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L38[08:14:36] <Althego> interesting
L39[08:14:55] <Althego> but also funny that
white dwarves are pale orange
L40[08:17:17] <raptop> You have to dig into
the links in the paper, but they've got lists of hexadecimal codes
for black bodies and stars of various metallicities
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L47[09:16:07] <Mat2ch> I have a confession
to make. I always skip the sunrise part of the NSF videos from Boca
Chica, because I hate sunrises. :P
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L50[09:20:17] <Althego> i always skip most
of the video, just click through it
L51[09:31:34] <Mat2ch> I do that as
well
L52[09:31:40] <Mat2ch> they're almost at
SN20...
L53[09:31:50] <Mat2ch> I wonder if SN17 is
already built with 3mm steel
L54[09:36:13] <Althego> somebody must go in
and check it with a caliper :)
L55[09:38:15] <packbart> I only watch the
Boca Chica stream if something interesting is going on ;)
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L58[09:52:47] <Mat2ch> Oh, Virgin Orbit did
make it to orbit?
L59[09:53:23] <JVFoxy> what I
heard...
L60[09:53:36] <JVFoxy> read...
L61[09:53:44] <Althego> yes they did
L62[09:54:04] <Althego> now only the
container rocket guy in alaska need to make it too
L63[09:54:10] <Althego> they almost did it
last time
L64[09:54:14] <JVFoxy> ... container rocket
guy?
L65[09:54:17] <JVFoxy> lol
L66[09:55:09] <Mat2ch> Astra!
L67[09:55:15] <Mat2ch> Yes, very
interesting concept!
L68[09:56:34] <Althego> guys
L69[09:56:38] <Althego> but yes astra
L70[09:56:41] <Althego> i didnt remember
the name
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L73[09:59:06] <JVFoxy> seems a friend of
mine been trying out KSP, can't quite get it to orbit yet, can only
do a few launches before needing a break from the game
L74[09:59:49] <Mat2ch> Well, send some
links to Scott Manley videos. :D
L75[10:02:02] <JVFoxy> with how many videos
Scott has racked up so far...
L76[10:02:41] <Mat2ch> Just the basics. Not
ALL of them :D
L77[10:02:44] <Althego> scotts kerbal
videos may be really outdated
L78[10:02:50] <Althego> physics
changed
L79[10:02:54] <Althego> lot of things
changed
L80[10:03:03] <JVFoxy> its ok, we don't
talk too much about things, not sure its really a big thing for
them. Probably only got the game because saw I was into it.
L81[10:04:43] <JVFoxy> mind you, 3 months
of not playing, I totally forgot all the things I was doing in my
career modes. Ended up starting from scratch again. Big whoops when
I boosted Val into higher polar orbit. Just enough fuel to get her
orbit back down but that was it.
L82[10:05:18] <JVFoxy> she's not stuck, I
did send up a robotic booster to dock with her. Just waiting for
KSP to swing around again.
L83[10:05:32] <Althego> i am waiting for
1.11.1
L84[10:05:41] <Althego> which may not
come
L85[10:05:51] <Althego> career takes a lot
out of me
L86[10:06:15] <Althego> and it takes weeks
in real time to collect all the biome data around kerbin and its
moons
L87[10:06:28] <JVFoxy> originally I sent
her up with a docking port, Jeb went up, got the first docking
milestones. Jeb came back with all the biomes in low space. (ya
dock'n with no RCS, not really a challenge for me now)
L88[10:06:38] <minas_tirith> Hewwo
JVFoxy
L89[10:07:22] <JVFoxy> I can get orbit on
my second launch...
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L91[10:07:51] <Althego> i have to be
careful to not go into orbit in my first :)
L92[10:08:22] <JVFoxy> my first is just a
500m hop with the SRBs to get some science points
L93[10:08:36] <Althego> the problem is if i
want to get all the atmo low high space low high things, the rocket
cant carry all that stuff (sci jr and goo)
L94[10:08:46] <Althego> so i have to do two
launches
L95[10:08:52] <Althego> and one just
collects the atmo thing
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L97[10:09:54] <JVFoxy> I tend to avoid the
'one mission to do it all' sort of thing. Ya, it makes for slower
progression but eh...
L98[10:10:34] <JVFoxy> minas_tirith
hi
L99[10:10:52] <minas_tirith> JVFoxy, space
is so creepy man
L100[10:11:12] <Althego> luckily the
quantum woo guy didnt come back since then. technically could, by
changing the username
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L102[10:11:19] <minas_tirith> The vast
emptiness between the galaxies
L103[10:11:26] <Althego> still going on
about that?
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L105[10:11:52] <minas_tirith> The horrors
of an empty cosmos
L106[10:11:53] <JVFoxy> the wha...?
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L108[10:13:58] <Althego> a form of phobia
i guess?
L109[10:14:01] <Althego>
agoraphobia?
L110[10:14:26] <minas_tirith> JVFoxy,
space is either millions of light years of cosmic void or ultra
violent cosmic deathstorms
L111[10:15:33] <JVFoxy> quantum woo guy
huh?
L112[10:15:37] <Mat2ch> If you are afraid
of space you really should watch The Expanse to make it worse.
:D
L113[10:16:19] <JVFoxy> problem with The
Expanse, binge watching the two seasons to get caught up, now it
sad because I have to wait a week for each episodes :\
L114[10:16:48] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch,
thanks
L115[10:19:24] <minas_tirith> Pretty
creepy how supposedly denser regions like nebulae are also extreme
rarefied
L116[10:25:26] <JVFoxy> 93 billion light
year sphere around us: the size of what we consider the observable
universe
L118[10:29:20] <Althego> it took a while
for ccds and other semiconductor devices to catch up
L119[10:29:40] <Althego> for star
photometry pm tubes are still in use
L120[10:30:19] <JVFoxy> note: visible vs
observable universe....
L121[10:30:37] <Althego> i am waiting for
the final book of expanse
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L125[10:49:15] <minas_tirith> Althego, I
just find it surprising how good the optics and tracking of that
period was
L126[10:49:29] <Althego>
"tracking"
L127[10:49:40] <Althego> you literally
need to move one axis in a steady speed
L128[10:49:53] <minas_tirith> In
theory
L129[10:50:20] <minas_tirith> In practice
its quite tough to keep the telescope fixed and moreover at these
powers we might have to start dealing with deviations from the
ideal circular/elliptial orbit assumptions
L130[10:50:26] <Althego> we do not live on
a flat earth
L131[10:50:37] <minas_tirith> So?
L132[10:50:48] <Althego> so the speed does
not need to change :)
L133[10:51:03] <minas_tirith> Neither
earth nor its orbit is a perfect sphere/ellipse
L134[10:51:11] <Althego> doesnt
matter
L135[10:51:22] <Althego> in the short term
it rotates in a steady speed
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L138[10:51:37] <minas_tirith> How does it
not? If there are deviations from the ideal rotation, it might
affect very high powers telescope
L139[10:51:52] <Althego> you need to track
the moon
L140[10:51:55] <minas_tirith> And again as
I said, keeping it mechanically steady probably isn't as easy as
the theory makes us think
L141[10:52:08] <Althego> that is moving,
visible to the eye compared to the background stars
L142[10:52:09] <minas_tirith> Yeah I am
guessing they could put a finder scope above that tracks some fixed
star with manual adjustments
L143[10:52:15] <Althego> but you dont need
long exposure there
L144[10:52:17] <minas_tirith> to
"correct" the tracking errors
L145[10:52:28] <Althego> but anythign
else
L146[10:52:30] <minas_tirith> I meant wrt
several hour long photos
L147[10:52:40] <Althego> is basically too
slow and too far away to matter for a photo
L148[10:53:12] <Althego> i am talking
about natuiral objects. satellite tracking is a whole other
business
L149[10:53:38] <minas_tirith> >The
first known attempt at astronomical photography was by Louis
Jacques Mandé Daguerre, inventor of the daguerreotype process which
bears his name, who attempted in 1839 to photograph the Moon.
Tracking errors in guiding the telescope during the long exposure
meant the photograph came out as an indistinct fuzzy spot.
L150[10:53:46] <minas_tirith> This shows
it isn't as simple as we think
L151[10:53:58] <Althego> for the
moon
L152[10:54:03] <Althego> what i explicitly
stated
L153[10:54:07] <minas_tirith> Ok moon
orbit is a bit complex
L154[10:54:19] <minas_tirith> due to its
closeness and the fact its rotating itself
L155[10:54:38] <Althego> and the
Daguerreotype needed a really long exposure
L156[10:55:27] <Althego> even wet plates
were used for astronomy just fine
L157[10:56:05] <Althego> and as i said,
those already had superior resolution to ccds
L158[10:56:43] <minas_tirith> When was ccd
imaging invented
L159[10:56:57] <minas_tirith> and when did
it surpass traditional photography in quality
L160[10:56:59] <Althego> optics, is a
different thing. it is always hard to make a good lense
L161[10:57:17] <Althego> especially a lens
you design for a specific purpose
L162[10:57:19] <minas_tirith> Yeah the
telescope optics part is also fascinating how clear a photo of the
andromeda he was able to take
L163[10:57:26] <minas_tirith> as well as
the optics of the camera too
L164[10:57:30] <minas_tirith> which is an
even subtler problem
L165[10:57:36] <Althego> andromeda is huse
btw
L166[10:57:48] <minas_tirith> Ray
calculation must have been a very laborious and lengthy process
back then
L167[10:57:54] <Althego> i havent seen it,
as i am city dweller
L168[10:58:23] <Althego> luckily mirrors
help you out, so since newton there were good mirror
telescopes
L169[10:58:37] <minas_tirith> Althego, as
for good city targets, have you ever tried a sun projection?
L170[10:59:48] <Althego> no
L171[11:00:31] <minas_tirith> what scope
do you have
L172[11:01:03] <Althego> my wave function
is global to the universe :)
L173[11:01:52] <minas_tirith> I am not
mathematical enough to understand the joke orry
L174[11:02:33] <Althego> scope in
programming is where you can find something. global can be found
anywhere
L175[11:03:00] <minas_tirith> you are
local to a place, humans aren't global
L177[11:03:45] <Althego> but the
probability from wave function needs to be 1 for the whole
universe, in that sense i am globabl
L178[11:04:12] <Althego> there is always a
small chance that a macroscopic object teleports
L179[11:04:20] <Althego> so small it is
probably never going to happen
L180[11:05:09] <minas_tirith> Althego,
uwu
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L184[11:22:28] <minas_tirith> Althego, how
do you feel about the riffs in a blaze in the northern sky?
L185[11:22:48] <Althego> i am running out
of the joey questions
L186[11:22:59] <minas_tirith> Althego,
darkthrone album
L187[11:24:57] <Althego> sounds like noise
to me
L188[11:27:05] <Althego> minas_tirith: do
you like kennedy steve's face the front joke?
L189[11:27:15] <minas_tirith> I'll have to
listen to it
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L191[11:27:49] <minas_tirith> Althego, its
not noise...its very atmospheric and unique
L193[11:28:43] <minas_tirith> Yes that was
the first reuslt
L194[11:29:49] <Althego> i even gave you
timestamp
L195[11:30:11] <minas_tirith> Yes I'll
listen to it thanks
L196[11:43:04] <minas_tirith> Althego,
thanks
L198[12:01:22] <minas_tirith> Althego, do
you scare yourself?
L199[12:06:09] <Mat2ch> Althego: it's sad
that the novels 7 to 9 aren't made into a show :/
L200[12:06:32] <Althego> also i heard one
of the actors is sacked before the last season
L201[12:06:37] <Mat2ch> well, maybe they
will make it into one, but as another show, since it plays almost
30 years after the other books
L202[12:06:44] <Mat2ch> sacked?
L203[12:06:47] <Althego> fired
L204[12:07:09] <Mat2ch> probably Cas
Anvar
L205[12:08:00] <Althego> but in general i
didnt follow what happens with the series
L206[12:08:11] <Althego> maybe after i
retire i will watch it
L207[12:08:27] <Althego> just like i will
watch the new bsg
L208[12:08:34] <Althego> or the whole of
babylon 5
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L226[15:11:38] <Mat2ch> I don't know how
true it is, but rumour has it that SpaceX might do a static fire
today and if successful a flight tomorrow.
L227[15:11:48] <Mat2ch> but this are only
rumours.
L228[15:12:24] <Althego> they can
L229[15:12:27] <Althego> !road
L230[15:12:29] <Kerbot> Althego =>
Primary; Monday, Jan 11, 2021; 8:00 am to 5:00 pm; Canceled |
Secondary; Tuesday, Jan 12, 2021; 2:30 am to 8:00 pm; Scheduled |
Secondary; Wednesday, Jan 13, 2021; 8:00 am to 5:00 pm; Scheduled |
Primary; Thursday, January 14, 2021; 8:00 am to 5:00 pm; Canceled |
Primary; Monday, January 18, 2021; 8:00 am to 5:00 pm; Scheduled |
Secondary; Tuesday, Jan 19, 2021; 8:00 am to 5:00 pm; Scheduled |
Secondary; Wednesday, Jan 20, 2021;
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L244[18:18:37] <Althego> lol i didnt know
about the trolling saruman joke until now
L245[18:25:44] *
raptop thought saruman got ented, not trolled
L246[18:25:47] <raptop> <_<
>_>
L247[18:26:10] <Althego> hehe
L248[18:33:34] <baguette> Althego, whats
the joke
L250[18:40:26] *
raptop chooses to believe that this is canon
L251[18:43:13] <baguette> Althego, its
genius
L252[18:44:50] <Althego> it is
perfect
L253[18:45:08] <baguette> I love the way
how he continues to sing non-chalantly as he is shot and falling
down
L254[18:45:25] <Althego> and stops
suddenly with a thud
L255[18:45:33] <baguette> Yes
L256[18:46:04] <Althego> cracks me up
every time
L257[18:46:27] <baguette> The way it
sounds like a scratched up old record from the 50s
L258[18:46:59] <Althego> wait, you dont
know the trololo guy?
L259[18:47:07] <baguette> I don't know the
band
L260[18:47:36] <Althego> the recording
could have been in the 70s, because it was colored
L262[18:48:05] <Althego> this is an
interent meme in its own right
L263[18:48:09] <baguette> Oh it says in
the youtubes detection
L264[18:48:15] <baguette> its some song
from a band called bjork
L265[18:48:53] <baguette> yeah the vid is
colored
L266[18:48:55] <baguette> so its not that
ancient
L267[18:49:16] <baguette> Althego, but it
really kinda sounded like those creepy old songs in that sound
collage band
L268[18:49:18] <baguette> what was it
called
L269[18:49:20] <baguette> Caretaker
L270[18:49:21] <baguette> yeah
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L273[18:52:26] <baguette> Althego, that
project is really creepy
L274[18:52:35] <baguette> eriophora, have
you heard the caretaker sound collage
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L276[18:54:22] <baguette> Its an
interesting concept, a pastiche of various "cheap" older
music; probably kinda invented the concept of synthwave before
synthwave
L277[18:56:09] <baguette> eriophora,
Althego I must warn you its rather gloomy stuff
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L279[18:58:10] <baguette> VanDisaster,
creepy music dude
L281[19:00:56] <baguette> It turns into
some rather good dark ambient toward the end
L282[19:00:59] <baguette> ie stage 6
L283[19:02:01] <raptop> "stage
6" makes it sound like you're going to face a 東方 boss
L284[19:02:44] <baguette> What is
that?
L285[19:02:46] <baguette> I don't know
chinese
L286[19:02:58] <raptop> touhou
>_>
L287[19:03:01] <Althego> !jap 東方
L288[19:03:02] <Kerbot> Althego => 東方
[とうほう]: (n,adj-no) (1) eastern direction; (2) the Orient; (P) :: 東方
[ひがしがた]: (n,adj-no) (1) eastern direction; (2) the Orient
L289[19:03:02] <baguette> Oh
L290[19:03:09] <baguette> Bullet hells are
pretty
L291[19:05:16] <raptop> hrm, I'm
definitely not in the right mode for caretaker sound collage
music
L292[19:07:00] <baguette> raptop, which
one did you try
L293[19:07:20] <raptop> that section 6 of
the one you linked
L294[19:07:58] <baguette> stage 6 is in a
different vid
L295[19:08:01] <baguette> my link was of
stage 1
L296[19:08:58] <raptop> ah
L297[19:08:59] <baguette> stage 6 is very
distended dark ambient drones
L298[19:09:20] <baguette> stage 1 is
clearly identifiable as pastiche of 20s-50s random musics
L299[19:09:28] <baguette> 1920s-1950s that
is
L300[19:17:51] <baguette> raptop, death is
handled in different ways by different bands
L301[19:18:27] <baguette> Death metal for
instance handles it as a dark, circuitous path with a sharp ending
that resolves the puzzle started by the riffs before
L302[19:18:48] <baguette> This on the
other hand handles it as a gradual fading/disintegration
L303[19:22:51] <raptop> hrm
L304[19:24:05] <baguette> raptop, its very
gloomy/creepy stuff
L305[19:24:08] <baguette> How did stage 1
make you feel?
L306[19:24:38] <raptop> baguette: like I
was wandering through a historical building and/or museum
L307[19:24:46] <baguette> Exactly
L308[19:25:10] <Rokker> museum
L309[19:25:37] <baguette> raptop, the
musician has stated the project is a representation of
dementia
L310[19:25:57] <baguette> and ultimately
concluding in complete metal dissolution/death
L311[19:26:06] <baguette> Hi Rokker
L312[19:26:23] <Rokker> hi
L313[19:26:25] <Mod9000> Hello,
Rokker
L314[19:26:30] <Rokker> not you
L315[19:27:05] <baguette> Why "not
you"
L316[19:27:57] <raptop> hi, Mod9000
bot
L317[19:28:10] <Althego> it's back
L318[19:28:13] <Rokker> baguette: can't
trust bots
L319[19:29:50] <raptop> The bot does
automated greetings for some things as a way to keep webchat
questioners around long enough for us to have a chance to
answer
L320[19:30:07] <Althego> and always
replies to me instead
L321[19:30:56] <Rokker> raptop: I miss the
days when someone would join, say hello, and then leave 5 seconds
later
L322[19:31:00] <Rokker> the good old
days
L323[19:31:05] <Althego> that still
happens
L324[19:31:22] <Rokker> oh, good
L325[19:31:42] <Althego> but there is an
overall decline
L327[19:36:42] <Rokker> heh
L328[19:38:07] <Rokker> ill never move
this over to steam
L329[19:38:24] <Althego> i will never have
anything on steam
L330[19:38:36] <Rokker> eh
L331[19:38:40] <Rokker> most of my stuff
is on steam
L332[19:38:57] <Rokker> but i dont wanna
deal with the hassle of mods and stuff
L333[19:40:40] <Rokker> I've been meaning
to do a fresh install of Realism Overhaul for like... *checks
watch* a year and a half or so
L334[19:40:48] <Rokker> so I suppose I'll
do that
L335[19:45:04] <baguette> Rokker, I read
that as *cries watch*
L336[19:48:40] <raptop> I would recommend
against a water powered watch, as leaks can make it appear to
cry
L337[19:49:04] <Althego> and people come
and worship it as a miracle?
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L339[19:50:54] <raptop> Maybe
L340[19:50:58] <raptop> something
something Khronos
L341[19:51:48] <Althego> that's the vcr.
even i, chronos, master of all time, cannot adjust one of
those
L342[19:52:48] <baguette> Althego, 17th
and 18th century demonology texts have interesting art
L343[19:54:10] <Rokker> raptop: wanna
build a new Arecibo with me
L344[19:55:49] <Althego> baguette: the
voynich manuscript has strange illustrations too
L345[19:55:59] <Althego> so tomorrow
starlink?
L346[19:56:11] <Althego> starship and
electron didnt fly
L347[19:56:45] <baguette> Althego, when
was it written
L348[20:04:09] <Rokker> Althego:
LauncherOne flew at least
L349[20:04:22] <Althego> yes, nice
success
L350[20:04:36] <Althego> although i dont
know if they are going to find a market
L351[20:05:06] <Rokker> I think they
will
L352[20:05:14] <Rokker> not much of
one
L353[20:05:17] <Rokker> but they
will
L354[20:05:35] <Rokker> the smallest
market is becoming very oversaturated though
L355[20:15:17] <raptop> arecibo, but make
it bigger than FAST!
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L362[20:35:16] <Rokker> raptop: let's make
an arecibo but in space
L363[20:35:28] <Althego> on the moon
L364[20:35:39] <Althego> i want the crater
antenna
L365[20:36:12] <Rokker> let's turn the
moon into an actual crescent 🌙 and then turn that into the new
Arecibo
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L367[20:43:58] <darsie> Should I upgrade
to 1.11?
L368[20:46:52] <raptop> darsie: sure, why
not
L369[20:47:28] <darsie> I think some
reported some annoying bugs.
L370[20:47:29] <raptop> Rokker: Aitken
Basin Interferometer!
L371[20:47:46] <raptop> Yeah, I feel like
they might have missed something with ladders
L372[20:47:55] <darsie> Wanted to wait for
1.11.1
L373[20:48:30] <raptop> That would be a
fun version number
L374[20:49:24] <packbart> I've read about
some phantom forces caused by Kerbals on ladders
L375[20:50:51] <packbart> the flag thing
is probably the most obviously annoying. other than that it plays
well
L376[20:59:16] <FLHerne> They fixed the
fuel transfer bug, that makes up for all other annoying bugs put
together
L377[20:59:24] <FLHerne> And ladders are a
total pain anyway
L378[21:00:41] <packbart> I need ladders
for the Kourageous Tourists contract. They want to EVA on the Mun
but don't get jetpacks
L379[21:03:04] <darsie> Official tourist
EVA? :)
L380[21:03:25] <darsie> They can
jump.
L381[21:03:55] <packbart> not high
enough
L382[21:04:01] *
raptop imagines rappelling kerbals
L383[21:04:05] <darsie> Lay the rocket on
the ground.
L384[21:04:30] <packbart> I just use
ladders. That's what they're for :)
L385[21:04:43] <darsie> Ok, yeah, if they
work :)
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L387[21:10:00] <FLHerne> You could build
some sort of rocket catapult to fire them at the hatch
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L391[21:48:45] <raptop> Apparently the
suits weighed 200 lbs on earth
L392[21:48:51] <raptop> Call it 350 with
an astronaut inside
L393[21:49:20] <raptop> So, 58 lbs on the
moon, which, which is a big hassle to lift one-handed
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