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L15[02:40:26] <Neal> did they launch the
thing?
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L18[02:40:51] <darsie> define launch.
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L20[02:41:08] <darsie> They abortet at t+1s
or so.
L21[02:41:13] <darsie> aborted*
L22[02:41:32] <Neal> that seems like a
problematic time to abort
L23[02:41:43] <darsie> No fire, just
fog.
L24[02:41:58] <Neal> ignition is at t+0
right?
L25[02:42:07] <darsie> idk
L26[02:42:30] <darsie> Ignition of the
preburners or the combustion chamber?
L27[02:42:43] <Neal> I guess its not as cut
and dry as with SRBs
L28[02:43:09] <Neal> space shuttle was full
power on the SSMEs at like t-3 I guess
L29[02:43:56] <darsie> I guess they release
the clamps only at full nominal thrust.
L30[02:44:22] <darsie> Does SS or F9 use
clamps?
L31[02:44:50] <Neal> I don't see any clamps
on superheavy
L32[02:45:05] <Neal> from what I can tell
there was never any ignition on this attempt
L33[02:46:10] <darsie> Ignition of the
preburners or the combustion chamber?
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L35[02:47:34] <Neal> definitely not the
combustion chamber
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L37[02:50:35] <Neal> maybe preburners, it
did look like there was a lot of oxidizer being pumped through the
system
L38[02:51:22] <darsie> If the preburners
ignited, hot gas would reach the combustion chamber, IMHO, but it
looked cold as there was condensation.
L39[02:52:06] <Neal> they run lox through
it first before adding fuel right?
L40[02:52:41] <Neal> a bit of preburner
exhaust would probably get lost in that sea of lox pouring
out
L42[02:53:05] <Neal> compare to that
L43[02:58:47] <darsie> In a full flow cycle
all fuel/oxidizer is gasified in two preburners, so no lox enters
the combustion chamber. Unless maybe before preburner
ignition.
L45[03:01:32] <Neal> hmm I guess there was
a significant proportion of ch4 in there too then
L46[03:02:03] <Neal> maybe the preburners
never fired?
L47[03:03:22] <darsie> Maybe they just
starten engine chill and aborted before ignition.
L48[03:03:26] <darsie> started*
L49[03:03:40] <darsie> But engine chill
wouldn't start at t=0, IMO.
L50[03:04:41] <darsie> Is there even
something to chill? The fuel pumps?
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L52[03:05:06] <Neal> "A lot of the
white smoke you see is liquid oxygen being vented due to it warming
in the tank. the Engine chill is performed by flowing lox through
the plumbing in order to cool the lines slowly so that you do not
cold shock the metal and cause cracks. Most of the parts that are
involved with the engine chill do not see the flame and will not
heat up during the burn. source: I design Engine test stands for
NASA"
L53[03:05:17] <Neal> thats from a falcon 9
thread
L54[03:05:33] <Neal> so presumably all the
lines leading up to where actual combustion happens
L55[03:06:13] <darsie> ok
L56[03:06:55] <umaxtu> yeah, their is a lot
that happens in the ignition process prior to flames coming out the
nozzle
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L58[03:08:44] <darsie> I'd say it's not
liquid oxygen that's vented, but evaporated oxygen gas. And as it
mixes with air, water condenses, so it's fog (not smoke, unless the
water freezes), and not liquid oxygen fog/smoke in air.
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L67[03:23:26] <TwistenX> what's good
L68[03:25:04] <TwistenX> Is anybody willing
to talk at all?
L69[03:26:21] <TwistenX> WhY aM i AlWaYs
AlOnE wHeNeVeR i JoIn
L70[03:26:25] <umaxtu> I'm just going down
a youtube rabbit hole of old daily show clips
L71[03:26:33] <TwistenX> oh
L72[03:26:49] <TwistenX> Tank2333!
L73[03:27:07] <TwistenX> Mat2ch
L74[03:27:14] <TwistenX> flayer
L75[03:27:23] <TwistenX> Rokko
L76[03:27:29] <Tank2333> TwistenX... this
is not discord
L77[03:27:35] <TwistenX> I know
L78[03:27:41] <Tank2333> chill out
L79[03:28:01] <TwistenX> I'm just b o r e
d
L80[03:28:28] <TwistenX> I don't feel like
working on Kerbal Space Program 2D so I'm hanging out here
L81[03:29:22] <Tank2333> maybe play the 3d
version?
L82[03:29:28] <TwistenX> I don't have
it
L83[03:29:33] <TwistenX> Well, I do
L84[03:29:44] <TwistenX> But it's at my
Dad's house and I'm at my Mom's
L85[03:30:06] <Tank2333> i see
L86[03:30:13] <TwistenX> Yes
L87[03:30:27] <TwistenX> How did the
StarShip launch go?
L88[03:30:39] <Tank2333> well i have no
time cause in a few minutes im heading out for work
L89[03:30:48] <TwistenX> Oh bye
L90[03:30:51] <Tank2333> dont know, had to
go to bed
L91[03:31:04] <TwistenX> ah
L93[03:31:39] <Tank2333> looks like they
ddint launch
L94[03:33:11] <TwistenX> bro it got aborted
what the heck
L95[03:33:53] <TwistenX> That sucks
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L98[03:34:40] <TwistenX> Now we gotta wait
until tomorrow for the laucnh
L99[03:34:43] <TwistenX> launch*
L100[03:37:50] <TwistenX> I'm gonna go
draw some KSP art, see ya
L101[03:38:02] <TwistenX> I'll stay on the
IRC Chat tho
L102[03:51:09] <umaxtu> it does
occasionally get lively in here. I promise
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L104[03:55:47] <TwistenX> i know, i was
here a while ago and it was
L105[04:09:03] <darsie>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Raptor
"Both streams—oxidizer and fuel—will be mixed completely in
the gas phase before they enter the combustion chamber."
"The Raptor engine uses a large number of coaxial swirl
injectors" Why use coaxial swirl injectors when the fuel/ox
are already mixed?
L106[04:09:46] <umaxtu> even
distribution?
L107[04:09:57] <darsie> Don't need coaxial
for that.
L108[04:10:09] <darsie> And it's
gas.
L109[04:10:24] <TwistenX> What does
oxidizer do
L110[04:10:29] <darsie> Burn fuel
L111[04:10:33] <TwistenX> ooh
L112[04:11:01] <TwistenX> what's the point
of having oxidizer while the engine already burns the fuel? or does
the oxidizer ignite the engine?
L113[04:11:39] <darsie> In the engine
oxidizer and fuel are mixed, burn/react, heat up adn exhaust.
L114[04:11:41] <UmbralDrone> without the
oxidizer, the fuel won't burn, and just go through the engine and
out the back (kinda slowly)
L115[04:12:06] <TwistenX> So the oxidizer
is what makes the engine work, basically?
L116[04:12:23] <darsie> A lot of things
make the engine work.
L117[04:12:27] <UmbralDrone> both fuel and
oxidizer
L118[04:12:36] <UmbralDrone> And yeah, you
need a way to get both into the engine
L119[04:12:43] <TwistenX> Well, yeah. But
oxidizer is what makes the engine burn?
L120[04:13:23] <darsie> You could also say
fuel burns the oxidizer. Both react together.
L121[04:13:37] <UmbralDrone> Jokes about
engine-rich combustion (and fancy things with ablative cooling)
aside, the engine doesn't burn. It just moves things around, gets
them to burn, etc
L122[04:13:38] <TwistenX> chemical
reaction
L123[04:14:06] <TwistenX> they react
together and then they explode, but gently
L124[04:14:18] <UmbralDrone> yeah, the
fuel and oxidzer do
L126[04:14:49] <darsie> You can mix
methane and air and ignite it. You can't ignite air or methane
alone.
L127[04:15:16] <darsie> The reaction
produces heat, which increases partcile speed and exhaust
velocity.
L128[04:16:34] <TwistenX> So, you mix
methane and air, which ignite the engine. Then, the fuel and
oxidizer react together, and cause small but powerful explosions.
The explosions and the heat push the particles VERY VERY fast and
creates exhaust, which thrusts the object forwards?
L129[04:17:26] <darsie> There are no
explosions. The combustion is a continous process, like burning a
candle.
L130[04:17:59] <TwistenX> but i thought
that's what makes the ground rumble when a rocket's engine
goes
L131[04:18:19] <TwistenX> It's just the
amount of force the exhaust is making?
L132[04:18:24] <darsie> I'm not sure how
this works.
L133[04:18:56] <darsie> I'd say eventually
there's turbulence which causes sound.
L134[04:19:07] <TwistenX> that makes
sense
L135[04:19:39] <darsie> Have you seen a
gas stove or bunsen burner?
L136[04:19:45] <TwistenX> no
L137[04:20:26] <UmbralDrone> Are bunsen
burners not a thing in chem classes anymore?
L138[04:20:56] <TwistenX> I don't have
Chemical Class. I don't even get Physical Science for the next 2
years
L139[04:22:51] <TwistenX> if you're
wondering why i think rocket's fly because of explosions, watch
"Kerbal Scuffed Program | Sacrifices for the sake of
Science" on YouTube
L140[04:26:52] <Neal> UmbralDrone, I used
them in my chem classes in high school a few years ago
L141[04:27:03] <Neal> they are definitely
still used in colleges
L142[04:27:19] <TwistenX> i'm 13 im still
in middle school
L143[04:28:18] *
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on
L144[04:28:42] <UmbralDrone> hm
L145[04:29:23] <TwistenX> umaxtu wot
L146[04:29:34] <TwistenX> also how do you
do those star things
L147[04:29:47] <umaxtu> /me
L148[04:29:54] <umaxtu> without the space
in front
L149[04:30:30] <UmbralDrone> eg /me looks
around
L150[04:30:32] *
UmbralDrone look around
L151[04:32:33] *
TwistenX tests if this is this is the command for the star
thingy
L152[04:32:46] *
TwistenX has gained 200 IQ
L153[04:33:15] <UmbralDrone> ...I don't
think that works like XP
L154[04:33:45] <TwistenX> what's XP
L155[04:34:59] *
TwistenX like Reliant more than Swivel
L156[04:35:09] <TwistenX> sue me
L157[04:35:22] *
umaxtu sues TwistenX for using /me too much
L158[04:35:35] <UmbralDrone> as in
experience points for gaining levels in various RPGs etc
L159[04:35:43] *
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time
L160[04:35:52] <UmbralDrone> I mean, the
Reliant does have better TWR (and better Isp on the ground)
L161[04:36:03] <TwistenX> Ye
L162[04:36:09] <TwistenX> It also has more
oxidizer
L163[04:36:16] <UmbralDrone> I want to say
enough so that if you're making rocket SSTOs for some reason, a
Reliant-based one gets a higher payload fraction
L164[04:36:57] <TwistenX> what does SSTO
stand for? i'm a complete noob at KSP so i'm gonna have lotsa
questions
L165[04:37:17] <darsie> single stage to
orbit
L166[04:37:22] <TwistenX> oh
L167[04:37:35] <darsie> That is, just a
simple rocket, as compared two or more rockets on top of each
other.
L168[04:37:41] *
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fanart
L169[04:38:11] *
UmbralDrone ponders looking around for some dark ambient
music
L170[04:38:25] <darsie> Technically,
stages can also be next to each other rather than on top of each
other.
L171[04:38:41] *
TwistenX recommends "Frost Waltz" by Kevin MacLeod to
UmbralDrone
L172[04:38:45] <umaxtu> only if you're
Russian
L174[04:39:17] <UmbralDrone> umaxtu:
*laughs in shuttle*
L175[04:39:51] <umaxtu> were they ever
referred to as stage 1?
L176[04:39:58] *
TwistenX also recommends "Arcadia" by Kevin
MacLeod
L177[04:40:04] <UmbralDrone> Ah, I guess
numbering-wise not really
L178[04:40:37] <UmbralDrone> And I guess
the later Titans and Delta IV Heavy just call them boosters
L179[04:41:13] <umaxtu> I realize I'm
arguing semantics here
L180[04:41:15] <TwistenX> It just went
straight from Falcon 1 to Falcon 9 to Falcon Heavy (???)
L181[04:41:23] <umaxtu> yup
L182[04:41:33] <TwistenX> like what the
heck
L183[04:41:41] <umaxtu> there were planes
for a Falcon 1e and a Falcon 5 but they got scrapped
L184[04:41:43] <TwistenX> where's Falcon 2
and Falcon 3
L185[04:42:00] <umaxtu> falcon 9 because
it has 9 first stage engines
L186[04:42:04] <UmbralDrone> The number is
more of the number of engines on the first stage
L187[04:42:24] <TwistenX> So Falcon
Heavy's 1st stage engines are all SRBs?
L188[04:42:41] <umaxtu> no, 27
merlins
L189[04:42:51] <TwistenX> Why's it called
'Heavy' then
L190[04:43:13] <umaxtu> cause of the Delta
IV heavy I guess
L191[04:43:30] <TwistenX> It should be
Falcon 27
L192[04:43:38] <UmbralDrone> Yeah. Also
the proposed (but never flown) Atlas V heavy
L193[04:43:47] <umaxtu> also, SpaceX is
totally incapable of keeping a consistent naming scheme
L194[04:43:56] <TwistenX> Shouldn't the
Space Shuttle be called the Shuttle 5?
L195[04:44:07] <TwistenX> It has 5
engines
L196[04:44:24] <umaxtu> see falcon 9 1.0,
falcon 9 1.1, Falcon 9 Full Thrust, Falcon 9 Block 5
L197[04:44:42] <UmbralDrone> The shuttle
went for airbus levels of boring name
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L199[04:45:01] *
UmbralDrone blink
L200[04:46:30] <umaxtu> kids these days,
their attention spans have been ruined by those new fangled vidya
games
L201[04:49:35] *
UmbralDrone >_>
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L210[06:35:41] <Althego> !road
L211[06:35:43] <Kerbot> Althego =>
Primary; Monday, Dec 7, 2020; 8:00 am to 5:30 pm; Scheduled |
Secondary; Tuesday, Dec 8, 2020; 7:00 am to 5:30 pm; Scheduled |
Secondary; Wednesday, Dec 9, 2020; 8:00 am to 5:00 pm; Scheduled |
Primary; Thursday, Dec 10, 2020; 7:00 am to 5:30 pm; Scheduled |
Secondary; Friday, Dec11, 2020; 7:00 am to 5:30 pm; Scheduled
L212[06:38:46] <Althego> !nela
L214[06:39:00] <Althego> another day,
another starship test
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L220[08:35:03] <Mat2ch> Hopefully this
time we see a flame
L221[08:35:10] <Mat2ch> I stayed up late
and then... nothing
L222[08:35:17] <Mat2ch> was a bit
anti-climactic
L223[08:44:40] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch, are
you german?
L224[08:47:24] <UmbralDrone> sleep is
fake, anyway
L225[08:47:59] <minas_tirith> Do germans
not sleep?
L226[08:49:44] <Mat2ch> I am and I sleep a
lot. :P
L227[08:50:01] <Mat2ch> It's almost 10
here and I haven't had breakfast yet
L228[08:50:07] <Mat2ch> but already a
customer call...
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L233[10:28:11] <minas_tirith>
Mat2ch,
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L236[10:53:59] <Mat2ch> I really wonder
how you went from cringy to death metal :P
L237[10:54:50] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch, its
black metal
L238[10:55:07] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch, I
was bored
L239[10:55:15] <minas_tirith> as were
probably you
L240[10:57:55] <Mat2ch> no, not bored.
Trying to find a Heisenbug in a piece of garbage called
software
L241[10:58:23] <minas_tirith> Heisenbugs
are the worst
L242[10:59:20] <Mat2ch> well, when it
comes to software that has to deal with analog values, busses and
user inputs, it can become quiet complicated
L243[10:59:27] <Mat2ch> some bugs only
happen on real life hardware.
L244[10:59:54] <minas_tirith> Oh
L245[11:00:00] <minas_tirith> That type of
scenario is tough, yes
L246[11:00:12] <minas_tirith> What are you
designing
L247[11:03:34] <Mat2ch> Customer project I
can't talk much about
L248[11:03:48] <Mat2ch> And I'm only
fixing things.
L249[11:04:19] <Mat2ch> Always behind
schedule, because the developers before me all left the company,
because the software they made is shitty and they didn't want to
work on it anymore...
L250[11:05:12] <Mat2ch> And for years(!)
now we're telling them to throw everything away and start
over
L251[11:05:36] *
TheKosmonaut drops out of Slipspace
L252[11:05:48] <TheKosmonaut> I have
detected a violation in Channel Morality Code.
L253[11:06:07] *
TheKosmonaut locks on Mat2ch
L254[11:06:44] <Mat2ch> uh, what did I do
wrong?
L255[11:07:52] <Mat2ch> TheKosmonaut: I
really don't see it. Please tell me, so I can make it right
L256[11:08:47] <TheKosmonaut> "[...]
the software they made is ______"
L257[11:09:07] <TheKosmonaut> Obfuscated
word breaches KSP Community guidelines regarding profanity
L258[11:09:24] *
TheKosmonaut looks at number of Ops left in this
channel
L259[11:09:26] <TheKosmonaut> Sigh
L260[11:09:33] <minas_tirith> Hewwo
L261[11:09:36] <TheKosmonaut> So quiet, so
dead.
L262[11:09:37] <packbart> it's on the list
of the seven naughty words
L263[11:09:47] <minas_tirith>
TheKosmonaut, so cold, so pure
L264[11:10:10] <Mat2ch> I didn't know that
word was on that list at all.
L265[11:10:14] <minas_tirith> Its actually
so pure, so cold
L266[11:10:21] <minas_tirith>
swapped
L267[11:10:30] <Mat2ch> I will try to
remember that.
L268[11:11:04] <minas_tirith>
TheKosmonaut, I need winter
L269[11:11:39] <Althego> ah there was an
article that in some maerican desert somebody found a shiny
monolith made of metal
L270[11:11:47] <Mat2ch> on the other hand,
if you search for that word in the forum you get 234 results.
L271[11:11:49] <Althego> must be the work
of these guys
L272[11:12:01] <Mat2ch> Althego: I call
fake.
L273[11:12:16] <Mat2ch> TheKosmonaut: you
need to clean up the forum.
L274[11:14:10] <Mat2ch> There are in fact
72 references to a four letter word that starts with f as well.
Hrm. Not good.
L275[11:15:25] <Althego> "you gotta
pump those numbers are. those are rookie numbers" :)
L276[11:15:30] <Althego> *up
L277[11:20:12] <Mat2ch> You can go
:P
L278[11:21:07] <Althego> i never use
forums by principle. they fuse the wrong properties of chat and
mailing lists. you have to be online to read them, but not live
conversation
L279[11:21:37] <Mat2ch> I'm not a big fan
of language filters anyway. There's a difference between say
something is bad and someone is bad. The latter is to thing to
avoid, the first is well nothing unusual around here. Which in fact
is funny, because this is a cultural difference
L280[11:22:17] <Mat2ch> But the rules are
the rules and I'll try to avoid it in the future
L281[11:22:29] <Althego> that is a german
for you
L282[11:22:41] <Althego> rigid and
following the rules even when they dont make sense
L283[11:23:03] <Mat2ch> What is the
alternative?
L284[11:23:08] <minas_tirith> German is an
interesting language
L285[11:23:15] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch,
Sodom is amazing
L286[11:23:15] <Althego> circumventing or
not following the rules
L287[11:24:32] <Mat2ch> Well, there is no
way to circumvent and not following would mean getting
banned.
L288[11:24:40] <Althego> in this
case
L289[11:24:53] <Althego> and actually it
doesnt hurt
L290[11:25:27] <packbart> Mat2ch: well,
you could try and use german words. I'm quite sure nobody here
would be offended by "mist", right? ;)
L291[11:25:42] <packbart> it's even a
valid english word
L292[11:25:51] <Mat2ch> you could
interpret circumventing with using words like fork or shoot, where
everyone knows what is meant, but it's not against the rules
L293[11:26:15] <packbart> yeah, that's the
frelling thing to do
L294[11:26:16] <Mat2ch> packbart: I
differ. Mist is not as strong as the other word ;)
L295[11:26:26] <Mat2ch> for some reason.
Even though they both mean the same thing
L296[11:26:29] <minas_tirith> Mist is a
beautiful name
L297[11:26:32] <minas_tirith> or
word
L298[11:26:40] <Mat2ch> except when you
set in it. :D
L299[11:27:04] <Mat2ch> *step in it
L300[11:28:03] <Mat2ch> When talking about
mist... what about... musty
L301[11:28:25] <Althego> still dark in
boca chica
L302[11:30:25] <Althego> i think i am
going to sleep a little, hopefully no launch until i wake up
L303[11:30:50] <minas_tirith> Althego,
sleep well bro
L304[11:30:59] *
packbart goes to visit the office - there's some stuff arriving
today that I ordered
L305[11:56:16] <Mat2ch> Launch window
starts in two hours
L306[11:56:24] <Mat2ch> then they probably
need three hours of preparations
L307[11:56:29] <Mat2ch> so five hours at
least until launch
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L310[13:43:54] <TheKosmonaut>
<Mat2ch> TheKosmonaut: you need to clean up the forum.
<<< I am but one cog in an oppressive machine of neck
beard power trippers. The forums mostly fall to some other guys.
There is a snitch button if you wish to point out people that do
violate the morality code
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L314[14:00:43] <Mat2ch> TheKosmonaut: Are
bots allowed on the forum? ;)
L315[14:01:25] <JVFoxy> Got LabPadre's
stream up.. been pretty quite this morning. Were pretty chatty
yesterday at same time, something happened?
L316[14:04:04] <JVFoxy> Quality on
friend's big frak'n TV is nice, downside, cuz its a 'smartbox',
don't get to see comments/chat. Hmm
L317[14:07:08] <Althego> i could time skip
this far and not even the road is closed yet
L318[14:07:31] <JVFoxy> Ok..
nasaspaceflight has chatter..
L319[14:08:08] <JVFoxy> ugh.. streaming
the live feat twice here, one on big screen, one on laptop for
chat
L320[14:08:16] <Mat2ch> JVFoxy: they are
booming Starhopper ;)
L321[14:09:53] <JVFoxy> Mat2ch no.. but
they are doing something at starhopper... guys were making comment
about it. Its basically a lawn ornament, so why they messing on
it?
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L323[14:11:42] <Althego> hehe
ornament
L324[14:15:12] <Mat2ch> JVFoxy: the
cameras are on there
L325[14:15:14] <Mat2ch> and the
radar
L326[14:15:55] <JVFoxy> I see something
rotating, wasn't sure if the radar thing was behind it or on
top
L327[14:16:14] <minas_tirith> Hewwo
JVFoxy
L328[14:16:19] <JVFoxy> yo
L329[14:17:11] <Althego> also there is a
weather station on starhopper
L330[14:21:15] <JVFoxy> any idea what the
taller mast is on what looks to be a tank?
L331[14:25:29] <Althego> hmm, maybe that
is the weather station
L332[14:25:33] <Althego> or at least part
of it
L333[14:25:39] <Althego> seems to be 3
moving thingies
L334[14:25:48] <Althego> probably wind
measurment
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L338[14:39:57] <sandbox> Beresheet2 is
going to be in 2024
L339[14:40:27] <Althego> wht does it
always take so long
L340[14:40:33] <Althego> anything with
space
L341[14:40:52] <flayer> space is big
L342[14:40:55] <flayer> and
difficult
L343[14:41:09] <Althego> nuy they cvould
just use somethin similat
L344[14:42:18] <Althego> th hw was working
ok, was a software thing
L345[14:43:31] <minas_tirith> flayer,
space is scary
L346[14:43:41] <flayer> so's your
face
L347[14:44:37] <minas_tirith> My face is
good. Space is terrifying.
L348[14:44:48] <minas_tirith> Just an
empty void for millions of miles.
L349[14:45:04] <sandbox> your face in
space
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L351[14:46:01] <JVFoxy> huh.. Baesheet2
going to have two landers for moon. Probably a lot of planning,
design, coordination going on.
L352[14:46:39] <JVFoxy> just getting a
cubesat into LEO takes time, a year or two..
L353[14:47:07] <Althego> the chinese
approach is better, have one backup if the first one fails
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L355[14:49:07] <JVFoxy> they aren't the
only ones that do it that way
L356[14:49:41] <JVFoxy> even with a
backup, getting on another launch, takes time
L357[14:50:08] <Althego> way less than
designing a new one
L358[14:50:18] <JVFoxy> I would /love/ to
get into a project with a group to build a cube sat for LEO or a
moon mission
L359[14:50:49] <JVFoxy> Why have one, when
you can have two, for the price of two...
L360[14:51:38] <JVFoxy> well technically,
depends on how you look at it. Do you include design time? Still
have to test, there might be some changes needed
L361[14:52:49] <Mat2ch> Road not even
closed yet
L362[14:52:58] <Mat2ch> this will take a
while
L363[14:53:44] <umaxtu> thats ok, I've got
cisco homework
L364[14:55:33] <Althego> will there be a
spacex livestream?
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L366[14:57:02] <JVFoxy> if we got a while,
I might just leave it up on friend's tv. catch up on some of my
other stuff..
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L369[15:04:09] <Mat2ch> Althego: yesterday
there was one
L370[15:04:18] <Mat2ch> started 10 minutes
before the planned launch
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L372[15:05:39] <Althego> yes but there is
no new one
L373[15:06:09] <Mat2ch> the road isn't
closed yet, too
L374[15:06:52] <Mat2ch> I don't see anyone
working on SN8, so they are either still figuring out what is wrong
or preparing for a test
L375[15:19:20] <JVFoxy> They showing the
drone ship landed booster coming into the harbor
L376[15:22:32] <packbart> Mat2ch: didn't
they have the same spin-up problem with Raptors a few times
now?
L377[15:22:50] <packbart> static fire
test, for example
L378[15:26:32] <Althego> meanwhile booster
is coming back from an ocean trip
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L381[15:33:53] <Mat2ch> packbart: I don't
know
L382[15:34:16] <Mat2ch> oh no, I see a
boom lift
L383[15:34:32] <Mat2ch> no launch in the
next three to four hours
L384[15:40:13] <Althego> i expected as
much
L385[15:40:28] <Althego> based on
yesterday's events
L386[15:41:33] <packbart> !nela
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L398[16:49:58] <Tank2333> so is it going
to happen?
L399[16:50:05] <umaxtu> maybe
L400[16:50:36] <Mat2ch> boom lift is
gone
L401[16:50:41] <Mat2ch> but road still not
closed
L402[16:50:53] <Tank2333> can someone ping
me if its ready?
L403[16:51:10] <JVFoxy> are we ever going
to be ready?
L404[16:51:27] <umaxtu> before SLS
L405[16:51:43] <JVFoxy> why is it taking
longer this morning compared to yesterday?
L406[16:51:45] <Tank2333> the heat death
is before sls
L407[16:52:18] <JVFoxy> sure cna see the
heatwaves on the stream for one
L408[16:53:13] <JVFoxy> geez.. 21c
already. it was down at 11c this morning (0500PST)
L409[16:53:27] <Mat2ch> Uh, it's 2C here.
:P
L410[16:53:45] <JVFoxy> 8c for me
L411[16:53:53] <JVFoxy> Mat2ch you get
snow.. I'm moving there
L412[16:54:15] <umaxtu> 7 C for me
L413[16:54:56] <Tank2333> 2 c for me
L414[16:56:10] <JVFoxy> I don't do heat
very well. :\
L415[16:56:37] <JVFoxy> warm soak in tub..
that is one thing, its also brief, can get away.
L416[16:57:02] <Mat2ch> JVFoxy: no, we
don't. It gets cold here, but not snowy
L417[16:57:17] <Mat2ch> JVFoxy: and in
summer it goes up and over 40 C
L418[16:57:22] <Mat2ch> thanks to climate
change
L419[16:58:05] <JVFoxy> we used to get
some snow here, I keep saying I still remember those years when it
got really snowy on the coast. Mood I get from people here, sounds
like they wish winter was dead
L420[16:58:50] <JVFoxy> personally, we get
enough rain, you'd think people be tired of that here more than
anything
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L422[17:02:11] <Tank2333> the last 4-6
years we only had like 1 or maybe 2 snowy days, and i think i
remember as a kid playing in the snow for days or weeks, and in the
80s my parents had the hardest freaking winters
L423[17:04:42] <Tank2333> and now we had
th warmest novemebr ever recorded,
L424[17:05:02] <JVFoxy> we had some big
snow dump a few years back, but it only stuck around a few days.
Took month or so for giant piles in parking lots to melt
L425[17:08:09] <umaxtu> but so many people
don't understand averages
L426[17:13:28] <JVFoxy> 3 months straight
of warm weather, sun, no rain. Then.. first day it rained, ooooh
boy, was the streets a mess. People skidding all over. I get it,
oil getting washed away, but then also people forgetting how to
drive on wet roads
L427[17:13:51] <Althego> happens every
winter with the first snow
L428[17:13:58] <Althego> 2 mm snow
L429[17:14:06] <Althego> and the roads are
a mess
L430[17:14:21] <Althego> if there is snow,
because it happens less often
L431[17:14:21] <Tank2333> lol
L432[17:14:24] <JVFoxy> Toronto: bus
slides down hill, crashes, no one bats an eye. Someone slides down
hill here, its all over media
L433[17:14:43] <JVFoxy>
relatively...
L434[17:14:51] <Althego> ok, the snow
thing is because people are reluctant to change to winter
tyres
L435[17:15:17] <Tank2333> did you just
call me relucunted
L436[17:15:21] <JVFoxy> truck with 4x4,
mud/snow/mountain tires.. I still drive carefully
L437[17:15:24] <Tank2333> reluctant
L438[17:19:13] <Tank2333> i bought a new
car 3 years ago and it had fresh all season tyres on, at first i
had in mind to buy winter ones and change them but looks like i
dont have to :)
L439[17:20:38] <Althego> the point of the
4 season tyres
L440[17:21:05] <JVFoxy> ya but don't they
say 4 seasons aren't really good enough for winter?
L441[17:21:20] <Althego> as far as i know
they are a compromise
L442[17:21:26] <Althego> but i dont have a
car
L443[17:21:31] <JVFoxy> used to be an add
here, if you can see your breath in the air, its time to change
tires
L444[17:21:55] <umaxtu> the rubber
compound they use isn't optimized for colder temps
L445[17:22:42] <JVFoxy> personally.. there
are times i wonder if these tire companies are just trying to scare
tactic people into buying several sets of tires. Ok, I get one for
winter, one for other times.. but eh.
L446[17:24:12] <JVFoxy> they do make a
point that if you driving out of the valley here, there is a range
of dates you need winter tires for the mountains, or at least carry
chains
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L449[17:41:13] <Mat2ch> Road is
closed!
L450[17:42:14] <Althego> then as with
fusion, it is only 30 years more :)
L451[17:43:26] <umaxtu> I feel like fusion
has actually gotten a little closer over the last couple years.
maybe 15
L452[17:44:13] *
UmbralDrone puts an F in chat for polywell
L453[17:45:15] <JVFoxy> fusion power..
fusion thrust..
L454[17:45:54] <Mat2ch> Fusion thrust
would be something
L455[17:46:50] <Tank2333> Winter tyres
realy make a differents
L456[17:47:14] <UmbralDrone> This summons
Project Orion
L457[17:48:32] <JVFoxy> well.. instead of
chucking fusion bombs out the back, constant stream of fusing light
atoms in a magnetic bottle/chamber
L459[18:02:09] <JVFoxy> oh hey.. Scott is
talking on one of the streems.. Labpadre
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L462[18:06:19] <JVFoxy> flexing the wings
now
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L466[18:17:10] <Tank2333> wich
stream?
L467[18:18:17] <JVFoxy> I'm bouncing
between labpadre and
L468[18:18:29] <JVFoxy> nasaspaceflight
streams
L469[18:18:33] <Althego> there are at
least 3 important stream, at least until the spacex stream comes
online. labpadra, nasa spaceflight and everyday astronaut
L470[18:22:22] <JVFoxy> labpadre has
several cams going right now
L471[18:28:49] <Althego> as always
L472[18:39:13] <hatrix> which commentaries
do you prefer though Althego?
L474[18:43:09] <Deddly> Looks like 20:00
GMT is the most likely launch time, if it happens
L475[18:43:33] <hatrix> why do they need
that wb-57?
L476[18:43:45] <Deddly> For filming,
right?
L477[18:45:21] <hatrix> shouldn't it be
flying right now?
L478[18:46:19] <JVFoxy> not even
fueled
L479[18:52:41] <Deddly> It's supposed to
me en route now
L480[18:52:44] <Deddly> be*
L481[18:53:43] <Deddly> JVFoxy, are you
talking about the plane or the rocket?
L482[18:53:55] <Deddly> Plane should have
taken off 24 mins ago
L483[18:54:20] <JVFoxy> starship
L484[18:54:28] <hatrix> plane has been
delayed
L485[18:54:34] <Deddly> So it has
L486[18:54:55] <JVFoxy> oh why so much
attention on the WB-57?
L487[18:55:15] <Deddly> Flight plan now
says 2:30 CST = 20:30 GMT
L488[18:55:19] <umaxtu> gives us an idea
of when the launch will be
L489[18:55:25] <FLHerne> JVFoxy: Because
we'll know when the plane has taken off, and the launch should be
an hour or so after that
L490[18:55:27] <Deddly> What umaxtu
said.
L491[18:55:27] <hatrix> that kinda was my
question also but nasa space flight seems to say they're waiting
for that plane to come before launching
L492[18:55:48] <FLHerne> Whereas we onl y
get 20 mins or so of notice by watching the ship
L493[18:55:56] <hatrix> has that plane an
history of filming launches?
L494[18:56:19] <Deddly> One would
think they would put some public information out there
L495[18:56:19] <FLHerne> hatrix: It's
NASA's fancy camera plane, it has a history of filming interesting
things
L496[18:56:38] <hatrix> haha, fine
:)
L497[18:56:47] <JVFoxy> and here I was
half thinking maybe cuz an ol' vintage plane flying has gotten some
aviation buffs' attention
L499[18:57:16] <FLHerne> It's also a
really interesting ol' vintage plane
L500[18:57:16] <Deddly> Since Spacex are,
in fact, hosting a stream, I'm surprised they haven't posted
anything on Twitter or their website for 20 hours
L501[18:57:56] <hatrix> wow, nice
tracking, thanks FLHerne
L502[18:57:59] <FLHerne> (one of I think
only two British military aircraft types that the US has bought in
any volume)
L503[18:58:27] <FLHerne> It's a
license-built English Electric Canberra, which was one of the very
first jet bombers
L504[18:59:17] <FLHerne> First Canberra
flight was 1949
L505[19:00:38] <Deddly> That video was
beautiful
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L507[19:01:29] <Neal> aaaaaaany second
now
L508[19:04:27] <FLHerne> Hah, also
probably the only non-'preserved' jet aircraft still flying with
major structural components made of wood
L509[19:08:00] <JVFoxy> jet with
wood?
L510[19:09:20] <FLHerne> Most of the
tail
L511[19:10:17] <JVFoxy> I know comets were
wood
L512[19:10:31] <FLHerne> What?
L513[19:10:37] <JVFoxy> prop but pretty
fast
L514[19:10:59] <FLHerne> You're thinking
of something else
L515[19:11:08] <FLHerne> Comets are metal,
and jets
L516[19:11:26] <FLHerne> Oh, there's
another one
L517[19:11:44] <JVFoxy> trying to double
check.. connectoin being a pain
L519[19:12:21] <FLHerne>
(presumably)
L521[19:12:50] <FLHerne> Sorry
L522[19:12:53] <JVFoxy> ya sorry the
Dh.88
L523[19:14:12] <JVFoxy> comet had the
window issue which caused crash..
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L525[19:16:48] <JVFoxy> oh and was also
the DH.98 Mosquito as well, made of wood
L526[19:18:52] <FLHerne> Yeah, the
Canberra was explicitly designed as a jet-powered Mosquito
replacement
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L528[19:22:56] <umaxtu> the Mosquito is
one of my favorites
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L531[19:57:22] <Althego> hehe in one of
the streams: aziz, light (from 5th element)
L532[20:00:08] <mrBlaQ> I have a feeling
they're only running a static fire test today. they're already into
the fueling phase and have no published outreach about a test
today
L533[20:01:19] <umaxtu> I hope not
L534[20:09:35] <Deddly> Still no official
stream?
L535[20:10:06] <mrBlaQ> just
announced
L536[20:10:10] <mrBlaQ> it'll go live at
3pm CST
L538[20:10:23] <FLHerne> T-50min
L539[20:10:47] <Deddly> Nice,
thanks!
L541[20:11:25] <Deddly> Plane in the air
yet?
L542[20:12:04] <FLHerne> Doesn't seem to
be
L543[20:12:40] <Deddly> >:o(
L544[20:18:59] <FLHerne> !stupid add
"Paolo Fabbri proposed that domestic cats be genetically
engineered to change color in the presence of dangerous levels of
radiation. The significance of these 'radiation cats' or 'ray cats'
would be reinforced through fairy tales and myths, the story being
that one should move away from sites where such creatures are
encountered."
L545[20:18:59] <LunchBot> FLHerne: Added
stupid quote: "Paolo Fabbri proposed that domestic cats be
genetically engineered to change color in the presence of dangerous
levels of radiation. The significance of these 'radiation cats' or
'ray cats' would be reinforced through fairy tales and myths, the
story being that one should move away from sites where such
creatures are encountered."
L546[20:19:27] <Althego> raycat
L548[20:19:56] <Althego> ah it is there
already
L549[20:20:01] <Althego> should have read
back more
L551[20:23:03] <Althego> at this time it
cant be crop dusting
L552[20:23:24] <FLHerne> Photography or
some kind of research
L553[20:23:26] <Althego> or anti
insect
L554[20:24:29] <packbart> 39 years old,
that plane
L555[20:25:54] <UmbralDrone> All hail the
raycats
L556[20:26:37] <Althego> sailcat (from cow
and chicken)
L558[20:27:56] <Deddly> Sound must be
on
L560[20:29:59] <umaxtu> did you mean to
type "flying cat"?
L561[20:30:32] *
UmbralDrone meows?
L562[20:31:04] <Althego> the delta 4 heavy
coming up, is that the one that couldnt launch several times months
ago?
L563[20:31:07] <umaxtu> lol
L564[20:31:25] <umaxtu> pretty sure it
is
L565[20:35:25] <minas_tirith> UmbralDrone,
meow
L566[20:36:23] <FltAdmVonSpiz> FLHerne:
that sounds...... like something a really bored civilisation with
insane Genetically engineering would do
L567[20:36:47] <Althego> i think we could
make that now
L568[20:36:54] <Althego> the color change
cat
L569[20:37:28] <packbart> a NASA T38 from
Pasadena was in the greater area but turned away and is circling
Victoria now
L571[20:39:13] <Althego> not too far
away
L572[20:41:28] <packbart> Age: 50
years
L573[20:41:41] <Althego> now that is
getting old
L574[20:41:41] <packbart> not sure if
that's correct
L575[20:41:50] <Althego> wasnt it a
refurbished thing?
L576[20:41:58] <Althego> it was modified
for nasa
L577[20:42:54] <Althego> no i must be
thinking of something else
L578[20:49:59] <packbart> seems to have
landed, anyway
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L581[20:56:03] <Althego> i think i might
have confused that plane with the er.2 high altitude platforms,
nasa has 2 modified u-2s
L582[20:56:27] <Althego> and one would
think a spy plane is ideal for remote observations, that is why in
my mind the plane was one of those
L583[20:57:42] <Deddly> LIVE
L584[20:57:50] <Deddly> Video feed is
live!
L585[20:57:58] <Deddly> T-6:20
L586[21:00:26] <Deddly> Looks like a
beautiful day in Boca Chica
L587[21:02:16] <Deddly> DOH
L588[21:02:23] <Althego> looks like
detanking
L589[21:02:53] <Deddly> Sheesh.
L590[21:02:56] <Neal> dangit
L591[21:03:06] <Deddly> Someone tell Elon
he needs moar boosters
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L593[21:03:21] <Althego> he has like a
dozen?
L594[21:03:31] <Althego> how many are in
circulation?
L595[21:03:36] <Deddly> Moar struts,
then
L596[21:03:49] <Althego> they already
fixed the strut problem :)
L597[21:04:13] <minas_tirith> Althego, its
all in the head
L598[21:04:43] <Althego> but now that it
is cooled, if there is not a big problem, they can try it
again
L599[21:04:44] <packbart>
"Scrub" sez Labpadre
L600[21:05:05] <packbart> changed to
"Hold" now
L601[21:09:16] <Deddly> Yeah it's not
scrubbed yet
L602[21:09:37] <Deddly> They're going for
it again - stream says "Standing by got new T-0"
L603[21:10:23] <mrBlaQ> possible civ plane
in the nofly zone
L604[21:12:18] <Mat2ch> really?
L605[21:12:23] <Mat2ch> get that out of
there! :P
L606[21:12:41] <Deddly> Need moar
lazers
L607[21:12:56] <Althego> nobody can get
the jetpack guy out of lax zone
L608[21:13:22] <Neal> I think the LAX
jetpack guy is fake
L610[21:13:34] <Neal> pilots see all kinds
of things that were never there
L611[21:14:09] <Deddly> Where exactly is
the pad in that map, packbart?
L612[21:14:34] <packbart> near where it
says "south padre island", I think
L613[21:14:39] <packbart> I don't know
exactly
L614[21:14:49] <packbart> but that's the
only low flyer in the area
L616[21:15:26] <Neal> homeland security
was flying a route close by
L620[21:16:25] <packbart> Neal: that one
is long gone, though
L621[21:16:40] <Neal> just saying it was
there earlier
L622[21:16:42] <packbart> probably taking
"before crash" pictures ;)
L623[21:17:08] <Deddly> N7720X was going
the wrong way for pictures
L624[21:17:27] <Deddly> SpaceX are just to
the right of Port Isabel
L625[21:17:57] <packbart> N7720X is the
one causing the hold, I guess. not the one taking pictures, that
was N5515Y
L626[21:18:01] <Deddly> Well, I suppose
they might have been attempting to fly around it
L627[21:18:32] <Deddly> They very abruptly
flew to port. One might assume someone had radio contact with
them
L628[21:20:07] <Deddly> Huh. They're
almost on the Mexico border
L629[21:20:54] <packbart> well, if they
crash the Starship into Mexico, they ain't gonna pay for it
L630[21:21:34] <Althego> build a starship
and make mexico pay for it?
L631[21:21:52] <Deddly> Careful there
guys
L632[21:22:13] *
Mat2ch would pay for Mexican food.
L633[21:22:16] <Mat2ch> :D
L634[21:22:32] <Deddly> New T-0
L635[21:22:38] <Deddly> 22:40 GMT
L636[21:22:42] <Althego> 4:40 pm
centaral
L637[21:22:45] <Althego> eh
L638[21:22:45] <Deddly> 18 mins
L639[21:23:00] <Althego> i was hoping i
could go to bed more or less normally
L640[21:23:09] <Althego> but at least i
slept 2.5 hours in the afternoon
L641[21:23:23] <Mat2ch> Althego: uh
L642[21:23:27] <Mat2ch> plus an hour
L643[21:23:39] <Neal> yeah thats 1hr
18min
L644[21:27:34] <Althego> knowing elon, the
launch tiem should have been 4:20 pm :)
L645[21:29:10] <Mat2ch> hrhr
L646[21:29:18] <Mat2ch> they moved it as
far back as possible
L647[21:29:34] <Mat2ch> so there is a
chance that they are not going to try again at all
L648[21:29:40] <Althego> some tesla car
pricing (unrelease model) changed to 69420 to be lower than the
future competitor model
L649[21:30:50] <packbart> Mat2ch: yeah,
only a single attempt. if the engine doesn't start up again, the
window is closed
L650[21:31:02] <Althego> but if i stay up
longer i get hungry. if i eat more i get fat. and the christmas
food season didnt even start yet :)
L651[21:32:56] <Deddly> Oh yeah, GMT isn't
CET [facepalm]
L652[21:33:15] <Althego> it is english
time :)
L653[21:33:46] <Althego> funny thing, by
leaving the eu they are goiong to keep daylight saving, while eu is
going to abandon it
L654[21:35:02] <deadmind> kek
L655[21:35:44] <Mat2ch> Althego: uhm, I'm
not seeing the EU abandoning it yet... they said they want to, but
where's the plan? ;)
L656[21:35:57] <Althego> the plan was
2021
L657[21:36:03] <packbart> I don't want to
abandon it
L658[21:36:04] <Althego> but that was
before the virus
L659[21:36:14] <packbart> keeps people on
their toes twice a year
L660[21:36:24] <Althego> the virus already
does that :)
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L664[21:42:38] <packbart> "I once
aborted a rocket launch and all I got was a rescinded pilot
license"
L665[21:42:53] <packbart> (and 300k new
friends on the Internet)
L666[21:43:01] <Althego> or rather
haters
L667[21:44:02] <Althego> at least there is
a chapter of solo leveling
L668[21:57:06] <Mat2ch> uhm
L669[21:57:11] <Mat2ch> there's an
official countdown now
L670[21:57:14] <Mat2ch> and it is
stopped.
L671[21:57:46] <Mat2ch> now it's counting
down, but that will never make 2240+0
L672[22:00:18] <mrBlaQ> this is like who's
line is it. the numbers are meaningless
L673[22:00:23] <mrBlaQ> whose line?
L674[22:00:26] <mrBlaQ> who's line
L675[22:00:37] <deadmind> whose line
L676[22:00:42] *
deadmind sniffs
L677[22:00:45] <deadmind> it was mine i
guess
L678[22:00:50] *
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L680[22:01:17] <mrBlaQ> heuheuh
L681[22:05:12] <Mat2ch> 22:45 +1 now
officially ;)
L682[22:05:50] <Mat2ch> the flight itself
will take how long? 5 minutes?
L683[22:08:39] <deadmind> probably less
than that
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L685[22:27:44] *
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L686[22:27:53] <Mat2ch> still around 15
minutes
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L689[22:32:10] <Neal> the flight might
even last a few seconds
L690[22:32:27] <Althego> dooubt it would
be longer than 2 minutes
L691[22:39:14] <Mat2ch> We are down to 6
minutes!
L692[22:39:47] *
Mat2ch is tired and hyped
L693[22:39:56] <Mat2ch> I dare them to
abort it again! :P
L694[22:40:26] <Mat2ch> T-5:00 min
L695[22:40:38] <Mat2ch> Come on little
Starship, you can do it!
L696[22:41:27] <Mat2ch> T-4:00 min
L697[22:41:42] <Mat2ch> Waiting is
aweful!
L698[22:42:13] <Althego> we know. how long
was it? weeks? months?
L699[22:42:27] <Mat2ch> T-3:00 min
L700[22:42:32] <Mat2ch> It felt like
years!
L701[22:42:53] <Althego> yesterday it
stopepd at 1.3 seconds :)
L702[22:43:05] <Althego> i had a mad grin
on
L703[22:43:11] <Althego> and then it was a
letdown
L704[22:43:20] <FltAdmVonSpiz> thats hte
nice thing about the space shuttle
L705[22:43:25] <FltAdmVonSpiz> get happy
when the SRBs light
L706[22:43:28] <FltAdmVonSpiz> because
then its orbit or bust
L707[22:43:31] <Mat2ch> T-2:00 min
L708[22:44:01] <Mat2ch> T-1:30 min
L709[22:44:31] <Mat2ch> T-1:00 min
L710[22:44:37] <Mat2ch> I can't take it
anymore! I have to quit.
L711[22:44:39] <Mat2ch> :D
L712[22:44:49] <Mat2ch> they resized the
counter window ;)
L713[22:45:20] <Althego> t-10
L714[22:45:30] <Althego> 0
L715[22:45:46] <Althego> very slow
liftoff
L716[22:46:45] <packbart> the labpadre
stream failed during liftoff
L717[22:46:52] <Althego> noticed
L718[22:46:59] <Althego> but i watched 3
out of 4
L719[22:47:11] <Althego> so i switched to
the other, still maintaining 3
L720[22:47:22] <Althego> faield
engine?
L721[22:47:37] <Mat2ch> or test!
L722[22:47:38] <Althego> or intentionally
shutdown for smaller thruyst?
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L725[22:48:24] <Althego> the tim stream
has almost the same size as the official
L726[22:48:42] <Mat2ch> still going up
\o/
L727[22:48:45] <packbart> well, the
onboard stream failed, too
L728[22:48:50] <Mat2ch> intentional
L729[22:48:52] <packbart> oh no, it
didn't
L730[22:49:02] <Althego> the stream is
on
L731[22:49:10] <Althego> 1 engine
L732[22:49:21] <Althego> seems to be
intentional
L733[22:49:32] <Althego> maybe throttling
test too
L734[22:49:42] <packbart> something's not
tied down, tho
L735[22:49:52] <Althego> i didnt expect
this hover
L736[22:50:09] <Althego> must be duct tape
:)
L737[22:50:19] <Mat2ch> falling!
L738[22:50:19] <Althego> going down
L739[22:50:57] <Althego> of cours it is
stable lol
L740[22:51:03] <Mat2ch> majestic!
L741[22:52:09] <Althego> doing it
L742[22:52:16] <Althego> bam
L743[22:52:22] <flayer> haha
L744[22:52:23] <Althego> but the landing
was quite good
L745[22:52:28] <Althego> i think they got
all the data
L746[22:52:28] <Neal> NAILED IT
L747[22:52:31] <Mat2ch> a bit too
late
L748[22:52:35] <packbart> standard KSP
landing
L749[22:52:37] <Mat2ch> but on
target
L750[22:52:54] <Althego> i expected a
heavier hitting
L751[22:53:09] <Althego> it touched down a
bit too hard
L752[22:53:09] <mrBlaQ> huh
L753[22:53:14] <mrBlaQ> better than I'd
ever expect
L754[22:53:19] <flayer> it might've just
been on purpose lmao
L755[22:53:54] <Mat2ch> the nose survived
;)
L756[22:53:55] <Althego> and i also
expected a slightly burning metal rubble too
L757[22:54:11] <mrBlaQ> two engines and no
feet extended
L758[22:54:21] <Althego> that must have
been the issue then
L759[22:54:34] <Althego> i mean 2
enginesis probably intentional for the rotation
L760[22:54:40] <Althego> for offset
thrust
L761[22:54:42] <packbart> green flame,
too
L762[22:54:45] <Mat2ch> I guess the system
thought that it still had more altitude to brake
L763[22:54:59] <Althego> why would
it
L764[22:55:01] <packbart> didn't switch to
AGL
L765[22:55:17] <Mat2ch> well, SN9 next
week then? :P
L766[22:55:22] <Althego> but question iw
wheter the radar is pointing down or sideways
L767[22:55:29] <Althego> next year
probably
L768[22:55:37] <Althego> middle of
december
L769[22:55:53] <Mat2ch> enough left to
refly.
L770[22:55:56] <Mat2ch> :D
L771[22:56:40] <Althego> that landing is
hard to do right
L772[22:56:46] <Althego> so it was a
probable outcome
L773[22:56:53] <Mat2ch> with limited fuel
at least
L774[22:57:08] <Althego> but i really
thought it would just slam into the ground half rotated
L776[22:57:35] <Mat2ch> oh, it really
looks like one of the engines failed
L777[22:57:37] <packbart> not all engines
worked as expected, I'd say
L778[22:58:11] <packbart> good data
L779[22:58:19] <Mat2ch> yeah, I just
rewatched that part and the one engine is going green several
times
L780[22:58:23] <Althego> that green flame
at the end is strange
L781[22:58:31] <Mat2ch> and that meant it
didn't run at full power and that's why it crashed
L782[22:58:41] <Mat2ch> we've seen that
green flame before, it's burning itself there
L783[22:58:44] <packbart> Triethylboran,
says the #other channel
L784[22:58:53] <Althego> that would mean
the engine failed atthe end and wanted to relight. and it couldnt
so it hit the ground too hard
L785[22:59:25] <Mat2ch> oh, and two engine
braking, but only landing on one engine. The other one got switched
off
L786[22:59:36] <Althego> that would also
make sense
L787[22:59:37] <Mat2ch> and I thought they
didn't use starter fluids anymore?
L788[22:59:41] <FLHerne> packbart: I don't
think Raptor uses hypergolic ignition
L789[22:59:41] <packbart> heh, the
Labpadre channel logged that as "Landing" in quotes
L790[22:59:41] <Mod9000> I keep channel
logs here: bitcoinshell.mooo.com/users/deddly/?C=M;O=D
L791[22:59:42] <Althego> because these
engines are too high thrust
L792[22:59:52] <FltAdmVonSpiz> this is
SpaceX, they change plans every five seconds
L793[22:59:59] <FltAdmVonSpiz> who knows
if they use TEB or not
L794[23:00:08] <Althego> yes i also
thought raptor is without started fluid because cant get that on
mars
L795[23:00:30] <Mat2ch> tbh, with proper
seats in the nose cone this could've been surivable...
L796[23:00:44] <Althego> maybe
L797[23:01:42] <Mat2ch> watch the
restarting from midair at T+06:32, no green flame there
L798[23:01:44] <FltAdmVonSpiz> the impact
sure
L799[23:01:45] <FltAdmVonSpiz> not the
fire
L800[23:01:51] <Mat2ch> The fire was
short
L801[23:02:01] <Althego> very little fluel
remaining
L802[23:02:17] <FltAdmVonSpiz> yeah, which
means you are cooked bleu
L803[23:02:21] <FltAdmVonSpiz> but you are
still cooked
L804[23:02:29] <Mat2ch> not in suits
L805[23:02:39] <Mat2ch> have you seen the
latest F1 crash? That was a proper cooking... :D
L806[23:02:43] <Althego> those suits would
survive that
L808[23:03:21] <Mat2ch> Scott Manley video
in less than two hours, I bet, :D
L809[23:03:59] <Althego> i will not wait
for that
L811[23:04:50] <Althego> not much, it
worked fine, except for the landing
L812[23:05:26] <Althego> the legs were
really not out
L813[23:06:04] <Althego> maybe because
that was timed and not based on altitude, and since it was going
down faster than expected...
L814[23:06:47] <FLHerne> That whole thing
was the most KSP thing IRL ever
L815[23:07:02] <Althego> no, there is the
scott manley lands a spacex booster video :)
L816[23:07:12] <Mat2ch> hrhr
L817[23:07:14] <Mat2ch> I'm going to
be
L818[23:07:16] <Mat2ch> good night!
L820[23:08:30] <flayer> yeah
L821[23:08:32] <Althego> the guy in the
stream must have been refreshing constantlu
L822[23:09:47] <UmbralDrone> So, did
SpaceX revert to lanch yet?
L823[23:11:43] <Althego> we wouldnt know
if they did
L824[23:14:42] <Althego> hehe, elon says:
mars, ehre we come
L826[23:26:44] <Althego> hehe
L827[23:26:54] <Althego> funny contrast of
result and message
L828[23:26:55] <UmbralDrone> hah
L829[23:27:07] <UmbralDrone> I mean, it
probably counts as a successful failure
L830[23:27:23] <packbart> potentially
survivable
L831[23:31:35] <packbart> so, when do they
strap Ripley into the nose
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