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L8[01:49:29] <Guest64305> Hello everyone, good morning
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L10[01:49:54] <darsie> .
L11[01:50:10] <darsie> 2 s, that's a record, I guess.
L12[01:56:25] <Mat2ch> Nop
L13[01:56:38] <Mat2ch> it can be even faster
L14[01:56:41] <Mat2ch> _D
L15[01:56:43] <Mat2ch> :D
L16[02:03:39] <Althego> hehe
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L20[02:18:20] <darsie> But has it been faster, yet?
L21[02:18:56] <darsie> wb Guest11201
L22[02:20:15] <darsie> How is life on the badenwuerttemberg?
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L26[03:08:56] <Argetz> hello and good morning
L27[03:09:06] <Argetz> i have a "little" problem
L28[03:09:29] <Argetz> i use kOS hoverslam scripts, and the tundra exploration spacex stuff
L29[03:10:14] <Argetz> all the Tundra (SpaceX) engines are not throttling instantly but with half a second or more lag.
L30[03:10:31] <Argetz> its enuff to mess up my landing script
L31[03:10:53] <Argetz> how can i remove this slow throttling or spooling and make it instant ?
L32[03:11:23] <Argetz> i tried looking at KW Rocketry and the Instant Response Config for the engines
L33[03:15:27] <Argetz> and i added "useEngineResponseTime = false" to the tundra ones but no luck
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L36[03:34:33] <kubi> or, you prepare the script
L37[03:34:39] <kubi> that is a nicer challenge
L38[03:40:29] <Argetz> i have zero know how
L39[03:41:01] <Argetz> can you teach me how i add a specific timeframe to the burn ?
L40[03:41:26] <Argetz> https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/0db6f5e9ce7a4702bafa8be28eb4ed6a
L41[03:41:54] <Argetz> it should fire half a second earlier
L42[03:42:06] <Argetz> than the formula outputs
L43[03:42:18] <Argetz> can i just add a "+1s" somwhere ?!
L44[03:42:23] <Argetz> but where
L45[03:43:08] <Argetz> or i change the engines to Instant Response somehow ?
L46[03:46:59] <packbart> huh. looking at its .cfg files, I don't even see why they would not throttle instantly
L47[03:48:15] <packbart> ah, that's done by a patch labeled "realplume" m)
L48[03:50:48] <packbart> hmm. installing MechJeb might help, if I read this right ;) https://github.com/damonvv/TundraExploration/blob/master/GameData/TundraExploration/Patches/Extra_RealPlume_Engines.cfg#L4
L49[03:51:07] <packbart> or, patch it again with a :FINAL patch
L50[03:53:43] <hatrix> is there a way I can lower RCS thruster below 0.5?
L51[03:53:47] <hatrix> with a mod or anything?
L52[03:54:51] <packbart> Argetz: something like this might work: https://pastebin.com/vFzJNzVm - reset all "useEngineResponseTime" to false where set
L53[03:56:39] <kubi> hatrix: with module manager almost everything can be configured
L54[04:03:27] <hatrix> I'll just edit the RCS Thruster Block cfg file
L55[04:08:05] <hatrix> ok so didn't work
L56[04:23:32] <packbart> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKQgP1JekP8
L57[04:23:32] <kmath> YouTube - International Space Station Spacewalk, July 1, 2020
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L59[04:42:08] <hatrix> ha yes!
L60[04:42:20] <hatrix> https://i.imgur.com/w9aW6CJ.png
L61[04:42:22] <hatrix> #hackerman
L62[04:44:21] <packbart> so, your RCS looks a bit like this? https://www.cleanstore.co.uk/images/large/15090a.JPG ;)
L63[04:44:33] <hatrix> :)
L64[04:45:12] <hatrix> ahah guess what, 0.05 thrust with a 0.5 multiplier is still too much
L65[04:55:03] <hatrix> 0.001 thrust now, works perfectly
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L76[05:04:24] <hatrix> I've got all my periods equal but I'm not sure they won't drift
L77[05:04:36] <hatrix> I can't go beyond 3 decimals
L78[05:04:42] <hatrix> 2d 1h 44m 12.700s
L79[05:04:46] <hatrix> I don't know ifd that's enough
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L82[05:07:23] <packbart> sync their SMA in the save file ;)
L83[05:08:46] <hatrix> I don't like doing that but that's the only way to have something correct :/
L84[05:08:47] <packbart> (that's what the "Station Keeping" mod does. it's no more unrealistic than expect a constellation to keep in sync over aeons, imo)
L85[05:10:23] <Mat2ch> hatrix: can't you throttle them?
L86[05:10:43] <Mat2ch> I can set them to 1 % of the usual power
L87[05:10:46] <hatrix> at 0.5 throttle it's still too much
L88[05:11:04] <Mat2ch> which would be 0.01 throttle
L89[05:11:10] <hatrix> with 0.001 kN of thrust and 0.5 throttle it's OK
L90[05:11:32] <hatrix> for small moons the RCS are way too powerful
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L93[05:14:00] <hatrix> I just understood why my deep space network wasn't there
L94[05:14:02] <hatrix> wrong KSP :)
L95[05:15:34] <packbart> Our probe is in a another universe
L96[05:15:50] <hatrix> same system, different universe
L97[05:16:02] <hatrix> I'm not fond of the Interstellar Extended mod after all
L98[05:16:04] <hatrix> too complex
L99[05:16:08] <hatrix> and no documentation
L100[05:18:28] <packbart> ah. hmm. I see. https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/172026-x/&do=findComment&comment=2927445
L101[05:18:42] <hatrix> :D
L102[05:18:44] <packbart> I thought Kerbalism was complex
L103[05:18:57] <hatrix> I can't even get an engine to work
L104[05:20:34] <hatrix> I'm losing somt stuff by reverting to the previous KSP but at least my network is intact
L105[05:23:55] <hatrix> I'll look into the Near Future stuff
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L122[07:08:50] <packbart> 1.10 is here, says Steam
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L131[07:45:45] <packbart> nice double comet tails
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L138[09:08:20] <hatrix> some mods I want are still not compatible with 1.9, I'm staying on 1.8…
L139[09:16:25] <packbart> from what I've read, I expect most of the mods I use to work on 1.10 without changes. I'll test it later
L140[09:28:08] <flayer> being an ISP mechanic is a weird job
L141[09:32:36] <hatrix> I can always hear Scott saying "Check yo staging" in those cases https://i.imgur.com/zmbUmWd.png
L142[09:32:42] <hatrix> not so bad though
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L144[10:06:26] <darsie> Oh my, I built a rescue Kerbal+Debris from the surface of the Mun for a Kerbal in Munar orbit.
L145[10:09:11] <darsie> rocket*
L146[10:10:51] <raptop> oh, hey, 1.10 is in fact out
L147[10:11:15] *** raptop changes topic to Kerbal Space Program official channel | versions: KSP1 1.10.0 KSP2 NaN | Rules: tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | "chanlog" to see what people are talking about
L148[10:12:42] <darsie> How is it?
L149[10:15:08] <packbart> new :) I only had time to look at a comet and wonder how to use the Moho Transfer Stage part
L150[10:15:34] <raptop> Dunno yet, just started downloading
L151[10:16:25] <raptop> oh, come on. Why do I have to complete a captcha for updating the wiki?
L152[10:17:19] <packbart> I've been watching a Tomb Raider moviegame for the past couple of days. Now there's a good incentive to take a break and fly with KSP
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L155[10:24:19] <Mat2ch> Did they do some performance improvements as well or is it just cosmetics?
L156[10:26:53] <raptop> They mention performance imporvements
L157[10:27:04] <Althego> in what, 1.10?
L158[10:27:12] <raptop> see the changelog https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/195192-kerbal-space-program-110-%E2%80%9Cshared-horizons%E2%80%9D-is-now-available/
L159[10:27:15] <raptop> Althego: yep
L160[10:33:41] <AmbulatoryCortex> hey, wonder how big a class E comet is, then
L161[10:34:35] <flayer> about as big as your mom
L162[10:34:54] <AmbulatoryCortex> that's pretty tiny then
L163[10:35:15] <packbart> this one was 3200t. https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/royd1.jpg
L164[10:37:26] <packbart> its high inclination used up much of the produced fuel on the way to a low orbit fuel station
L165[10:38:20] <AmbulatoryCortex> and that's a comet, not an asteroid?
L166[10:38:51] <packbart> oh. my bad m) I read "class E" and associated that with an asteroid
L167[10:39:20] <AmbulatoryCortex> Yeah, the announcement says they're bigger than asteroids, so I'm curious how much bigger.
L168[10:39:35] <packbart> I only cheated a probe core next to a new comet in a quick test. it did look quite big
L169[10:41:15] <Althego> eh a spaewalk has just ended
L170[10:41:48] <packbart> two batteries replaced, one to go
L171[10:52:55] <packbart> AmbulatoryCortex: a random sample of 1: https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/kspco.jpg - 274 kilotons
L172[10:53:38] <AmbulatoryCortex> This pleases me
L173[10:54:17] <AmbulatoryCortex> Can't wait to use MKS to launch spacecraft from it
L174[10:56:13] <packbart> the small klaw is cute
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L177[11:06:53] <kubi> hmm
L178[11:07:11] <kubi> did they fix the non loading config issue?
L179[11:07:13] <Althego> so when is .1 coming out? :)
L180[11:07:36] <kubi> I'm tired of going to the settings and applying every time I start the game
L181[11:07:44] <Althego> that was long ago
L182[11:07:51] <Althego> in 1.8 or 1.9 maybe, but not in the .1
L183[11:07:54] <kubi> 1.9.1 is suffering from it
L184[11:08:01] <kubi> linux
L185[11:10:53] <Althego> then it is a different one that i had (similar config reset), but mine was fixed
L186[11:15:06] <raptop> hrm, sounds like something got accidentally set -w?
L187[11:17:16] * raptop forgets what the cause of that bug was
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L191[12:02:54] <Althego> the modulin is az crazy as ever
L192[12:09:17] <packbart> what's the usual way to transfer a CKAN mod-installation to a new version. If I just copy the mods, they show up as "AD" in CKAN, whatever that means
L193[12:09:35] <packbart> there's an option to export a mod list - but no import
L194[12:16:32] <FLHerne> Jetpacks have an *incredible* amount of Δv!
L195[12:16:50] <Althego> and actually infinite, as long as you can go back into a capsule
L196[12:16:53] <FLHerne> (even disregarding the infinite-refills hack)
L197[12:17:03] <packbart> there's a mod for that ;)
L198[12:17:21] <packbart> EVAFuel draws from the ship's monoprop tanks
L199[12:17:27] <FLHerne> What isn't there a mod for?
L200[12:23:38] <Althego> maybe online multiplayer kerbal battle chess
L201[12:25:24] <packbart> well, for everything except the "chess" part
L202[12:26:20] <FLHerne> Eh, decorative rovers as pieces
L203[12:26:29] <FLHerne> Drive them around the board
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L212[14:24:14] <raptop> Also, exactly how g-tolerance is calcualted still feels opaque
L213[14:25:02] <raptop> I think it's G_endurance = config_value * bravery/2 * BadS
L214[14:25:12] <raptop> Where BadS is 1.5 if true, or 1 if false
L215[14:25:25] <raptop> And then Max_G = 4.5 * G_endurance
L216[14:25:43] <raptop> But there seem to be some mismatches, and config_value there doesn't actually match up with what's in that config file
L217[14:38:16] <packbart> so, I docked my 0.625m (sandbox) probe to a comet, the camera zoomed out to the new center of mass. now I can't find the probe core, it's too small
L218[14:38:23] <packbart> :)
L219[14:43:32] <raptop> oops
L220[14:43:37] <raptop> Uh, at least you can pan the camera
L221[14:48:55] <packbart> found it! https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/kspco2.jpg
L222[14:49:11] <packbart> Flat Comet Society https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/kspco3.jpg
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L224[14:54:42] <Mat2ch> The real question: Does it have a gravitational field? ;)
L225[14:57:25] <packbart> hmm. does Principia do all-body simulations using vessel mass?
L226[14:57:37] <packbart> not at any decent frame rate, I guess
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L229[15:11:05] <raptop> They do not. Apparently the line in the FAQ about why this was silly is no longer there
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L232[15:18:36] <umaxtu> It doesn't look like this has been posted here yet. https://www.pcgamer.com/space-odyssey-our-first-big-look-at-kerbal-space-program-2/
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L258[21:29:36] <farlonch> Someone is having problems with fairings in 1.10?
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L272[23:25:42] <ConductorCat> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s95cxZkC_es
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