OCLogs: 2020-06-16.log

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L5[00:02:17] <Althego> hah there is a high res video of the tank leak from yesterday

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L18[02:13:37] <Mat2ch> Althego: where where where?

L19[02:13:46] <Althego> same channel

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L21[02:15:54] <Mat2ch> :(

L22[02:16:05] <Mat2ch> I need links, links to click on

L23[02:17:02] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTp9c_PUNH4

L24[02:17:02] <kmath> YouTube - SpaceX Boca Chica - SN7 test tank reaches 7.6 bar during pressure test

L25[02:22:01] <Mat2ch> I hope they weld it shut and try again ;)

L26[02:50:14] <Althego> i would expect thme having na other one ready

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L31[03:26:16] <Mat2ch> Tis but a flesh wound!

L32[03:27:20] <Althego> this but a flash light :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URuomhoeuNw

L33[03:27:20] <kmath> YouTube - 100,000 Lumen Flashlight vs Singularity V3 (The Brightest Flashlight vs The Blackest Material)

L34[03:28:09] <Althego> i liked how the black paper started to smoke because of the light

L35[03:38:36] <Mat2ch> hrm, is a 100k lumen flash light enough to move in space? ;)

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L231[04:41:21] <JVFoxy> ugh... hate when something goes sideways, messes with moods, then turns out it was all for nothing. >_>

L232[04:41:23] <hatrix> I don't really know how contracts are created though, to what extent they're automatic

L233[04:41:37] <hatrix> i'm playing Beyond Home, not sure how contracts will be handled

L234[04:43:57] <hatrix> I've already got 3 different KSP folders, I'm not sure what combination of mods I want to play D:

L235[04:47:57] <JVFoxy> hatrix don't know much about how contracts are created. Though I did notice in the persistent file, it doesn't exactly retain location names? Just a flag for them for each contract you take.

L236[04:48:18] <hatrix> hmm

L237[04:48:25] <hatrix> in Beyond Home it's a bit glitchy

L238[04:48:45] <hatrix> I've never left the home planet's SOI and I get contracts for landing on planets on another system

L239[04:49:18] <JVFoxy> I did get one contract asking me to return a satellite from mun orbit. I guess it saw what I had out there.. a couple of times it even asked me to upgrade a station

L240[04:49:52] <hatrix> haha yeah, I got a contract asking me to move one of my relays, never going to happen :)

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L242[04:54:31] <JVFoxy> huh... got something of the like, asking me to do a orbital plane change on a probe some old career ago, past several versions back. Career save still sorta sitting there untouuched for months

L243[04:57:25] <packbart> hatrix: Kourageous Tourists has contracts to take tourists to anomalies, so there's some reason to scan for them (or look up the locations in the wiki ;)

L244[04:58:30] <packbart> it's a bit tedious to get a gaggle of tourists out of the can. I build a small Kerbal Mass Ejection PartModule but it doesn't work yet as it should ;)

L245[04:58:41] <JVFoxy> I'd like to see more use for planes.. seem to recall some mod that put contracts out to fly kerbals to destinations?

L246[04:59:01] <JVFoxy> lol.. mass ejection

L247[04:59:32] <JVFoxy> makes me think that kerbal mun ejection system someone did. Involves a fuel tank, pair of mainsail engines

L248[04:59:38] <packbart> it pushes every Kerbal in a part out of all available airlocks. some of them collide and accelerate to hilarious speeds

L249[05:00:20] <JVFoxy> free floating kerbals in a cargo bay... um ya, not such a hot idea. Kerbals tend to... break through walls as it were

L250[05:00:22] <hatrix> ok so stock only

L251[05:00:24] <packbart> hmm. not every Kerbal throufh all airlocks, though. at least while the camera is watching

L252[05:06:47] <JVFoxy> KIS/KAS has props for kerbals, like the boombox, taco, ect. Any other mods that adds more stuff to the inventory system?

L253[05:07:38] <JVFoxy> though, realizing now I might be thinking kerbal doll house or something

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L256[05:08:29] <Alanonzander> there is one that has some scanner tools, eye piece, etc but I cannot think of the name

L257[05:18:32] <JVFoxy> don't know the name either but vaguely remember the stuff you talking about.

L258[05:19:18] <JVFoxy> kerbal hacks?

L259[05:22:04] <JVFoxy> heh..this seems more fitting https://i.imgur.com/jAnMDuv.png

L260[05:24:31] <darsie> Much more compact :).

L261[05:26:07] <hatrix> Interstellar Extended is so nice with the different fuels available

L262[05:26:22] <hatrix> I can finally use whichever tank I want to put whatever inside

L263[05:27:33] <hatrix> https://i.imgur.com/jxZ8mtv.png

L264[05:27:44] <JVFoxy> think real fuels is kind of neat mod too

L265[05:28:01] <hatrix> well, there are a lot in this one

L266[05:28:02] <JVFoxy> add more complexity, add engine igniter

L267[05:28:24] <hatrix> https://i.imgur.com/5yPjJgv.png

L268[05:28:34] <JVFoxy> makes engines have no restarts, only certain number of restarts.. or unlimited, depending on what you include with the build

L269[05:29:41] <hatrix> sounds hard

L270[05:32:46] <JVFoxy> just means planning ahead

L271[05:33:23] <JVFoxy> in reality, main boosters generally don't restart. Exception is SpaceX's falcon, since it comes back down to land

L272[05:33:50] <JVFoxy> but even then, its only restarting 3 engines twice, and one 3 times

L273[05:34:30] <JVFoxy> ... correction, 2 engines twice, 1 engine 3.. center does the landing

L274[05:38:32] <JVFoxy> huh.. that pic with the compact helmet, as Darsie says. Reminds me of a toy I had as a kid. Spaceman figure from Alpha Probe 1 shuttle toy: https://acimg.auctivacommerce.com/imgdata/0/1/9/3/9/7/webimg/13837783.jpg

L275[05:39:55] <JVFoxy> that or the Doctor Freeze glass helmet from the Batman cartoon series

L276[05:41:01] <JVFoxy> or Mr. Freeze I guess

L277[05:41:22] <hatrix> another useless station launch just to get $$$ https://i.imgur.com/SrZIlpr.png

L278[05:44:43] <JVFoxy> weeee

L279[05:44:53] <JVFoxy> eh why useless?

L280[05:45:03] <JVFoxy> just filling a contract?

L281[05:45:05] <hatrix> it's going to be in a solar orbit

L282[05:45:31] <JVFoxy> going to place it outside or inside kerbin's solar orbit/

L283[05:45:41] <packbart> space stations don't "do" much (except maybe for Kerbalism's science modifications where some experiments take years)

L284[05:46:30] <JVFoxy> this including ones with sci labs?

L285[05:47:26] <JVFoxy> I'm half tempted to place one around mun or something.. like to get one out to Duna as a mission..

L286[05:48:36] <packbart> the labs's purpose with Kerbalism is to transmit science experiments that would have required return to Kerbin. it takes a long time, too

L287[05:50:06] <JVFoxy> I know in stock, take science reports, turns it into data to be sent back .. or something. I haven't really messed with the lab too much

L288[05:50:13] <hatrix> I've got stations around the three moons and the home planet already :x

L289[05:50:25] <hatrix> JVFoxy: that's the best way to get a lot of science quite easily and fast

L290[05:50:30] <JVFoxy> station on kerbin doesn't really add too much, last I read at least

L291[05:50:34] <hatrix> one mission easily yiels 3k

L292[05:50:37] <JVFoxy> well.. on.. but also around

L293[05:51:27] <JVFoxy> I've generally tried to return science directly than transmitting. Unless it already gets full marks such as with crew reports

L294[05:51:59] <hatrix> you'll get more with the lab

L295[05:53:01] <JVFoxy> like I said, I haven't messed with lab too much. Its a bit of an .. 'investment'

L296[05:53:14] <packbart> Kerbalism doesn't have the "analyse the same sample a dozen times, get science every time" function of the stock labs

L297[05:53:56] <packbart> I haven't played with Kerbalism in quite a while, though. life-support mods fail me in long-term missions if they rely on resource converter chains

L298[05:54:17] <packbart> I liked the science part. A Mystery Goo observation takes 10 minutes

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L300[05:57:10] <JVFoxy> like watching grass grow, only in more color than green

L301[05:58:31] <JVFoxy> seems I hit a science point once and leave it at that. something about the whole diminishing returns thing..?

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L307[06:35:05] <JVFoxy> huh... so contract is 3 stars to rescue kerbal in low kerbin orbit... uh...

L308[06:35:16] <JVFoxy> why do I get the feeling its not so /low/ orbit..

L309[06:36:54] <JVFoxy> huh.. so it is low orbit, regular rescue contract. But why 3 stars?

L310[06:37:42] <darsie> retrograde?

L311[06:38:08] <darsie> Maybe you're a noob ;).

L312[06:38:27] <darsie> Going to orbit was 3*, too, IIRC :).

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L314[06:50:03] <JVFoxy> well considering I can get right up to the door in less than a 1/4 orbit from launch...

L315[06:50:20] <JVFoxy> well ok, maybe a touch more than 1/4 orbit.. but less than 1/2

L316[06:50:20] <packbart> the reputation is randomised over a range, I guess

L317[06:50:37] <darsie> JVFoxy: What tools do you use for that aptitude?

L318[06:50:41] <JVFoxy> Crsming, pilot, orbit is 86x80

L319[06:50:48] <JVFoxy> ... Crisming

L320[06:51:11] <JVFoxy> maybe cuz she was nearly over top of the center at taking the contract?

L321[06:51:27] <JVFoxy> tools?

L322[06:51:40] <darsie> JVFoxy: Any mods?

L323[06:51:46] <darsie> Like MJ

L324[06:52:33] <JVFoxy> nope.. stock

L325[06:52:37] <darsie> ok

L326[06:52:48] <JVFoxy> all in timing the launch

L327[06:52:52] <darsie> mhm

L328[06:53:04] <darsie> At first attempt?

L329[06:53:19] <JVFoxy> though I did have to rush things a bit into orbit.. max Q... ya I'm pushing past that

L330[06:53:35] <JVFoxy> ya she's in.. 15 minutes since launch

L331[06:54:34] <JVFoxy> yeesh.. she seems overly happy..

L332[06:55:46] <hatrix> I forgot it literally takes years for a relay around the star :|

L333[07:00:02] <JVFoxy> lol... fuel tank surface water impact

L334[07:00:12] <JVFoxy> kerbal rescued just shy of 40 minutes

L335[07:01:57] <hatrix> it feels so weird having the perfect orbital period to the millisecond when it's around 3 years

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L337[07:05:51] <JVFoxy> lol.. so what does it mean to have a tourist with the badass trait?

L338[07:10:04] <JVFoxy> nice to have another pilot but.. eh... was more meant as a test run to see why 3 stars. Other than cuz orbit wasn't ciruclar

L339[07:12:23] <JVFoxy> I still got the 3 sitting around the mun to deal with... and after this rescue, another 3 star one pops up, 6 tourists to go around the mun and back

L340[07:13:29] <JVFoxy> almost starting to seem like a career I had earlier.. except with 10 tourists, 8 for kerbal orbit, 2 was mun

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L343[07:34:43] <hatrix> it's hot in here https://i.imgur.com/8pjMMiC.png

L344[07:35:56] <JVFoxy> eh.. fly'n a little low there huh?

L345[07:36:02] <hatrix> just burned

L346[07:36:21] <JVFoxy> slightly crispy critters

L347[07:36:59] <hatrix> I got a decent network now though https://i.imgur.com/kV0eCVH.png

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L349[07:39:36] <JVFoxy> what mod does the by planet organization?

L350[07:42:15] <packbart> Tracking Station Evolved or so is the name

L351[07:45:36] <JVFoxy> ah

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L359[08:48:58] <Althego> scott

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L372[10:44:48] <Althego> https://twitter.com/LabPadre/status/1272655480968667137

L373[10:44:48] <kmath> <LabPadre> Manhole size rupture on #Starship SN7 test tank but it still stands. They're getting closer to perfection. #SpaceX… https://t.co/yp0vWLto18

L374[10:44:53] <Althego> hehe buff out

L375[10:44:58] <Althego> are they really going to fix this?

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L377[10:48:08] <transit> streaming today woo

L378[10:48:21] <Althego> are there cylinders?

L379[10:48:36] <transit> o.o?

L380[10:48:52] <transit> ksp 1.9.1 with both expansions

L381[10:49:51] <Althego> so apparently amd is delaying the next zen cpus a few months because intel is unable to come up with anything against them

L382[10:50:25] <Althego> this is going to hurt their reputation and it seems like a... shaft move to me

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L384[10:57:06] <packbart> well, why accelerate if you're in the lead

L385[11:01:13] <Althego> to stay in t he lead, because you are a small company operating with income t he size of the rival's research budget

L386[11:04:10] <darsie> Althego: I heard it was an intentionally destructive test. I doubt they'll fix it.

L387[11:04:23] <darsie> Maybe they replace the tanks.

L388[11:04:24] <Althego> yes it was intentional, elon said it

L389[11:04:45] <Althego> but he also said the it will buff out thing. probably as a joke

L390[11:04:52] <darsie> :)

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L392[11:23:43] <transit_> Kerbal Space Program LIVE!! What can we build with all of these new parts?! Tune in here: https://youtu.be/lhZ8JYhFtec

L393[11:23:43] <kmath> YouTube - Breaking some ground and making some history in Kerbal Space Program! (06/16/2020)

L394[11:23:52] <transit> weee

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L396[11:24:05] <transit> im still here dont worry

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L403[12:19:33] <transit> memory maxed, bye

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L410[13:45:12] <hatrix> is there any tool to model KSP system outside of KSP?

L411[13:45:47] <hatrix> I'd like to show distances between planets, SOI or other stuff

L412[13:46:15] <hatrix> the tracking station is not practical

L413[13:47:16] <hatrix> also maneuvers right inside the tracking station would be nice for some plotting with dummy crafts

L414[13:49:14] <flayer> hopefully i'll be free of kredit issues once i get my duna base landed

L415[13:49:52] <flayer> i actually failed to complete the asteroid retrieval missions in time :(

L416[13:50:18] <hatrix> I had several contracts also but my solar relay network took 12 years…

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L418[14:00:03] <Dutchy45> Hello, by the antenna's it says L1,L2 and L3. Is that for the level of tracking station?

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L420[14:04:14] <hatrix> yep Dutchy45, this page I guess https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/CommNet

L421[14:08:25] <Dutchy45> Thanks hatrix! took me way to long to think of that! :)

L422[14:09:13] <hatrix> this page is really interesting, take some time to understand how the antennas ratings work

L423[14:09:23] <hatrix> also my KSC broke https://hatrix.fr/ksp/wtf.webm

L424[14:34:04] <Dutchy45> :) Funny, you should post that on Reddit

L425[14:35:26] <packbart> you woke the giant Kraken that lay dormant under the KSC

L426[14:55:25] <hatrix> off to Hydrus https://i.imgur.com/lgA9fib.png

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L432[15:29:51] <hatrix> https://i.imgur.com/0ujZTBR.png

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L435[15:47:17] <transit> had to bail before from here due to memory issues

L436[15:47:33] <transit> forgot how ksp eats all the ram

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L439[15:59:26] * darsie got a computer with more ram.

L440[15:59:27] <darsie> gn

L441[15:59:34] <hatrix> night

L442[15:59:40] <darsie> 16 GB

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L444[16:00:11] <hatrix> is that enough?

L445[16:00:22] <darsie> Works for me with stock.

L446[16:00:55] <darsie> plus firefox, thunderbird, kvirc, etc.

L447[16:01:31] <hatrix> I build my new computer just for KSP, I did put more :p

L448[16:01:34] <hatrix> built*

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L450[16:26:01] <hatrix> 7300 science earned on this mission :)

L451[16:30:40] <raptop> did you dissasemble minmus?

L452[16:31:02] <hatrix> several flybys with a MPL

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L454[16:37:56] <raptop> ah

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L456[16:52:43] <packbart> more memory leads to more mods leads to more crashes

L457[16:53:57] <packbart> my KSP/Windows install crashes a lot more often than KSP/Linux. I use less mods and no visual mods like scatterer on the laptop GPU

L458[16:55:10] <packbart> the usual errors as reported on the forums. something about stack. and the occasional access violation in mono code

L459[17:01:25] <JVFoxy> my current PC is just so I could play KSP... still only thing on here mainly since v0.22

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L467[17:55:03] <JVFoxy> hmm.. seems I'm going off on all sorts of ideas now on what to do next. Got 3 in orbit around the Mun with a tiny station. Contract to explore mun surface but the ship isn't capable. Do I leave them there, send some more equipment over. Bring them back and build something crewed? (Val and Jeb out there right now, no other pilots at the moment)

L468[18:04:51] <transit> man, really not a fan of these bladed motors or he blades

L469[18:04:57] <transit> thaha.. a fan HAHA

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L478[19:22:59] <JVFoxy> Guess the blades don't quite cut it huh?

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