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L8[01:56:30] <Althego> hehe went above 8 hours
L9[01:57:33] <Althego> at least i realized that my new mouse is still under warranty, so now that the virus restrictions are mostly over, i can maybe get a new one for free
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L12[03:20:48] <Althego> that climbing lift https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8hQk5wcesU
L13[03:20:48] <kmath> YouTube - Eve ∞ 2 | Fully Reusable Eve SEA-LEVEL SSTO | KSP 1.9.1
L14[04:21:30] <Mat2ch> that lift
L15[04:21:32] <Mat2ch> Wow
L16[04:33:19] <Mat2ch> ok, what did I just watch there? No DLC? That means no robotic bearings?!
L17[04:54:30] <Althego> hahaha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ4e_VQdqDg
L18[04:54:31] <kmath> YouTube - Tatooine is Flat! *PROOF*
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L20[05:05:04] <sandbox> saw that yesterday
L21[05:06:09] <Guest24742> Is there any RSS+RO tutorial? (not installation tutorial.)
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L33[09:00:25] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOiEwXF4ZC4
L34[09:00:25] <kmath> YouTube - Massive Rockets, Engines & Parachutes - More Things That SpaceX Abandoned
L35[09:00:28] <Althego> scott
L36[09:13:08] <Althego> hehe rocketlab's next mission: pics or it didn't happen
L37[09:15:38] *** FLHerne_ is now known as FLHerne
L38[09:18:07] <FLHerne> I have a computer that can run KSP again! :D
L39[09:18:18] <FLHerne> tfw when you don't have quite enough parachutes
L40[09:18:42] <FLHerne> and your craft lands after a fairly successful Mun mission at 7.1m/s
L41[09:18:45] <FLHerne> and explodes
L42[09:18:56] <Althego> hehe
L43[09:19:03] <FLHerne> Stupid Hitchhiker pods
L44[09:19:06] <Althego> normally only the engine should explode
L45[09:19:15] <Althego> except if you land on water
L46[09:19:46] <FLHerne> Luckily it has a docking port
L47[09:20:08] <FLHerne> So, reload save, send up an extra-parachutes module
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L50[09:53:17] <Alanonzander> FLHerne, I've goeen into the habit of putting up a space station in medium Kerbin orbit. If for some reason I forget parachutes or heat shield, I send teh kerbals to teh station, and send up a corrected lander, then recycle the old one.
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L69[11:34:25] <Dutchy45> Hey guys, what happens if you've maxed out on active Kerbals and rescue another1?
L70[11:36:04] <raptop> IIRC, you can use rescues to go over the cap
L71[11:36:19] <raptop> But you're not going to be able to hire any. Just fire.
L72[11:38:26] <flayer> you're fired
L73[11:38:30] <Dutchy45> The idea is to not be forced to hire any later in my game. So hiring from what's available is not exactly planned.
L74[11:40:56] <raptop> flayer: underperforming kerbals will be feed to the Kraken
L75[11:41:24] <Dutchy45> Can anybody confirm what raptop said?
L76[11:41:34] <flayer> that's been my experience
L77[11:46:43] <hatrix> I remember darsie liked rescuing kerbals, he might know
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L79[11:49:10] <Dutchy45> darsie, you wanna weigh in?
L80[11:51:34] <flayer> you don't need more confirmation
L81[11:52:01] <Althego> you dont need to see his identification
L82[11:52:11] <Althego> these are not the droids you are looking for
L83[11:52:14] <Althego> move along
L84[11:53:22] <darsie> .
L85[11:54:07] <darsie> Dutchy45: I think raptop is right.
L86[11:55:35] <darsie> raptop may be wrong about Kraken food.
L87[11:55:56] <Dutchy45> ok, I'm gonna go for it. Anybody like me to report succes or failure here?
L88[11:56:06] <darsie> yes
L89[11:56:29] <darsie> upgrade your astronaut complex ;)
L90[11:56:34] <raptop> yes please
L91[11:56:37] <Althego> i remembe once i was scrambling to upgrade the astronaut complex to have enough places for a new rescue, but i didnt know you could go over the max
L92[11:56:38] <darsie> jk :)
L93[11:57:30] <darsie> They can pack closer than 1 m ;).
L94[11:57:52] <Dutchy45> ok, will do. Might take some time IRL, but you guys are always here on this chat anyway. :)
L95[11:58:07] <darsie> I'm out while I sleep.
L96[11:58:13] <Althego> me too
L97[11:58:41] * darsie rescues a Kerbal while intoxicated ...
L98[12:00:10] <raptop> yeah, sleep IRCing is rather impractical
L99[12:00:36] <darsie> Rescue Dobald and Dobald's debris from the surface of the Moon. That's a bit more than I planned ...
L100[12:00:45] <Althego> many years ago i wanted to irc while sleeping
L101[12:01:14] <Althego> imagine that, collective dreaming through ircú
L102[12:02:40] * darsie does not build rockets to rescue Dobald ...
L103[12:04:18] <darsie> oops, need to rescue debris, too. Rockets it is ...
L104[12:06:25] <Althego> hehe ksp but orbits are shrinking
L105[12:10:40] <hatrix> linx?
L106[12:10:50] <Althego> that
L107[12:11:42] <hatrix> I'm amazed how KSP is still pretty active
L108[12:11:58] <Althego> a game such as this can never die
L109[12:12:22] <hatrix> I'm trying to wrap my head around KSP Interstellar, this mod is so complex
L110[12:13:01] <darsie> Generation ship?
L111[12:13:03] <hatrix> but then some planets require 23 000m/s of Δv…
L112[12:13:57] <JVFoxy> its space stuff..!
L113[12:14:22] <JVFoxy> Been into space since I was tiny, classic lego sets from 70s... so much blue and gray :)
L114[12:16:15] <Mat2ch> Sooo, harvester made another game...?
L115[12:16:37] <Althego> not that i know of
L116[12:17:36] <JVFoxy> ugh.. google, I wanna search the game company Harvester.. not games /about/ harvesting...
L117[12:17:38] <Mat2ch> Balsa Model Flight Simulator
L118[12:18:00] <JVFoxy> oh right.. that one
L119[12:18:08] <Mat2ch> and you can build you own planes there and the menu looks pretty similar...
L120[12:18:11] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70-ZPi6Bdc0
L121[12:18:12] <kmath> YouTube - No more Rockets! KSP creator's NEW game: Balsa Model Flight Simulator
L122[12:18:45] <hatrix> is the physics correct this time?
L123[12:18:58] <JVFoxy> not too many people spend the time to build actual balsa framed RC planes, usually it seems more the 'pre-made' generation. :\
L124[12:19:01] <Althego> hehe why have an rc flight sim
L125[12:19:17] <JVFoxy> rc flight sim good practice before flying real RC stuff
L126[12:19:36] <JVFoxy> also, can't always go out and fly at the field whenever you want
L127[12:19:42] <Mat2ch> but that one just follows the plane
L128[12:19:45] <hatrix> pretty niche still
L129[12:19:56] <Mat2ch> if you want to have a sim, you need to be stationary in it to work
L130[12:20:20] <JVFoxy> oh.. follows.. can you at least 1st person like PFV?
L131[12:20:46] <JVFoxy> ... FPV I mean.. ugh I keep forgetting which way it goes
L132[12:21:23] <Althego> this is more aimed at fluburtur than me
L133[12:21:35] <Althego> make it a real plane simulator
L134[12:21:52] <Althego> simulating of a toy is not what i want
L135[12:22:04] <Althego> i could spend money on rc planes, and dont
L136[12:22:14] <Mat2ch> you have to be outside for that! ;)
L137[12:22:16] <Mat2ch> but it's fun
L138[12:22:25] <JVFoxy> does it let you custom build planes or..?
L139[12:22:38] <Althego> yes kerbal style build
L140[12:22:38] <Mat2ch> well, after you get used to the fact that you should always carry a garbage bag with you.
L141[12:22:48] <Althego> hehe
L142[12:22:56] <Althego> to hide the bodies? :)
L143[12:23:01] <JVFoxy> plane bodies
L144[12:23:07] <JVFoxy> well at least parts of things
L145[12:24:05] <Althego> i was thinking maybe drones
L146[12:24:25] <Althego> but the legal s tatus of these is not really ok at the moment
L147[12:24:34] <Mat2ch> if there are any things left that you can call "bodies"...
L148[12:24:36] <Althego> ar at least then, and i havent looked into it since then
L149[12:24:47] <Mat2ch> get a smaller one and fly it inside :P
L150[12:24:47] <JVFoxy> should go watch Flitetest on youtube, some of the crazy stuff they do
L151[12:24:52] <Mat2ch> have fun with it
L152[12:25:01] <Mat2ch> do challenges. Make videos how you break the drone *g*
L153[12:25:24] <JVFoxy> Althego not ok how so? Just get your permit, think its only a written sorta thing
L154[12:25:41] <Althego> flight permissions
L155[12:26:04] <Althego> so basically people are flying it illegally
L156[12:26:09] <JVFoxy> I understand the 'can't fly so close to airports, buildings, people' sorta thing
L157[12:26:22] <Althego> and there is also the provacy issue
L158[12:26:39] <Althego> so i decided no to buy drones
L159[12:26:52] <JVFoxy> it could have been worse, originally they wanted to say 'anything with a camera can't fly'... tech gotten so good, flyer size of your thumb could still have a camera
L160[12:27:05] <Althego> hehe
L161[12:27:13] <Althego> you can ban them but pointless
L162[12:27:45] <JVFoxy> so.. they had to change things. They also wanted to practically 'ban the entire RC hobby'. Or at least make it prohibited in ways
L163[12:28:36] <JVFoxy> worried you might poke camera in someone's window?
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L165[12:29:44] <Althego> hmm apparently there some kind of eu regulation was passed a year ago
L166[12:30:32] <JVFoxy> don't have flying clubs?
L167[12:31:17] <JVFoxy> a little more fortunate over here in Canada. Granted, my ultralight school lost use of the land they had been on loan from a farm for 35 years
L168[12:31:45] <JVFoxy> farm wanted the land to grow more stuff, school had to move to one of the airports, which is further out from me now
L169[12:33:30] <JVFoxy> .... anyways... c_c
L170[12:34:20] <Althego> so basically under 25 kg and 120 m, you can now fly one
L171[12:34:27] <Althego> 120 seems kind of low
L172[12:36:51] <JVFoxy> 393 feet height..
L173[12:37:24] <Althego> i was also thinking about high altitude balloons
L174[12:37:42] <Althego> but that surely requires paperwork. also a car to chase them
L175[12:38:24] <JVFoxy> we've three classes here.. I forgot the actual figures, but drone I have was made before the rules, weighs about 400g, think rules state has to be half that or in the 3 tier..?
L176[12:40:10] <JVFoxy> ah ok.. if its less than 250g, don't need to do the permit/licensing.
L177[12:41:35] <Althego> anyway, still seems simpler than an amateur radio operator licence. i sure dont want to go through any kind of exams at my age
L178[12:42:16] <JVFoxy> here.. can fly below 122 meters but can't go further than 30 meters horizontially.. bleh
L179[12:42:27] <Althego> and telescopes are also out, because i wouldnt be able to see anything from inside a city
L180[12:42:48] <Althego> so i still cant spend my money on anything intersting
L181[12:42:54] <JVFoxy> Althego got ham licence?
L182[12:42:59] <Althego> no
L183[12:43:02] <JVFoxy> doh
L184[12:43:09] <Althego> i just checked what it required
L185[12:43:30] <Althego> and i am not going to jump through hoops
L186[12:43:44] <JVFoxy> had a friend pester me about getting it.. even hosted a mock test with some of us. One of my other friend's got it but never even used it.
L187[12:44:30] <Althego> because i thought, maybe i could build a radar to measure the distance to the moon :)
L188[12:44:39] <JVFoxy> very much into radio, mostly been listening, trying things out. Includes tracking amateur satellites, downlinking weather sat data..
L189[12:44:57] <Althego> that weather sat data is also interesting
L190[12:45:20] <Althego> saw that on thought emporium channel
L191[12:45:32] <JVFoxy> ah you too heh..
L192[12:45:59] <JVFoxy> I thought about it when I saw thought's video. Then there was another video that came out from someone else, decided to get the software, use my 2m yagi out
L193[12:46:03] <Althego> but since then it turned into this genetic engineering thing, which is interesting in a way, but i want to watch more tech
L194[12:46:39] <JVFoxy> ya was hoping for more radio/tech stuff too, but I guess ever since they built that bio lab thing... oh well
L195[12:48:00] <JVFoxy> oh.. it was the ham radio crash course guy on youtube that I saw about the weather sats
L196[12:49:23] <JVFoxy> about the NOAA satellites.. I've not do the geo stationary ones. I guess I could with a dish I have, but I would need to find a way to power the LNB since my dongle doesn't supply the voltage
L197[12:52:46] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_DqV1xdf-Y
L198[12:52:46] <kmath> YouTube - UNLIMITED POWER!
L199[12:52:48] <Althego> hehe
L200[12:53:04] <Althego> just take a pocket palpatine and plug in
L201[12:55:28] <JVFoxy> Althego you any good at offering ideas on directions to go with career?
L202[12:55:40] <Althego> in ksp?
L203[12:56:34] <JVFoxy> ya
L204[12:57:11] <FLHerne> Hm, my booster stage has a TWR of 0.98
L205[12:57:16] <Althego> wait 11 days until we get 1.10 :)
L206[12:57:18] <FLHerne> This isn't working very well
L207[12:57:22] <Althego> hehe
L208[12:57:29] <Althego> that is what i am doing
L209[12:57:48] <JVFoxy> val and jeb with a rescue at mun with a little station. A couple of contracts cropped up while they were there. Two rescues (turns out one is a pilot) and a 'land on mun, get science' Wondering if I should just return the 3 back home, or try to send some stuff out using probe cores, or rescue the one pilot in LKO, use him
L210[13:10:01] <JVFoxy> hmmm...
L211[13:11:24] <JVFoxy> Althego guess no thoughts?
L212[13:11:39] <Althego> for career i just do whatever missions pop up
L213[13:13:46] <JVFoxy> I guess I could do the two rescues with one ship..
L214[13:14:13] <FLHerne> Does anyone play without revert/autosave?
L215[13:14:45] <darsie> no
L216[13:14:46] <darsie> ;)
L217[13:15:00] <FLHerne> I think I'd have depopulated Kerbin by now
L218[13:15:07] <Althego> hehe
L219[13:15:23] <FLHerne> But building abort systems that actually had to work might be neat
L220[13:15:23] <JVFoxy> I'd go nuts without revert. I do a lot of design testing
L221[13:15:24] <Althego> even if you do everything perfectly
L222[13:15:29] <Althego> ther can be bugs
L223[13:15:40] <FLHerne> Maybe there should be a setting when you launch
L224[13:15:54] <Althego> revert doesnt help much with parallel missions
L225[13:16:00] <JVFoxy> there was a mod that made parts randomly fail on you.. that still around?
L226[13:16:04] <Althego> once you started them you have to finish them as you are
L227[13:16:13] <FLHerne> Simulation that's always revertable, or real launch that never is
L228[13:16:31] <Althego> yes, you can treat the first few tries as simulation
L229[13:16:45] <JVFoxy> even if you saved a point, you can't revert?
L230[13:17:00] <Althego> there was a time when i used to design in sandbox, fly the mission, then do the same in career
L231[13:17:18] <JVFoxy> I seem to recall, once you get on the pad, if you saved, you can't revert back to VAB/SPH, had to be to that particular save point
L232[13:17:34] <Althego> you cant revert with parallel missions, because you have already done n others when you get to a critical mission part
L233[13:18:12] <JVFoxy> 'parallel missions'... as in leaving someone out there, flying another, and switching between the two?
L234[13:18:29] <Althego> two? i can go up to 15-20
L235[13:18:34] <Althego> at that point it becaomes really hard
L236[13:19:01] <Althego> and that is why the traditional career doesnt make sense to me. by say 10 i should have most of the tech tree
L237[13:19:03] <Alanonzander> definately need soemthing like Kerbal Alerm Clock
L238[13:19:09] <Althego> *day 10
L239[13:20:00] <JVFoxy> ugh... can't imagine if you wanted to hire another pilot by that point, the cost
L240[13:20:09] <Althego> free
L241[13:20:12] <Althego> because rescue
L242[13:20:27] <JVFoxy> ya but profession is usually random
L243[13:20:41] <Althego> most of these are robotic
L244[13:21:07] <JVFoxy> I snuck a peek at the persist file.. got one pilot on the upcoming roster with the bads trait. But also a tourist? wuh?
L245[13:21:12] <Althego> only a few mun and minmus missions are by kerbals, and of course the rescues
L246[13:21:23] <Althego> hehe
L247[13:21:28] <Althego> got a tourist badS
L248[13:21:41] <Althego> bad luck brian
L249[13:21:48] <JVFoxy> lol.. badluck
L250[13:21:51] <Althego> ok, it doesnt do anythin anyway, jsut facial expressions
L251[13:22:43] <JVFoxy> I did just fly two craft, one was the station part that went out first. And a 3 crew ship after the rescue on the way out. I don't quite get how the second ship made the trip faster than the station..
L252[13:24:13] <JVFoxy> I injectioned at least 2.. maybe hours apart (a low kerbal orbit or two later) and yet, crewed ship halfed the gap or something. game time dialates if ship not in focus or something?
L253[13:26:53] <Althego> wth a bit of delta v difference you can really speed up travel time to the mun and minmus
L254[13:27:34] <Althego> but i need to sleep
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L257[14:07:35] <Dutchy45> Paging darsie, raptop and whoever else was interested in knowing if you could have more Kerbals available for missions than the maximum allowable in the astronaut complex by rescueing them. I can report succes. I now have more than the max. I tested in the VAB and all the new guys were happy to enter a command pod.
L258[14:11:26] <raptop> \o/
L259[14:14:22] <darsie> :)
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L263[14:40:09] * darsie recovered Dobald Kerman and his scrap from the surface of The Mun.
L264[14:40:41] <darsie> I also have Kirk Kerman :).
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L269[15:51:34] <FLHerne> Am I missing something about orbital transfers?
L270[15:51:55] <FLHerne> I have a contract to put something in a fairly weird orbit of the sun
L271[15:52:42] <FLHerne> 46x80Gm, 5° inclination
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L273[15:57:31] <FLHerne> Wait, I know what I did wrong :p
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L290[21:01:24] <Outsoldier> hello
L291[21:01:25] <Mod9000> Hello, Outsoldier
L292[21:01:27] <Mod9001> Hello, Outsoldier
L293[21:01:52] <Outsoldier> so is this a place where you can chat about ksp?
L294[21:02:19] <raptop> yes, it is
L295[21:02:28] <Outsoldier> oh ok
L296[21:02:38] <raptop> note to self: ask deddly why we have two greeters now
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L298[21:07:10] * raptop has unfortunately been mostly eaten by work stuff
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