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L5[02:27:27] <Mat2ch> Let me quickly park this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zr0nfG3Xy4

L6[02:27:28] <kmath> YouTube - GPS III Space Vehicle 03 Mission

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L30[06:57:09] <sandbox> I've had one of these flying over my house 4 times today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_C-17_Globemaster_III

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L36[08:52:40] <Althego> lol commercial space tourist with eva

L37[08:52:49] <Althego> not in ksp

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L40[08:59:24] <Mat2ch> In mother Russia you get thrown out of space station if you pay for it!

L41[08:59:41] <Althego> hehe

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L50[09:55:03] * darsie offers space tourism with EVA.

L51[09:56:37] * JVFoxy suddenly has dark thoughts but then tells self to shutup. ..<

L52[10:01:19] <flayer> indeed

L53[10:02:05] <JVFoxy> given how manic kerbals are about spaceflight, borderline suicide maybe?

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L56[10:07:00] <flayer> nah, they're just excited

L57[10:09:15] <JVFoxy> ok.. maybe a bit OCD?

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L68[12:35:08] <Althego> 20 minutes unti launch?

L69[12:35:16] <Althego> this is not the usual llaunchpad

L70[12:35:35] <raptop> Today in lunar far side radio proposals https://arxiv.org/abs/2003.06881

L71[12:38:00] <JVFoxy> anyone else use airplanes plus?

L72[12:38:42] <JVFoxy> figured I'd mess around, try a little slow flying piston plane. this engine.. and with KSP's flight modeling, hard to get anything off the ground that goes less than 60ms

L73[12:39:10] <JVFoxy> though I suspect power curve on this engine just... its nasty.

L74[12:49:07] <Althego> heh over 20 minutes already

L75[12:50:08] <Althego> or rather again

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L77[12:55:05] <Althego> music on

L78[12:55:23] <Althego> amazin, this feature didnt work for months now, the streams never started on their own

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L80[12:58:33] <Althego> i still canttake this space force seriously

L81[13:16:08] * JVFoxy oh wells, made switch to little turboprop engines, plane ends up flying way better.

L82[13:19:39] <Althego> hehe pixelated

L83[13:20:07] <umaxtu> I still find the stock turboprops confusing to use

L84[13:22:14] <JVFoxy> https://imgur.com/a/Jv3GXKQ

L85[13:22:40] <JVFoxy> Bounder just made.. Airflow was bigger one I did with same engines, based on the Airstream aircraft

L86[13:23:08] <umaxtu> that looks nice

L87[13:23:09] <JVFoxy> er.. airflow also did a while back..

L88[13:24:12] <JVFoxy> airplanes plus has these two bladed tiny piston engines, but between planes struggling to get up at slower than 50m/s and the power of that engine getting enemic once it goes past 50m/s...

L89[13:24:58] <JVFoxy> is why I switched to turboprop. I did manage to get tiny censna type plane with the little engine, but only seats 2

L90[13:25:45] <raptop> The prop sizes are annoying

L91[13:25:53] <umaxtu> JVFoxy, have you noticed the stock jet engines randomly losing intake air momentarily at regular cruising speeds?

L92[13:26:26] <JVFoxy> umaxtu can't say I have... though have noticed SAS tends to twitch depending on some conditions

L93[13:27:39] <JVFoxy> Was going to say, between Bounder and Airflow, I like the clean look of the second. Extra wing parts though on the other, at least it can cruise alright around 8km up

L94[13:27:59] <JVFoxy> not really sure if its needed but eh..

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L96[13:32:35] <JVFoxy> raptop how so?

L97[13:40:22] <raptop> JVFoxy: I mean, I've had gound contact problems while taxiing/needed to use the larger landing gear for light aircraft?

L98[13:41:26] <Althego> hehehe ufd tech vpn ad insert... calls vpn an internet condom

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L100[13:41:45] <JVFoxy> raptop you using the DLC stuff for doing props?

L101[13:42:21] <raptop> JVFoxy: yeah. Bought the game in like november 2011, so got all the DLC for $0

L102[13:43:45] <JVFoxy> got a pic of one of your designs? Kind of curious what these blades are like. I tend to base some of my stuff off real world designs. though I don't have the DLC yet, so not sure what the 'pain' is like

L103[13:54:26] <raptop> part of the problem is that I've barely played KSP lately, so eg: https://arxiv.org/abs/2003.06881

L104[13:54:29] <raptop> er

L105[13:54:53] <raptop> actual link https://photos.app.goo.gl/5Bs2diRYCq7zSp9WA

L106[13:55:49] <raptop> I've done a bit with trying pseudocontrarotrating designs (either push-pull, or something like the P-38) to attempt to manague torque

L107[13:57:02] <JVFoxy> torque modeling too huh?

L108[13:58:03] <raptop> yeah

L109[13:58:09] <JVFoxy> IRL, when you have a single prop engine on the front of the plane, the design of the wings has it that one side pushes down harder just a tiny bit to counter act things.

L110[13:58:13] <raptop> Like the guides on the forums talk about managing torque

L111[13:58:22] <raptop> Huh, that's a good idea

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L113[13:59:14] <JVFoxy> there is also slipstream, which is countered at the tail with a little sideways tab, but I don't think KSP models that. Just if some engine is pushing on teh craft itself

L114[13:59:55] <JVFoxy> Raptop maybe consider a trim tab on the wing?

L115[14:00:43] <JVFoxy> doubt you'll get things perfect, might have to fiddle with it a lot.

L116[14:02:54] <JVFoxy> if you using engines on the wings, a way to reverse one side so it counteracts torque?

L117[14:04:23] <raptop> I've seen trim tabs mentioned somewhere, but forget where.

L118[14:04:47] <raptop> And yeah, reversing one side does wonders (that was my p-38 reference, the props spin in opposite directions)

L119[14:05:30] <JVFoxy> Tigercat I believe does it too

L120[14:06:01] <JVFoxy> F7F-3N

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L122[14:08:53] <JVFoxy> oh wait.. quick search says it was planned but never done. Since making counter rotating engines for one specific aircraft wasn't worth it... hm

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L141[18:27:46] <packbart> KSP launch day

L142[18:34:45] <UmbralRaptop> As in 1.10?

L143[18:36:30] <raptop> Apparently not

L144[18:37:50] <packbart> it's supposed to. the day just started in a few timezones.

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L146[18:51:12] <raptop> it's still june in the americas

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L160[21:20:02] <raptop> I'm going to assume that either there was a surprise delay, or it'll be released during the day in CDT or PDT

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L168[23:53:40] <raptop> One of the coauthors is about who you'd eggspect for a silly paper https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.12280