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L42[07:00:16] <minas_tirith> Lyneira, geraldbrent hi
L43[07:06:35] <darsie> .
L44[07:06:57] <minas_tirith> Hi darsie
L45[07:07:05] <darsie> .
L46[07:09:27] <UmbralDrone> ..
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L56[08:45:47] <Mat2ch> Althego: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1336041065879580673/photo/1 I bet they waited for Elon to get back from Germany.
L57[08:46:07] * Mat2ch looks at UmbralDrone
L58[08:46:16] <Mat2ch> Where's your hive?
L59[08:54:35] <UmbralDrone> well... https://photos.app.goo.gl/81s65njL4TmUcuZQ9
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L62[09:10:39] <packbart> well, Elon's not building a factory in Germany anytime soon, either
L63[09:16:59] <Mat2ch> woot?
L64[09:17:49] <Mat2ch> oh, well, nothing to worry
L65[09:18:04] <Deddly> What did I miss?
L66[09:18:09] <Mat2ch> and welcome to Germany, where it's more important to save a few hectar of forest than the climate.
L67[09:19:13] <Mat2ch> a court stopped the clearing of 82 hectar of forest (a timber to be clear), because of wildlife conservation
L68[09:19:33] <Deddly> Haven't they done that at least once before?
L69[09:19:41] <Mat2ch> They have
L70[09:19:52] <Deddly> But it was overturned very quickly
L71[09:20:10] <Mat2ch> but this is a new part for storage and pipelines
L72[09:21:04] <Mat2ch> it's funny. Those people say that they want to preserve rare animals, but climate change will probably kill them in a few years anyway
L73[09:21:07] <Mat2ch> so...
L74[09:21:43] <Mat2ch> "But we have to at least try". No, we have to take care of the huge problem first that will kill 90 % of all animals probably
L75[09:22:20] <Mat2ch> I see nobody of them protesting in front of the Brazilian embassy in Berlin, so...
L76[09:22:34] <Mat2ch> (and I don't consider this politics, this is self-preservation ;P )
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L81[10:01:52] <Althego> the live timer delayed
L82[10:01:57] <Althego> something like 2 hours?
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L84[10:22:13] <Mat2ch> 15:00 local time :P
L85[10:23:25] <Mat2ch> which is 14:00 GMT+0 which is the start of the launch window
L86[10:24:05] <Mat2ch> I hope we're going to see a crater. But I fear everything will go alright... :D
L87[10:24:14] <Althego> hehe
L88[10:24:22] <Althego> i doubt it would make a big crater
L89[10:24:35] <Althego> more like a pile of steel on fire
L90[10:24:45] <JVFoxy> Just found out about Yeager.. through a friend. Very much sad, :(
L91[10:25:06] <JVFoxy> Mind you... impressive he made it to 97 years
L92[10:25:37] <Althego> what, i didnt think he was still alive
L93[10:25:59] <JVFoxy> Passed on last night
L94[10:26:23] <JVFoxy> er well.. just yesterday. I don't know any more details. Suspect old age?
L95[10:27:44] <Althego> https://twitter.com/JerWah/status/1336098770648436736
L96[10:29:45] <JVFoxy> Any news on when the 15 turned 12km flight going to take place yet?
L97[10:30:25] <packbart> in ~3h at the earliest, says the stream link
L98[10:31:16] <JVFoxy> makes it 0530PST for me then.. arg. I keep trying to fix my sleep routine...
L99[10:31:47] <packbart> ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf83yzzme2I )
L100[10:34:08] <Mat2ch> since they have to block the road, clear the pad, fill the rocket... in 5-6 hours maybe
L101[10:34:36] <Mat2ch> the test window starts in three hours and then they usually need another three hours to go through all the checks
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L103[10:39:48] <JVFoxy> guess I could push my routine back just this one..
L104[10:40:13] <JVFoxy> forgot.. TX site right?
L105[10:40:56] <JVFoxy> oh n/m.. says on stream info.. gotta wonder though, if this thing decides to south.. planned cratering site?
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L116[12:32:30] <Althego> https://i.redd.it/onjyncyz5w361.jpg
L117[12:37:09] <Althego> (local) leet time
L118[12:37:46] <JVFoxy> colors or designs? kind of hard to figure colors if its in b/w.. derp
L119[12:39:02] <JVFoxy> makes me think of this: https://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/reserved-parking-for-green-vehicles-is-that-a-green-vehicle_100654074_l.jpg
L120[12:39:22] <JVFoxy> technically .. it is green. You weren't specific enough
L121[12:47:34] <Althego> here there are green registration plates for those cars, so it is obvious
L122[12:48:34] <Mat2ch> here they added an E to the plate and I don't like it.
L123[12:58:44] <JVFoxy> we got stickers too.. its a power cord that wraps around in a circle, with 'OK' in the middle
L124[13:00:38] <Althego> status: village cleared? people had to leave their homes at dawn because of a test? that sounds bad
L125[13:01:30] <JVFoxy> derp... stream got pushed another few hours? Got it showing it'll start at 8am here now instead of 5
L126[13:04:14] <Althego> and even after that it is going to take hours
L127[13:04:18] <Althego> you could just sleep instead
L128[13:05:48] <JVFoxy> is it sad I'm checking when the nearby coffee shop is going to open, right now?
L129[13:06:02] <Althego> hehehe
L130[13:06:49] <JVFoxy> half hour.... hmm
L131[13:07:11] <JVFoxy> I know if i go sleep.. I'm going to be a serious grouch and wanna sleep in 50 times
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L134[13:31:12] *** Deddly changes topic to 'Kerbal Space Program official channel | versions: KSP1 1.10.1 | Rules: tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | Starship "high altitude" flight, bellyflop, hoverslam on 9 December? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf83yzzme2I'
L135[13:36:00] <Althego> what
L136[13:36:40] <Althego> !nela
L137[13:36:41] <Kerbot> Althego => Starship Prototype - Starship Suborbital Test Flight (12.5 km) - Tue Dec 08, 2020 14:00:00 UTC (L-00:23:19) - https://rocketlaunch.live/launch/starship-suborbital- for info/stream
L138[13:36:58] <Althego> it is a bit out of date
L139[13:39:56] <Mat2ch> well, 16:00 UTC+0 it says now.
L140[13:40:17] <Mat2ch> And youtube really needs a better timer. It says "live in 2 hours" when it's 2 hours and 59 minutes...
L141[13:55:52] <Althego> i am never sure wheter it is rounding or truncating
L142[13:55:56] <Althego> quite annoying
L143[13:58:17] <Mat2ch> wellllllllllll
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L145[14:00:01] <Mat2ch> uh, they are booming SN8 again
L146[14:00:11] <Mat2ch> I hope just a safety check?
L147[14:00:24] <Mat2ch> But that means that the road is not closed yet and they havn't started anything
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L151[14:20:15] <umaxtu> booming?
L152[14:22:27] <JVFoxy> guessing reference to tank pressure test
L153[14:22:42] <umaxtu> ah
L154[14:25:05] <packbart> I guessed it means they brought the crane out
L155[14:25:13] <packbart> not watching any stream, though
L156[14:26:02] * packbart made it to The Expanse Book #5
L157[14:26:15] <JVFoxy> waiting on season 5 still
L158[14:26:45] <packbart> I hope they leave out the boring stuff at the beginning
L159[14:27:06] <packbart> and they'd need to cram 3 books into one season, I guess
L160[14:27:42] <packbart> 4 even. I didn't know there was a Book
L161[14:27:44] <packbart> #9
L162[14:27:56] <packbart> unpublished, yet
L163[14:28:07] <JVFoxy> didn't know about the books. Which is the story based off... the written or the series?
L164[14:28:15] <packbart> ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expanse_(novel_series) )
L165[14:28:49] <JVFoxy> ok so the book then
L166[14:28:55] <JVFoxy> the 'normal' way
L167[14:29:21] <umaxtu> I like the books better
L168[14:29:38] <umaxtu> Avasarala can swear there
L169[14:30:01] <packbart> ah, ok, they roughly followed the book, it seems. I thought we'd been up to Season 5 already, covering Book #4. I was wrong
L170[14:30:15] <packbart> yeah, I'm currently listening to the audio book series
L171[14:36:30] <JVFoxy> ah
L172[14:38:04] <JVFoxy> I read the first Eragon book.. it was a gift from co-worker ages ago.. then saw the movie. One of the times I got to compare to the two... other one was Golden Compass (I read all 3 books, though it took me a while to aquire)
L173[14:38:30] <umaxtu> don't get me wrong, the actor that plays Avasarala does a fantastic job, but the character loses something without the potty mouth
L174[14:39:35] <JVFoxy> you get a sense of her attitude in the series. I might end up a little turned off if she'd did fire her mouth off more
L175[14:46:35] <Mat2ch> umaxtu: JVFoxy: Reference to the boom lifts. ;)
L176[14:47:49] <JVFoxy> Mat2ch: ok.. what's the cherry picker boom cage thing doing? I'm not sure see connection with 'booming'?
L177[14:48:48] <Mat2ch> JVFoxy: I call it "booming", because from the distance it looks like they are doing something with the boom lifts themselfs on SN8.
L178[14:49:09] <Mat2ch> Think of it like "inspecting" or "repairing"
L179[14:49:32] <JVFoxy> ok.. different kind of 'boom'... was thinking explody boom type
L180[14:50:10] <Mat2ch> :)
L181[14:50:54] <Mat2ch> it looks like they are inspecting the cableing?
L182[14:55:06] <JVFoxy> mm.. inspeshhun
L183[14:55:25] <JVFoxy> dang it.. didn't even get that right
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L186[14:59:05] <darsie> Live in 61 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf83yzzme2I Starship | SN8 | High-Altitude Flight Test
L187[15:19:02] <JVFoxy> I'mma get coffee... kind of wanna be awake when this thing plays out
L188[15:20:12] *** Deddly changes topic to 'Kerbal Space Program official channel | versions: KSP1 1.10.1 | Rules: tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | Starship "high altitude" flight, bellyflop, hoverslam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf83yzzme2I'
L189[15:21:46] <Mat2ch> Comment from the Nerdle Cam stream: "Hello from Mars, please leave us alone."
L190[15:21:49] <Mat2ch> :D
L191[15:22:29] <Mat2ch> Pad seems to be clear so far
L192[15:22:45] <JVFoxy> Nerdle cam..?
L193[15:22:49] <Mat2ch> but I saw a car driving back, maybe the last workers?
L194[15:22:54] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5l9ZxsG9M
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L196[15:23:43] <JVFoxy> ooh that cam
L197[15:26:57] <JVFoxy> ok better run off do this coffee run before things start
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L199[15:42:44] <Mat2ch> :D
L200[15:44:16] <JVFoxy> and back
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L209[16:02:33] <JVFoxy> spacex channel 'still waiting'..
L210[16:03:16] <Althego> pbviously
L211[16:03:27] <Althego> just az 150k people
L212[16:03:56] <Tank2333> maybe it fell over
L213[16:04:12] <Tank2333> or they fighting of the Kraken
L214[16:05:02] <JVFoxy> tank farm venting
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L216[16:07:12] <Tristen_Simon> Hello everybody
L217[16:08:44] <Mat2ch> Hi
L218[16:08:45] <Mod9000> Hello, Mat2ch
L219[16:08:48] <JVFoxy> yo
L220[16:08:49] <Mat2ch> Hello Mod9000
L221[16:08:51] <Mod9000> How are things?
L222[16:08:51] <Mat2ch> :P
L223[16:09:47] <JVFoxy> derp
L224[16:09:56] <Althego> hehe
L225[16:10:44] <JVFoxy> 10 minutes felt like its been a lot longer...
L226[16:11:25] <JVFoxy> any word on when the actual window is? SpaceX just saying launch time TBD..
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L230[16:12:51] <Tristen_Simon> I heard it was supposed to be in a few days
L231[16:13:32] <Mat2ch> JVFoxy: iirc an hour
L232[16:13:34] <Mat2ch> at least
L233[16:14:04] <Mat2ch> But I can be wrong and they are faster at fueling now
L234[16:14:11] <JVFoxy> ok.. try to stay up that long. Maybe this can be start of brute forcing my sleep routine back to somewhat normal
L235[16:15:22] <Tristen_Simon> haha spacex ship go brrrr
L236[16:15:53] <JVFoxy> brrr cuz of cold tanks? Maybe
L237[16:16:12] <Tristen_Simon> it's weird how humans can understand rocket science, more or less Kerbals, considering they're pretty stupid.
L238[16:16:17] <JVFoxy> long as its not brrrrrrrrt... this no A-10 gun
L239[16:16:41] <Tristen_Simon> the brrrr is the sound it makes when it launches
L240[16:16:46] <JVFoxy> Mind you.. who was it used those A-10 guns as engines for a rocket in KSP a while back?
L241[16:16:59] <Rokker> A-10 ping
L242[16:17:02] <Althego> argh
L243[16:17:05] <Althego> i knew it
L244[16:17:08] <Mat2ch> lol
L245[16:17:09] <Mat2ch> helo Rokker
L246[16:17:12] <Rokker> s
L247[16:17:15] <Rokker> sup
L248[16:17:19] <Tristen_Simon> Either Matt Lowne, or Nexter's Lab
L249[16:17:27] <Rokker> are we all hyped for starship?
L250[16:17:30] <Mat2ch> New piece for a museum coming up. Maybe a bit flattend.
L251[16:17:32] <Althego> cant fuel it faster, because of the cold liquids
L252[16:17:34] <Tristen_Simon> heck yes
L253[16:17:39] <Althego> so it is impossible to launch in an hour
L254[16:17:41] <Rokker> and mourning yeager :(
L255[16:17:58] <Tristen_Simon> do they even have starship on the launchpad yet
L256[16:18:11] <Mat2ch> uh
L257[16:18:16] <Mat2ch> for WEEKS
L258[16:18:22] <Tristen_Simon> oh
L259[16:18:34] <Mat2ch> I have forgotton how long we are waiting for the flight now ;)
L260[16:18:35] <Rokker> Tristen_Simon: its literally launching like within the next few hours
L261[16:18:37] <JVFoxy> oh right here.. SWDennis https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjIu8jR5L7tAhXDLH0KHRYhDecQtwIwAXoECAEQAg&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DRkXDYC2y258&usg=AOvVaw0wnzrj1Src3hTJvBULDUpI
L262[16:18:46] <Tank2333> hi rokker o/
L263[16:18:51] <JVFoxy> oh for the love of... dang it google
L264[16:18:54] <Tristen_Simon> oh cool
L265[16:19:05] <Rokker> Tank wassup
L266[16:19:11] <Rokker> long time no see
L267[16:19:16] <Tank2333> nothing much...
L268[16:19:27] <JVFoxy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqL7fYIhhds
L269[16:19:29] <Tank2333> yeah
L270[16:20:13] <JVFoxy> cursor over the link, shows youtube link like it should. Copy it, then paste shows long garbage..
L271[16:20:31] <Rokker> oh btw JVFoxy a friend of mine is uploading videos of a livestream tour of the air force museum i did if you wanna check em out
L272[16:21:24] <JVFoxy> Rokker: ya.. sad about Yeager too. Friend gave me a heads up. I had someone reply to a comment I made on youtube about him a few weeks ago. It was a clip of his cameo in The Right Stuff.
L273[16:21:55] <JVFoxy> Rokker: sorry.. which one?
L274[16:22:09] <Rokker> the National Museum of the USAF
L275[16:22:15] <Rokker> in Dayton
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L277[16:23:21] <JVFoxy> ah..
L278[16:24:19] <Mat2ch> oh, in the NASA Spaceflight stream they just said that the target altitude of 15 km got lowered due to high wind zones there
L279[16:24:31] <Mat2ch> so they stay below that to get a more predictable fliggt
L280[16:24:34] <Mat2ch> *flight
L281[16:25:21] <Tristen_Simon> We don't want them to lose control and spin like a helicopter and hit the ground at Mach 3 unlike how we do in Kerbal Space Program
L282[16:25:33] <Mat2ch> SN8 venting
L283[16:26:13] <Rokker> they lowered it to 12.5 sometime last week
L284[16:26:40] <Mat2ch> And some kind of car just drove by
L285[16:26:51] <Tank2333> still no official stream?
L286[16:27:06] <JVFoxy> Rokker: just looking at some pics, was just curious. I'm not too big on fighter/air force stuff.
L287[16:27:23] <JVFoxy> I mean. .there are some stuff, but .. eh I don't know these days
L288[16:27:24] <Tank2333> JV how dare you
L289[16:27:44] <Rokker> we have the fastest X-15
L290[16:27:53] <Rokker> aka fastest plane in the world
L291[16:27:57] <Rokker> shoo
L292[16:28:20] <Tank2333> its more a rocket though
L293[16:28:32] <Rokker> nah
L294[16:28:36] <Rokker> its got wings
L295[16:28:58] <Tank2333> does it lift off from a runway?
L296[16:29:05] <Mat2ch> Then the Space Shuttle was faster. :D
L297[16:29:06] <Tank2333> on its own power
L298[16:29:28] <Mat2ch> stupid nitpickers here!
L299[16:29:32] <Mat2ch> ;)
L300[16:29:41] <Tristen_Simon> The space shuttle is technically a space plane and not a spaceship
L301[16:29:44] <JVFoxy> Karmen Line...
L302[16:30:31] <JVFoxy> Spaceshuttle: launches like a rocket, floats in space like a spaceship, lands like a plane... jack of all trades
L303[16:31:02] <Tristen_Simon> Wasn't the space shuttle carried upwards into the sky by another plane?
L304[16:31:16] <Tank2333> for testing yes
L305[16:31:32] <Tristen_Simon> ah
L306[16:31:50] <JVFoxy> shuttle transport plane.. it was drop tested, acted more like a glider.
L307[16:32:20] <JVFoxy> first flights were with an aerodynamic fairing. Later ones, it was removed, and engine bells exposed to see what the drag was like
L308[16:32:49] <JVFoxy> the fairing was kept for when the shuttle got transported during its operations
L309[16:35:03] <Tristen_Simon> and then once that was done, it launched straight up, put a satellite into orbit, and came back down AND LANDED ON A RUNWAY?! That must've taken a freaking BUNCH of aero-braking.
L310[16:35:17] <Tristen_Simon> Or parachutes
L311[16:35:52] <Tristen_Simon> Depending on whether it moved relative to the Earth's rotation, or to the opposite.
L312[16:36:49] <JVFoxy> flaming belly aerobraking.... (geez, almost was going to say aerobreaking.. that woudn't be good)
L313[16:37:02] <Tristen_Simon> If it moved to the opposite, then there would've been more atmospheric pressure and drag, because the air and the atmosphere are moving one way, and the space shuttle is moving the opposite direction to it.
L314[16:37:23] <Tristen_Simon> don't break the air that's not good
L315[16:37:26] <JVFoxy> retro orbits aren't really done
L316[16:38:07] <Tristen_Simon> what's a retro-orbit
L317[16:38:16] <Tristen_Simon> it says it's a radiation disease
L318[16:38:32] <Mat2ch> JVFoxy: except by Israel... :D
L319[16:38:35] <JVFoxy> orbiting the opposite direction the planet spins..
L320[16:38:39] <Tristen_Simon> oh
L321[16:38:55] <JVFoxy> Mat2ch well right... forgot about them. Though its not like they much choice..
L322[16:39:03] <Tristen_Simon> Mat2ch wait what
L323[16:39:24] <JVFoxy> polar orbits are a touch retro.. only cuz it helps to move the orbit around so its somewhat in line with the sun
L324[16:39:43] <Mat2ch> Tristen_Simon: that's the only way they can launch rockets from their country without going over another country
L325[16:39:46] <Mat2ch> also SN8 is venting
L326[16:39:51] <Mat2ch> but slowly
L327[16:40:25] <JVFoxy> well you could launch straight up.. although its not exactly.. efficient.
L328[16:40:25] <Tristen_Simon> oh
L329[16:40:49] <Mat2ch> JVFoxy: I guess then going retrograde is more efficient
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L331[16:41:08] <Tristen_Simon> If you want an orbit, use SRBs to get out of the atmosphere, then use LFE to get into orbit so that way you can control your thrust
L332[16:41:25] <Tristen_Simon> and how elliptical of an orbit you want
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L334[16:43:28] <Tristen_Simon> But, to escape Earth's Sphere of Influence, you're gonna want a few more SRBs to go after you decouple your LFE you used to get into orbit.
L335[16:44:25] * JVFoxy pokes net connection
L336[16:44:52] <JVFoxy> chances of them calling it off due to hydrolic issues?
L337[16:47:27] <Tristen_Simon> That would suck
L338[16:47:44] <JVFoxy> no.. it would suck if they launched and wings just flapped randomly
L339[16:47:46] <Tristen_Simon> But, better to be safe than sorry
L340[16:48:00] <Tristen_Simon> Then Starship gon go spin
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L342[16:48:13] <Tristen_Simon> or just plummet back towards the Earth
L343[16:48:50] <JVFoxy> I know the Atlas rocket for Apollo was somewhat rushed. They do pressure testing like they do today or..?
L344[16:48:54] <Tristen_Simon> We need fins because it helps control the ship's steering and direction.
L345[16:49:16] <Tristen_Simon> They do pressure testing a lot more seriously now and take the time to do it
L346[16:49:47] <JVFoxy> not so much steering but I think more pitch, angle. Steering you would need to roll the body, have a tail fin
L347[16:49:48] <Tristen_Simon> They won't release a launch date or launch at all if atmospheric pressure is too high
L348[16:50:19] <Tristen_Simon> yeah that's what i mean
L349[16:55:48] <Tristen_Simon> there's so many people here but barely anybody's talking
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L353[17:03:04] <Tristen_Simon> i have returned
L354[17:03:07] <Tristen_Simon> hello
L355[17:03:09] <Mod9000> Hello, Tristen_Simon
L356[17:04:04] <Tristen_Simon> halo
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L361[17:05:57] <Tank2333> tristen welcome to irc
L362[17:06:03] <Tristen_Simon> yes
L363[17:06:10] <Tristen_Simon> I have a question
L364[17:06:26] <Tank2333> this is the way it was and ever will be
L365[17:07:15] <Tristen_Simon> How are Kerbals so stupid, but they're able to understand Rocket Science more than we can.
L366[17:07:58] <Tank2333> behind the scenes its all different
L367[17:08:06] <Tristen_Simon> wdym
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L369[17:08:51] <Tank2333> wdym? is that a code for something?
L370[17:09:06] <Tristen_Simon> what do you mean (wdym)
L371[17:09:53] <flayer> Tank2333, you should have gone: "wdym? wdym?"
L372[17:10:32] <Tristen_Simon> i gotta go
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L374[17:10:53] <Tank2333> that was a fast goodby
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L376[17:11:50] <Jebediah_Kerman> aloH
L377[17:12:14] <sandbox> hola
L378[17:12:18] <flayer> hey tristen
L379[17:12:28] <sandbox> gone
L380[17:12:37] <flayer> he's back
L381[17:13:00] <sandbox> so it is
L382[17:13:12] <Jebediah_Kerman> oy yos iS
L383[17:13:54] <Jebediah_Kerman> beJ res odneignif yotsE
L384[17:15:37] <Jebediah_Kerman> odneicid yotse euq ol sadneitne on etnemelbaborP
L385[17:16:27] <Jebediah_Kerman> Translation: Hello. It is me. I'm pretending to be Jeb. You probably don't understand what I'm saying. (It's reversed Spanish)
L386[17:17:03] <Althego> maybe try reversing it like this
L387[17:17:12] <Althego> sᴉɥʇ ǝʞᴉl ʇᴉ ƃuᴉsɹǝʌǝɹ ʎɹʇ ǝqʎɐɯ
L388[17:17:49] <Jebediah_Kerman> how do i do that
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L390[17:19:57] <JVFoxy> lol.. RUD
L391[17:20:17] <JVFoxy> crazy elon..?
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L393[17:21:11] <Tristen_Simon> im back
L394[17:21:34] <Tristen_Simon> flayer how did you do that upside down text
L395[17:21:41] <flayer> i didn't
L396[17:21:47] <flayer> Althego did
L397[17:21:55] <Tristen_Simon> how tho
L398[17:22:01] <flayer> try https://www.upsidedowntextgenerator.com/
L399[17:22:22] <Tristen_Simon> ok i'll see if it works
L400[17:22:35] <Tristen_Simon> it does
L401[17:22:47] <Tristen_Simon> Ok im switch to Jebediah_Kerman now
L402[17:22:56] <flayer> just go /nick
L403[17:23:00] <flayer> /nick jebediah_kerman
L404[17:23:02] <Tristen_Simon> oh ok
L405[17:23:15] *** Tristen_Simon is now known as JebediahKerman
L406[17:23:23] <JebediahKerman> Yay
L407[17:23:27] <flayer> hi jeb
L408[17:24:03] <JebediahKerman> ɐloɥ
L409[17:24:09] <Tank2333> Jeb, why do you always die first?
L410[17:24:51] <JVFoxy> cuz he's a seat hog
L411[17:24:58] <Tank2333> ^^
L412[17:25:15] <JebediahKerman> ǝɯ ʎllnq noʎ ʎɥʍ
L413[17:25:25] <JVFoxy> I try to give Val time on the seat as well
L414[17:25:42] <JebediahKerman> sʇɥƃıɹ uɐɯoʍ
L415[17:26:00] <Tank2333> wooaahhhh
L416[17:26:07] <JVFoxy> no.. equal rights
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L418[17:26:13] <JebediahKerman> ɹǝɥ ɹǝʇɟɐ pǝɯɐu uooɯ ɐ sɐɥ ʎllɐɔısɐq lɐʌ
L419[17:26:50] <JVFoxy> I mean.. if it really gets me, I could dump them both into a pod somewhere on the runway, higher up other pilots
L420[17:27:05] <JVFoxy> ... hire.. ugh brain work.. not
L421[17:27:23] <JebediahKerman> noʎ ɹǝʇɟɐ pǝɯɐu uooɯ ɐ ƃuıʌɐɥ sɐ looɔ sɐ ʇou ʇnq looɔ ɐpuıʞ sı ɥɔıɥʍ 'lɐqɹǝʞ pǝzıuƃoɔǝɹ ʇsoɯ ǝɥʇ ǝq oʇ sı ʇǝƃ ı llɐ
L422[17:27:38] <Tank2333> im out... to long
L423[17:28:04] <JebediahKerman> ʇɐɥʍ
L424[17:28:42] <Tank2333> i wont try reading that text, its too long and life is too short
L425[17:29:04] <JebediahKerman> this is kinda like discord but it has less features
L426[17:29:10] <JebediahKerman> oops
L427[17:29:18] <JebediahKerman> sǝɹnʇɐǝɟ ssǝl sɐɥ ʇı ʇnq pɹoɔsıp ǝʞıl ɐpuıʞ sı sıɥʇ
L428[17:29:29] <JVFoxy> Didn't Scott get a space body named after him?
L429[17:29:30] <JebediahKerman> you know you can just look upside down
L430[17:29:57] <JebediahKerman> ¿pıp ǝɥ
L431[17:30:09] <JVFoxy> I can read it backwards, upside down.. its not /that/ hard
L432[17:30:20] <JVFoxy> ya.. video was a while back.
L433[17:30:39] <JebediahKerman> ¿ɯıɥ ɹǝʇɟɐ pǝɯɐu ʇoƃ ʇɐɥʍ
L434[17:30:56] <JVFoxy> In recognition for his work as a popular science communicator, asteroid 33434 Scottmanley was named after him. The official naming citation was published by the Minor Planet Center on 18 May 2019 (M.P.C. 114954).
L435[17:31:13] <Tank2333> nice
L436[17:31:19] <JebediahKerman> ohhh
L437[17:31:30] <Tank2333> he deserved it :)
L438[17:31:46] <JebediahKerman> who's scott
L439[17:31:55] <Althego> hehe
L440[17:32:14] <JebediahKerman> is he a KSP developer or a kerbal
L441[17:32:23] <Althego> no
L442[17:32:30] <JebediahKerman> ok
L443[17:32:42] <flayer> he's a spaceman
L444[17:32:42] <JVFoxy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIQ2byD6b6o
L445[17:32:46] <Tank2333> a KSP player who doesnt know Scott?
L446[17:32:48] <Tank2333> odd
L447[17:32:55] <JVFoxy> his video on it
L448[17:32:58] <JebediahKerman> I've only played it a few times
L449[17:33:01] <deadmind> he is pretty much an honorary Kerman by now
L450[17:33:03] <Althego> "hullo, it's scott manley here"
L451[17:33:06] <Tank2333> ah i see
L452[17:33:11] <Tank2333> Fly safe
L453[17:33:15] <Althego> his name is in the game :)
L454[17:33:22] <JebediahKerman> I only knew what KSP was about 6 months ago
L455[17:33:29] <deadmind> i was watching scott manley videos before i even tried KSP, he kinda got me into it
L456[17:33:42] <JebediahKerman> I didn't get the game until about a month ago on the XBOX One
L457[17:33:56] <JebediahKerman> I'm hoping to get a gaming laptop to play KSP on instead
L458[17:34:34] <JVFoxy> I found out about KSP through a friend who was over from Ireland, looking for work here. Back during 0.18
L459[17:34:40] <Tank2333> i firt wathed some of his orbital mechanics videos and than some ksp serieses
L460[17:35:03] <JebediahKerman> My uncle plays KSP and when he told me about it I really got into it
L461[17:35:22] <Tank2333> nice
L462[17:35:25] <Althego> cool uncle
L463[17:35:32] <JebediahKerman> then i went in blindly and thought going straight up would immediately put me into orbit
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L465[17:35:46] <JebediahKerman> but no, you actually have to do things
L466[17:35:47] <Tank2333> sadly my nephew only played minecraft minigames...
L467[17:36:22] <JebediahKerman> i'm even making a 2d remake of KSP with some people on Scratch
L468[17:36:27] <Tank2333> before i played kerbal i didnt even know what "orbit" realy means :)
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L470[17:37:07] <JebediahKerman> Here's the link to my KSP2D thing: https://scratch.mit.edu/studios/27870656/
L471[17:39:29] <JebediahKerman> My username is TwistenX
L472[17:39:37] *** JebediahKerman is now known as TwistenX
L473[17:39:45] <TwistenX> Now it's also my name here
L474[17:40:59] <TwistenX> bro where did everybody go
L475[17:41:07] <Althego> hehe
L476[17:41:15] <TwistenX> wot
L477[17:41:30] <Tank2333> the page does not load for me...
L478[17:41:44] <TwistenX> slow internet? it work for me
L479[17:41:49] <TwistenX> i'mma try again
L480[17:41:56] <Althego> probably doesnt want to crawl through the undersea cable
L481[17:42:03] <TwistenX> https://scratch.mit.edu/studios/27870656/projects/
L482[17:42:04] <Tank2333> im in europe . maybe thats why
L483[17:42:07] <TwistenX> here
L484[17:42:20] <TwistenX> it's an international page
L485[17:42:25] <Althego> yes, loads really slowly here too
L486[17:42:34] <JVFoxy> he's reading off speeds.. I still remember when Apollo did that, it was read off as ft/s... brain can't figure that scale out yet other than for vertical speed in aircraft
L487[17:42:45] <TwistenX> what
L488[17:43:01] <TwistenX> are you talking about the physics and pressure project?
L489[17:43:28] <Tank2333> my cat sunk into the ground
L490[17:43:38] <JVFoxy> watching the stream, guys replying to questions
L491[17:43:41] <TwistenX> we're doing m/s and km/s in the final project because that's what KSP uses
L492[17:43:55] <TwistenX> Tank2333 yeah that happens sometimes
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L494[17:44:07] <Tank2333> why not cm/s or mm/s
L495[17:44:19] <TwistenX> because KSP used m/s and km/s
L496[17:44:26] <JVFoxy> I know some m/s... but I'm better with km/s, knotts, km/h but when it comes to height, I can do feet, but km when it comes to orbital stuff
L497[17:44:43] <Tank2333> i want farthons/y
L498[17:44:54] * flayer lets some gas escape for Tank2333
L499[17:45:05] <TwistenX> stop this no we're using m/s and km/s
L500[17:45:06] <JVFoxy> too many different scales
L501[17:45:15] <TwistenX> we're only using 2 scales
L502[17:45:21] <Althego> only because of usa
L503[17:45:28] <Tank2333> :)
L504[17:45:29] <TwistenX> i live in USA
L505[17:45:31] <JVFoxy> flying planes, we use knots.. but flying ultralights they use MPH.. seriousy.. even in Canada?
L506[17:45:41] <Althego> but aviation uses strange units because of tehm
L507[17:45:44] <TwistenX> we're pretty dumb for using the imperial system
L508[17:45:53] <TwistenX> the metric system is easier and better
L509[17:46:05] <Tank2333> ^ tell that rokker
L510[17:46:16] <TwistenX> Rokker metric system better
L511[17:46:24] <packbart> even the old empire can't make up their mind about metrics
L512[17:46:30] <TwistenX> yes
L513[17:46:38] <Rokker> no
L514[17:46:39] <TwistenX> canada just uses both
L515[17:46:49] <TwistenX> yes metric system is easier
L516[17:47:03] <JVFoxy> you are what you are.. if it works for you.. then fine.
L517[17:47:10] <Althego> one of my favorite examples, say you have hex keys (allen keys), what order they are in in imperial?
L518[17:47:11] <Rokker> depends
L519[17:47:15] <Althego> completely illogical
L520[17:47:15] <Tank2333> but somehow even in germany we use inches for pipes.... dont ask why
L521[17:47:22] <TwistenX> germany
L522[17:47:26] <Althego> yes pipes are like that here too
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L524[17:47:32] <Althego> legacy stuff
L525[17:47:38] <Rokker> for my every day life, my foot is a foot long, my thumb is an inch
L526[17:47:43] <JVFoxy> I live in Canada, my dad still uses F for temps, I'm more familiar with C... wee
L527[17:47:45] <Rokker> very good for estimation
L528[17:47:50] <deadmind> even subwoofer diameters are specified in inches
L529[17:47:56] <TwistenX> i use fahrenheit
L530[17:48:10] <Rokker> Fahrenheit is clearly superior to celcius
L531[17:48:10] <packbart> double-decker buses per fortnight
L532[17:48:12] <deadmind> i don't even know how much my 12" is subwoofing
L533[17:48:13] <Althego> there was a mission about units :)
L534[17:48:15] <Rokker> like thats indisputable
L535[17:48:25] <Tank2333> Arent drill sizes just numbered ? like a drill number 5?
L536[17:48:25] <TwistenX> imperial system is good for estimation and metric system is good for exact
L537[17:48:35] <packbart> ( https://www.theregister.com/Design/page/reg-standards-converter.html )
L538[17:48:36] <Rokker> I'm gonna point out that when canada converted to metric they almost killed a hundred people
L539[17:48:40] <TwistenX> they're numbered by diameter in mm
L540[17:48:47] <Althego> estimation is totally learned, so you can learn to estimate in any unit
L541[17:48:50] <Rokker> METRIFICATION KILLS
L542[17:49:01] <TwistenX> they also have a population of millions out of a hundred dead
L543[17:49:03] <Rokker> almost*
L544[17:49:06] <JVFoxy> ... I could see someone saying, "I only use the width of my finger to measure everything. I'm getting tired of all your scales"
L545[17:49:39] <Rokker> TwistenX: why do you hate Air Canada passengers?
L546[17:49:39] <Tank2333> Metric is good because it works in all scales with the same base
L547[17:49:41] <Tank2333> or so
L548[17:50:06] * Tank2333 feels sorry for starting a Metric war
L549[17:50:16] <Althego> at least something is happening
L550[17:50:18] <deadmind> snakes work in all scales
L551[17:50:22] <deadmind> we should just use snakes/sec
L552[17:50:26] <Althego> it is a pointless war, since metric already won
L553[17:50:28] <TwistenX> Canada: *has 37.59 million population* Canada: *switches to metric system and 100 people die* Canada: "that's ok we still have lots of people" Rokker: "We're all gonna die!"
L554[17:50:34] <Rokker> honestly I think people make a bigger deal about metric-imperial than it really is
L555[17:50:35] <Althego> just backward places like usa keep hanging to imperial
L556[17:50:37] <TwistenX> I started the war WDYM
L557[17:50:55] <TwistenX> I said we're gonna used m/s and km/s in KSP2D and then this started
L558[17:51:21] <Tank2333> TwistenX well i pinged rokker fully aware of what would happen
L559[17:51:28] <JVFoxy> ... there was that UFO sim game.. they used their own esoteric scales
L560[17:51:28] <TwistenX> Rokker i only been on wilson airlines
L561[17:51:39] <Rokker> if metric users were really concerned about ease of use and stuff then yall would stop using km/h
L562[17:51:39] <TwistenX> i've only been on a commercial airline once
L563[17:51:47] <Rokker> thats a sad existence
L564[17:51:49] <TwistenX> like, 6 years ago, when i went to Texa
L565[17:51:51] <Rokker> go ride some planes
L566[17:51:54] <TwistenX> Texas*
L567[17:51:58] <Rokker> also
L568[17:52:01] <TwistenX> but there's a travel ban
L569[17:52:08] <Rokker> the aviation industry uses imperial
L570[17:52:10] <TwistenX> and they're really expensive
L571[17:52:16] <Rokker> internationally
L572[17:52:30] <TwistenX> metric still better tho
L573[17:52:38] <Rokker> then why don't planes use it
L574[17:52:41] <Rokker> checkmate
L575[17:52:45] <TwistenX> cuz they're dumb
L576[17:52:48] <TwistenX> checkmate
L577[17:52:54] <Rokker> planes are smarter than y
L578[17:52:55] <Rokker> u
L579[17:52:55] <Tank2333> Rokker napolion tried to get rid of the 60 seconds minute, but it was too much
L580[17:53:07] <TwistenX> planes don't understand rocket science
L581[17:53:10] <Althego> yes i think that can stay
L582[17:53:11] <TwistenX> checkmate
L583[17:53:14] <Althego> annoying to use
L584[17:53:18] <Althego> but it is too hard to change it
L585[17:53:20] <Rokker> napoleon tried to get rid of russia too, look how that worked out for him
L586[17:53:21] <JVFoxy> rocket planes.. or aka superplanes
L587[17:53:25] <TwistenX> russia
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L589[17:54:07] <Rokker> metric is for countries that don't know how to land people on the moon
L590[17:54:11] <Tank2333> in russia russia gets rid of you
L591[17:54:35] <TwistenX> i tried to show people the progress i'm making on my KSP2D but it ended up starting Metric/Imperial Warfare.
L592[17:54:41] <packbart> so, like the US? they don't know how to land on the moon anymore, either. scnr :)
L593[17:54:55] <packbart> the knowledge is gone by now
L594[17:54:59] <TwistenX> NASA just gave up on space
L595[17:55:07] <Althego> and by the speed sls is developed, china will be there fastser in this round :)
L596[17:55:15] <Tank2333> TwistenX often things end up in a metric war
L597[17:55:16] <TwistenX> they just decided that it's Elon Musk's responsibility now
L598[17:55:22] <packbart> I say, SLS is not supposed to fly ever
L599[17:55:23] <JVFoxy> there's no pressure like with moon race.. derp
L600[17:55:33] <Althego> but elon may skip the moon and go to mars directly
L601[17:55:37] <TwistenX> Now it's a Mars race
L602[17:55:45] <TwistenX> U.S.A. vs. China
L603[17:55:49] <JVFoxy> moon not worth it? riiiiight
L604[17:55:58] <Althego> and let the lobby people do the lobby launcher and lobby lander for the moon
L605[17:56:00] <packbart> there's not much to do on the Moon
L606[17:56:02] <JVFoxy> rather see us do moon as a learning step before mars
L607[17:56:06] <TwistenX> Falcon Heavy vs. Falcon 9 (Made in China version)
L608[17:56:14] <Rokker> HOW MANY INCHES PER HOUR DO I NEED TO TRAVEL FOR ORBIT
L609[17:56:17] <Rokker> REEEEE
L610[17:56:31] <TwistenX> how fast does the earth pull you down?
L611[17:56:41] <JVFoxy> how many inches? all of them
L612[17:57:12] <Rokker> this naval trainer seems very interested in this launch https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/DJrK42Xj/Screenshot_20201208-125509_Chrome.jpg
L613[17:57:24] <Tank2333> i guess all the plans for the artemis programm will be shuffled again with this new administration, SLS will be new designed to use MEthan! for Mars! by 2026
L614[17:57:29] <TwistenX> 21360 inches/h
L615[17:57:41] <Rokker> thats definitely not right
L616[17:57:53] <TwistenX> then you need to have a equatorial speed of 21360 inches/h for a low-earth orbit
L617[17:58:25] <Rokker> 1.1 million inches per hour
L618[17:58:26] <TwistenX> earth's gravity is 386 inches per second
L619[17:58:32] <Rokker> ur wayyyy off
L620[17:58:38] <TwistenX> 386*60=21360
L621[17:58:48] <Rokker> what
L622[17:58:53] <Rokker> thats not how math works
L623[17:59:01] <Althego> wrong units
L624[17:59:02] <TwistenX> i used a calculator wdym
L625[17:59:08] <Tank2333> lol
L626[17:59:12] <Althego> cant be inches per second, that is speed
L627[17:59:14] <Rokker> 7.8 km/s
L628[17:59:18] <Rokker> right?
L629[17:59:23] <Tank2333> yeah
L630[17:59:37] <TwistenX> oh im stupid i had to do 386*60*60
L631[17:59:47] <TwistenX> bruh
L632[17:59:53] <Althego> !calc 386*60*60
L633[17:59:53] <Kerbot> Althego => 1389600
L634[17:59:56] <Althego> behold
L635[18:00:09] <TwistenX> woah there's a calc command?
L636[18:00:25] <TwistenX> poggers
L637[18:00:26] <Althego> not that it sees much use here
L638[18:00:29] <Tank2333> we had muh more fun things in here back in teh old days
L639[18:00:37] <TwistenX> ok
L640[18:00:58] <Rokker> the wb-57 is gonna be watching the launch
L641[18:01:12] <Althego> so what are they doing now? poking around a huge shiny metal rod
L642[18:01:21] <Althego> just let it fly
L643[18:01:29] <Tank2333> i guess no launch today?
L644[18:01:30] <TwistenX> Hey, Vsauce! Michael here. Red was not An Impostor. Or was he? *Vsauce theme*
L645[18:01:34] <Rokker> they are unhooking the flaps
L646[18:01:59] <TwistenX> hi herbert
L647[18:02:07] *** TwistenX is now known as herbert
L648[18:02:09] <herbert> eeeee
L649[18:02:49] <herbert> e
L650[18:03:24] <packbart> miles per megadarwins per minute
L651[18:03:28] *** herbert is now known as ReliantBetterThanSwivel
L652[18:03:32] <ReliantBetterThanSwivel> ok
L653[18:03:37] <Tank2333> wtf is "a" darwin
L654[18:03:50] <ReliantBetterThanSwivel> SWEAR WORD
L655[18:04:04] *** ReliantBetterThanSwivel is now known as ReliantBetterSwivel
L656[18:04:12] <ReliantBetterSwivel> ok does this nick better
L657[18:04:14] <Tank2333> im sorry my lord for that i have have sinned,
L658[18:04:29] <ReliantBetterSwivel> Now, it's time for you to PERISH
L659[18:04:32] <ReliantBetterSwivel> also
L660[18:04:35] <Althego> the hubble constant has a strange unit
L661[18:04:37] * Tank2333 perrishes
L662[18:05:03] <ReliantBetterSwivel> "Reliant" is better than "Swivel." -ReliantBetterSwivel
L663[18:05:10] <Tank2333> Althego isnt that the expanding universe acceleration thingy?
L664[18:05:15] <ReliantBetterSwivel> how do you do those star thing
L665[18:05:22] <packbart> I like the Pug from Missing History
L666[18:05:32] <ReliantBetterSwivel> bro my cat just kissed me'
L667[18:05:46] <Mat2ch> oh no, they are booming it again :P
L668[18:05:49] <Althego> that is a kiss of death, the cat wants to kill you
L669[18:05:54] <ReliantBetterSwivel> kerbal-boom
L670[18:05:58] <ReliantBetterSwivel> u o
L671[18:06:09] <ReliantBetterSwivel> but it's sleeping on my lap and purring
L672[18:06:10] <Althego> i almost always use the swivel, because it swivels :)
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L674[18:06:23] <ReliantBetterSwivel> what does swivel mean
L675[18:06:36] <ReliantBetterSwivel> I like "Reliant" because it's reliable XD
L676[18:06:47] <ReliantBetterSwivel> and because it has more thrust
L677[18:06:56] <ReliantBetterSwivel> and oxidizer usage
L678[18:07:26] <Althego> it is slightly ebtter just by engien paramters
L679[18:07:35] <ReliantBetterSwivel> ye
L680[18:07:37] <Althego> but the lack of gimbaling makes it a lot worse in practice
L681[18:07:57] <Althego> i am not going to put fins on a rocket if i can avoid it
L682[18:08:13] <ReliantBetterSwivel> y tho
L683[18:08:18] <Tank2333> oh the LV-T30
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L685[18:09:10] <Tank2333> wich version did they name the engines?
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L687[18:09:18] <Althego> in star trek 2 there is a battle between the reliant and the enterprise :)
L688[18:09:23] <mrBlaQ> enough with the cranes just launch the dang thing
L689[18:09:30] <mrBlaQ> something's gotta blow
L690[18:09:34] <Althego> the nameing happened years ago :)
L691[18:10:03] <Tank2333> i know, i do feel old but i would like to know how old :)
L692[18:10:15] <Althego> i started without names too
L693[18:10:36] <ReliantBetterSwivel> LV-T30 is Swivel
L694[18:10:44] <ReliantBetterSwivel> LV-T45 is Reliant
L695[18:11:07] <ReliantBetterSwivel> I literally have the name of every stock KSP part written down for KSP2D
L696[18:11:09] <Tank2333> LV-T30 "Reliant" Liquid Fuel Engine
L697[18:11:16] <Tank2333> from the wiki
L698[18:11:24] <ReliantBetterSwivel> oh dang it i mixed it up
L699[18:11:51] <ReliantBetterSwivel> fricc
L700[18:12:30] <ReliantBetterSwivel> did you guys check out the KSP2D soundtrack
L701[18:12:32] <JVFoxy> reliant.. swivel... bells on those makes me think of two versions of raptor engines
L702[18:12:55] <ReliantBetterSwivel> Reliant and Swivel do sound like engine names
L703[18:13:11] <Althego> i think of star trek and an old game (swiv)
L704[18:13:13] <JVFoxy> vector is the shuttle main engines
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L707[18:13:38] <Kerbodyne> and kerbodyne engines and fuel tanks
L708[18:13:57] <Kerbodyne> there aren't any ore engines tho
L709[18:14:06] <Kerbodyne> there's ore tanks
L710[18:14:11] <Kerbodyne> no ore engines
L711[18:14:12] <Tank2333> ore?
L712[18:14:18] <Tank2333> like iron ore
L713[18:14:24] <Kerbodyne> Yeah, ore is a material in KSP
L714[18:14:26] <mrBlaQ> is that a flight qualified tie down strap on the port flap
L715[18:14:32] <JVFoxy> lol... ore engines
L716[18:14:46] <JVFoxy> was that mood dust powered engine, but its a mod
L717[18:14:50] <Kerbodyne> y do we get ore tanks but no ore engines
L718[18:14:54] <JVFoxy> .. moon.. ugh this whole thing is a mood but anyways
L719[18:15:12] <Tank2333> Kerbodyne what would thos ore engines do?
L720[18:15:12] <Kerbodyne> IT'S THE MUN
L721[18:15:15] <packbart> well, you could patch the nuke engine to "burn" ore
L722[18:15:34] <Kerbodyne> They'd probably be turned into solid fuel or liquid fuel maybe?
L723[18:15:37] <Kerbodyne> OH
L724[18:15:44] <JVFoxy> iron fusion.. ya considering the sun can't fuse heavy metal elements.. think we can?
L725[18:16:02] <Tank2333> Go to Cern for that
L726[18:16:13] <JVFoxy> fuse lead.. make gold
L727[18:16:18] <Kerbodyne> What if Ore Engines burn the ore in the Ore Tanks and it gets transported to the SRBs with a Fuel Transporter?!
L728[18:16:25] <Tank2333> that is devils work
L729[18:16:32] <JVFoxy> I wanna see solid fuel tanks
L730[18:16:36] <Kerbodyne> yes
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L732[18:16:39] <Kerbodyne> SFTs
L733[18:16:41] <JVFoxy> stackable SRBs
L734[18:16:46] <Althego> so everyday astronaut started his stream too
L735[18:17:01] <Kerbodyne> Kerbot
L736[18:17:02] <packbart> the sun could fuse iron, iirc. it's just doesn't make a profit
L737[18:17:15] <Kerbodyne> well yeah the Sun don't need profit
L738[18:17:27] <Kerbodyne> it's just gonna kill us all in 5 billion years
L739[18:17:48] <Tank2333> packbart when it fuses iron its more like an investment in the future
L740[18:17:56] <packbart> entropy is going to kill us all, eventually
L741[18:17:56] <Tank2333> for more profit
L742[18:18:14] <Tank2333> now im sad
L743[18:18:19] <JVFoxy> death taxes entropy...
L744[18:18:22] <Tank2333> didnt know that
L745[18:18:28] *** Kerbodyne is now known as LV-T30_Reliant
L746[18:18:39] <LV-T30_Reliant> Finally I got this nick to work
L747[18:18:53] <LV-T30_Reliant> Why am I changing my nick so much
L748[18:19:05] <JVFoxy> bored?
L749[18:19:09] <LV-T30_Reliant> yeah
L750[18:19:21] <Tank2333> fidn a job
L751[18:19:26] <LV-T30_Reliant> Im 13
L752[18:19:28] <LV-T30_Reliant> wdym
L753[18:19:32] <Tank2333> even better
L754[18:19:44] <Tank2333> the arly bird...
L755[18:19:45] <LV-T30_Reliant> u wot m8
L756[18:19:47] <Tank2333> early
L757[18:19:51] <LV-T30_Reliant> i have school
L758[18:20:03] <Tank2333> onyl because you have no job
L759[18:20:15] <LV-T30_Reliant> BRO IM 13 I CANT HAVE A JOB
L760[18:20:28] <Tank2333> work for my retirement! now!
L761[18:20:32] <LV-T30_Reliant> nah
L762[18:20:40] <LV-T30_Reliant> i don't want to
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L764[18:21:17] <Tank2333> what about the american dream?
L765[18:21:37] <LV-T30_Reliant> keep dreaming
L766[18:21:44] <LV-T30_Reliant> it's not happening
L767[18:21:44] <Tank2333> wash some dishes and become a millionare
L768[18:21:53] <LV-T30_Reliant> imagine that happens
L769[18:21:58] <Tank2333> ive seen that,
L770[18:22:04] <Tank2333> in the movies
L771[18:22:05] <LV-T30_Reliant> wot
L772[18:22:08] <Tank2333> its real
L773[18:22:10] <LV-T30_Reliant> in movies
L774[18:22:15] <LV-T30_Reliant> bru
L775[18:22:33] <Tank2333> well elon musk kinda did it
L776[18:22:36] <Tank2333> :)
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L778[18:26:57] <LV-T30_Reliant> elon musk didn't become a millionare by washing dishes
L779[18:27:37] <JVFoxy> so.. 3pm I hear?
L780[18:27:43] <LV-T30_Reliant> ok
L781[18:32:08] <LV-T30_Reliant> ...
L782[18:32:39] <Tank2333> he was behind paypal and sold his part of it and with that he started making rokets
L783[18:32:53] <LV-T30_Reliant> ah
L784[18:33:04] *** LV-T30_Reliant is now known as yes
L785[18:33:34] <yes> or no
L786[18:35:00] <yes> or no
L787[18:35:16] <yes> #kspofficial
L788[18:35:19] <Mat2ch> no
L789[18:35:27] *** yes is now known as no
L790[18:35:36] <no> or yes
L791[18:35:50] *** no is now known as _
L792[18:35:59] <_> ok
L793[18:37:53] <_> i gtg
L794[18:37:58] <_> bye
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L796[18:38:32] <Mat2ch> uh, well
L797[18:38:45] <JVFoxy> wasn't expecting this big of a delay. Bad enough i didn't sleep yet
L798[18:39:17] <Althego> there is always a delay
L799[18:40:24] <JVFoxy> spacex said 8amPST.. coming up to 11am. Now they pushing till 1pm
L800[18:41:27] <JVFoxy> lol.. 114k still waiting on that channel
L801[18:41:29] <JVFoxy> but anyways
L802[18:42:18] <JVFoxy> I'mma rest a little, otherwise I'm going to be too out of it by the time they test
L803[18:42:26] <Mat2ch> Have a good sleep
L804[18:42:45] <JVFoxy> thanks.. will try
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L806[18:42:53] <Althego> after hours of delay, it is going to happen on the next day :)
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L808[18:53:07] <Tristen_Simon> I have returned.
L809[18:53:19] *** Tristen_Simon is now known as TwistenX
L810[18:53:34] <TwistenX> Wanna start another Metric/Imperial War? :D
L811[18:54:09] <TwistenX> Tank2333 You there?
L812[18:54:24] <TwistenX> Mat2ch?
L813[18:54:39] <TwistenX> Rokker is back!
L814[18:55:13] <TwistenX> helo?
L815[18:55:16] <Tank2333> damn did i miss it?
L816[18:55:21] <TwistenX> miss what
L817[18:55:28] <Tank2333> Starship
L818[18:55:30] <TwistenX> idk
L819[18:55:30] <Tank2333> hop
L820[18:55:43] <TwistenX> i was doing schoolwork
L821[18:56:19] <TwistenX> IDK if it's launched yet
L822[18:56:57] <Tank2333> no
L823[18:57:05] <TwistenX> hold on brb
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L825[18:57:17] <UmbralDrone> ...
L826[18:57:27] <Tank2333> hi raptor
L827[18:57:32] <UmbralDrone> hi
L828[18:57:34] <Mod9000> Hello, UmbralDrone
L829[18:58:17] <Rokker> Tank2333: no
L830[18:58:24] <Rokker> still waitinf
L831[18:58:28] <Tank2333> yeah
L832[18:58:39] <Rokker> Tank2333: we have at least an hour until the observation plane takes off
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L834[18:58:45] <TwistenX> K, I'm back
L835[18:58:59] <TwistenX> So, Starship hasn't launched yet?
L836[18:59:00] <Tank2333> i see
L837[18:59:11] <TwistenX> BTW, what is Starship's mission?
L838[19:00:15] <Tank2333> fly to around 12km and land
L839[19:00:23] <TwistenX> Oh
L840[19:00:29] <Tank2333> not sure if it will belly flip
L841[19:00:52] <TwistenX> That's just 2km above the atmosphere
L842[19:01:09] <Tank2333> 12... not 102
L843[19:01:24] <Tank2333> the karman line is around 100km
L844[19:01:47] <Tank2333> playnes fly around 10km for cruising
L845[19:01:58] <TwistenX> Why is Kerbin, like 10x smaller than Earth, but it's atmosphere is only 0.5x smaller
L846[19:02:18] <Tank2333> because its a game
L847[19:02:19] <TwistenX> The karman line is the absolute VERY end of the atmosphere
L848[19:02:31] <Tank2333> not in reality
L849[19:02:45] <TwistenX> 10km is just the end of the main part of the atmosphere
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L851[19:02:59] <TwistenX> Where most of the O2 is
L852[19:03:01] <Tank2333> the higher you go the thinner the air gets, but at 100km its so thin you can call it space
L853[19:03:49] <TwistenX> At the Karman Line, there's only about 1 O2 molecule every cubic meter
L854[19:04:17] <TwistenX> At 60m, sea level, there's about 1 million ever cubic centimeter
L855[19:04:33] <Tank2333> well the iss is around 400km and it still has to fight the drag and the russians have to boost it up from time to time
L856[19:05:09] <Tank2333> its just not a hard line
L857[19:05:11] <TwistenX> Anything above 30km is pelted with radiation because that's where the Ozone Layer is
L858[19:05:36] <Tank2333> ozone is the result of radiation
L859[19:06:10] <TwistenX> The layer keeps us safe from it
L860[19:06:18] <TwistenX> Ozone is radiation
L861[19:06:22] <Tank2333> no
L862[19:06:23] <TwistenX> hence the name
L863[19:06:33] <Tank2333> ozone is o³
L864[19:06:47] <Tank2333> 3 oxigen atoms
L865[19:06:58] <TwistenX> Trioxygen
L866[19:07:21] <Tank2333> kinda
L867[19:07:29] <TwistenX> That's literally it's name
L868[19:07:37] <TwistenX> Here's what Google says
L869[19:07:49] <TwistenX> Ozone, or trioxygen, is an inorganic molecule with the chemical formula O ₃. It is a pale blue gas with a distinctively pungent smell. It is an allotrope of oxygen that is much less stable than the diatomic allotrope O ₂, breaking down in the lower atmosphere to O ₂.
L870[19:08:07] <Tank2333> when UV hits o² it splits up and when reforming it sometimes forms with 3 atoms
L871[19:08:09] <Tank2333> or so
L872[19:08:17] <TwistenX> I guess ozone is also kinda why the sky is blue
L873[19:08:25] <TwistenX> it takes part in it
L874[19:08:44] <TwistenX> but it's mainly O2 molecules taking in blue light from the sun
L875[19:08:59] <Tank2333> i dont think so, that has more to do with how light gets absorbed by the atmosphere
L876[19:09:03] <TwistenX> yes
L877[19:09:26] <TwistenX> the O2 molecules take in the blue light while the rest are ineffective
L878[19:09:33] <TwistenX> thus, making the sky blue
L879[19:09:37] <Tank2333> blue mainly does get scattered farhter because it ha more energy so that is what we see
L880[19:10:18] <TwistenX> The more the energy, the slower the light moves
L881[19:10:19] <Tank2333> if O2 would absorb blue the sky would be green :)
L882[19:10:35] <TwistenX> Purple light moves the slowest, and Red light moves the fastest
L883[19:10:44] <Tank2333> fast?
L884[19:10:53] <TwistenX> Ye
L885[19:11:09] <TwistenX> Different colored lights have slightly different speeds
L886[19:11:48] <Tank2333> but red has the lowest energy density
L887[19:12:02] <TwistenX> they're off by about 1 hectometer or decimeter
L888[19:12:16] <TwistenX> It has the lowest density, which makes it move faster
L889[19:12:46] <TwistenX> the lower the energy and density, the faster it moves
L890[19:13:28] <TwistenX> Red: Lowest energy and density/fastest colored light. Purple: Highest energy and density/slowest colored light.
L891[19:14:19] <TwistenX> How do I remember this, this is from 5th and 6th grade
L892[19:14:27] <TwistenX> I'm in 7th grade now
L893[19:15:57] <TwistenX> White light has the absolute least energy and density, so we see white light first before anything. Black light is the has the absolute most energy and density, so we see black light last.
L894[19:16:44] <Tank2333> black light?
L895[19:16:53] <Tank2333> you mean the absent of light
L896[19:16:57] <TwistenX> Yeah
L897[19:17:06] <TwistenX> It's just darkness
L898[19:17:19] <Tank2333> how can that has energy
L899[19:17:22] <TwistenX> Darkness is the densest
L900[19:17:33] <TwistenX> Nothing can't have energy
L901[19:17:53] <Tank2333> but no photon no energy
L902[19:18:31] <TwistenX> it's still has matter, right?
L903[19:18:37] <Tank2333> no
L904[19:18:46] <TwistenX> wait what
L905[19:18:48] <Tank2333> it is light
L906[19:18:55] <TwistenX> oh
L907[19:18:58] <Tank2333> light has no mass, thats the trick
L908[19:19:13] <TwistenX> light has no mass and no matter
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L910[19:19:22] <TwistenX> that's why black holes exist
L911[19:19:29] <Tank2333> kinda
L912[19:19:31] <Mat2ch> TwistenX: na, metric always wins. :P
L913[19:19:40] <Tank2333> ...
L914[19:19:41] <TwistenX> Yesss Mat2ch
L915[19:20:07] <TwistenX> although, it's velocity also counts for creating black holes
L916[19:20:50] <TwistenX> If it's velocity is higher than the velocity of the gravity of the object, light can move
L917[19:21:08] <Tank2333> that makes no sense to me
L918[19:21:11] <TwistenX> But, black holes are SOOOO massive, not even light can escape it
L919[19:21:20] <TwistenX> Hold on, I'll explain it.
L920[19:21:34] <TwistenX> First, know these words;
L921[19:21:59] <Tank2333> what do you mean by velocity of the gravity
L922[19:22:15] <kubi> speed of light?
L923[19:22:20] <TwistenX> How fast the object's gravity is pulling them
L924[19:22:48] <TwistenX> Earth's gravitational velocity is approximately 9-10 m.s
L925[19:22:51] <TwistenX> *m/s
L926[19:23:14] <kubi> eh?
L927[19:23:25] <TwistenX> However, the black holes escape velocity is so high, that it's faster than light speed
L928[19:23:39] <Tank2333> yes
L929[19:23:48] <TwistenX> So, that's what makes black holes, black
L930[19:24:04] <kubi> is that Earth flat that has 9-10 m/s grtavitational velocity?
L931[19:24:11] <Tank2333> and the time stays still at the event horizon
L932[19:24:37] <TwistenX> kubi Yes, that's Earth's average gravitational pull speed at sea level.
L933[19:24:46] <TwistenX> Tank2333 yes
L934[19:24:47] <kubi> what is the pull speed?
L935[19:24:50] <Tank2333> 9.82
L936[19:24:52] <Tank2333> i think
L937[19:25:08] <kubi> and what is that?
L938[19:25:09] <TwistenX> 9.807 m/s
L939[19:25:19] <TwistenX> That's how fast things fall on Earth
L940[19:25:27] <TwistenX> On avergae
L941[19:25:28] <kubi> really?
L942[19:25:32] <TwistenX> Yeah
L943[19:25:35] <Tank2333> how fast thing accelerate
L944[19:25:55] <Tank2333> everysecond it gets 9.81ms/s faster
L945[19:26:06] <TwistenX> Every second, while falling, you'll gain a velocity of 9.81 m/s faster.
L946[19:26:17] <kubi> so, it is m/s2
L947[19:26:31] <Tank2333> m/s /s
L948[19:26:38] <kubi> that is the "speed of changing the speed", not how the fall
L949[19:26:39] <TwistenX> If you start at 1 m/s, then after 1 second, you'll be falling at 10.81 m/s
L950[19:26:41] <Tank2333> its linear
L951[19:26:57] <TwistenX> Gravitational acceleration
L952[19:27:29] <kubi> so, there is no such thing "gravitational velocity"
L953[19:27:36] <TwistenX> However, air resistance effects your velocity
L954[19:27:49] <kubi> unless you talk about the propagation of gravitational force
L955[19:28:11] <TwistenX> That's just how I say "Gravity speed"
L956[19:28:15] <Tank2333> i think he misspoke
L957[19:28:28] <kubi> I think many things...
L958[19:28:41] <TwistenX> I just call it that
L959[19:28:50] <Tank2333> im a working man, i dont think anymore
L960[19:29:10] <kubi> but physics is not really about beliefs (at least on our level)
L961[19:29:27] <TwistenX> Well, yeah. I guess it's gravitational acceleration and not gravitational velocity.
L962[19:29:33] <Tank2333> the new star trek shows tell me otherwise
L963[19:29:47] <Tank2333> everything is about emotion
L964[19:29:48] <kubi> well, that is not star trek anymore
L965[19:29:57] <Tank2333> true
L966[19:30:00] <kubi> whatever the title says
L967[19:30:11] <kubi> but this is my belief :)
L968[19:30:18] <TwistenX> But in space, outside of anything's SoI, there kind of is De-gravitational velocity
L969[19:30:30] <TwistenX> Because you're not accelerating
L970[19:30:36] <Tank2333> its not startrek, its action soap opra
L971[19:30:52] <kubi> not accelerating?
L972[19:30:54] <TwistenX> In Zero Gravity, you can't accelerate by something's gravity
L973[19:31:01] <kubi> in theory or in practice?
L974[19:31:05] <Tank2333> well you are kind of always accelerating towards something
L975[19:31:10] <TwistenX> In practice
L976[19:31:21] <TwistenX> Acceleration is gaining speed
L977[19:31:33] <TwistenX> I'm pretty sure this is theory though
L978[19:31:36] <Tank2333> you mean like lagrange points?
L979[19:31:38] <kubi> in practice, the gravitational force is negligible "far enough" from any other objects
L980[19:31:55] <TwistenX> Yeah, kinda. I'll explain
L981[19:32:06] <TwistenX> This say this...
L982[19:32:35] <TwistenX> You are outside of Earth's Sphere of Influence and are traveling at 8km/s.
L983[19:32:47] <kubi> acceleration is the vector (scalar and direction) of the velocity verctor's change
L984[19:33:04] <Tank2333> this feels like how my nephew tells me about how important protein shakes are for muscle building
L985[19:33:18] <kubi> :)
L986[19:33:32] <TwistenX> You won't be able to gain speed without being pulled by another object's gravitational pull, or using, say, a jetpack, or pushing off something.
L987[19:33:53] <kubi> then tell him that it is more important to move your fat bottom instead of typing on your phone
L988[19:34:06] <Tank2333> TwistenX well but at the end we are accelerating towards "the big attractor" if you want it or not
L989[19:34:32] <TwistenX> So, in zero gravity, you can only gain acceleration by external forces or gravity.
L990[19:34:39] <Tank2333> Kubi, he is 14 now and he has quiete the body, with sixpack and all
L991[19:34:44] <kubi> what is Earth's sphere of influence?
L992[19:34:55] <TwistenX> 9.2 lakh km
L993[19:34:57] <kubi> ah, cool, so he might be right then
L994[19:35:09] <TwistenX> I don't know what "lakh" means
L995[19:35:36] <TwistenX> This feels like a Vsauce video
L996[19:35:37] <UmbralDrone> 10000, typically as a unit of money
L997[19:35:40] <kubi> so then we do not know what sphere of influence is
L998[19:35:41] <Tank2333> he dreams of being a world class box champion
L999[19:35:52] <UmbralDrone> er, wait, 100000
L1000[19:35:59] * UmbralDrone pokes India with a stick
L1001[19:36:10] <TwistenX> We know what it is, we just don't know how to measure it
L1002[19:36:28] <kubi> umm
L1003[19:36:31] <TwistenX> It can be measured in any form you want
L1004[19:36:36] <TwistenX> Anything can
L1005[19:36:50] <kubi> so you define it as a distance
L1006[19:37:04] <TwistenX> You can measure by km, or inches, or hydrogen atoms, or lightyears, or just units.
L1007[19:37:12] <kubi> and beyond that there is no gravitational force from Earth>
L1008[19:37:34] <TwistenX> Yeah, it's just called; "1 Earth soi"
L1009[19:37:42] <Tank2333> so than lakh is not big enough to count my money... sad
L1010[19:37:49] <TwistenX> Like how we have "1 Earth radius"
L1011[19:37:52] <kubi> hmm
L1012[19:38:22] <kubi> so what is that theoretical distance where we can say there is 0 force from another body?
L1013[19:38:23] <TwistenX> So, it's bigger than the amount of money on Earth
L1014[19:38:34] <kubi> and 1mm below that how much is the force?
L1015[19:38:46] <Tank2333> 1 picomenter
L1016[19:38:52] <UmbralDrone> kubi: depends on how much precision you want
L1017[19:39:01] <Tank2333> all of ti
L1018[19:39:02] <Tank2333> it
L1019[19:39:24] <kubi> so, we say, we neglect the force?
L1020[19:39:31] <kubi> we can neglect anything
L1021[19:39:34] <TwistenX> It would effect you about probably 1*10^10'000'000 less than it does at surface.
L1022[19:39:47] <kubi> even the one here and now
L1023[19:41:15] <TwistenX> yes
L1024[19:41:55] <Tank2333> 10E-7 is not that much though, ive seen worse
L1025[19:41:56] <TwistenX> We have an operator in this conversation, wow.
L1026[19:42:06] <TwistenX> yeah
L1027[19:42:40] <kubi> smooth operator
L1028[19:42:54] <Tank2333> dum dum da da dum da dum dum daradum dum
L1029[19:43:09] <TwistenX> Tank2333 wot
L1030[19:43:17] <Tank2333> smooth criminal
L1031[19:43:23] <Tank2333> RIP micheal
L1032[19:43:27] <TwistenX> rip
L1033[19:43:29] <TwistenX> f
L1034[19:43:43] <Tank2333> f
L1035[19:43:55] <kubi> or a linear operator
L1036[19:44:33] <UmbralDrone> aaaaaaa
L1037[19:45:05] <TwistenX> kubi wot is a linear operator
L1038[19:46:07] <Tank2333> sounds like a coding thing
L1039[19:46:16] <TwistenX> It does, and I cde
L1040[19:46:17] <Tank2333> something with class
L1041[19:46:20] <TwistenX> code*
L1042[19:46:33] <Tank2333> or in a libary
L1043[19:46:37] <TwistenX> ye
L1044[19:46:47] <TwistenX> Okay, what science should we talk about now
L1045[19:47:06] <Tank2333> maybe something with a framework
L1046[19:47:12] <UmbralDrone> I want to say an operator A such that when applied to functions b and c, A(b*c) = A(b) * A(c) and A(b+c) = A(b) + A(c)
L1047[19:47:30] <Tank2333> IM OUT
L1048[19:47:43] <TwistenX> How do you not understand this
L1049[19:48:06] <kubi> a nice, well behaved, linear one, isn't it?
L1050[19:48:12] <TwistenX> I just need to know what b or c is and I need to know how I'm supposed to answer it
L1051[19:48:32] <UmbralDrone> so eg: a derivative d/dx is a linear operator
L1052[19:48:42] <TwistenX> yes
L1053[19:49:15] <TwistenX> Hey guys let's talk about atmospheric science
L1054[19:49:39] <Tank2333> air is thinner than wat
L1055[19:49:42] <Tank2333> water
L1056[19:49:46] <TwistenX> Yes
L1057[19:49:59] <TwistenX> Because air is gas
L1058[19:50:04] <TwistenX> Water is liquid
L1059[19:50:19] <kubi> ummm
L1060[19:50:27] <kubi> is that true?
L1061[19:50:32] <TwistenX> Solid are thickest, liquids are medium, and gases are thinnest.
L1062[19:50:36] <Tank2333> TIL
L1063[19:50:39] <TwistenX> Well, yeah
L1064[19:50:48] <Tank2333> wow
L1065[19:50:52] * Tank2333 mind blown
L1066[19:50:56] <TwistenX> I dunno about plasma tho
L1067[19:51:08] <UmbralDrone> plasma densities are all over the place
L1068[19:51:24] <TwistenX> Electricity, Fire, Cells
L1069[19:51:34] <TwistenX> Radiation
L1070[19:51:35] <Tank2333> 3 words yes
L1071[19:51:40] <TwistenX> 4
L1072[19:51:45] <kubi> d/dx(a(x)*b(x)), would it be d/dx a(x) * d/dx b(x) ?
L1073[19:51:45] <TwistenX> ARE YOU BLIND
L1074[19:51:51] <TwistenX> yes
L1075[19:52:19] <kubi> I do not think so
L1076[19:52:32] <TwistenX> The Sun is literally a burning, exploding ball of plasma and gas
L1077[19:52:39] <Tank2333> Math is for losers
L1078[19:52:41] <UmbralDrone> hm
L1079[19:52:54] <Tank2333> Meth is for winners....
L1080[19:52:56] * UmbralDrone may be misremembering the definition
L1081[19:52:59] <TwistenX> Also for people who plan on getting a job
L1082[19:53:16] <kubi> d/dx ( a(x) + b(x)) = d/dx a(x) + d/dx b(x), for sure
L1083[19:53:19] <Tank2333> i have a job
L1084[19:53:32] <TwistenX> is it drug dealing
L1085[19:53:37] <Tank2333> no
L1086[19:53:46] <TwistenX> Are you sure about that
L1087[19:53:50] <Tank2333> yes
L1088[19:53:54] <TwistenX> HMMMM
L1089[19:54:06] <TwistenX> I dunno, I think you're sus
L1090[19:54:22] <TwistenX> Guys vote Tank2333
L1091[19:54:33] <TwistenX> *Vote*
L1092[19:54:34] <Tank2333> sus? like suviet Union?
L1093[19:54:42] <Tank2333> soviet
L1094[19:54:44] <Tank2333> lol
L1095[19:54:52] <TwistenX> Bro, the Soviet Union was U.S.S.R
L1096[19:54:52] <kubi> I think d/dx(a(x) * b(x) = a(x)*d/dx(b(x) + b(x)*d/dx(a(x)
L1097[19:55:15] <kubi> ... with properly closing the parentheses where I missed them :)
L1098[19:55:33] <kubi> d/dx(a(x) * b(x)) = a(x)*d/dx(b(x)) + b(x)*d/dx(a(x))
L1099[19:55:36] <TwistenX> The United of Soviet Socialist Republics
L1100[19:55:49] <TwistenX> The Susviet Union
L1101[19:56:03] <kubi> or, in short: (a*b)' = a*b' + b*a'
L1102[19:56:07] <TwistenX> I gtg
L1103[19:56:08] <TwistenX> bye
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L1105[19:56:41] <Tank2333> i work in a fatorie with big machines, only simple math requeired and mostly not even that
L1106[19:56:52] <Tank2333> damn he is a fast leaver
L1107[19:57:12] <Tank2333> anyway i have to go too, good night all
L1108[20:00:06] <kubi> I hope we will no quoted as the source of gravitational velocity tomorrow in the physics exam
L1109[20:04:34] <Tank2333> well he brought it up so...
L1110[20:06:04] <Tank2333> this was exactly how my nephew spits out facts he learned in youtube videos :)
L1111[20:06:43] * Tank2333 feels like that sentence was not well structured
L1112[20:07:05] <Tank2333> anyeway im out now
L1113[20:07:07] <Tank2333> for real
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L1115[20:09:38] <Neal> so how about that 6am launch eh
L1116[20:10:08] <Neal> is it supposed to launch any time soon?
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L1120[20:32:20] <kubi> 6am lunch?
L1121[20:32:28] <kubi> nah, breakfast maybe
L1122[20:35:19] <UmbralDrone> .nextlunch
L1123[20:35:20] <LunchBot> UmbralDrone: Gumbo.
L1124[20:35:31] <UmbralDrone> hm, that would be tasty
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L1126[20:43:46] <TwistenX> helo
L1127[20:44:09] <UmbralDrone> EHLO
L1128[20:44:34] <TwistenX> yes
L1129[20:45:40] <TwistenX> dang it Tank2333 is gone
L1130[20:45:47] <TwistenX> kubi is still here tho
L1131[20:48:34] <TwistenX> nobody is talk
L1132[20:48:45] <FLHerne> All watching SN8 news
L1133[20:49:10] <kubi> well
L1134[20:49:28] <kubi> space is silent
L1135[20:51:23] <TwistenX> What is SN8 news
L1136[20:51:34] <TwistenX> Are they recording Starship launch?
L1137[20:52:44] <TwistenX> How is there 126 users but nobody is talking?
L1138[20:53:56] <kubi> about?
L1139[20:54:08] <TwistenX> Anything.
L1140[20:54:19] <TwistenX> Nobody's saying anything at all.
L1141[20:54:33] <TwistenX> Except me and you.
L1142[20:54:34] <kubi> nothing more to say
L1143[20:54:37] <kubi> maybe
L1144[20:54:45] <TwistenX> Then why are they still here?
L1145[20:55:07] <kubi> waiting for something to say
L1146[20:55:19] <TwistenX> Hm.
L1147[20:55:37] <umaxtu> heres a conversation starter, Chicago or Detroit style pizza?
L1148[20:55:44] <FLHerne> TwistenX: A lot of people leave IRC open basically 24/7
L1149[20:55:56] <FLHerne> And look in whenever they've got time
L1150[20:56:09] <TwistenX> Hm
L1151[20:56:19] <kubi> or a BNC that keeps it open
L1152[20:56:28] <TwistenX> Has SPACEX decided on an exact launch time for StarShip?
L1153[20:57:14] <FLHerne> NASA's observation plane is taking off at 1530 CST, so probably about 1645 at the earliest
L1154[20:57:42] <FLHerne> Sorry, 1615
L1155[20:58:39] <TwistenX> So, 1:30pm PST and 2:15pm PST? (I live in Washington, so I used Pacific Time.)
L1156[20:58:48] <kubi> whatever
L1157[20:58:53] <kubi> but what about the pizza?
L1158[20:59:11] <TwistenX> I don't know. What even is the difference?
L1159[20:59:34] <kubi> or what those 3rd world cities have to do with pizza
L1160[21:00:09] <TwistenX> I've never had pizza in a state that's not Washington, Idaho, or Oregon.
L1161[21:00:28] <kubi> oregano is OK for a pizza
L1162[21:00:48] <kubi> but how would you use the other two?
L1163[21:01:22] <TwistenX> I don't know.
L1164[21:01:30] <TwistenX> To me, pizza is just pizza.
L1165[21:02:05] <TwistenX> Wait, why does IRC used Military Clocks?
L1166[21:02:42] <TwistenX> Like saying 13:02 instead of 1:02pm?
L1167[21:02:51] <FLHerne> Quicker to type :p
L1168[21:03:00] <TwistenX> Hm
L1169[21:03:11] <FLHerne> Also, I'm English and I think we just use 24h time more
L1170[21:03:23] <FLHerne> All rail/bus timetables are in 24h
L1171[21:03:34] <TwistenX> I'm American and I use am/pm.
L1172[21:03:35] <umaxtu> Chicago style is definitely different from other pizza. Detroit is just deep-dish
L1173[21:03:47] <TwistenX> Oh, deep-dish is good.
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L1175[21:05:22] <umaxtu> also relevant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCgYMFtxUUw
L1176[21:09:00] <Mat2ch> Tank farm is venting
L1177[21:09:08] <Mat2ch> so maybe they are propellant loading
L1178[21:10:02] <FLHerne> I love that someone felt this needed addressing https://spacenews.com/op-ed-no-mars-is-not-a-free-planet-no-matter-what-spacex-says/
L1179[21:10:19] <FLHerne> (a) it's obviously a joke, and a good one
L1180[21:10:56] <FLHerne> (b) someone takes SpaceX's Mars plans seriously enough to consider that it might not *always* be a joke
L1181[21:11:38] <Althego> they managed to do this test so slowly that i am going to go to bed before it happens
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L1183[21:13:29] <Althego> i could try to run horizon zero dawn quests for a few hours
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L1185[21:20:24] <FLHerne> WB-57 is flying
L1186[21:21:12] <Althego> but i dont really see the refueling
L1187[21:21:18] <FLHerne> https://www.flightradar24.com/NASA927/2641ce56
L1188[21:21:39] <FLHerne> They wouldn't be sending the observation plane down if they weren't planning to fly in an hour or so :p
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L1195[22:14:04] <Mat2ch> We have ice forming on the LOX tank!
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L1197[22:21:55] <umaxtu> no ice on the nose yet
L1198[22:28:08] <Mat2ch> that seems to be starting now
L1199[22:28:30] <packbart> SpaceX stream about to start
L1200[22:28:36] <Althego> siren
L1201[22:28:42] <Althego> something is happening then
L1202[22:29:24] <packbart> (again)
L1203[22:30:35] <Mat2ch> waiting
L1204[22:30:38] <Mat2ch> again
L1205[22:30:40] <Mat2ch> :D
L1206[22:30:45] <Mat2ch> Official stream is live
L1207[22:30:52] <Mat2ch> With countdown!
L1208[22:31:02] <Althego> hah
L1209[22:31:29] <Mat2ch> 3:30!
L1210[22:31:31] <Althego> i guess the whole flight will be less than 2 minutes
L1211[22:31:45] <Mat2ch> but will it end with a bang?
L1212[22:32:10] <umaxtu> probably
L1213[22:32:11] <Mat2ch> T-3:00
L1214[22:32:43] <Mat2ch> T-2:30
L1215[22:33:13] <Mat2ch> T-2:00
L1216[22:33:27] <Mat2ch> to 'plode or not to 'plode, that's the question of the day!
L1217[22:33:43] <Mat2ch> T-1:30
L1218[22:34:13] <Mat2ch> T-1:00
L1219[22:34:21] <Mat2ch> We are still going!
L1220[22:34:31] * Mat2ch is hyped
L1221[22:34:32] <Althego> tenth in the counter :)
L1222[22:34:35] <Mat2ch> oh yes
L1223[22:34:42] <Mat2ch> not well fitting there. Not tested ;)
L1224[22:34:46] <Mat2ch> T-0:30
L1225[22:34:53] <Althego> didnt test the test
L1226[22:35:04] <Althego> i started smiling
L1227[22:35:17] <Althego> waited for this for so long
L1228[22:35:20] <mrBlaQ> water system!
L1229[22:35:24] <Althego> abort
L1230[22:35:46] <Althego> which means nothing is going to happen today
L1231[22:35:51] <mrBlaQ> ope
L1232[22:35:51] <Mat2ch> Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
L1233[22:35:53] <mrBlaQ> no ignition
L1234[22:37:01] <mrBlaQ> ok who did it. who's at fault
L1235[22:37:09] <packbart> Kerbalism
L1236[22:37:22] <packbart> engine ignition failure
L1237[22:39:09] <Mat2ch> Standing down for the day.
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L1239[22:42:20] <deadmind> they forgot to plug in the joystick before launching ksp
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