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L2[00:41:37] <Guest17626> Quick newbie
question: I've brought back to Kerbal orbit a ship that was on the
Mun and the pilot has a bunch of science points. The ship won't
survive re-entry, so I've moved the pilot to a return vehicle. But
it looks like the science (surface sample, crew report) didn't move
to the return vehicle with her. I don't see anything on the PAW to
tran
L3[00:41:37] <Guest17626> sfer the science
points... am I missing something? Or do I need to send up a ship
with an Experiment Storage Unit in order to get those points back
to KSC?
L4[00:43:02] <raptop> The kerbals can take
the points with them -- when on EVA, click on the capsule,
instruments, etc
L5[00:45:08] <Guest17626> Sorry, not sure I
follow... I have to put the Kerbal on EVA, select the capsule PAW
to pull the science, then put the Kerbal into the return
vehicle?
L6[00:48:47] <raptop> Yeah
L7[00:48:58] <Guest17626> I'll give it a
try. Thank you!
L8[00:49:22] <raptop> Implicitly when you're
controlling an EVAing Kerbal and select a PAW, the Kerbal is
"messing with" that part
L9[00:56:02] <Guest17626> I'll have to keep
that in mind. So... I have to go OUTside to get the science that is
INside one craft, take it OUTside, then move it INside another
craft! LOL
L10[00:56:53] <Guest17626> Or I guess I
should just remember to pack a ESU on every ship. :-)
L11[00:56:53] <Guest17626> Thanks
again!
L12[00:58:47] <raptop> Well, the good news
is that any Kerbal that's carrying science will drop it off in the
first capsule they board
L13[00:58:57] <raptop> (uh, I'm not sure
what happens with passenger compartments)
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L24[03:47:00] <Althego> Due to unfavorable
weather tonight, now targeting Monday, February 15 at 10:59 p.m.
EST for Falcon 9's launch of 60 Starlink satellites
L25[04:45:36] <Ariri> tch
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L31[05:00:36] <Althego> elon said 3
launches for breakeven point
L32[05:01:20] <Althego> which seems almost
impossible based on this
L33[05:03:31] <Althego> but comparing to
the shuttle is not exactly right, he says several times shuttle was
human rated. so is falcon 9. no difference there. also shuttle has
not flown for almost 10 years now, so comparing current prices to
old prices without adjusting for inflation is not fair.
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L38[06:17:52] <Althego> to be honest the 55
million per seat seems overly expensive for me too. they are still
the cheapest, however that is not only the price for nasa, but for
individuals too
L39[06:23:18] <raptop> Given the way Soyuz
prices were climbing for a while, I assume that this is
cheaper?
L40[06:24:32] <Althego> soyuz is 85
L41[06:24:40] <Althego> adjusted for
americans
L42[06:24:40] <raptop> ahah
L43[06:24:51] <Althego> but starliner is
going to be 90 or 95 i dont remember
L44[06:25:06] <raptop> I mean, technically
all the capsules since at least the TMA series were adjusted for
americans >_>
L45[06:25:21] <Althego> i mean the pricing
is adjusted
L46[06:26:13] <Althego> sadly roscosmos is
going to lose that income
L47[06:26:37] <Althego> i dont think they
can have much progress with diminished resources
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L49[06:46:51] <Althego> hmm, super heavy
grid fins
L50[06:47:26] <Althego> but the normal
flacon 9 grid fins are already the biggest titanium parts in the
world. so probably they are not made from titanium
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L58[08:07:40] <flayer> space
communism?
L59[08:07:48] <Izaya> yees
L60[08:07:52] <Izaya> it's even largely
automated
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L81[12:15:43] <Mat2ch> Althego: didn't you
post a preprint of a study about vitamin d?
L82[12:16:03] <Althego> no i posted a
video
L83[12:19:21] <Mat2ch> oh, yeah, that study
is massively flaued
L84[12:19:30] <Mat2ch> and probably wont
survive peer review.
L85[12:19:46] <Mat2ch> *flawed
L86[12:22:08] <Mat2ch> and thunderf00t
about SpaceX? That's going to be a fail :D
L87[12:22:56] <Althego> he did kind of fail
about the first landing attempt of starship
L88[12:23:12] <Althego> where he didnt even
do the research about the header tanks
L89[12:26:54] <Mat2ch> I hate vloggers that
do this kind of stuff. Exposing stuff without doing proper research
and counting on getting views by embarrassing others
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L91[12:27:47] <Althego> to be honest the
previous things he talked about usually were fraudulent
kickstarters, and they were all overpromising and never
delivering
L92[12:27:47] <Mat2ch> I like proper
research, showing facts and figures. But "IN YOUR FACE"
is not part of a society I want to live in somehow
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L94[12:27:54] <Althego> so he has a pretty
good track record
L95[12:28:09] <Mat2ch> He's still a
donkey
L96[12:29:05] <Mat2ch> or how we say in
Germany: Even a blind chicken sometimes finds grain
L97[12:29:23] <Althego> hehe that exact
saying exists here too
L98[12:29:53] <Althego> i have to go to the
office
L99[12:30:18] <Mat2ch> they make you go to
the office in those times? Harsh
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L109[14:43:04] <Althego> once a
month
L110[14:43:12] <Althego> for papers
L111[14:45:05] <Mat2ch> then it's not that
bad
L112[14:45:12] <Mat2ch> still no new road
closures announced
L113[14:46:00] <Althego> then next
week
L114[14:46:42] <Mat2ch> or even later to
let the cement cure...
L115[14:48:26] <Althego> isnt there some
special coating on it?
L116[14:49:38] <Mat2ch> I have no idea.
But that coating wont make the cement bind faster.
L117[14:49:48] <Mat2ch> The may have
binding agents in there, but I doubt that
L118[14:49:57] <Mat2ch> usually that makes
the whole cement worse
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L124[15:31:22] <Althego> hehe, 1337 new
infected here today. leet :)
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L127[15:45:34] <raptop> zombies?
L128[15:45:56] <Althego> no
L129[15:46:01] <Althego> but it reminds me
of prototype
L130[15:46:03] <Althego> Fight as an
Infected ally to defeat the Military.
L131[15:48:03] <sandbox> I typed out 1337,
but then the time changed
L132[16:14:26] <darsie> Althego: Where?
Your province?
L133[16:14:36] <Althego> in the
ocuntry
L134[16:14:46] <darsie> Germany?
L135[16:14:53] <darsie> Hungary
L136[16:14:54] <Althego> no, hungary
L137[16:20:10] <Althego> nobody said
anything about the new super heavy grid fins
L138[16:21:41] <Althego> now that i am
speculating about the materials (possibly aluminium or steel for
the grid fins), i dont get why carbon composite is not good for the
booster. it would make it light. and it does not need to endure a
full speed reentry. it is good enough for falcon 9
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L140[16:26:39] <Althego> ok there is still
the fact that the stainless steel is the strongest in those cryo
temperatures, while the composite is weaker. also easier to make it
into a shape. but probably still heavier than the coposite
L141[16:26:50] <FLHerne> Falcon 9 is
mostly aluminium
L142[16:26:57] <FLHerne> Only the
interstage is CF
L143[16:27:28] <Althego> ah
L144[16:27:40] <Althego> that is still
lighter than steel
L145[16:27:43] <FLHerne> Booster fins are
stainless steel, F9's current ones are titanium
L146[16:27:46] <Althego> but maybe not
that much
L147[16:28:01] <FLHerne> (F9 used to have
coated aluminium fins, but they caught fire a couple of
times)
L148[16:28:10] <Althego> yes those
melted
L149[16:28:18] <Althego> and had to be
replaced
L150[16:29:09] <Althego> maybe the super
heavy grid fins are made in multiple parts and welded, then there
is a chance they are titanium
L151[16:29:29] <FLHerne> Carbon booster
would mean a whole second set of designs/tooling/workforce
L152[16:29:44] <FLHerne> (given the ship
being steel)
L153[16:29:47] <Althego> yes that is a
drawback
L154[16:29:58] <Althego> but only the
second stage needs to be steel
L155[16:30:07] <FLHerne> And booster dry
mass isn't actually that big an impact
L156[16:30:29] <Althego> and you can
always just make it bigger since it is reusable anyway
L157[16:30:33] <FLHerne> It's already 98%
or something fuel, and at cutoff it still has a fully-fuelled ship
on top
L158[16:30:36] <FLHerne> And that
L159[16:44:34] <Althego> oh no a takamori
event, but even i will not be awake at 3
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L173[18:31:23] <Althego> hehe inflatable
mun house
L174[18:31:26] <Althego> i like that
L175[18:31:44] <Izaya> They're like 30k
funds including the launcher
L176[18:32:15] <Izaya> It's not the
cheapest thing I've ever done but it houses 4, has a comfortable dV
budget and is cute
L177[18:33:19] <darsie> It's so
dark.
L178[18:33:27] <Althego> ksp. it is always
dark
L179[18:33:45] <Izaya> Only downside is
the access is from the bottom, so you have to crank the suspension
way up until you empty the monoprop tanks.
L180[18:33:46] <darsie> Why does it have
solar panels? ;)
L181[18:33:46] <Althego> although you can
now set how dark it becomes in the dark
L182[18:34:29] <darsie> I wonder how much
humans can see in lunar night.
L183[18:34:38] <Izaya> Because it's
designed for independent usage
L184[18:34:40] <darsie> With
starlight.
L185[18:34:46] <Althego> earthshine
L186[18:34:53] <darsie> far side
L187[18:34:59] <Althego> hehe, not much
probably
L188[18:35:05] <Izaya> Though I end up
leaving a rover hooked up to it because the rovers have RTGs
L189[18:35:12] <Althego> because the
surface is dark
L190[18:35:29] <Izaya> Gotta keep your
engineers warm and comfy
L191[18:36:20] <Izaya> Though I suspect
landing the cargo pod with an atomic rocket engine made sure of
that for a while.
L192[18:55:30] <Izaya> Tomorrow I'm going
to experiment with building cheaper habitat modules using the
non-rigid inflatable thingos
L193[18:56:11] <raptop> BEAM?
L194[18:56:26] <Althego> heh today i cant
get to playing ksp
L195[18:56:34] <Althego> watched soem
curious marc stuff
L196[18:56:52] <Althego> other space stuff
is coming on yt
L197[18:58:37] <Izaya> something like
that, if I forego the top docking port, I can make the overall size
of the module much smaller - roughly the size of two airlocks and
landing gear. Actually landing the thing is the biggest problem
then, need to fit enough fuel on it to land and fit engines that
don't interfere with the airlock
L198[18:59:31] <darsie> marc?
L199[18:59:44] <darsie> ah, nm.
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L208[21:29:17] <flayer> i just don't
understand how spacex boosters can land on the same place where
they took off from
L209[21:31:47] <darsie> They don't
exactly. They launch at the launch site with a tower and land at
the landing pad.
L210[21:32:16] <darsie> The booster turns
around in space for that.
L211[21:33:36] <packbart> uses just a
little bit more fuel for the boost-back burn than going for the
drone ship, I imagine
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L214[21:34:26] <flayer> yeah but to turn
around.. you need so much fuel in kerbal
L215[21:34:41] <packbart> the booster on
its own is very light
L216[21:35:23] <darsie> I guess it's about
95% fuel.
L217[21:35:30] <umaxtu> especially with
most of its fuel gone
L218[21:36:17] <packbart>
https://i.stack.imgur.com/mojf8.png - so the
boost-back would look similar to the ascend. steeper, probably,
because the landing site rotates during the flight. probably
depends on launch inclination, too
L219[21:36:54] <darsie> You could try to
land on the runway.
L220[21:37:12] <darsie> Or the lawn.
L221[21:46:40] <Mat2ch> flayer: since KSP
has only 1/10th of earth gravity the first stage usually goes very
high up and forward. But in reality the booster just helps the
second stage to get out of the atmosphere more or less...
L222[21:47:50] <flayer> yeah my boosters
typically bring the second stage to ~1900-2000 ms/sec at 75
km
L223[21:48:11] <darsie> Kerbin has 1 g,
but it's much smaller, so when you get away gravity drops much
faster.
L224[21:56:16] <Mat2ch> flayer: on earth
it has mostly upwards motion not much forward. So the turning back
manouver doesn't take that much dV. Also in reality engines are way
more fuel efficient ;)
L225[22:06:01] <darsie> Highest stock
vacuum Isp is 350 s.
L226[22:06:44] <darsie> Highest ASL Isp is
295 s.
L227[22:07:22] <UmbralRaptop> meanwhile,
the SSME was what, 353 s ASL, 453 s vac?
L228[22:09:32] <darsie> I'd believe that
:).
L229[22:09:46] <darsie> not x53 twice,
though :).
L230[22:11:41] <darsie> They could have
made the KS-25 a hydrolox engine. But using the same density as
kerolox is unrealistic.
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L236[22:29:32] <packbart> some of my best
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L237[22:31:30] <raptop> I mean, a *lot* of
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L242[23:49:42] <flayer> Mat2ch, this is
why 're-entry' is not a problem for the booster, i reckon?
L243[23:49:49] <flayer> in terms of heat
and all that
L245[23:51:05] <darsie> And be in
orbit.
L246[23:51:42] <darsie> Cause I think
that's how it's done usually irl.
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