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L23[02:15:03] <darsie> t-6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZGI_lHGltA Rocket Lab 'Return To Sender' Launch

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L25[02:20:05] <darsie> t-1

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L32[03:16:33] <Althego> hah the first stage made it back

L33[03:25:19] <Althego> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnO_fYkVQAEQdZE?format=jpg&name=small

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L36[03:26:02] <Althego> and an other one is a bit battered https://twitter.com/TrevorMahlmann/status/1329479298437230594

L37[03:27:15] <Althego> https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/936219170/scientists-discover-outer-space-isnt-pitch-black-after-all?t=1605842646976

L38[03:27:32] <Althego> https://arxiv.org/abs/2011.03052

L39[03:27:34] <JVFoxy> lol.. gnomes in space

L40[03:27:44] <Althego> only on

L41[03:27:44] <Althego> e

L42[03:27:59] <JVFoxy> starts with just one ;)

L43[03:31:13] <minas_tirith> The moon is an interesting body

L44[03:34:46] <Althego> i noticed it just now but they put a huga postal stamp on the fairing

L45[03:38:09] * umbralra1top keeps on expecting but not finding a schector function in that paper

L46[03:38:47] <minas_tirith> umbralra1top, are you a mathematician?

L47[03:40:36] <umbralra1top> astronomer

L48[03:41:56] <minas_tirith> umbralra1top, wow thats tough shit

L49[03:42:48] <Althego> backseat modding: no swearing on the channel

L50[03:43:04] <minas_tirith> Oh right

L51[03:43:11] <minas_tirith> But yes thats extremely tough stuff

L52[03:43:16] <umbralra1top> It's not *that* difficult at times. Also you're fined one credit for violating the verbal morality statute

L53[03:43:46] <minas_tirith> umbralra1top, I can't even begin to understand math/physics and you do it for a living

L54[03:45:05] <Althego> more than one hour until the bakery opens. i woke up too early and i am going to be hungry

L55[03:49:35] <umbralra1top> ah, there it is, in section 5

L56[03:50:04] * umbralra1top missed something, since I assumed that minas_tirith had a software dev day job

L57[03:50:21] <minas_tirith> umbralra1top, what does that have anything to do

L58[03:50:34] <Althego> in contrast to a night job, which is secret defender of gotham?

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L61[03:51:22] <umbralraptop> yes, exactly like that

L62[03:51:26] <minas_tirith> umbralraptop, flexing his power

L63[03:51:42] <umbralraptop> minas_tirith: I mean, as in you probably have a lot of the relevant math/science background already

L64[03:52:00] <minas_tirith> We were taught very little math

L65[03:52:11] <minas_tirith> And most of the math won't be needed every day

L66[03:52:55] <Althego> since i left the simulation business, there really was no math in the code

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L68[03:57:57] <Althego> on the other hand the amount of stuck up germans is zero

L69[03:58:43] <Althego> there were 2 sane software guys, all the other normala people were hardware

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L71[03:59:21] <minas_tirith> Althego, do you ski?

L72[03:59:38] <Althego> no

L73[04:01:10] <Althego> winter sports are deadly

L74[04:01:44] <Althego> if they dont kill you they maim you

L75[04:02:04] <Althego> and i hate cold anyway

L76[04:02:22] <minas_tirith> I want to ski

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L88[05:58:40] <Althego> mars planetary base builder game: per aspera

L89[05:58:53] <minas_tirith> Althego, are you latin

L90[05:59:07] <Althego> are you a bot?

L91[05:59:17] <minas_tirith> No

L92[05:59:30] <Althego> a bot would say that too :)

L93[05:59:34] <minas_tirith> Yes

L94[05:59:47] <Althego> per aspera is the name of the game

L95[06:00:22] <minas_tirith> Althego, its a nicen ame

L96[06:01:45] <Althego> anyway it looks great, but not buyable yet

L97[06:11:38] <minas_tirith> Althego, I wanna make ambient art

L98[06:15:47] <Althego> this is what i needed. last year i was playing surviving mars for weeks around this time. now i am going to play per aspera. as soon as it is released

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L102[07:44:08] <minas_tirith> Hi

L103[07:44:10] <Mod9000> Hello, minas_tirith

L104[07:49:36] <minas_tirith> Mod9000, Inquisition

L105[07:49:48] <minas_tirith> (the us-colombian band)

L106[07:49:54] <minas_tirith> I was listening to it today

L107[07:50:40] <minas_tirith> Mod9000, have you been to Colombia?

L108[07:50:46] <minas_tirith> I mean to visit the nation one day

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L110[07:52:28] * umbralraptop parsed that as us-columbian blend, like it was some sort of coffee

L111[07:53:05] * minas_tirith parses umbralraptop

L112[07:56:43] <umbralraptop> but did you use regular expressions?

L113[07:57:22] <minas_tirith> umbralraptop, nope, full cfg

L114[07:57:51] <umbralraptop> fiar enough

L115[07:57:59] <Althego> hehe

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L123[09:20:21] <Althego> but no recovery pictures yet https://www.flickr.com/photos/rocketlab/

L124[09:20:51] <Althego> those bee satellites are really small

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L127[09:33:29] <Mat2ch> Still no road closures. hm.

L128[09:37:28] <Althego> i wouldnt expect them this week

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L137[11:09:43] <Althego> more leaning tower of florida https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULxCW2j_nDs

L138[11:10:17] <Althego> unrelated: broken sword has the most horrible control scheme i have ever seen in an adventure game

L139[11:10:42] <Althego> broken sword 3

L140[11:10:49] <Althego> 1-2 was ok

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L144[11:48:24] <Mat2ch> why is it leaning?

L145[11:48:32] <Mat2ch> stormy weather?

L146[11:48:50] <Althego> they wouldnt try to land in bad weather

L147[11:48:55] <Althego> probably a leg is damaged

L148[11:53:44] <Mat2ch> Stormy weather after the landing could cause this

L149[11:53:54] <Mat2ch> when the barge is thrown around by the waves

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L164[15:35:54] <Savion_> hello

L165[15:36:01] <packbart> hello

L166[15:36:04] <Mod9000> Hello, packbart

L167[15:36:08] <packbart> hello Modbot

L168[15:36:23] <Savion_> what is this about?

L169[15:36:30] <packbart> Space!

L170[15:36:46] <packbart> or so I've been told

L171[15:37:02] <darsie> Ficticious space.

L172[15:37:37] <darsie> We simulate space.

L173[15:37:38] <packbart> well, Kerbal Space, in any case

L174[15:37:47] <Savion_> ahhh there we go "fictitious"! :D

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L188[19:36:09] <Althego> what about it

L189[19:45:54] * darsie took a recovery contract and the dimensions of the item indicade an inflated heat shield. I encountered a deflated heat shield.

L190[19:47:14] <Althego> still better than when i needed to recover a decoupler, with the new biggest diameter (the really big one). in total darkness, because docking is always in dark

L191[19:47:32] <Althego> the issue is there is a whole in the center so i couldnt use the indicator

L192[19:47:43] <darsie> hole ;)

L193[19:48:16] <darsie> The klaw had trouble latching onto the shield, too.

L194[19:50:07] <Althego> the arecibo observatory is closing down because the damage is too dangerous to repair

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L196[19:50:09] <Guest77687> e

L197[19:50:17] <Althego> e!

L198[19:50:42] <Guest77687> how do the aerodynamics for reentry work in code

L199[19:50:55] <Althego> we dont know, closed source

L200[19:51:07] <Guest77687> no like the technque

L201[19:51:17] <darsie> In KSP or rl?

L202[19:51:17] <umbralraptop> I guess there's always FAR

L203[19:51:23] <Guest77687> we know how space works (patched conics)

L204[19:51:30] <Guest77687> how does reentry and flight work

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L206[19:51:41] <Althego> full os simplifications

L207[19:52:02] <Althego> of

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L209[19:52:12] <umbralraptop> There's something with drag cubes (so it has an idea of what parts are visible/causing drag in a given direction, as well as some effects from their shapes)

L210[19:52:19] <umbralraptop> But it has assumptions that allow for shenanigans

L211[19:52:23] <Althego> yes, far is way more closer to reality

L212[19:52:25] <umbralraptop> see eg: those heat shield wings

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L214[19:52:53] <Guest77687> how does that work then

L215[19:53:25] <Guest77687> i'm trying to find the technique for reentry aerodynamics to make a game myself pretty much

L216[19:53:45] <Althego> i doubt it actually does anything different for reentry

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L218[19:54:05] <Althego> as compared to flight

L219[19:55:37] <Althego> even simplified simulation of any kind of fluid dynamics is a field in itself

L220[19:56:54] <Althego> lol https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/jvltdw/three_axle_artificial_gravity_station/

L221[19:56:55] <FLHerne> Guest77687: If you want a realistic, consistent aerodynamics system, KSP's is not one to copy

L222[19:57:10] <FLHerne> It's better than it was pre-1.0, but that's not saying much

L223[19:57:21] <Guest77687> Orbiter?

L224[19:57:48] <FLHerne> Don't know

L225[19:58:00] <darsie> Hmm, I just made 106 km Ap with a whiplash.

L226[19:58:07] <darsie> 6.7 g

L227[19:58:30] <Althego> hmm, repair kits for fixing parts in 1.11

L228[19:59:00] <Althego> but the example shows wheel, which was already repairable

L229[19:59:05] <Althego> i was hoping for something else

L230[19:59:06] <FLHerne> Guest77687: FAR is probably the gold-standard for spaceflight-simulator aerodynamics

L231[19:59:08] <Althego> maybe engines

L232[19:59:56] <FLHerne> Broadening the field, X-Plane, but I don't think the source is available

L233[20:01:09] <FLHerne> There's a high-level description here https://www.x-plane.com/desktop/how-x-plane-works/

L234[20:06:40] <Althego> hehe paradoxically the only thing i can tell you how real commercial simulators do it. they dont. they are always for a specific aircraft, and simply use measured data from the real one to interpolate forces. because of this a game is a lot harder to do since there is no real counterpart to measure from

L235[20:10:13] <Althego> at least there is one picture of return to sender https://twitter.com/Peter_J_Beck/status/1329728110749597697

L236[20:10:38] <Althego> the interesting thing would be the bottom, how badly it is damaged by heat

L237[20:10:59] <Althego> but looks remarkably clean compared to a flacon 9

L238[20:13:49] <FLHerne> Althego: X-Plane does have a (very expensive) FAA-certified version for actual training

L239[20:14:48] <Althego> of course you can certify anything if it comes up with correct results. there are different levels for that too

L240[20:15:13] <Althego> but none of the simulators i worked with had actual aero simulation

L241[20:15:20] <Althego> but had these shortcuts

L242[20:15:31] <Guest77687> doesn't xplane use the lift of each section of wing

L243[20:15:55] <Guest77687> or is that a diffferent kind of lift of each section of wing

L244[20:17:48] <Althego> also the sims i worked with were all military, therefore they were never certified by any authority

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L246[20:26:37] <FLHerne> Guest77687: Read the link above

L247[20:26:46] <FLHerne> Althego: neat

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L249[21:09:47] <Guest77687> where is said link

L250[21:09:55] <Guest77687> oh ok found it

L251[21:09:56] <Guest77687> nvm

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L263[22:08:47] <Jovian_Oracle> IS KSP2 out yet?

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L266[22:12:45] <umbralraptop> No, and not until 2022 last I saw

L267[22:14:12] <Jovian_Oracle> If we go by Star Citizen time, that might have to be extended into 2032.

L268[22:14:36] <Jovian_Oracle> I am hoping, but recognize the unlikely occurrence, of the next update to KSP 1 making my game work.

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L270[22:16:20] <Jovian_Oracle> Oh well, at least I still have Surviving Duna and Jebediah: Dangerous

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L280[22:32:51] * darsie found a class I comet on a sun escape trajectory https://i.ibb.co/j5znVvY/screenshot248.png

L281[22:35:45] * umbralraptop wonders if it got a sling, or if comets are generated with e = 1.05 or the like

L282[22:41:24] <darsie> hm?

L283[22:41:56] <darsie> There are non escaping comets, too.

L284[22:42:24] * darsie got a challenge.

L285[22:43:07] <darsie> First, capture it to the Sun. Then, bring it to LKO or so.

L286[22:45:04] <darsie> I'll make an eccentric orbit, change plane at Ap, then go after the comet from Pe.

L287[22:46:00] <darsie> I should pack several nervs, but I'm too lazy. I'll try with my single nerv asteroid pusher.

L288[22:46:41] <darsie> Would it be cruel to bring Bill on a command seat? :)

L289[22:50:46] <JVFoxy> one of my goals, make a base on an asteroid after its made into a safe orbit. chances of happening: ... eh ya.. just survive Covid first

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L291[22:57:47] <darsie> JVFoxy: define safe orbit.

L292[22:58:21] <JVFoxy> darsie safe as in it won't hit anything for decades

L293[23:00:00] <darsie> That's not so hard.

L294[23:02:08] <JVFoxy> maybe not.. depends on settings

L295[23:02:27] <JVFoxy> sandbox, easy. Career, easy to how many lifetimes you wanna do it by?

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L300[23:17:27] <Jovian_Oracle> Let's see if a GPU driver update works.

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L302[23:20:42] <Jovian_Oracle> Drats

L303[23:26:23] <Jovian_Oracle> More detailed analysis of the UnityPlayer.dll related crashes as they relate to Citrix, which I do not have, reveal that those particular crashes involve the Citrix display adapter.

L304[23:26:55] <Jovian_Oracle> This is intriguing, as my own crashes started after swapping out monitors that would be classified in the same device group.

L305[23:43:43] <Jovian_Oracle> Trying to see if C++ reinstallation might help, but now I'm getting an error.

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