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L11[02:26:39] <JVFoxy> Decided to poke nose on 1.9.1 for once. Say hello to Swiftfox (cuz.. well I couldn't think of anything else) from edge of North pole ice shelf after a quick test flight: https://imgur.com/a/o5m6xsg
L12[02:26:39] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/qiDDNLD.png
L13[02:27:37] <Althego> whitebird
L14[02:28:38] <JVFoxy> with a red nose if I sit up at 1300m/s too long
L15[02:28:53] <Althego> lights on turn on some orange lights on the nose
L16[02:29:26] <JVFoxy> flying back, topped past 1400m/s now
L17[02:30:43] <JVFoxy> it'll go up to 1400m/s, 22km up but not enough lift to sit there
L18[02:40:40] <JVFoxy> and on final approach back to KSC
L19[02:45:28] <JVFoxy> and wheels down at 37m15s
L20[02:48:58] <Deddly> Nice looking plane
L21[02:50:05] <Deddly> If overheating is an issue, there's a neat trick you can use - stick the large landing gear (closed) to it pokes out the front of the nose
L22[02:51:08] <Deddly> The large landing gear has amongst the highest heat tolerances in the game, and it will allow you to go up to the region of 1800 m/s in the atmosphere without anything exploding
L23[02:51:36] <Deddly> Being stuck out the front, it will be the first object to hit the airstream
L24[02:52:53] <Althego> for big planes the shielded docking port works too
L25[02:55:03] <Deddly> Large landing gear > shielded docking port
L26[02:55:18] <Deddly> 2700 vs 2600
L27[02:56:08] <Deddly> A heat shield would presumably be even better
L28[02:56:24] <Deddly> It's been a long time since I experimented
L29[02:57:27] <Deddly> Drag tho
L30[02:57:42] <Althego> butthat burns out
L31[02:58:57] <Deddly> I should test this, but I think the heat shields provide excellent thermal protection even without ablator
L32[02:59:01] <darsie> Anyone tried a Spacex Starship point to point transfer in KSP?
L33[02:59:12] <Deddly> Not me, darsie
L34[03:00:23] <darsie> Hmm, simultaneous boostback and controlling the second stage is tricky.
L35[03:00:45] <Althego> but the point to point transfer would work without the booster
L36[03:01:52] <Deddly> What Althego said
L37[03:02:02] <Deddly> That's the point of point to point transfer :)
L38[03:03:18] <darsie> rly?
L39[03:03:26] <Althego> has sea level engines too
L40[03:03:30] <Althego> it can launch
L41[03:03:43] <Althego> and by design the booster is for orbital launches, not for suborbital
L42[03:04:00] <Althego> if we are lucky we can see a 150 m hop this week
L43[03:04:17] <Althego> and maybe in a month a lot higher one
L44[03:05:07] <Deddly> Hmm. Their video does show a booster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqE-ultsWt0
L45[03:05:07] <kmath> YouTube - Starship | Earth to Earth
L46[03:05:32] <Deddly> But that was back in 2017. I'm pretty sure the idea is to only use Starship
L47[03:09:04] <JVFoxy> Deddly thanks but its ok. I wanted a pointed front more, mostly for looks. It gets toasty but usually only when I power through lower bits of the air too much.
L48[03:09:46] <Deddly> JVFoxy, cool, if you don't need the extra speed, no harm in a little orange-coloured glow :)
L49[03:11:04] <JVFoxy> I was more curious as to how it would behave. Casual little run. Seems to do ok around 18-20km up, and 1100 or so.
L50[03:11:09] <darsie> Over two years later, in May 2019, Musk floated the idea of using single-stage Starship to travel up to 10,000 kilometers (6,200 mi) on Earth-to-Earth flights at speeds approaching Mach 20 (25,000 km/h; 15,000 mph) with an acceptable payload saying it "dramatically improves cost, complexity & ease of operations."[157]
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L52[03:11:21] <Deddly> Nice
L53[03:11:53] <JVFoxy> I could do more checking, messing about but eh..
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L56[03:16:50] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48-rEDIhyu0 uhm uhm uhm
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L58[03:23:00] <Deddly> Mat2ch, interesting. Were they performing life for the event?
L59[03:24:13] <Deddly> I'm only a couple of mins in and it's just a bunch of "I can't hear you"
L60[03:27:36] <Deddly> OK so they're playing live together with an astronaut live on the the ISS. That is pretty cool :)
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L62[03:29:09] <JVFoxy> heh or as much as live as they can get given time delay?
L63[03:29:54] <Deddly> It works one way - they just need to play along with the stream from their end.
L64[03:32:32] <Mat2ch> Deddly: yes, that was live
L65[03:33:20] <Mat2ch> But the weird double picture. Was that intentional or did they have 3d glasses?
L66[03:34:10] <Deddly> Probably just for the effect
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L74[04:36:28] <Eddi|zuHause> is he wearing a captain future t-shirt?
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L76[04:38:36] <Althego> yes, looks like it
L77[04:39:02] <Mat2ch> he is
L78[04:39:19] <Eddi|zuHause> that was like 2 years ago. why share this now?
L79[04:39:28] <Althego> still unlisted lol
L80[04:40:37] <Althego> btw the german soundtrack for captain future is still one of the best
L81[04:41:03] <Eddi|zuHause> i was a big fan of captain future as a kid
L82[04:55:51] <Mat2ch> Eddi|zuHause: I have no idea. Copyright?
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L84[05:03:47] <Eddi|zuHause> Kraftwerk? involved in a copyright issue? who would have thought that was possible... oh, wait... :p
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L107[08:34:59] <packbart> Yet another MechJeb clip (Skycrane autolanding) https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/foo4c.mp4
L108[08:35:11] <packbart> Too high TWR seems to confuse the landing guidance
L109[08:39:34] <darsie> packbart: The port on the rover wasn't necessary.
L110[08:41:10] <packbart> I know. the thing also got two probe cores. an Octo2 on top an a Rovemate clipped into the bottom. I included that one just for its anomaly detection chance
L111[08:41:48] <packbart> otoh I know where to find the Armstrong Memorial to take the tourists to. don't really need it and it's the first thing to explode on hard jumps
L112[08:42:18] <darsie> I found it once. Dunno where it is.
L113[08:42:32] <darsie> I was hoping for cables.
L114[08:42:36] <darsie> unwinding
L115[08:43:07] <darsie> Shouldn't be too hard.
L116[08:43:09] <darsie> to simulate.
L117[08:43:15] <packbart> last time I tried that the KAS winch cable snapped
L118[08:43:18] <packbart> might try again
L119[08:44:20] <packbart> t'was merely a test to be repeated. I was poking around in MechJeb code
L120[08:44:57] <Althego> south side of one of the equatorial crates, almost at the equator
L121[08:47:40] <packbart> right, now that you say it, I think I'm at the wrong crater, anyway. the memorial is at the Northeastsomething crater, I think
L122[08:48:03] <packbart> I think therefore I revert
L123[08:48:54] <Althego> hehe jedi knights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnOEGvEKFSQ
L124[08:48:55] <kmath> YouTube - Star Wars: Duel of The Fates (Medieval Style)
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L126[09:30:06] <Althego> i hope this is not as bad as the dr e and dr z thing was last time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dNJg6-UYP4
L127[09:30:06] <kmath> YouTube - NASA Leaders Discuss Mars Perseverance Mission
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L130[10:00:47] <Althego> hehe they didnt start it on time
L131[10:02:18] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFFtaYyTNZg
L132[10:02:19] <kmath> YouTube - Starship SN5 Fuel Tanking Test From Boca Chica, Texas
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L134[10:04:44] <SaganRaptop> boom today?
L135[10:07:20] <Althego> probably not
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L137[10:20:44] <Mat2ch> Just tanking and stuff
L138[10:20:59] <Mat2ch> not even a static fire test
L139[10:23:05] <Althego> with this speed there cant be a hop soon
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L142[10:38:07] <Mat2ch> Well, tanking test, static fire wednesday, hop on the weekend?
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L146[11:11:39] <Althego> hehe, if it hops ni the next ten minutes, it is a big problem
L147[11:54:04] <Mat2ch> doesn't look like anything is going to happen there today...
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L149[12:02:47] <Althego> there is some venting from one of the tanks
L150[12:03:11] <Althego> but not much is happening
L151[12:03:24] <Althego> maybe it is as exciting as watching steel cool
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L153[12:06:00] <Althego> the launchpad coordinates -0.0972077894660063 -74.5576733886345
L154[12:06:19] <Althego> (on kerbin)
L155[12:06:29] <Mat2ch> could be NO2
L156[12:06:57] <Mat2ch> with methane we would be seeing the flare stack light up
L157[12:07:04] <Mat2ch> so they're just doing a pressure test or so
L158[12:07:24] <Althego> i dont get the flare stack. i though they wanted to remove it, and then it was just put back again
L159[12:07:30] <Mat2ch> Or they are filling it up with NO2 and then try to release the ground equipment to see if it holds
L160[12:07:42] <Mat2ch> they legally have to have a flare stack
L161[12:07:45] <Mat2ch> ;)
L162[12:08:11] * SaganRaptop will be amused if they have another methane leak
L163[12:08:27] <Althego> no2?
L164[12:08:46] <Althego> n2?
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L167[12:10:30] <Althego> at least bob is now on his way back to kerbin from minmus, around 2 days to arrive
L168[12:15:18] <Mat2ch> N2, sorry
L169[12:15:24] <Mat2ch> NO2 is something different :D
L170[12:15:26] <Althego> what is really annoying that it is intentionally designed so, that you need to go outside of kerbin soi to get the 3rd star
L171[12:15:43] <Althego> same with second star, you cant get it on the mun
L172[12:16:05] <Mat2ch> Just do a hop outside and fire straight back and land?
L173[12:16:22] <Althego> that hop takes several days to complete
L174[12:16:28] <Althego> from minmus it is not that far
L175[12:16:36] <Althego> but still requires considerable fuel
L176[12:16:48] <Althego> i could have done it within like 10-15 days
L177[12:16:51] <Althego> but that is too slow
L178[12:16:58] <Althego> so i decided to go back to kerbin
L179[12:17:11] <Althego> and now i have a nuke
L180[12:17:18] <Althego> and the telescope thingie
L181[12:17:55] <Althego> so i can go again with a more efficient engine
L182[12:18:02] <Mat2ch> hm, I did that hop on solid rocket boosters ;P
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L184[12:18:28] <JVFoxy> I've done probe missions, pop out of Kerbin's soi, but its a bit of a pain to figure out which way to face to pull the vector back so I can return...
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L187[12:30:05] <Althego> 1.5 hours https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TshvZlQ7le8
L188[12:30:06] <kmath> YouTube - ANASIS-II Mission
L189[12:30:19] <Althego> but i go to sleep this time. i even managed to quit the game
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L197[13:15:41] <Mat2ch> launch got postponed by 30 minutes
L198[13:17:46] <Mat2ch> but the upper tank of SN5 is slightly frosting over
L199[13:18:17] <Mat2ch> could be an illusion as well
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L210[14:14:13] <Mat2ch> 20 minutes till launch according to Elon
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L212[14:16:45] <darsie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TshvZlQ7le8 live
L213[14:16:56] <darsie> kinda
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L219[14:29:08] <darsie> t-1 min
L220[14:43:15] <Mat2ch> when was the last time a booster landed on land?
L221[14:44:11] <Mat2ch> CRS-20 apparently
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