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L21[06:11:47] <Althego> hehe they put a
banana for scale next to the hypercurie engine
L22[06:12:07] <Althego> the sound quality
of peter back is awful
L23[06:12:11] <Althego> the highs are all
missing
L24[06:28:02] <Althego> i just cat listen
to this at twice speed, even with highs cranked up and lows cranked
down
L25[06:29:17] <raptop> double speed
kitty
L26[06:29:25] <Althego> hehe
L27[06:37:40] <raptop> Apropos nothing,
Kobold-60 feels like it should be the name for a band or
something
L28[06:39:01] <Althego> what is kobold
61?
L29[06:39:03] <Althego> 60?
L30[06:39:20] <Althego> looks like
misspelled kobalt
L31[06:39:27] <Althego> (which was named
after kobolds)
L32[06:39:48] <raptop> cobalt-60 is the
isotope that puts out all those gammas, kobold is the mythological
creature that the element is named after
L33[06:40:05] <raptop> Or if you play DnD,
the smol monsters that will claim that they're totally descended
from dragons
L34[06:40:36] <Althego> tomb raider king,
178 chapters currently... no i shouldnt start reading this
L35[06:40:43] <raptop> hah
L36[06:44:32] <Althego> i got through 100
chapter of gate jsdf something in december, maybe i can read this
next time
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L44[08:56:03] <Althego> why dont we have
jet propelled zeppelines?
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L52[10:48:06] <Mat2ch> Althego: because
then you could just make a plane :D
L53[10:48:29] <Althego> no wings, no
runways
L54[10:50:07] <Mat2ch> but all the hassle
with blimps
L55[10:50:50] <Mat2ch> they are using
already the new panels for the nose cones. Nice.
L56[10:51:06] <Mat2ch> and they are
installing the forward flaps on the ground now
L57[10:51:27] <Althego> and removed part of
sn12
L58[10:51:40] <Althego> it became outdated
before it was finished
L59[10:51:44] <Mat2ch> SN10 is being moved
and SN12 was outdated, yep
L60[10:52:37] <Mat2ch> they are really
convinced about the 3 mm steel
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L66[13:25:12] <FLHerne> Weather looks bad
again though
L67[14:30:56] <Althego> twitter says goes
live in about 15 minutes
L68[14:44:37] <Althego> stream on
L69[14:51:37] <Mat2ch> didn't autostart
again :/
L70[14:51:44] <Althego> never does
L71[14:51:47] <Althego> it used to
L72[14:51:52] <Althego> but of course they
improved it
L73[14:52:13] <Mat2ch> Sometimes it does,
most of the times not.
L74[14:52:29] <Althego> remember when the
seek bar thing wassnt hidden? ermember when there were no stupid
buttons you never wanted to press but accidentally did because of
the seek bar?
L75[14:53:12] <Mat2ch> I like the hiding
seek bar. But it is fiddely sometimes
L76[14:53:29] <Mat2ch> but making things
worse is everywhere a problem.
L77[14:53:46] <Mat2ch> People always try to
improve things and break things in the process, which is
annoying.
L78[14:54:00] <Mat2ch> In German we have a
word for that: Verschlimmbessern.
L79[14:54:15] <Mat2ch> Trying to make
something better, but making it worse.
L80[14:54:35] <Althego> there were 2 things
that were actually good
L81[14:54:39] <Althego> the loop
option
L82[14:54:48] <Althego> and the chapters on
the seek bar
L83[14:54:55] <Althego> all the others just
annoy me
L84[14:55:02] <Althego> and wish i could
turn them off
L85[14:56:27] <packbart> Althego: the
youtube streams auto-start for me
L86[14:56:35] <Althego> they never do
L87[14:56:47] <Althego> a few years ago
they did
L88[14:57:00] <Althego> so they started,
heard the music and knew i need to switch
L89[14:57:00] <packbart> they do here.
maybe you're holding it wrong :)
L90[14:57:26] <packbart> I did click the
play icon after opening the link, though
L91[14:57:39] <FLHerne> T-2:30
L92[14:58:06] <packbart> but that's just
browsers enforcing an action
L93[14:58:08] <Mat2ch> there is no play
icon, if the stream is waiting
L94[14:58:13] <packbart> there was
L95[14:58:16] <Mat2ch> not for me
L96[14:58:24] <Mat2ch> just "Stream
starts in 2 hours" and so on
L97[14:58:26] <Mat2ch> couting down
L98[14:58:45] <packbart> and a play icon in
the middle of the window
L99[14:59:27] <packbart> browsers don't
allow autoplay without click anymore
L100[14:59:41] <Mat2ch> no play button for
me :(
L101[14:59:53] <Althego> 10
L102[15:01:04] <Althego> bendy rocket,
mustbe rolling shutter
L103[15:01:14] <Althego> or ksp physics
:)
L104[15:07:04] <Althego> something was
under the first stage
L105[15:07:08] <Althego> was quite
big
L106[15:07:15] <Althego> maybe the
fairing?
L107[15:10:06] <Althego> there was even a
live landing video, and didnt cut out
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L109[15:48:14] <Mat2ch> aaaand the video
passed 80 mio vies.
L110[15:48:16] <Mat2ch> *views
L111[15:55:08] <Althego> and they got
image from the middle of nowhere
L112[15:57:14] <Althego> deployment is
starting
L113[15:58:02] <Mat2ch> 18 minute
deployment sequence. what
L114[15:58:37] <Althego> 143
satellites
L115[15:58:45] <Althego> 10
starlinks
L116[16:01:04] <Althego> that's no moon
:)
L117[16:02:13] <Mat2ch> what is it?
L118[16:02:24] <Althego> probably the
moon
L119[16:02:37] <Althego> but obi wan said
that's no moon :)
L120[16:04:21] <Mat2ch> I'm probably the
only person on the planet who is annoyed by Star Wars references
:P
L121[16:08:32] <Mat2ch> ok, it is the
Moon
L122[16:10:50] <Mat2ch> "loss of
coverage" - flies over Russia.
L123[16:10:51] <Mat2ch> weeeellll
L124[16:11:18] <Althego> probably after a
while they convert the telemetry to starlink
L125[16:15:00] <Mat2ch> will starlink be
high enough for this?
L126[16:15:52] <Althego> ahhmm, probably
no
L127[16:15:58] <Althego> and the antennase
face downwards
L128[16:16:09] <Althego> this is actualyl
higher than the iss
L129[16:29:02] <FLHerne> It does seem like
a bit of a space-junk-fest
L130[16:29:32] <Althego> at that altitude
it is going to take a while for them to fal lbacvk
L131[16:29:43] <FLHerne> >100
unpowered, hard-to-detect smallsats in an orbit where decay will
take decades+
L132[16:30:09] <FLHerne> Hm, maybe not
that long
L133[16:30:16] <FLHerne> I forgot how low
the ISS actually is :p
L134[16:33:35] <Mat2ch> some of thos sat
have thrusters
L135[16:33:44] <Althego> but most
not
L136[16:33:48] <Mat2ch> and some vendors
even throw them actively down into the atmosphere at their
EOL
L137[16:33:54] <Althego> at 10 cm size
they are still trackable
L138[16:34:43] <Althego> the problem is,
even a mm sized piece can make a hole on a spacecraft or a space
suit
L139[16:48:47] <FLHerne> Althego: I think
the issue is that they're still observable, but it's hard to
distinguish them from each other
L140[16:49:33] <FLHerne> Althego: And if
they get mixed up between observations the projected tracks are all
wrong
L141[17:26:25] <minas_tirith> Space is a
harsh place
L142[17:26:45] <Althego> the moon is a
harsh mistress
L143[17:26:51] <minas_tirith> Space debris
is certainly an interesting problem
L144[17:27:58] <minas_tirith> Althego, how
do they watch 10cm pieces in orbit?
L145[17:28:06] <Althego> probably
radar
L146[17:28:07] <minas_tirith> The orbit is
a huge region and 10cm is tiny
L148[17:29:27] <Althego> hehe i love
this
L149[17:29:32] <minas_tirith> Do you ever
think if some hypothetical higher species exists, and they see our
comparatively primitive space technology what would they think?
Perhaps space debris and similar problems are "essentially
solved" for them, and they find us still at a peculiar and
primitve stage.
L150[17:30:09] <packbart> "just use
your natural force field, duh"
L151[17:30:27] <Althego> what did q say?
just change the gravitational constant of the univers?
L153[17:31:05] <minas_tirith> These funny
nuclear armed apes
L154[17:31:16] <packbart> tune your matter
out-of-phase with the debris
L155[17:31:41] <minas_tirith> We know with
our present physics only four fundamental forces and just one kind
of electromagnetic wave
L156[17:31:59] <Althego> one kind?
L157[17:32:20] <minas_tirith> There was a
time when electromagnetic waves were unknown to us, it could be
possible at some future period we discover a new communication
technique/physical phenomenon
L158[17:32:36] <Althego> funny, because we
can literally see them :)
L159[17:32:47] <minas_tirith> Althego, to
the mathematician I think all waves can be treated similarly
L160[17:32:55] <minas_tirith> Althego, we
can see light but its electromagnetic nature wasn't known
L161[17:34:23] <Mat2ch> 10 cm is tiny?
Some say they need a Ferrari because of that.
L162[17:35:01] <Althego> in plasma em
waves can be longitudinal
L163[17:35:09] <Althego> lol
L164[17:35:20] <minas_tirith> Plasma is an
obscure phenomenon
L165[17:36:03] <Althego>
Magnetohydrodynamics combines the intuitive nature of Maxwell's
equations with the easy solvability of the Navier-Stokes equations.
It's so straightforward physicists add "relativistic" or
"quantum" just to keep it from getting boring.
L166[17:36:07] <Althego> (from xkcd)
L167[17:37:08] <packbart> just pay the
demon
L168[17:37:08] <minas_tirith> Physics is a
very complex and subtle thing
L169[17:39:05] <minas_tirith> packbart, I
don't understand math or physics
L170[17:39:15] <minas_tirith> Too high iq
stuff
L171[17:40:09] <Althego> not a problem as
long as you dont became a flat earther
L172[17:40:17] <minas_tirith> Regarding
navier-stokes and so on, thinking in 3d is extremely tough
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L179[17:48:03] <minas_tirith>
UmbralRaptop, bro
L180[17:48:09] <minas_tirith> Math is
scary
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L183[18:09:45] <raptop> < packbart>
"just use your natural force field, duh" <-- Don't
tell them about the AT fields!
L184[18:10:22] <Althego> hehehe
L185[18:10:35] <Althego> at least they
keep you from turning into orange goo
L186[18:10:52] <minas_tirith> hey raptop
have you read that hypnos story
L187[18:10:59] <raptop> mmm...
tang...
L188[18:11:32] <minas_tirith> where some
guy apparently meets someone in a railway station, they do drugs
and the other one vanishes one day into some eldritch
dimension
L189[18:13:44] <minas_tirith> raptop,
creepy stuff
L190[18:13:50] <minas_tirith> I was
wondering what you think of it
L191[18:14:26] <minas_tirith> Do you think
he was real or just something that sculptor guy made up when he
went nuts from drugs?
L192[18:15:56] <raptop> probably something
a scultpor guy just made up
L193[18:17:48] <minas_tirith> raptop,
there might be some weight to that interpretation. Given that the
Kadath story ends much less ambiguously hinting the hero dies from
a drug overdose.
L194[18:18:13] <minas_tirith> But of
course, one can't always be justifying in using a diff story to
draw parallels
L195[18:18:26] <minas_tirith>
*justified
L196[18:23:55] <raptop> ah, I misread /
wasn't picking up on this being in-universe
L197[18:27:26] <minas_tirith> raptop, so
yeah how do you interpret the hypnos story
L198[18:28:55] *
raptop would need to reread, though I have some stuff coming up
this afternoon
L199[18:29:10] <minas_tirith> Yeah do
reread Hypnos
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L201[18:32:28] <minas_tirith> Hi
sasamj
L202[18:33:05] <sasamj> Yellow
L203[18:33:55] <Althego> mazurka
L204[18:34:54] <Althego> (in the c64 game
gunship, i think as a form of early drm, during landing you were
prompted a password, and you needed to reply with its pair to not
be shot down, mazurka had the reply word yellow)
L205[18:35:34] <minas_tirith> Althego, do
you think punk beats could be derived from european dances?
L206[18:35:49] <minas_tirith> I have a
vague feeling you can derive a d-beat from some euro dance
L207[18:35:58] <minas_tirith> without too
much modification
L208[18:36:43] <Althego> insert meme
"i have no strong feelings one way or the other"
L209[18:38:24] <minas_tirith> Althego, do
you know any jamaicans
L210[18:39:44] <Althego> no
L211[18:39:58] <Althego> but we still dont
know if you have been in a turkish pprison or not
L212[18:40:26] <minas_tirith> I don't
think I have
L213[18:41:27] <minas_tirith> Whats your
opinion on racism? It is interesting to note the earlier forms of
punk spawned more racists than the newer styles, which is a bit
ironic given that it is said that proto-punk took from jamaican
rhythms
L214[18:44:18] <Althego> racism is dumb
and harmful, and should not be discussed here
L215[18:44:38] <minas_tirith> Yeah, I
think racism is not good
L216[19:01:26] <umaxtu> thats an
understatement
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L222[21:04:38] <Sup> How can you get your
rocket into orbit and how do you know if you escaped Kerbins
gravity?
L223[21:05:59] <FLHerne> Go up, gravity
turn until you're going sideways, when your periapsis is >70km
you're good
L224[21:06:27] <raptop> Yeah, horizontal
speed is good (the map view gives the information in a clear
way)
L225[21:06:29] <FLHerne> (because lower
than that air resistance will slow you down)
L226[21:07:59] <FLHerne> On bodies with no
atmosphere you can orbit just by going really fast sideways at
ground level, but watch out for mountains
L227[21:08:33] <raptop> For some speed
numbers, a 70 km altitude circular orbit has a speed of 2296 m/s. A
100 km altitude circular orbit has a speed of 2246 m/s.
L228[21:08:57] <raptop> (around Kerbin.
Typical speeds around the smaller planets/moons can be much
lower)
L232[21:17:49] <raptop> ;mission
list
L234[21:19:19] <raptop> ;mission add You
buy copper from Ea-Nasir for use in the high temperature parts of
your rocket.
L235[21:19:19] <LunchBot> raptop: Added
mission: You buy copper from Ea-Nasir for use in the high
temperature parts of your rocket.
L236[21:21:45] *
raptop is curious as to if Sup has reached orbit
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L244[21:43:15] <Guest64399> Just kind of
stuck. I'm no KSP expert but I thought the proper keyboard stroke
to hit was the "space" key to launch a rocket. The
scenario I'm trying to run is that Apollo 13-like mission. When I
hit the space key the ship shifts but does not ignite. What am I
doing wrong, please?
L245[21:43:29] <umaxtu> throttle up?
L246[21:43:37] <Mat2ch> umaxtu: you were
faster :D
L247[21:43:53] <Mat2ch> What is the
default key for throtteling up? Shift?
L248[21:43:57] <umaxtu> which is actually
a bad thing since I'm supposed to be doing homework
L249[21:44:02] <umaxtu> should be
shift
L250[21:47:48] <raptop> left shift
throttles up, left control throttles down, z is max throttle, x is
no throttle
L251[21:47:51] <raptop> IIRC
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L256[22:16:30] <raptop> Guess we'll never
know if we solved Guest's problems
L257[22:19:34] <JVFoxy> I wouldn't worry
about it too much
L258[22:19:58] <JVFoxy> probably wasn't
/that/ big an issue if they didn't want to stick around long
enough
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L260[22:23:19] <packbart> ah, I see new
ssettings. Maybe unchecking "Kerbals stop at end of
ladder" removes the EVA phantom forces for now. I'll try
that
L261[22:24:03] <JVFoxy> ever get them to
shuffle sideways on ladders yet?
L262[22:24:09] <packbart> "Spooky
Navigation Markers" - I wonder what that does
L263[22:24:34] <JVFoxy> But ya.. also hate
that weird 'invisible force shoves kerbal along ladder' issue...
while in space. :(
L264[22:24:37] <packbart> JVFoxy: no, but
now in early career on a light craft, the EVA'd kerbal causes the
pod to rotate faster and faster
L265[22:25:36] <packbart> otoh, I could
reactivate the patch that swaps biome-specific experiments of EVA
Report and Crew Report
L266[22:25:52] <packbart> let them report
their biome sightings from the safety of the capsule
L267[22:25:55] <JVFoxy> I know with the
Mk1 pod, just the pilot, goes EVA, hangs on the side. Sometimes
slides, but also ends up putting pod in slow rotation. The rotation
I don't have quite the issue with. I'm usually not out long enough
for it to build up if it puts that sort of force on things
L268[22:26:21] <raptop> I swear, the force
will alter orbits in lots of cases
L269[22:26:25] <JVFoxy> lol.. reading up
Gemini space program. Why can't you have kerbal standing outside
the door? Oh wait.. n/m, not designed that way
L270[22:26:38] <raptop> So hanging out
over Kerbin or the mun collecting EVA reports gets a bit
fraught
L271[22:26:46] <JVFoxy> ... outside.. or
standing in the doorway.. or ugh whatever
L272[22:26:50] <packbart> raptop: it does
- but they mostly cancel out after a rotation
L273[22:27:04] <raptop> 'mostly'
L274[22:27:40] <JVFoxy> by the time I get
to orbiting Mun, I'd be using the 3 person crew pod.. I guess
having a solo going out that far just seems a bit too..
isolation-ist
L275[22:27:58] <packbart> yeah, not greate
if you have a maneuver node planned
L276[22:29:06] <JVFoxy> tiny little force
-> pushes orbit miles off projections.. oops
L277[22:29:32] <JVFoxy> seem to recall
some cases, reaction wheels trying to null things out would also
mess with things
L278[22:30:07] <packbart> "// Swap
Crew report and EVA report biome-dependence in space low" -
ah, there it is
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L280[22:31:27] <JVFoxy> I started thinking
about a mod that adds some real world early experiments the crew
would do from inside. Although, would probably also have to make
research cost a bit more to balance things out a little
L281[22:31:59] <raptop> Hrm, the longest
duration Mercury mission was only 34 hours
L282[22:32:12] <packbart> JVFoxy: the Mun
isn't that far away and they've got radio to chat with KSC ;)
L283[22:32:34] <raptop> Yeah, it's what, a
6 hour transfer orbit?
L284[22:32:34] <JVFoxy> Gemini 8, sea
urchin experiment in 0g. Trouble was, one of the crew snapped the
handle off by accident. Turns out, the setup was different on the
ground than the one that was sent up. :\
L285[22:32:38] <packbart> I just started a
new career without Kerbalism. The freedom of going to the Mun and
back on a single pod charge
L286[22:32:54] <JVFoxy> 6 hours is like 1
day on kerbin, isn't it?
L287[22:32:57] <packbart> also might just
send an interplanetary expedition on command chairs just for the
lulz
L288[22:33:24] <JVFoxy> we going to mars,
in a ... shack with a rocket motor
L289[22:34:11] <packbart> I've been
playing with life support for so long, it feels odd not to pack
supplies
L290[22:34:20] <raptop> Hrm,
misremembering I guess. More like a 15 hour transfer?
L291[22:34:32] <packbart> I might go back
to TacLS or look at one the mods I didn't test yet
L292[22:35:27] <JVFoxy> TacLS one of the
mods I played with, though sometimes I feel its a tad over
powered?
L293[22:35:30] <raptop> Looks like a 3-day
flight was considered for the Mercury program at one time
L294[22:36:10] <JVFoxy> raptop ya.. though
when they got the last flight back, found the pilot had some blood
pressure issues from sitting in the chair for so long
L296[22:36:37] <packbart> not very
efficient ascend or landing. but eh, it worked
L297[22:37:02] <JVFoxy> meant to have fun,
not spend hours optimizing things.. I'd think
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L299[22:37:24] <raptop> OTOH, yes. OTOH,
Kerbal Excel Program can be fun
L300[22:39:32] <JVFoxy> Ferram mod, while
made things more realistic, was in the early days a nightmare to
get things working
L301[22:41:05] <packbart> I have a
personal rule not to use spreadsheets for games. Every time I think
"I could make a table..." I say "No! You're getting
in too deep!" :)
L302[22:41:46] *
raptop >_>;;
L303[22:42:18] <packbart> I've seen people
making extensive spreadsheets for Ingress. Even in Fishing Planet,
there are detailed logs about lake terrain mappings and which fish
bites where in what weather, etc
L304[22:43:33] <JVFoxy> I've made a few
notes on ideas I wanna do in KSP but that's as far as it went.
Sometimes I wish I had kept more notes for when I hadn't played in
a while. Forget what I was originally doing in a career
L305[22:46:38] <raptop> Oh, different
Ingress
L306[22:47:14] <JVFoxy> Ingress... the
pre-Pokemon Go game? (But uses same database)
L307[22:47:30] <packbart> yeah, the Google
Game that makes people go outside for a change
L308[22:47:43] <packbart> I haven't played
in years, though
L309[22:48:10] <JVFoxy> I keep forgetting
what its called..
L310[22:48:35] <JVFoxy> last I heard,
there is now a Harry Potter type thing that uses the same database
too
L311[22:52:20] <raptop> Yeah, that
Ingress
L312[22:52:32] *
raptop also hasn't played since, uh, before that
revamp
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wanted to stop at Canada's last railroad spike for an Ingress
portal
L315[22:54:45] <raptop> hah
L316[22:55:09] <raptop> back when I lived
in the KC area, I played fairly regularly and submitted a bunch of
random statues etc
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