09:00:40] <Althego> but today should
have been a generic landing
L57[09:00:58] <minas_tirith> Althego,
hi
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L62[09:30:23] <Mat2ch> Althego: ah, that's
what you meant. Well, the booster was flown for the 6th time. Could
have broken up. Or they tried something with it, again
L63[09:30:43] <Althego> no, it was doin a
landing burn
L64[09:30:44] <minas_tirith> How many times
does a booster last
L65[09:31:08] <Althego> there was some
light outside of the camera
L66[09:31:19] <Althego> but too far
away
L67[09:31:53] <Althego> but the last
picture is saw was a flame still going after the breaking burn
finished, and then the telemetry cut out too
L68[09:32:47] <Mat2ch> Althego: that flame
could've been ionized gases
L69[09:32:59] <minas_tirith> Are they
hiding something from us?
L70[09:33:09] <Mat2ch> minas_tirith: I
think they were talking about 6 flights. But some have flown more
often already
L71[09:33:25] <Mat2ch> max is currently 8
times
L72[09:33:34] <minas_tirith>
Interesting
L73[09:34:30] <Mat2ch> and no, they are not
hiding something. Probably some technical issue. It's usually
something small that has this outcome
L75[09:35:15] <Althego> i havent seen such
flame previously
L76[09:35:19] <Althego> maybe it was going
too fast
L77[09:35:52] <Althego> it was also
localized to a small portion
L78[09:36:21] <Mat2ch> maybe the hydraulic
fluid burned
L79[09:36:33] <Althego> at leaast it saved
the birds on deck
L80[09:36:47] <Mat2ch> still no road
closures announced. Probably due to the blackouts in Texas.
L81[09:37:02] <minas_tirith> Why is texas
blacked out?
L82[09:37:15] <Mat2ch> And I saw an article
why there is a blackout at all. The Texan electrical grid is
separate from the rest of the US' grid...
L83[09:37:28] <Althego> lol
L84[09:37:30] <Althego> why
L85[09:37:50] <minas_tirith> I have heard
it gets really cold in Texas
L86[09:38:21] <Mat2ch> minas_tirith: Cold
front, everyone is heating with electricity right now. But usually
it's not that bad, the main power consumption is in summer by
ACs.
L87[09:38:22] <Althego> based on the
weather reports, they had 20 degrees and more in january. i didnt
check recently since there seemed to be no launch
L88[09:38:32] <Mat2ch> So many power plants
are being serviced and offline.
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L90[09:38:53] <Althego> oh and prepare for
a hot summer. because somehow it is always the hottest on
record
L91[09:38:54] <Mat2ch> Not enough plants
online + too much power draw = blackout
L92[09:39:08] <Mat2ch> Althego: and the
answer to your question is: Politics. And stubborn Texans.
L93[09:39:09] <Althego> plants online.
connect them to stalink :)
L94[09:39:25] <minas_tirith> How are the
texans surviving the cold?
L95[09:39:35] <Mat2ch> Freezing.
L96[09:39:47] <Althego> they get into their
pickups :)
L97[09:40:02] <Mat2ch> Human thing.
Contracting muscles fast, burns energy, but makes warm. :D
L98[09:40:03] <minas_tirith> Are the trucks
warm?
L99[09:40:23] <Mat2ch> The big and dirty
Diesel creates heat
L100[09:41:11] <Mat2ch> around 60-70 % of
the power output of a Diesel engine is heat.
L101[09:41:33] <minas_tirith> hey Mat2ch
do you like the sound of a low distortion guitar
L102[09:41:38] <minas_tirith> sometimes
punk can sound cool with low distortion
L103[09:42:20] <Mat2ch> Can you give me an
example where it is used?
L105[09:42:33] <Mat2ch> And talking about
Diesel... where's my new car battery?
L106[09:43:09] <Althego> 60 only if you
are lucky and have a ship :)
L107[09:43:21] <minas_tirith> Do you own a
ship?
L108[09:43:28] <minas_tirith> Whats the
efficiency of subs?
L109[09:43:52] <Mat2ch> minas_tirith: if
I'm in the mood for punk, then yes.
L110[09:43:56] <Althego> hehe less than
100%. you dont always get notiufications from youtube if you sub
:)
L111[09:44:07] <minas_tirith> Althego,
submarine
L112[09:44:10] <Mat2ch> :D
L113[09:44:18] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch, hows
the guitar sound in that album
L114[09:44:29] <Mat2ch> Don't know,
submarines should be very inefficient
L115[09:44:38] <Althego> anyway car
engines are typically a bit less efficient
L116[09:44:43] <Althego> i dont know
why
L117[09:44:43] <Mat2ch> minas_tirith: I
like it. But I'm not in the mood right now to listen to it all the
time
L118[09:44:54] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch, its
a bit experimental sound
L119[09:45:05] <Mat2ch> Althego: has
something to do with optimal efficiency factor
L120[09:45:25] <Mat2ch> minas_tirith: nah,
classic punk it is. The british punk rockers used that in the 80s
all the time :)
L121[09:45:34] <minas_tirith>
Really?
L122[09:45:41] <minas_tirith> High reverb
and super clean sound is new to me
L123[09:45:44] <minas_tirith> wrt
punk
L124[09:46:22] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch, the
low distortion sounds interesting
L125[09:46:32] <minas_tirith> combined
with the sharper frequencies in use
L126[09:46:44] <minas_tirith> It sounds
very "stringy"
L127[09:48:01] <Mat2ch> Althego: you can
keep ship engines at their optimal rotation speed for long times.
That makes them efficient.
L128[09:48:27] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch,
compare against a more "standard" punk sound like
Discharge
L129[09:48:46] <Althego> i thought because
they were bigger
L130[09:49:06] <minas_tirith> Ships are
nice
L131[09:49:11] <Mat2ch> but there's more
to ships than the optimal efficiency factor of the engine. The
rotation speed of the engine is calculated to the desired speed of
the ship
L132[09:49:16] <Althego> i don care, i
ship it :)
L133[09:49:19] <minas_tirith> They are the
reason we can get packages from across the sea
L134[09:49:45] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch, also
this band still seems to have some blues and rock like riffs
sometimes
L135[09:49:50] <Mat2ch> but if you go
slower you are more fuel efficient, even though the engine doesn't
run at optimal speed
L136[09:50:37] <Mat2ch> minas_tirith: do
you know the Toy Dolls?
L137[09:50:43] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch,
don't know them
L138[09:50:53] <Althego> this is my otp, i
go down with this ship :)
L139[09:52:05] <Mat2ch> yeah, I've had my
fair share with ships and efficiency lately...
L140[09:52:24] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch, do
you run ship
L141[09:52:26] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch, do
you run ships
L142[09:52:36] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch,
troubles with DHL?
L143[09:54:16] <Mat2ch> no, I just did
some research about it for a project
L144[09:57:10] <Mat2ch> and who doesn't
have trouble with DHL? :D
L145[09:57:15] <Althego> hehe
L146[09:57:50] <Althego> they were the
ones who stole 3 of my hdds while transportig it inside the
city
L147[09:58:21] <Althego> luckily the shop
sent them again
L148[10:00:52] *
minas_tirith puts Mat2ch in a ship
L149[10:05:09] <Mat2ch> oh, currently we
don't have to sign anything here if our packages arrived.
L150[10:05:27] <Mat2ch> I don't even see
the delivery driver anymore. Just puts my stuff in the elevator and
presses the button for my floor...
L151[10:05:47] <Mat2ch> Some are using
this as an excuse to say that they never got their package at
all
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L153[10:16:13] <minas_tirith> Hi
sandbox
L154[10:16:29] <sandbox> lo
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L171[13:38:58] <JVFoxy> ... wee...?
L172[13:40:00] <Mat2ch> Helo JVFoxy
L173[13:40:44] <JVFoxy> morn'n...
L174[13:41:14] <JVFoxy> we still
adventuring through space?
L175[13:41:39] <Mat2ch> Oh, we are, every
day, on this big very bluey ball of dirt.
L176[13:41:52] <Mat2ch> sorry, couldn't
help myself there :)
L177[13:43:36] <Althego> hehe
L178[13:46:16] <JVFoxy> dirt and water..
don't forget
L179[13:46:34] <JVFoxy> two more days till
red dust landing though
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L181[14:12:10] <Althego> or another one
bites the dust
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L183[14:13:11] <Althego> the only planet
solely inhabited by robots :)
L184[14:13:18] <Althego> or maybe
nor
L185[14:13:32] <Althego> there van be some
bacteria undergroud
L186[14:27:16] <JVFoxy> underground frozen
water
L187[14:27:31] <JVFoxy> sad the drill bit
didn't get too far into the ground.
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L202[16:22:04] <minas_tirith>
UmbralRaptop, hey
L203[16:28:04] <Althego> heyeyey whats
goging on :)
L204[16:30:48] <minas_tirith> Althego,
depressive riffs
L205[16:31:01] <minas_tirith> Massive,
long drawn out atmospheric chords
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L211[16:39:21] <minas_tirith> raptop,
welcome back bro
L212[16:45:03] <raptop> Limited
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L222[18:13:37] <Althego> some perseverance
thing live
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L224[18:17:48] <TristenYT> a
L225[18:18:02] <Althego> hydrodynamic
shark sound?
L226[18:18:31] <TristenYT> what
L227[18:18:41] <minas_tirith> TristenYT,
hi
L228[18:18:42] <Althego> doesnt matter
then
L229[18:18:57] <TristenYT> minas_tirith
hi
L230[18:20:19] <TristenYT> guys i came up
with a cool name for Mün Rover
L231[18:20:40] <TristenYT> Mün
rovers*
L232[18:21:50] <Althego> i would obviosul
call them rover N
L233[18:22:09] <darsie> N as in
1,2,3,...?
L234[18:22:32] <Althego> yes
L235[18:23:04] <raptop> ...is a hydronamic
shark a ray?
L236[18:23:11] <raptop>
*hydrodynamic
L237[18:23:23] <raptop> Anyway, what sort
of rover name?
L238[18:23:27] <TristenYT> I call them
Münarovers (A mix between Münar and rover)
L239[18:23:43] <raptop> Compare with
lunikhod?
L240[18:24:04] <TristenYT> I haven't
landed one yet
L241[18:24:10] <minas_tirith> TristenYT,
are you swedish
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L243[18:24:16] <minas_tirith> or
finnish
L244[18:24:20] <minas_tirith> you are
using finnish letters
L245[18:24:24] <TristenYT> minas_tirith no
Im american
L246[18:24:28] <Althego> raptop: since it
is the flattest :)
L247[18:24:34] <darsie> ü is German
L248[18:24:42] <minas_tirith> oh
L249[18:24:48] <TristenYT> It's also
another way to spell The Mun
L250[18:24:50] <minas_tirith> TristenYT,
are you a german immigrant
L251[18:24:54] <Althego> i can use ü
too
L252[18:25:04] <raptop> Mün
L253[18:25:06] <minas_tirith> üwü
L254[18:25:07] <TristenYT> No I'm 35%
German in my DNA tho
L255[18:25:07] <Althego> i also have
ű
L256[18:25:28] <TristenYT> I'm like 50%
hispanic
L257[18:25:39] <raptop> Ah, the scary
diacritic
L258[18:25:46] <minas_tirith> Obscure
letters
L259[18:25:53] <Mat2ch> ö
L260[18:26:00] <darsie> TristenYT: And the
NSA can synthesize your DNA and plant it anywhere.
L261[18:26:10] <TristenYT> yes
L262[18:26:19] <TristenYT> DNA
Cloning
L263[18:26:54] <TristenYT> Probably one of
the few more difficult things than rocket science
L264[18:26:54] <Mat2ch> ü
L265[18:26:57] <TristenYT> ü
L266[18:26:59] <raptop> Ő ő Ű ű
L267[18:27:07] <minas_tirith> Rocket
science is easy
L268[18:27:09] <minas_tirith> Anyone can
do it
L269[18:27:11] <TristenYT> pöggers
L270[18:27:27] <TristenYT> It's easy to do
it once you get used to it
L271[18:27:29] <Althego> rocket
engineering on the other hand...
L272[18:27:35] <darsie> ü is also Turkish.
Are you turkish, Althego?
L273[18:27:46] <Althego> no, why would i
be turkish
L274[18:27:50] <TristenYT> rocket
engineering is harder than controlling a rocket
L275[18:28:00] <Althego> hehehe, turkish
prison (airplane)
L276[18:28:02] <Mat2ch> uhhh, calling
Althego turkish is harsh... ;)
L277[18:28:12] <minas_tirith> Turkish is
obscure
L278[18:28:21] <darsie> Althego: idk. I
asked you if you're German, and I wasn't sure if you said you're
Turkish.
L279[18:28:26] <Althego> who knows, they
spent some 200 years
L280[18:28:29] <Althego> here
L281[18:28:30] <raptop> Althego is neither
Finnish nor Estonian
L282[18:28:37] <TristenYT> Me: *doesn't
use struts to hold stages together* KSP: no
L283[18:28:49] <raptop> I mean, depending
on the stage size and mass
L284[18:28:56] <Althego> if i relly have
to, i use the autostruts
L285[18:29:00] <TristenYT> and engine size
and decoupler
L286[18:29:09] <Althego> in modern ksp it
is very rare to acatually need normal part struts
L287[18:29:21] <darsie> AUtostruts are
cheating. Struts should work.
L288[18:29:30] <TristenYT> I play KSP
Enhanced Edition on console
L289[18:29:54] <Althego> eh
L290[18:30:01] <Althego> but even that was
upgraded lately
L291[18:30:15] <TristenYT> when is 1.15
gonna be added to console
L292[18:30:23] <TristenYT> i want gold
visors and toolboxes
L293[18:30:47] <Althego> 1.15 is maybe 2-3
years away by the looks of it :)
L294[18:30:53] <Althego> since 1.11 is the
current
L295[18:30:58] <TristenYT> Now Engineer
Kerbals have more purpose for existing
L296[18:31:03] <TristenYT> bruh
L297[18:31:18] <TristenYT> i need money to
buy my own personal pc
L298[18:32:26] <TristenYT> KSP on console
is actually relatively easy to play, since every button does
something
L299[18:33:01] <Althego> i think the
keyboard is full too
L300[18:33:08] <TristenYT> Almost
L301[18:33:17] <TristenYT> It's mainly the
left side of the keyboard
L302[18:33:20] <Althego> i put some extra
keys where there was nothing
L303[18:33:29] <TristenYT> yeah
L304[18:33:39] <TristenYT> it's useful and
saves time
L305[18:33:49] <TristenYT> so you don't
have to use your cursor
L306[18:36:23] <TristenYT> I know that W +
S is Yaw, A + D is Pitch, Q + E is Roll, Z + X is Throttle Up/Down,
Left Shift + Left Ctrl is Full/No Throttle, T is Stability Assist,
and G is deploy and retract landing legs or wheels.
L307[18:36:48] <TristenYT> Space is next
stage, too
L308[18:37:45] <TristenYT> Arrow keys is
to look around, mouse scroll is zoom when launching but leveling in
VAB and Hangar.
L309[18:37:59] <TristenYT> why do i
memorize these things
L310[18:38:28] <raptop> 1234567890
"normal" action groups, backspace abort, [ ] to cycle
through nearby craft
L311[18:38:49] *
raptop can't recall home pgup/dn, home, end, etc are for switching
modes
L312[18:38:56] <raptop> Also, capslock for
FINE CONTROL
L313[18:39:32] <Ariri> Helpful for
aircraft
L314[18:40:01] <raptop> Yeah
L315[18:40:02] <darsie> I configured
full/no/increase/decrease throttle to page down/end/page
up/home.
L316[18:40:15] <Althego> or if you dont
have sas
L317[18:40:23] <raptop> Also, reminder
that ferram4 somehow flies craft using PWM
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L319[18:43:22] <darsie> I found the Dawn
works less efficient if the electricity supply is intermittent,
like if the batteries run low and solar can't provide full
power.
L320[18:43:26] <TristenYT> what is fine
control
L321[18:44:15] <raptop> Makes the inputs
start out smaller and then ramp up, for finer control for
maneuvers
L322[18:44:22] <TristenYT> oh
L323[18:44:35] <TristenYT> I also remember
that M is to open/close the map
L324[18:45:21] <TristenYT> Also, why is
docking so hard?!
L325[18:45:32] <darsie> Because it's a
precision job.
L326[18:45:52] <TristenYT> That's why I
don't ever land on the Mun Apollo-style
L327[18:45:58] <darsie> And because you
don't set the target port as target and use the target marker on
the navball.
L328[18:46:16] <darsie> Or maybe you don't
use RCS.
L329[18:46:26] <TristenYT> I tried that
once but I accidentally un-targeted
L330[18:46:39] <TristenYT> Nah, I don't
use RCS unless I need to
L331[18:47:03] <darsie> You also need to
control from your docking port.
L332[18:47:32] <TristenYT> I've never
tried that
L333[18:47:42] <TristenYT> I always
control from probes or pods
L334[18:47:43] <darsie> Well, you can dock
without RCS. It's just ... hard.
L335[18:47:59] <TristenYT> because it's
harder to turn larger spacecraft
L336[18:48:17] <darsie> RMB click on the
docking port of the vessle you control and select 'control from
here'.
L337[18:48:25] <Althego> i dont believ it,
another engineer
L338[18:48:32] <Althego> while i still
have only two scientists
L339[18:48:33] <TristenYT> but when
you're, like, just a pod, you can spin so fast you become an
interplanetary helicopter
L340[18:48:52] <Althego> as soon as bob
returns from the mun he is leaving for minmus
L341[18:50:06] <TristenYT> I made two
different "Kerbalized" versions of Apollo. The first ones
I named "Kerpollo" and my newest ones I will do soon are
going to be "Kapollo."
L342[18:50:30] <TristenYT> I'm now trying
to make Kerbalized names of real missions
L343[18:54:00] <Ariri> Kapollo 13 =>
Kaboom (sorry)
L344[18:55:11] <TristenYT> NASA must have
thought of everything that could go wrong if they had to put a heat
shield on the LEM
L345[18:56:05] <raptop> ?
L346[18:56:13] <raptop> The LEM didn't
have a heat shield?
L347[18:56:25] <raptop> (I mean, the
standard stuff I've seen is that it burned up on reentry)
L348[18:57:29] <Althego> well, all that
shiny gold foil is a thermal protection system
L349[18:57:32] <TristenYT> The Apollo 13's
Service Module had a malfunction inside of it that caused 2/3 of
it's hydrogen and oxygen tanks to blow out.
L350[18:58:11] <TristenYT> They couldn't
live for much longer in the Command Module, so they got back to
Earth in the Lunar Module and had to skip the Lunar Landing.
L351[18:58:40] <Althego> nthis is not
exactly news today :)
L352[18:59:38] <Ariri> That's why I made
the joke :P
L353[18:59:47] <Althego> btw they got back
to earth in the command module, as intended. the lem provided life
support and rcs during the trip
L354[18:59:55] <TristenYT> It was on April
11, 1970 though
L355[18:59:58] <TristenYT> oh
L356[19:00:07] <TristenYT> I thought they
splashed down in the LEM
L357[19:00:32] <TristenYT> nevermind
L358[19:00:41] <Althego> in fact even in
the movie, a big issue was, they had to boot up the command module
computer and life support from the batteries of the lem, it was
never designed to do that
L359[19:01:11] <Althego> normally the
reverse was done, the command module supported the lem
L360[19:01:15] <TristenYT> Didn't they
just take the medical supplies, life support, and oxygen
tanks?
L361[19:01:41] <TristenYT> They also used
the LEM's Descent and/or Ascent Engine to get back
L362[19:02:27] <Althego> i remember they
needed to do some correction manually without the computer, but i
dont know if it was doen by the rcs or the main engine. could have
been the main enigne
L363[19:02:35] <Althego> but they were on
a free return trajectory
L364[19:06:43] <TristenYT> I'm probably
only gonna do 10-15 Kapollo Missions. Kapollo 1 - 5 will test the
rocket's different stages and modules. Kapollo 6 - 8 will be Probe
Controlled Mun flyby and return missions. Kapollo 9 will have a
crewed flyby, but a probe will do a Mun landing and return. Kapollo
10, 11, & 12 (Possibly 13, 14, & 15) will be the first
crewed Mun landin
L365[19:06:43] <TristenYT> g and return
missions.
L366[19:08:34] <minas_tirith> TristenYT,
space is very dark
L367[19:08:45] <TristenYT> yes
L368[19:09:41] <TristenYT> nothing is
there for the light to bounce off of, so it's just a jet black
background with stars, planets, galaxies, moons, and lots of other
things
L369[19:10:59] <minas_tirith> TristenYT,
its empty and scary
L370[19:11:37] <TristenYT> it's also very
big
L371[19:11:49] <minas_tirith> TristenYT,
yes
L372[19:12:21] <minas_tirith> TristenYT,
its terrifying how even denser regions like nebulae have such a low
molecular density
L373[19:12:35] <minas_tirith> TristenYT,
like
L374[19:12:51] <TristenYT> It's also where
it gets its name; "Space." Because space is mostly empty
space. Only 4% of the Observable Universe is filled, according to
my book
L375[19:12:54] <minas_tirith> One won't
even realize visually one has flown into a nebula
L376[19:13:42] <raptop> filled seems like
the wrong term. 4% is baryonic matter, rather?
L377[19:13:48] <TristenYT> yes
L378[19:13:57] <TristenYT> thats what i
meant
L379[19:14:00] <raptop> ah
L380[19:14:08] <TristenYT> and, like, over
75% is dark matter
L381[19:14:08] <minas_tirith> TristenYT,
apparently the orion has a density like 10^4 cm-3 molecules
L382[19:14:10] <raptop> Also, solar system
scale models still feel weird
L383[19:14:19] <TristenYT> yeah
L384[19:14:20] <Althego> no, dark matter
is 20 something
L385[19:14:24] <Althego> the rest is dark
energy
L386[19:14:29] <TristenYT> oh yeah
L387[19:14:31] <minas_tirith> raptop,
mercury stuffed inside the sun and jupiter way out into the other
building?
L388[19:14:32] <TristenYT> i mixed
it
L389[19:14:39] <raptop> minas_tirith: it's
weird how low the number densities of those "dense molecular
clouds" are
L390[19:14:45] <minas_tirith> raptop,
exactly
L391[19:14:48] <Ariri> ^^
L392[19:14:57] <minas_tirith> If you are
flying a ship you won't even know you flew into one
L393[19:16:03] <TristenYT> Well, when I
make scale solar system models, I mix the Imperial and Metric
system together
L394[19:17:28] <raptop> I mean, sure. you
get a sufficiently amusing version of how the orbits are from
1" == 1 au
L395[19:18:02] <minas_tirith> raptop, also
remember the relative sizes of the sphers
L396[19:18:04] <minas_tirith> raptop, also
remember the relative sizes of the spheres
L397[19:18:42] <minas_tirith> raptop, you
know whats actually strange to me
L398[19:18:56] <TristenYT> What I usually
do is... 1 millimeter = 1 thousand miles, 1 centimeter = 10
thousand miles, 1 meter = 1 million miles, 1 kilometer = 1 billion
miles, 93 meters/0.93 kilometers = 1 Astronomical Unit / AU (The
average distance between the Earth and the Sun, 93 million
miles.)
L399[19:19:05] <minas_tirith> How of all
the various orientations possible it turned out that the planets
orbit the sun more or less in the same plane
L400[19:19:30] <TristenYT> Maybe the
protoplanetary disk?
L401[19:19:31] <Althego> that is not
really a coincidence
L402[19:19:38] <dequbed> It's magic.
L403[19:19:39] <minas_tirith> Althego,
how
L404[19:19:52] <darsie> protostellar
disk*
L405[19:19:57] <Althego> conservation of
angular momentum
L406[19:20:18] <minas_tirith> Angular
momentum would be conserved in any angle around the sun
L407[19:20:27] <minas_tirith> why does it
happen to be that many planets share the same plane
L408[19:20:50] <Ariri> Put shortly, isn't
something like the bodies also exert forces on each other in every
direction
L409[19:21:06] <TristenYT> Because the
protostellar disk circles the Sun in a flat plane
L410[19:21:22] <TristenYT> and then the
asteroids smash together into protoplanets
L411[19:21:24] <minas_tirith> so all
planets being in the same plane is the stablest?
L412[19:21:26] <darsie> minas_tirith:
Because the matter in the protostellar cloud had angular momentum
and friction caused it to form a disk.
L413[19:21:33] <Althego> the question is,
why it became a disk
L414[19:21:44] <TristenYT> Magnetic field
maybe
L415[19:22:33] <TristenYT> because if
Uranus' poles are at a 90º angle and their magnetic field is also
at a 90º angle
L416[19:22:52] <minas_tirith> darsie,
thats very interesting
L417[19:23:22] <minas_tirith> I would be
curious to figure out why of all the possible configurations the
stellar cloud happened to take on a disk form
L418[19:23:57] <minas_tirith> so
apparently the momentum imparted to this disk still shows its
effect in the orbits of the planets
L419[19:24:12] <TristenYT> There probably
is someone who knows, we just don't know
L420[19:24:28] <darsie> If a particle has
high inclination and passes through the cloud, it will collide and
on average the particles will get closer to a plane perpendicular
to the axis of rotation.
L421[19:24:52] <TristenYT> An the planets
get inclination from getting hit from asteroids and planets
maybe
L422[19:24:55] <minas_tirith> I should
probably try some simulations with random particle clouds
sometimes
L423[19:25:47] <TristenYT> Earth most
likely got it's axial tilt from getting hit by Theia, which also
caused the Moon to be formed, maybe.
L424[19:27:09] <minas_tirith> You know
it'd be a fun experiment to try. I have never attempted physical
simulations before.
L425[19:27:37] <Althego> universe
sandbox?
L426[19:27:58] <minas_tirith> Whats
that
L428[19:33:20] <minas_tirith> I think it'd
be more raw and trve kvlt if I attempt from scratch myself
L429[19:35:05] <minas_tirith> Althego,
interesting website though
L430[19:36:53] *
raptop is legally required to mention MERCURY6 now
L431[19:38:04] <minas_tirith> Oh, very
interesting
L432[19:38:09] <minas_tirith> I should
learn the fortran some time too
L433[19:38:19] <TristenYT> How do you do
the star thing? I used to know but I forgot
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L435[19:39:05] <darsie> Put lots of
hydrogen in one place.
L436[19:39:33] <TristenYT> hardee
harhar
L437[19:39:41] <darsie> :)
L438[19:40:04] <TristenYT> But you also
need helium and lots of other things
L439[19:40:08] <darsie> no
L440[19:40:10] <raptop> minas_tirith:
well, it's set up so you can just mess with config files
L441[19:40:11] <darsie> H will do
L442[19:40:24] <TristenYT> h
L443[19:40:37] <minas_tirith> raptop, I
thank you for recommending this library but I feel I should first
try writing my own program from scartch
L444[19:40:44] <raptop> heh
L445[19:41:00] <raptop> Note that N-body
integrators can have some subtelties
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L447[19:41:15] <darsie> Don't forget to
write a compiler in machine language.
L448[19:41:31] <minas_tirith> Thats nice,
I would like to shed blood and tears myself and understand the
possible issues with it
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L450[19:41:57] <minas_tirith> Naturally I
would not rely on such code for serious applications but I consider
an experiment like this important to understanding something
L451[19:42:14] <Althego> what, you dont
want to build your own cpu from scratch? :)
L452[19:42:43] <darsie> Start with
hydrogen, then use a supernova to make a CPU.
L453[19:42:57] <Althego> hehe
L454[19:43:14] <Althego> use your own
universe
L455[19:51:13] <raptop> Something
something FLRW model
L456[19:55:47] <TristenYT> a
L457[19:56:24] <raptop> 🦈❓
L458[19:56:36] <Althego> i asked that
too
L459[19:56:39] <Althego> but apparently
not
L460[19:56:46] <Althego> so what is that
flrw
L461[19:57:14] <raptop>
Friedmann–Lemaître–Robertson–Walker
L462[19:57:14] <Althego> what thre will be
a previoew of the landing tomorrow
L463[19:57:20] <Althego> why would they do
that
L464[19:57:23] <Althego> nobody
cares
L465[19:57:26] <Althego> i want to see the
landing
L466[19:57:44] <Althego> and we cant even
see that because nobody is there to film it, and there is also the
time delay
L467[19:58:24] <minas_tirith> I looked up
the question on google, so apparently the current explanation is
that asymmetries in the nebular density cause the gas to coalese
into a disk like shape initially
L468[19:58:30] <Althego> we simulate for
you how we are going to simulate the landing for you a day
later
L469[19:58:45] <minas_tirith> and that
apparently is the oldest root cause for this matching of orbital
planes
L470[20:09:47] <TristenYT> Hey, guys. Did
you know that Saturn is less dense than water? So, if you put
Saturn inside a giant space bathtub, it would float.
L471[20:10:29] <Althego> ys i knew
L472[20:10:34] <minas_tirith> Its average
density is lower but when you dive down deep you'll find yourself
in rather dense regions
L473[20:11:05] <TristenYT> You'd be
crushed like a soda can
L474[20:12:33] <TristenYT> Also, the
Perseverance Rover is gonna land on Mars on the 18th at 3:52pm
EST
L475[20:14:21] <Althego> soda yo :)
L476[20:14:38] <Althego> i couldnt stop
tha tpun
L477[20:14:38] <TristenYT> yes
L478[20:15:06] <Ariri> I have that endless
clip in my head now
L479[20:15:57] <Ariri> "So dayo, so
dayo, so dayo..."
L480[20:16:49] <TristenYT> Can I get an
"OWA OWA"
L481[20:17:29] <raptop> Outlook Web
Access?
L482[20:17:59] <TristenYT> :l
L483[20:18:41] <Althego> hehehe
L484[20:19:01] <TristenYT> hey wanna hear
a secret
L485[20:19:57] <Althego> oh there will be
flat earth content tomorrow
L486[20:20:12] <TristenYT> I'm the same
person who started that Imperial System vs. Metric System War a few
months ago. :)
L487[20:20:22] <Althego> doesnt
matter
L488[20:20:30] <Althego> happens
sometimes
L489[20:20:38] <Althego> and it is not as
bad as it used to be
L490[20:20:41] <TristenYT> Remember me? I
used to be "TwistenX."
L491[20:21:53] <FLHerne> Yes
L492[20:22:03] <TristenYT> I kinda wanna
do fan-art of that war :)
L493[20:22:03] <FLHerne> (but now you
aren't?)
L494[20:22:12] <TristenYT> yeah
L495[20:22:28] <TristenYT> TwistenX is my
username for a lot of things
L496[20:22:45] <TristenYT> It's also my
Xbox ID
L497[20:23:06] <TristenYT> TristenYT is my
YouTube Channel. I have one video and no subs
L498[20:24:36] <TristenYT> The Metric vs.
Imperial War was actually pretty big. It lasted like a few hours I
think, and there was like 30 people involved.
L499[20:27:04] <TristenYT> Ight I'mma head
out
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L505[20:56:36] <TristenYT> Hey I'm
back
L506[21:04:11] <TristenYT> I found a
website that tells you things to make a scale model solar system
with. You just need to input your scale model Sun's diameter in
inches or millimeters and it will tell you the diameter and orbital
radius of all the things you'll need.
https://www.exploratorium.edu/ronh/solar_system/all_bodies.html
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L508[21:05:24] <raptop> Something
something excel
L509[21:09:17] <darsie>
Wikipedia+calculator
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L511[21:10:45] <raptop> One of the best
wikipedia pages Many locations in the Houston metropolitan area
observed at least 30 in (760 mm) of precipitation,[45] with a
maximum of 60.58 in (1,539 mm) in Nederland.[46]
L512[21:10:49] <raptop> er
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L515[21:27:52] <mxi_steel> hello! im new
to this irc chat are there any rules to follow?
L516[21:28:22] <darsie> mxi_steel: The
topic suggests so.
L517[21:28:31] <darsie> Mainly, keep it
kid friendly.
L518[21:29:01] <darsie> And ignore the
rules that are meant for the forum.
L519[21:31:34] <darsie> Fortunately we
only have 8 planets nowadays. The small Pluto is no longer.
L520[21:31:54] <mxi_steel> ok! im here to
see if anyone knows of a mod that comes in the folder plume party.
it came with my mod as what i assume is a dependency but i wanna
switch it for ckan if possible to make future updates easier
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L524[21:59:17] <mxi_steel> hi i somehow
disconnected how can i see what i posted last time i was on
here?
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L531[23:10:10] <TristenYT> hello i'm
back
L532[23:12:22] <raptop> \o
L533[23:14:11] <TristenYT> o/
L534[23:20:35] <minas_tirith> Hi
TristenYT
L535[23:21:46] <TristenYT> hello
L536[23:21:46] <Mod9000> Hello,
TristenYT
L537[23:21:59] <raptop> The bot is happy
to meet you
L538[23:22:07] <TristenYT> :)
L539[23:22:51] <TristenYT> Guys what if I
just declared the second Imperial vs. Metric System War
L540[23:23:25] <minas_tirith> TristenYT,
no
L541[23:23:30] <minas_tirith> Listen to
some depressive riffs instead
L543[23:23:34] <raptop> Consider: SR
units
L544[23:23:44] <TristenYT> what are SR
units
L545[23:24:08] <TristenYT> I really don't
trust that link, minas
L546[23:24:21] <minas_tirith> TristenYT,
its youtube bro
L547[23:24:26] <TristenYT> i know
L548[23:24:29] <raptop> Special Relativity
units, but more generally, anything where G == c == h == 1
L549[23:24:33] <minas_tirith> then whats
the problem
L550[23:24:42] <TristenYT> it could be a
rick roll
L551[23:24:47] <TristenYT> i'm not that
dumb
L552[23:24:52] <TristenYT> i think
L553[23:24:56] <minas_tirith> nvm
L554[23:24:57] <raptop> It's just some
metal song
L555[23:25:01] <TristenYT> oh
L556[23:25:24] <TristenYT> what is your
point of view on friday night funkin
L557[23:25:25] <raptop> well,
"just" is being unfair to minas_tirith, since it's in a
style that he really likes
L558[23:25:38] <minas_tirith> raptop, raw
depressive riffs
L559[23:26:45] <TristenYT> me when
the
L560[23:29:17] <TristenYT> Hey have ya'll
heard of the game Friday Night Funkin'?
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