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L43[05:53:30] <krb> all your rovers belong
to china uwu
L44[05:53:48] <Althego> why the rovers? not
all your base?
L45[05:59:47] <krb> base belong to north
lorea
L47[06:01:42] <krb> the perfect murder
weapon for the modern age - the lUL
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L73[08:07:12] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I've got engineer's block, where should I go and what should I do
there
L74[08:09:43] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
as in I don't know what to build, and I've just been making planes
drive into the sea
L75[08:11:06] <Althego> you could make
planes drive into the sea. on laythe
L76[08:11:59] <Althego> or a plane
releasing a submarine on laythe to go to the deepest point
L77[08:12:30] <raptop_> Eve speedboat
L78[08:14:52] <Althego> you can put an
electric prop on it
L79[08:15:01] <Althego> it would probably
take off
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L82[08:17:09] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
@raptop beautiful
L83[08:17:41] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
how to get to lathe, though?
L84[08:17:49] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
Laythe
L85[08:18:05] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
my y key sticks
L86[08:18:12] <Althego> you can buy lathes,
even tiny ones :) to get to laythe, there in lies the
challenge
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L90[08:18:57] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
eyeroll = 100
L91[08:20:37] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
getting to duna is a challenge, I've never even seen Jool, but for
whizzng by it at 2000km/s in an attempt to get to eeloo
L92[08:20:57] <Althego> jool and its moons
are the best place in ksp
L93[08:21:05] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I'm aware
L94[08:21:06] <Althego> lot of interesting
things
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L96[08:21:50] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
but I can't seem to get anywhere without getting caught by minmus
or ending up in solar orbit
L97[08:22:35] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
except when I try to get to minmus, then I get stopped by kerbin or
the mun
L98[08:22:42] <umbralraptop> I mean, one
can always stay on the pad or in LKO for a few additional orbits to
wait for mun/minmus to get out of the way
L99[08:23:36] <Althego> it is actually hard
to hit minmus
L100[08:23:44] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
and now I will sigh, for my impatience does not behoove me
L101[08:24:10] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
;3
L102[08:24:21] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
:3*
L103[08:25:20] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
and what's the bis issue with duna? I try to approach from the
right angle and I get solar orbit perfectly, rather than an
intercept
L104[08:25:37] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
*the big issue
L105[08:25:49] <Althego> when do you
launch?
L106[08:27:37] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
90 days
L107[08:27:47] <Althego> year 1 day
90?
L108[08:28:45] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I also am yet to figure out how to keep a rover and a base
i\together for launch and detach them on-planet
L109[08:28:45] <Althego> duna launch
window is around year 1 day 230 +- say 20 days
L110[08:28:53] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
oh
L111[08:29:44] <Althego> it is possible to
reach duna starting on day 10 too, but requires something like 8000
delta v from lko
L112[08:30:00] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
i saw a youtube video where they launched at 90 so I went with
that, I suppose they made it look easy as experienced pilots but
it's an ordeal
L113[08:30:27] <Althego> then there is the
injection burn
L114[08:30:47] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I did slam into it beautifully a few times
L115[08:30:59] <Althego> you dont want to
go towards duna right now. you want to go where duna will be
L116[08:31:13] <Althego> ike can help you
slow down
L117[08:31:22] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
is it possible I'm building oversized rockets
L118[08:31:23] <Althego> also the
atmosphere too
L120[08:32:18] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
when I have gotten close I found heat shields are excellent for
drag and I can float down sans parachute
L121[08:32:34] <Althego> especially the
inflatable
L122[08:32:39] <Althego> i think it is way
too good
L123[08:32:55] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I was trying to build a lander/base with wheels on
L124[08:33:06] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
so it was a touch too heavy
L125[08:34:04] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I really wish I could place 4 fuel tanks, in a square, 12m apart,
and connect them with science and struts
L126[08:35:13] <Judge_Dedd> Well, you
can
L127[08:35:35] <Judge_Dedd> You can create
something like that in the SPH
L128[08:36:06] <Judge_Dedd> I'm sure you
could do it in the VAB too but I prefer the SPH symmetry for square
craft
L129[08:36:09] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
also I experimented with wheels on ts, using set placement, and you
can't go 40 meters without jumping, it's comical really
L130[08:36:20] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
hm
L131[08:36:28] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
how?
L132[08:36:51] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I typed rockets not ts?
L133[08:36:57] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
yeesh
L134[08:39:04] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I feel as if there are a whole lot of shortcuts and secrets I'm not
aware of in the building process
L135[08:41:13] <Althego> you can change
the symmetry type so it doesnt matter anymore where you are
building, sph or vab
L136[08:43:53] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I've seen it happen on accident but i have only seen sph symmetry
in the vab not vice versa, also as far as I'm aware there is only 2
way symmetry in the sph and you have to have an item connected to
another item to place it...so how would one achieve a square with
empty space in the center
L137[08:45:01] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
4 separate pillars of fuel or fuselage, separated by several
meters, connected only by struts, then add on other parts
L138[08:45:05] <Althego> with the offset
tool
L139[08:45:17] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
or is that too hyperspecific to attain
L140[08:45:33] <Althego> but if there is
something planned in the middle
L141[08:45:33] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
i thought that only went a set distance?
L142[08:45:39] <umbralraptop> I want to
say the R key for switching between symmetry types
L143[08:45:39] <Althego> it would be
easier just to start with that
L144[08:46:08] <Althego> if you hold down
shift you can drag farther
L145[08:46:09] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
ah ]
L146[08:47:01] <JVFoxy> that thing when
you build in KSP, without thinking too much of how you go about it,
just comes naturally.. eh...
L147[08:47:12] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
my apologies for being a noob
L148[08:47:53] <umbralraptop> no, no, it's
fine
L149[08:48:36] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
JVFoxy yes, I find myself planning one thing, then adding bits and
pieces like customising a recipe, and turning up with something
quite unlike what you intended but perfect for some other random
use
L150[08:48:53] <Judge_Dedd> KSP is a
constant learning process, no matter how long you've been playing.
That's why we're here :)
L151[08:49:06] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
apparently I'm a master at building high speed drift vehicles
L152[08:49:21] <Judge_Dedd> Hehe
L153[08:49:30] <Althego> will the return
to sender electron launch this time? place your bets
L154[08:49:32] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
ksp racecars for jumping the hill behind the kss
L155[08:49:48] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
um? lol
L156[08:50:24] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I wish there was a mod for better ion engines
L157[08:50:43] <Althego> they are already
like 1000x better than real ones
L158[08:50:56] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
and personally I'd love to make a mod for leaving tracks on the
sandy/dusty planets
L159[08:51:01] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
true
L160[08:51:17] <Althego> there must be a
visual mod that already does this
L161[08:51:27] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
but waiting an irl month for a transfer is insane
L162[08:51:28] <JVFoxy>
@marcelinethevampirespleen I'm an avid aviation type. Planes and
flying/piloting. I can do rockets but I tend to stick to more
reasonable sizes. I don't get into the overly crazy projects.
L163[08:53:00] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I make reasonable to small planes, JVFoxy, but my rockets tend to
include 6+ boosters and barely fit in the vab without clipping into
the floor, if they do at all
L164[08:53:32] <Althego> have you tried
docking instead? :)
L165[08:53:33] <umbralraptop> eh, they can
always be moved up
L166[08:53:35] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
meanwhile, my heaviset plane was 20 tons
L167[08:53:41] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
heaviest
L168[08:53:55] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
and mostly lifting surface
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L170[08:54:26] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I'm good at docking
L171[08:54:29] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
on land
L172[08:54:37] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
only on land
L173[08:55:02] <Althego> hehe
L174[08:55:36] <Althego> actually docking
on land is hard, because of possible height mismatch
L175[08:56:06] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I have a project where I'm docking thousands of identical rovers on
duna (cheats to place them there but finding the cluster is hard
enough
L176[08:56:17] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
at least, i'm hoping for thousands
L177[08:56:26] <Althego> no way
L178[08:56:28] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I have 12 so far
L179[08:56:42] <Althego> part count and
physics range is going to get into your way
L180[08:56:45] <JVFoxy> I did a stubbly
little plane, back when B9 was still young. And adapter tanks still
matched.. I've done a cargo plane, a few passenger ones, something
akin to a learjet, regional British Aerospace 146, Boeing's
737...
L181[08:56:56] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I want to cover the planet but idk what do do about all the
hills
L182[08:57:26] <JVFoxy> biggest I did was
with Airplanes Plus pack, something that looked like a C5
Galazy
L183[08:57:34] <JVFoxy> *Galaxy.. derp,
finger slip
L184[08:58:20] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
JVFoxy ooo, I did a blackbird (albeit a crappy one), but I find
myself dissatisfied with the wings provided
L185[08:58:43] <JVFoxy> parts count... did
KSP engine ever get into using multi-thread yet? Sorry, I've kind
of been out of the loop a while
L186[08:58:55] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
there's not much in the way of lightweight and large
L187[08:59:15] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
which gets in the way entirely of making lightweight gliders
L188[08:59:40] <Althego> hehe the good old
days of the infinigliders
L189[08:59:48] <JVFoxy> I've done fast
jets too, not too big on fighters myself though. Something that
looked a bit like the SR-71.. also something that looks a bit
anime-ish. Or a delta winged B-1
L190[09:01:22] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
oo anime show me
L191[09:01:26] <JVFoxy> Althego tiny SSTO
spaceplanes.. did a spaceplane with open cockpit for one pilot.
Surprised me it could do flights into orbit on single fuel load.
Granted, old days of KSP, heating wasn't a thing yet
L192[09:01:48] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I like fighters for the speed, it inspires ssto designs for
me
L193[09:02:01] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I can't get an ssto off the planet though
L194[09:02:13] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
slow stall and never enough oxidezer
L195[09:02:29] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I have a half tak but my nose keeps dropping
L196[09:02:34] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
tank
L197[09:02:42] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
then I flame out
L198[09:03:07] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
to be fair I haven't built a plane since I was trying to play on
xbox
L199[09:03:13] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
- trying
L200[09:03:13] <JVFoxy> sorry, haven't the
files on laptop... At friend's right now
L201[09:03:14] <Althego> you probably have
a wrong ascent profile
L202[09:03:53] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
i try to ascend at 40 degreess up to 5000m then switch to 10
degrees
L203[09:04:37] <Althego> based on designs
you either need to go with maximum speed close to the ground, going
almost horizontal, or wait until at least 7 km and go supersonic
there almost horizontally, barely ascending, and going at least
1300 when you flame out around 20-25 km
L204[09:05:01] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
my dad was a fighter pilot and he apparently flew that way so I
adopted it
L205[09:05:49] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
i'm usually at 3000m/s or above but at only 15-18k
L206[09:05:52] <Althego> i havent started
ksp for a few weeks now, since i collected the science tree in
career
L207[09:06:07] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I'm avoiding career
L208[09:06:10] <Althego> but it is always
nice to build a quick ssto
L209[09:06:14] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
haven't tried
L210[09:06:29] <Althego> it is ok, but the
heart of the game is in sandbox
L211[09:07:30] <JVFoxy> oh... ssto
spaceplanes. uh.. let me poke my youtube a sec
L212[09:07:35] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I don't understand how to get an ssto into orbit around another
planet, seeing as they take most of their fuel (if not all) getting
into LKO
L213[09:08:34] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I've been trying piggybacking them on rockets but then they're too
heavy to launch (possibly oversized rockets) and counterbalancing
is awkward
L214[09:09:35] <Althego> maybe i go with a
simpe small turbojet design now. but they always end up looking
like the blackbird :)
L215[09:09:48] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
right?
L216[09:10:20] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
and I can't help myself, always starting with a mk. 2 and wing
straakes
L217[09:11:42] <JVFoxy> lol.. I guess
launching a spaceplane with the Mk3 cockpit be too much of a
challenge for ya
L218[09:12:56] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
OI WOT
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L220[09:13:17] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I have
L221[09:13:33] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
but I kept losing my wings
L222[09:13:42] <Althego> i eagerly await
the stock navigation lights
L223[09:13:55] <Althego> that is what
makes a plane. also would help woth night docking
L224[09:14:12] <JVFoxy> one of my unlisted
(please don't share) videos from 5 years ago. A version of my
Dynafly going up to orbit. There'd been some changes in KSP since
so I had to go through some revisions since.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gzfHZDQ0Y8
L225[09:14:14] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
not my ailerons or elevators, which is odd cos they were on in
precarious ways
L226[09:14:41] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
but poosh! at 40k
L227[09:14:59] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
crested and wobbled and left wing gone
L228[09:15:15] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I managed to land safely though
L229[09:15:21] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
one-winged
L230[09:18:09] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
lovely design, are those old rapiers or?
L231[09:19:13] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
JVFoxy is that really stock
L232[09:19:22] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
o.o
L233[09:19:31] <JVFoxy> ya stock, old ksp
version
L234[09:20:29] <JVFoxy> old whiplash
engines actually...
L235[09:20:32] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
color me imprressed
L236[09:20:56] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
perfect filight
L237[09:21:06] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
why can't I type
L238[09:21:11] <JVFoxy> but as I said,
game went through a lot of changes since. Current version can carry
1t to orbit in the 1U cargo bay
L239[09:21:49] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I hate cargo bays lol
L240[09:21:52] <JVFoxy> I've another
version that has a docking tunnel in the bay for use with
stations
L241[09:21:57] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
they explode the contents
L242[09:21:58] <Althego> let's see how the
well renowned untitled spacecraft fares
L243[09:23:36] <JVFoxy> I've another
spaceplane, my Dakota, uses Mk2 body parts. its a bit of an odd
ball. Set of Mk2 fuel tanks with intakes and pair of whiplashes on
the sides, but they are sideways. (widest section is
vertical)
L244[09:24:01] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
ooh
L245[09:24:13]
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L246[09:25:01] <JVFoxy> Uses the big S
shuttle wings and can still look ok
L247[09:25:41] <JVFoxy> oof.. ok now I'm
wondering if I should snag my KSP pic archive next time I swing by
home so I can at least show
L248[09:26:36] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
sounds a bit like my Dart Evader, same idea, same wings, but built
with four wings for stable flight at any angle, I find it flies
better onits sidelike a fish, though this may just be weight
distribution
L249[09:26:55] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
yes, the name is memeworthy
L250[09:29:50] <Althego> 500 m/s remains
in orbit, enough for a docking and getting back
L251[09:30:08] <Althego> with 2 passengers
aside from the pilot
L252[09:31:52] <JVFoxy> mine doesn't have
to fly sideways cuz of the body parts
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L254[09:34:31] <Althego> hehe exploded
because of incorrect reentry
L255[09:40:07] <JVFoxy> ... too steep or
too shallow?
L256[09:40:29] <Althego> usually i want to
glide to the space center
L257[09:40:54] <Althego> because of this i
kept it at low angle for less drag for a while
L258[09:41:00] <Althego> and the mk1
cockpit doesnt like that
L259[09:41:16] <Althego> have to have it
at max angle as long as possible
L260[09:42:32] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
hm
L261[09:44:27] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I like to come in with trhe bottom of the plane pointing prograde,
use that to aerobrake through the outer atmosphere, and freefall
til kss is in reasonable range, and kick in the engines to right
myself and start the glide in to the runway
L262[09:44:41] <JVFoxy> getting the right
approach I've found to always be a pain. Far too many parameters to
take into account
L263[09:44:53] <Althego> yes but i would
have needed to use the engine to reeach ksc
L264[09:45:11] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
however I turn at random on the runway while taking off and often
drive off the runway and launch off of the grass
L265[09:45:22] <Althego> the trajectory
was ok but the heating was not. would do better on second try
L266[09:46:03] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
lol all my planes have radiators, i assume I'm coming in hot and if
I don't that's a bonus
L267[09:46:15] <Althego> useless
weight
L268[09:46:25] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
ish
L269[09:46:27] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I'
L270[09:46:40] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I've used radiators as wings before
L271[09:46:41] <JVFoxy> heh.. only time
I've used a Mk1 pod was as a test flight. Treated it like building
with a Mk1 command pod. Stuck a tiny heatshield to the
bakside.
L272[09:46:46] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
unintentionally
L273[09:47:00] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
hah
L274[09:47:35] <JVFoxy> what would you use
radiators for in early career anyways?
L275[09:47:55] <Althego> they work as heat
shield
L276[09:48:10] <Althego> i guess sticking
them on the underside of thep lane would help
L277[09:48:24] <JVFoxy> cannon fodder mode
or?
L278[09:49:34] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
on the front of the aerofoil
L279[09:49:35] <JVFoxy> far as I know, the
simple non-folding panel types only help to cool the part they are
attached to, and in smaller part, anything attached to the part it
son
L280[09:49:48] <Althego> yes
L281[09:49:53] <Althego> but you dont even
need to turn them on
L282[09:50:06] <Althego> they wouldnt have
time to radiate away the heat anyway
L283[09:50:17] <Althego> the point is that
they have higher heat tolerance than the mk1 parts
L284[09:50:32] <JVFoxy> I barely use them
as is anyways.. far as I remember, they always on. But there's been
some changes to them in recent KSP versions
L285[09:50:40] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
well they at least explode first so the wings don't have to
L286[09:51:07] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
it's fixed some really inefficient planes survive for me
L287[09:53:46] <JVFoxy> Althego some of my
plane designs, the engines get pretty hot after a bit. you'd think
the radiator panels would help a bit? Or would they create too much
drag?
L288[09:54:03] <Althego> but you cant put
them on the engines
L289[09:54:16] <JVFoxy> jet engines, not
rocket
L290[09:55:04] <Althego> the smaller jet
engines get how when you operate the mat thigh speeds
L291[09:55:11] <JVFoxy> well ok, not
directly, but to the nacelle connected to them.
L292[09:55:30] <Althego> but otherwise it
isnt an issue i ever worried about
L293[09:55:44] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I'd try it
L294[09:55:58] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
but don't listen to me on any account
L295[09:56:09] <JVFoxy> I've noticed one
of my high speed early career birds, flying low and fast, wheezers
do get a bit toasty
L296[09:56:25] <Althego> they can even
explode, i think it happened to me once
L297[09:56:45] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
ohhh yes
L298[09:56:51] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
yesyesyyes
L299[09:57:16] <JVFoxy> granted.. I don't
usually fly low if its a long flight. Better to go up high, around
8-10km, better fuel range
L300[09:57:30] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I've had a glider explode and kill the crew just from
overheating
L301[09:57:53] <Judge_Dedd> I haven't read
the whole scrollback but RE: something you were talking about
earlier: I remember there used to be a mod to leave footprints and
tyre tracks
L302[09:58:08] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
oh?
L303[09:58:11] <JVFoxy> lol... when flying
hot for a while. landing the plane, kerbal gets out, shows heat
warning on kerbal. Glitch?
L304[09:58:37] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I've seen this JVFoxy
L305[09:59:06] <JVFoxy> ya, seen it once
or twice, not sure whats going on. Maybe Kerbal getting radiated by
plane skin?
L306[09:59:17] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
but I was crash-landing a rover rocket on moho
L308[09:59:36] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
(I had planned a trip to eve and things went...pooorly
L309[09:59:48] <JVFoxy> Mine you, heat
gauge doesn't seem to go down. I think some people even reported
seeing it going up, even when not doing anything
L310[10:00:36] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
if only we had inflatable landing cushions like the ones used for
the u.s's curiosity rover
L311[10:00:57] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
thanks, judge
L312[10:01:07] <JVFoxy> landing on a
planet in a bouncy ball
L313[10:01:21] <Althego> tried and tested
method
L314[10:01:34] <Althego> there used to be
a mod with those inflatable things
L315[10:01:39] <Althego> maybe it still
exists
L316[10:02:02] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
ah wait
L317[10:02:15] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
Judge_Dedd it seems the mod died
L318[10:02:46] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I found a mod with inflatable habitats but not safe for
bouncing
L319[10:02:51] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I've tried
L320[10:03:16] <Judge_Dedd> Mods often
die, sadly, but they are often revived by others. Might be worth
searching around a bit
L321[10:03:38] <JVFoxy> I should see if
Kerbinside still alive
L322[10:04:37] <JVFoxy> When I put a few
building, something of a settlement south of KSP, later I realized
Kerbintown was actually in the same area
L323[10:07:36] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
... town?\
L324[10:08:14] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
settlement?
L325[10:08:17] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
building?
L326[10:08:29] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
these word are foreign to me
L327[10:08:34] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
lolol
L328[10:09:01] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
kerbal knows only sky, and death
L329[10:09:08] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
x3
L330[10:12:13] <JVFoxy> kerbintown was a
mod from ages ago. Places a city under construction near the
southern tip of the mainland from KSP. Kerbinside is another mod,
allows more specific buildings. Alternate launch sites, a nav
feature.
L331[10:13:40] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
wizard
L332[10:13:53] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
ksp has just stopped playing audiop
L333[10:17:31] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
idea:
L334[10:17:39] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
wastleand defense for ksp
L335[10:17:52] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
wasteland defense*
L336[10:55:11] <Judge_Dedd> Sounds like
you wand BDArmory
L338[10:59:03] <Judge_Dedd> It does a lot
of other stuff too.
L340[11:23:32] <Mat2ch> MARCELINE!
L341[11:23:38] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
hiiiii
L342[11:23:39] <Mod9000> Hello,
marcelinethevampirespleen
L343[11:23:49] <Mat2ch> Wanna jam?
L344[11:24:04] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
J A M
L345[11:24:09] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
love to
L346[11:24:17] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
but i prefer jelly
L347[11:24:22] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
lol
L348[11:24:55] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
bad joke, soory
L349[11:25:05] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
sorry*
L353[11:27:03] <Mat2ch> .oO( sadly but
luckily those gifs aren't displayed here and you have to click on
them ;)
L354[11:35:03] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
lel
L355[11:35:40] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
i have a bunch of clips I wish I could post
L356[11:35:47] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
of AT
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L358[11:40:20] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
trapped at 26,000 meters- a kerbal story
L359[11:47:27]
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L362[12:17:16] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
is 5 degrees an acceptable angle of attack for a paceplane
L363[12:17:42] *
darsie does not object.
L364[12:18:35] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I see myself just maintaining one apoapsis and the same line
depicting my path while traveling around the globe at 18k
L365[12:18:41] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
18km
L366[12:19:04] <darsie> Rapier?
L367[12:19:09] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
yep
L368[12:19:17] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
for efficiency's sake
L369[12:19:26] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
perhaps not my best choice
L370[12:20:10] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I used 2 shrimp and a ks-25 to get me above 10km
L371[12:20:28] <darsie> dunno these
L372[12:21:09] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
teensy boosters and the engines the mammoth is made of
L373[12:21:21] <darsie> ahh, right
L374[12:22:06] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
my apoapsis stays 100m ahead of me everywhere I go
L375[12:22:11] <darsie> That doesn't sound
right.
L376[12:22:24] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
travelapsis
L377[12:22:32] <darsie> that:
<marcelinethevampirespleen> I used 2 shrimp and a ks-25 to
get me above 10km
L378[12:22:43] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
oh?
L379[12:23:05] <darsie> Big plane?
L380[12:23:09] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
bad idea?
L381[12:23:17] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
medium
L382[12:23:51] <darsie> Well, I'm not much
into planes, so my feeling may be off.
L383[12:24:04] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
ah
L384[12:44:22] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
welcome back
L385[12:44:25] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
lul
L386[12:45:28] <darsie> Did you welcome
yourself back? :)
L387[12:45:39] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
no?
L388[12:45:52] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
did I show as gone? I've never left
L389[12:45:52] <darsie> Then who?
L390[12:45:57] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
kubi
L391[12:46:07] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
whom I don't know
L392[12:46:19] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
but I saw them leave and return 3 x
L393[12:46:27] <darsie> I didn't see kubi
leaving, coming or saying anything.
L394[12:46:38] <darsie> Since I
joired.
L395[12:46:42] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
o jeez someone's named x
L396[12:46:56] <darsie> moh
L397[12:46:56] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
odd
L398[12:51:29] <kubi> what?
L399[12:52:25] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I said welcome back cos you're logged as leaving, returning,
leaving, returning, then leaving again
L400[12:52:42] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
and darsie said they saw none of it
L401[12:54:15] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
so I remarked that it was odd
L402[12:55:27] <packbart> my client
filters out join/parts in this channel, so I didn't see it, either
;)
L403[12:56:09] <darsie> First message I
got was <marcelinethevampirespleen> is 5 degrees an
acceptable angle of attack for a paceplane
L404[12:56:18] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
hm
L405[12:56:45] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I have 5 hours of log here
L406[12:57:34] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
but all 3 times the person in question left and returned were
between 4:33 and 4:44
L407[12:57:45] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
after you joined
L408[12:57:51] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
glithch?
L409[13:10:24] <Althego> didnt see such
thing here
L410[13:12:59] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
hmm
L411[13:13:36] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
why would I get that reading
L412[13:13:50] <Althego> idle for 64
hours
L413[13:15:41] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
whom
L414[13:17:38] <Althego> wait why am i not
on ssl
L415[13:17:50] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
on what
L416[13:17:56] <Judge_Dedd> IRC is a
little quirky in that a small disturbance in your internet
connection can make you disconnect and reconnect in quick
succession.
L417[13:18:02] <darsie>
marcelinethevampirespleen: What was the message before you saw k
join last?
L418[13:18:22] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
"ah"
L419[13:18:54] <Judge_Dedd> I didn't see
and leaves/joins there
L420[13:18:58] <Judge_Dedd> That is indeed
odd
L421[13:19:05] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
in response to you're not a plane person
L422[13:19:19] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
very
L423[13:19:29] <Judge_Dedd> My guess is
netsplit
L424[13:19:50] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
also a polite greeting turned into a long conversation with
everyone lol
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L427[13:21:09] <darsie> Yeah, nothing
there for me.
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L429[13:21:25] <Judge_Dedd>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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L431[13:21:29] <darsie> wb Althego
L432[13:21:48] <Althego> heh still not...
ok i have to force it then
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L434[13:22:34] <darsie> KrazyKrl: Are you
a Kirl?
L435[13:22:51] <darsie> Ich bin ein Kerl
:)
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L440[13:33:30] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
you are?
L441[13:33:34] <Mat2ch> uh, still no road
closures scheduled.
L442[13:33:38] <Mat2ch> What are they
waiting for?
L443[13:34:34] <Althego> hehe, remember
the old game z? when you were losing the computer voice was
taunting you. when you were winning, said things like: what are you
waiting for?
L444[13:34:50] <Althego> let's take the
fort
L445[13:34:52] <Althego> etc
L446[13:35:04] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
vaguely
L447[13:35:14] <packbart> Sounds like
something the Nukem Duke would say
L448[13:35:22] <Mat2ch> I never played
that game
L449[13:42:21] <darsie> I am.
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L453[13:50:13] <Althego> thought so
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L455[13:54:10] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
well
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L457[13:54:30] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
ich bin eine frau
L458[13:54:30] <Althego> here there is one
kind of well. gravity well
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L461[13:54:48] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
heh\
L462[13:54:54] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
or gravity poorly
L463[13:56:58] <darsie>
marcelinethevampirespleen: Your nick is confusing. Marceline the
vampire spleen?
L464[13:57:23] <Althego> and too
long
L465[13:57:32] <Althego> ah the old 9
character limit was so good :)
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L467[13:57:52] <Mat2ch>
marcelinethevampirespleen: no, you are the vampire queen!
L468[13:58:35] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
yes but I like the word "spleen"
L469[13:59:17] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
spleen queen
L470[13:59:25] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
of vampires
L472[13:59:41] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
nope
L473[13:59:49] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
lol good video
L474[14:00:03] <Mat2ch> but you don't
sound grumpy at all
L475[14:00:13] <darsie> I head it stores
red blood cells and emits them when needed. I also heard its
function is unknown.
L476[14:00:32] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
w e l l
L477[14:01:06] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
bonnibel kisses
L478[14:01:17] <Mat2ch> .oO( More like
somebody should take away the sugar. But noboby would dare to try
;)
L479[14:01:50] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I take my sugar in bubblegum, thanks
L480[14:02:37] <Althego> bubblegum
crisis
L481[14:04:34] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
i will now write a song about the bubblegum crisis thanks for the
inspiration
L482[14:05:42] <Mat2ch> Have fun :P
L483[14:06:06] <Althego> there are
several. bubblegum crisis was good old stuff
L484[14:07:39] <darsie> What I heard about
the spleen was wrong.
L485[14:08:29] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
;)
L486[14:11:39] <Althego> around 11.5 hours
until electron
L487[14:11:44] <Althego> (if it
happens)
L488[14:12:14] <Althego> hehe, those
satellite names
L489[14:12:31] <Althego> DRAGRACER
L490[14:12:31] <Althego> BRO-2 and
BRO-3
L491[14:12:31] <Althego> APSS-1
L492[14:12:31] <Althego> Spacebees
(24x)
L493[14:12:31] <Althego> Gnome
Chompski
L494[14:12:40] <Althego> ok, the gnome is
part of the rocket
L495[14:13:52] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
lmao
L496[14:13:54] <darsie> lol
L497[14:14:10] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
what is electron
L498[14:14:20] <darsie> a rocket with
electric fuel pumps.
L499[14:14:25] <darsie> small orbital
rocket
L500[14:14:34] <Althego> small rocket for
small payloads made in new zealand
L501[14:14:36] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
context?
L502[14:14:44] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
ahh
L503[14:14:59] <darsie> ~6
MUSD/launch
L504[14:15:00] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
and that's the time until launch?
L505[14:15:10] <Althego> !nela
L507[14:15:34] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
and what does gnome chompski have to do with it all
L510[14:15:45] <Althego> you can see the
gnome in the foreground
L511[14:15:54] <Althego> bolted on the
rocket
L512[14:16:16] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
what do the names mean
L513[14:16:26] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
is there going to be an actual gnome
L514[14:16:39] <Althego> i dont know but
bro and spacebees seemed hilarious to me
L515[14:16:42] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
and actually 24 small sattelites called spacebees
L516[14:16:45] <darsie> A gnome /noʊm/[1]
is a mythological creature and diminutive spirit in Renaissance
magic and alchemy, first introduced by Paracelsus in the 16th
century and later adopted by more recent authors including those of
modern fantasy literature.
L517[14:16:53] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
because I demand spacebees
L519[14:17:33] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
@darsie ever hear of (reflected sounds of underground
spirits)
L520[14:17:36] <darsie> Electron is a
diminutive rocket.
L521[14:17:50] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
*echo-gnome-ics
L522[14:20:02] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
it's cute
L523[14:20:18] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
like a ballpoint pen
L524[14:21:27] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
also great so naming my cubic satellite cubesat is not
original
L525[14:21:38] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
good t know
L526[14:23:20] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
so if a short spaceplane really likes falling straight down while
rotating slowly on the x axis, remaining level with the ground,
what is this a sign of
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L528[14:24:19] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I'm guessing since it flew fine until flipping backwards, not
enough tail
L529[14:25:08] <Althego> convention is x
forward y right z down
L530[14:27:00] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
ok it was spinning to the left while remaining pointed at 0 degrees
are you happy now'
L531[14:27:21] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I'm bad at math, tranch
L532[14:27:27] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
lol
L533[14:27:33] <Althego> they also
correspond to roll pitch and yaw
L534[14:28:04] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
well what's -x then, retrograde travel?
L535[14:29:47] <darsie> Althego: I think
x/y/z should be roll/yaw/pitch.
L536[14:29:56] <Althego> that s what i
said
L537[14:30:41] <Althego> x axis points
forward, therefore rotating around it is roll, y points right,
rotation is pitch, z points down rotation is yaw
L538[14:32:02] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
wack
L539[14:32:18] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
rotation is pitch
L540[14:32:48] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
fine it was spinnin on the z axis with little to no yx axis
movement
L541[14:32:57] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
spinning*
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L543[14:34:11] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
in normal flight iit wants to tilt back on the y axis
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L545[14:42:24] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
once again my apoapsis is always 100m ahead of me and travels with
me without changing
L546[14:43:09] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
and at 15k I randomly flip
L547[14:43:21] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
once
L548[14:43:29] <Althego> that is exactly
the spot to flip if you dont have enough stability
L549[14:43:30] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
backwards on the y axis
L550[14:43:44] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
then spin around the z
L551[14:43:50] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
why?
L552[14:44:14] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
I was fine then the minute I push downwards it flips upwards
L553[14:44:34] <Althego> do you use the
center of mass and center of lift indicators in the editor?
L554[14:44:46] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
yes
L555[14:44:57] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
lift is slightly ahead of com
L556[14:45:02] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
slightly
L557[14:45:11] <Althego> the yellow ball
has to be slightly in front of the cyan ball
L558[14:45:22] <Althego> not too much
because then you cant change course
L559[14:45:49] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
i AM trying to make do with winglets rather than proper delta wings
on the rear
L560[14:46:15] <Althego> lol this is an
old post
L562[14:46:19] <Althego> something like
this
L563[14:46:37] <Althego> depending on the
plane the distance can be bigger too
L564[14:47:39] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
yes i KNOW IT'S JUST DIFFICULT TO KEEP THE SHAPE I WANT AND FIX
THAT
L565[14:47:45] <marcelinethevampirespleen>
oops caps
L566[14:47:46] <Althego> usually because
as fuel drains the com moves, so you want to keep a relationship
like this even for reentry when you are low on fuel
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whoops
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L575[14:58:11] <Mat2ch> Althego: that's
one of the things I find the hardest to do. Keeping the CoM almost
in the same position while the fuel drains
L576[14:58:56] <Mat2ch> and it would be
much much muuuuuuuuuuuuch easier if there was an option to drain
all active lf and ox fuels simultaneous
L577[14:58:57] <Althego> problem if you
build your plane asa one long tube
L578[14:59:28] <Mat2ch> But that's how
planes are built. Low profile for fewest drag! ;)
L579[15:01:44] <Althego> then you have to
keep a little ballast
L580[15:01:56] <Althego> and pump it
around as fuel drains
L581[15:02:06] <Althego> like the
blackbird did
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L584[15:07:35] <Mat2ch> well, it usually
try to select a few heavy parts that get on the front to counter
the weight of the engines
L585[15:07:50] <Mat2ch> and it would be
also easier if the smaller wings would hold fuel as well
L586[15:08:39] <Mat2ch> and I have managed
to get the ration right, but it's hard and lots of fiddeling
around.
L587[15:08:58] <Mat2ch> Could be made easy
by having a slider which lets you fuel/unload the plane
L588[15:09:08] <Althego> this is the
reason why skylon has the engines on the wingtips
L589[15:09:25] <Althego> yes that fuel
slider thing is something i always wanted
L590[15:09:44] <Althego> really annoying
to do it for all tanks during editing
L591[15:12:55] <Mat2ch> yeah
L592[15:13:02] <Mat2ch> I wonder how
Skylon is doing
L593[15:13:13] <Althego> skylon is not
doing, allah is doing
L594[15:13:20] <Althego> i could not let
it pass
L595[15:13:43] <Althego> although i think
this highlights the mods
L596[15:14:35] <Mat2ch> hrhr
L597[15:14:51] <Althego> the engine is
still not finished
L598[15:15:09] <Althego> the precooler
operation was a requirement for the engine
L599[15:15:20] <Althego> but it is just
one part and the whole thing is completely new
L600[15:15:40] <Althego> on the other hand
spacex made more progress with starship in less time
L601[15:19:35] <Mat2ch> Starship will
probably be flying on a regular basis, when Skylon first lifts
off.
L602[15:20:11] <Althego> why would anybody
want to use anything else at that point?
L603[15:20:35] <Mat2ch> And that is what
annoys me about ESA, they're slow, make some erratic decisions and
have some unnecessary secrecy to them (or just bad information
politics)
L604[15:20:47] <Mat2ch> a bit like Valve,
but with tax payers money
L605[15:21:09] <Althego> nasa and
roscosmos does the same
L606[15:21:40] <Althego> maybe the chinese
are going to move in the right direction, but it will take them
years to catch up
L607[15:22:36] <Mat2ch> until they run out
of money.
L608[15:22:55] <Mat2ch> then it's going to
be as slow als the rest. :D
L609[15:23:02] <Althego> meanwhile the
indians achieve human spaceflight with conventional rockets
L610[15:23:12] <darsie> Do Chinese rocket
stages thaht fall at villages contain nasty stuff like N2O4 or
hydrazine derivative fuel?
L611[15:23:20] <Althego> yes
L612[15:23:26] <Althego> in many cases
hypergolics
L613[15:23:38] <Althego> never go near a
rocket part
L614[15:23:39] <darsie> ok. So I told it
right.
L615[15:23:50] <Mat2ch> which is totally
crazy considering how long their coastal line is
L616[15:40:23] <packbart> Low Flying Rocks
strike again. "Man becomes millionaire after meteorite falls
through his roof"
L617[15:40:58] <packbart> 2kg of
carbonaceous chondrite, now sold off to the Arizona State
University
L618[15:41:38] <Althego> what they are
worth this much?
L619[15:42:48] <packbart> one report said
£645 per gram
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L625[16:06:16] <Althego> there seems to be
an other space agency simulator. mars horizon
L626[16:10:57] <packbart> KSP-like
graphics, if the Steam trailer is anything to go by
L627[16:11:16] <Althego> focuses more on
management than spaceships
L628[16:11:33] <packbart> yeah, it's
MechJeb all the way ;)
L629[16:12:28] <packbart> Windows-only,
though
L630[16:13:45] <packbart> on the wishlist
it goes. maybe I'll buy it someday
L631[16:13:57] <Althego> not on gog
L632[16:16:14] *
darsie doesn't have or want Windows.
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e tc
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L658[21:22:14] <Mat2ch> I really should
complain in the forum that we don't get any updates from there here
and I have to do that :P
L659[21:28:43] <packbart> there's probably
a bot for that ;)
L660[21:31:04] <packbart> oh, the
inventory thingy now has volume
L661[21:33:07] <packbart> interesting
addition. I like it
L662[21:35:45] <Mat2ch> yeah, well, now it
needs containers for repair kits
L663[21:36:56] <packbart> hm? oh right,
this isn't exclusively Breaking Ground, is it?
L664[21:37:06] <Mat2ch> time to hit the
sheets
L665[21:37:24] <Mat2ch> what they were
showing is a container for three repair kits or other tools
L666[21:37:34] <Mat2ch> and you need three
repair kits for one wheel
L667[21:37:36] <Mat2ch> so...
L668[21:37:46] <Mat2ch> better carry a few
hundred around
L669[21:38:03] <packbart> ah. hm. looked
like the BG inventory to me, su I assumed the same containers would
work
L670[21:38:33] <packbart> but yeah, maybe
you can stack them at that's what the volume bar is for. we'll
see
L671[21:38:38] <packbart> s/at/and/
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L696[23:49:38] <packbart>
"linuxgurugamer is streaming Mars Horizon" - I knew I had
seen somebody play that game before. still not buying it, yet
;)
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