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L3[01:26:43] <hatrix> I should have brought bigger landing legs https://i.imgur.com/bIYs8d1.png
L4[01:28:14] <Althego> hehe
L5[01:28:16] <Althego> not really
L6[01:28:22] <Althego> just angle them outward
L7[01:28:34] <Althego> and use 4
L8[01:29:02] <hatrix> my graphics driver crashed while playing though, I tried again and it did the same :/
L9[01:29:02] <Althego> even on the lem they wanted to use 5 to have optimal suport area and mass, but they had to reduce the mass and finally settled with 4
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L11[01:33:38] <packbart> my (early, light) landers mostly use 3 legs, too. bring RCS ;)
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L15[01:37:40] <Althego> then you need to rotate to have a leg downhill for maximal stability
L16[01:42:21] <hatrix> I need to recompile the drivers first :|
L17[01:44:57] <Althego> what arcane ritual is that
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L19[01:49:30] <packbart> I still have the problem where I target a 20km orbit around the Mun - and it's 200+km when I arrive. https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/foo3d.mp4 (yaddayadda, MechJeb ;)
L20[01:49:47] <packbart> I thought that wouldn't happen if I start high enough in Kerbin's orbit
L21[01:50:07] <packbart> where exactly does the reference frame switch happen?
L22[01:51:33] <Althego> hehe i did not expect those side tanks to remain on
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L24[01:55:26] <packbart> yeah, I often use drop tanks on the lander stage. sometimes I put the landing legs on there, too
L25[02:00:36] <JVFoxy> packbart oof those portraits. How high is your resolution there?
L26[02:01:29] <packbart> 2560x1440
L27[02:02:24] <JVFoxy> must be pretty big screen then.. heh, I only run 1920x1080, then again, mid grade GPU
L28[02:03:01] <packbart> 27". it's just about not too large
L29[02:03:15] <JVFoxy> I see those landing leg pads never got fixed.. still flipped over the wrong way till touchdown
L30[02:03:35] <packbart> it's a feature ;)
L31[02:04:35] <JVFoxy> heh.. all them kerbals standing around. Ok someone light a fire, we camp'n here for the night
L32[02:04:36] <packbart> not sure if I'll keep that Kourageous Tourists mod. "EVA photo" contracts take a lot of clicking
L33[02:05:16] <packbart> I like this shot of the first tourist group: https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/kspt10b.jpg
L34[02:06:30] <JVFoxy> mechjeb best way to get a reading on surface slope angles? Be nice if there was something that could mark out locations with only so much slope. Sometimes its hard to tell unless you really down there and close.
L35[02:06:49] <packbart> I just target a "looks flat-ish" area by eye :)
L36[02:06:55] <JVFoxy> figures
L37[02:07:13] <JVFoxy> also, with those colors, why am I getting flashbacks to Lego space men?
L38[02:07:13] <hatrix> what do you use to record your screen? ssr, obs?
L39[02:07:19] <packbart> Kerbal Engineer has slope readouts, I think. I never used those
L40[02:07:30] <JVFoxy> it does but only directly under
L41[02:08:10] <packbart> yes, obs captures with the GPU in "h264 lossless" and ffmpeg encodes it at 5x speed
L42[02:08:35] <JVFoxy> if I was recording, I would be using OBS Studio.. I also have DaVinici Resolve for editing but only just used it once so far
L43[02:10:45] <JVFoxy> I tried it with AMD's capture software, felt like it wasn't running very smoothly
L44[02:13:07] <packbart> I used the Windows-integrated "Game bar" at first. it works but lacks options
L45[02:17:31] <JVFoxy> I might have to start using OBS on my laptop for the built in cameras. Seems the windows camera app keeps showing the view sideways
L46[02:18:12] <JVFoxy> used to be a setting you can set the rotation but that was removed during one of the updates, for the more 'automatic' motion sensor version
L47[02:19:03] <JVFoxy> got fed up with things, removed links to the app since the can't even remove the app itself....
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L50[03:38:24] <Althego> wait for it (watch upper left corner) https://twitter.com/police_HU/status/1269997814538473472
L51[03:38:24] <kmath> <police_HU> No comment... #rendőrség #dontdrinkanddrive https://t.co/y6U0No4hYO
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L54[03:40:45] <JVFoxy> weee
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L57[04:12:37] <JVFoxy> see how I do getting two ships sent to the Mun a few hours a part.....
L58[04:13:13] <Althego> i can do that few minutes apart
L59[04:13:18] <Althego> the problem is getting them back
L60[04:13:26] <JVFoxy> leaving station out there...
L61[04:13:29] <Althego> you need around 10 minutes for a reentry and landing
L62[04:13:48] <JVFoxy> reason a few hours is I got Jedmon in the rescue pod waiting in orbit. Going to pick them up on the way out with the other ship
L63[04:15:04] <JVFoxy> by the time Nest 2 is in position for Mun injection, Jedmon would already be directly over the center.
L64[04:19:23] <JVFoxy> ok now that the injection is done.5.5 hours
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L66[04:19:47] <JVFoxy> to wait for rescue pod to go around again, launch, pickup..
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L68[04:22:36] <Althego> 1.3.6.1.4.1.54321.1.1.5.5? :)
L69[04:23:06] <JVFoxy> and now... a 3 star contract for surface temps around KSC?
L70[04:23:20] <JVFoxy> Althego huh?
L71[04:23:36] <Althego> because of the .5.5
L72[04:24:03] <JVFoxy> 5.5 hours till gotta go back to Nest 2, make a mun capture burn
L73[04:24:06] <Althego> SNMP OIDs start like 1.3.6.1.4.1.huge_number.a.b.c.d
L74[04:24:07] <packbart> there's an OID for "done"?
L75[04:24:08] <Althego> etc
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L79[04:55:40] <hatrix> the new graphics drivers doesn't crash :)
L80[04:57:35] <packbart> ?
L81[04:57:45] <packbart> emojis look weird in terminal font
L82[04:58:10] <hatrix> it also messes up with my weechat
L83[04:58:22] <hatrix> https://i.imgur.com/ingZVCl.png
L84[04:58:50] <packbart> my font only has "party popper", not "partying face". ah, well, a smiley is still good enough for IRC :)
L85[04:59:24] <hatrix> sometimes I can't focus a planet by double clicking on it, is there a reason ?
L86[05:00:04] <packbart> I noticed that, too. In my case, there's usually some other craft in the way. and I'm never sure where to click on it. the center doesn't always work
L87[05:00:27] <hatrix> I'm using tab to change focus but there are too many planets in that mod
L88[05:02:58] <hatrix> the weather looks so nice from the ocean https://i.imgur.com/q7Q2VtW.png
L89[05:04:28] <packbart> put a deck chair on top and wait for the rescue fleet
L90[05:09:37] <JVFoxy> bleh... ok last time I tried docking, I barely went through 10pts rcs... how come this time around I went through nearly 50?
L91[05:10:52] <packbart> heavier craft?
L92[05:10:57] <JVFoxy> same one...
L93[05:11:20] <JVFoxy> ok granted, I did have to do a little more translation sideways...
L94[05:11:49] <packbart> 10 isn't much. I use more on average
L95[05:13:57] <JVFoxy> I can launch, get the two crafts to meet in less than half an orbit.. trick is trying to time the launch and knowing how fast you can get up to orbit
L96[05:15:44] <JVFoxy> anyways.. try again I guess. Though did wonder, my other craft is heading out to the Mun, will it actually get into mun SOI even though its not in focus?
L97[05:17:12] <hatrix> what do you mean by "10pts"?
L98[05:17:42] <JVFoxy> ah.. target it, shows that'll go into mun SOI
L99[05:17:44] <darsie> JVFoxy: Do you use reaction wheels?
L100[05:18:16] <JVFoxy> Ya.. I try to conserve RCS fuel using wheels..
L101[05:19:11] <JVFoxy> hatrix 10 points.. its just shorthand
L102[05:19:41] <darsie> I say '3.1 EVA fuel'.
L103[05:19:50] <hatrix> what do you mean by points?
L104[05:20:12] <darsie> Little black holes made of RCS fuel ;)
L105[05:20:27] <JVFoxy> amount of resource used.. shows up on the panel
L106[05:20:32] <darsie> units
L107[05:20:36] <hatrix> ah rcs fuel units?
L108[05:21:12] <JVFoxy> actually, was it ever defined.. like liters or gallons of something? We know weight per unit but..
L109[05:21:25] <darsie> 1 RCS fuel = 4 kg.
L110[05:21:56] <darsie> Should be more like 6 kg, as it has less Isp.
L111[05:22:08] <JVFoxy> ya I guess it was never said if it was a liquid, compressed gas (N2?)
L112[05:23:03] <darsie> I'd say NTO/UDMH.
L113[05:23:16] <JVFoxy> heh.. solid fuel...
L114[05:24:00] <darsie> Could work, if you have lots of them.
L115[05:24:05] <JVFoxy> think there was actually some sort of weapon system, it was a spinning body with little solid rockets on the base. Computer on board would time firings to help guid
L116[05:36:20] <hatrix> time to deorbit some stuff https://i.imgur.com/gfauRTz.png
L117[05:36:22] <JVFoxy> ok figured how I managed to save so much RCS. I cirularized my orbit as I was approaching the rescue pod
L118[05:37:15] <JVFoxy> the last time, I circularized a bit too early
L119[05:42:38] <JVFoxy> ah yup... docked, this time using only 6 rcs
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L122[05:46:41] <JVFoxy> ugff.. laptop lags a little, Webchat is, "nope, no lagging, be gone you!'
L123[05:47:39] <JVFoxy> any case... feeling a millimeter better... https://i.imgur.com/JL9Bvea.png
L124[05:55:48] <JVFoxy> pod booster ditched, deorbited.. 3minutes till mun ejection
L125[05:56:55] <JVFoxy> oh right.. guess jedmon will have to wait till after injection before I transfer him over
L126[05:58:01] <hatrix> cute station
L127[05:58:26] <JVFoxy> also whoops.. forgot Mk1-3 had RCS on it again.. no wonder was burn'n so much
L128[05:59:37] <hatrix> I just deorbited the old commnet relay network :)
L129[05:59:58] <JVFoxy> hatrix Lower is Flypod... what I rescued Jedmon in. Upper is Wagon. Once I get out to Mun orbit, Val going to take Flypod down closer, hit some crew reports
L130[06:00:59] <JVFoxy> I ditched the probe core, fuel+engine stack, (nav ball kind of hiding it) since I don't need it any more
L131[06:06:11] <JVFoxy> getting into some new stuff here... orbit paths so colorful than usual
L132[06:19:21] <JVFoxy> hatrix if you wanna know, this is my little mun station, Nest 2, https://imgur.com/a/m9WXl8x
L133[06:19:22] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/JfmEMCE.png
L134[06:20:10] <Althego> bit more spacious that nthe one with 5 seats
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L137[06:22:40] <JVFoxy> grr
L138[06:22:51] <Mat2ch> you don't get a more spacious station than external seats
L139[06:22:52] <JVFoxy> contract wants 5 kerbals, 2 of them pilots..
L140[06:23:05] <Mat2ch> In a station you are crammed into it. But in space you are freeeee ;)
L141[06:23:17] <Althego> but kerbals need to be close, hence less space between them
L142[06:23:50] <JVFoxy> oh right... guess I better bring Jedmon over to the command pod :P
L143[06:24:58] <JVFoxy> lol.. you preformed your first crew transfer near the Mun
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L145[06:36:16] <JVFoxy> oof, forgot how sensitive things can be while in Mun orbit
L146[06:36:17] <hatrix> little indeed JVFoxy :D
L147[06:37:53] <JVFoxy> hatrix considering I'm only first level VAB and second on launch pad...
L148[06:38:12] <hatrix> is that something you impose on yourself?
L149[06:38:22] <hatrix> the first things I do in career mode is upgrading those 2
L150[06:38:33] <JVFoxy> you could say that
L151[06:41:32] <JVFoxy> that jump from the first to second changes things so much. I guess I'd thought things would be a bit more... gradual?
L152[06:43:03] <packbart> there are mods for that ;) I upgrade VAB and pad early on, too, mostly. I rarely upgrade VAB and Tracking Station to lvl 3
L153[06:43:24] <hatrix> conics and maneuvers is what I want early on
L154[06:45:39] <JVFoxy> surprised haven't see more fun with astroids
L155[06:46:13] <JVFoxy> I remember early versions, runway was so bad unless upgraded, better off taking off/landing from the flats around the runway
L156[06:46:38] <packbart> I only update the Tracking Station to level 3 when I want asteroids
L157[06:46:40] <JVFoxy> but also runway sections didn't line up anyways, wheels would explode when the smacked
L158[06:46:56] <packbart> you really should forget *everything* you know about KSP and start with a fresh mind ;)
L159[06:49:42] <JVFoxy> each time a new version came out.. nearly
L160[07:00:41] <Rolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFD-L5i3Klk lovely
L161[07:02:17] <Althego> all fake cgi :)
L162[07:02:40] <JVFoxy> welp.. got station contract done
L163[07:02:41] <JVFoxy> https://imgur.com/a/cXWGOwq
L164[07:02:42] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/jicCR0Q.png
L165[07:02:55] <Althego> nice statin
L166[07:02:55] <Rolf> sure "fake" "cgi"
L167[07:03:35] <JVFoxy> now to take Val down to 60km orbit, take reports in Flypod
L168[07:03:48] <Althego> oh btw, somebody should have made a video of the crew dragon launch where the faces of the two astronauts are shown in the lower right corner during launch :)
L169[07:03:57] <packbart> :)
L170[07:04:40] <Rolf> lol
L171[07:04:53] <JVFoxy> I still remember when someone did the Falcon launch, Jeb in the bottom corner. A moment of frown when one engine explodes, then back to normal
L172[07:05:25] <Rolf> i had one launch go so bad jeb wasnt cheering as usual but still smiling
L173[07:05:33] <packbart> Doug certainly has the BadS flag
L174[07:05:37] <Rolf> its quite hard to make jeb not happy
L175[07:08:26] <Althego> Rolf: not so long ago i started to watch some hardware unboxed videos. and the viewers make jooking comments about the autogenerated closed captions. one guy always says after the music intro: welcome back to hardware unboxed. it never gets it right. harbor on box, too hard wrong box, hard rock's
L176[07:08:52] <Rolf> lol
L177[07:13:42] <JVFoxy> oof ok can't find that clip of jeb superimposed on a real life rocket launch that had a slight 'burp' with one engine
L178[07:14:07] <Althego> the best is still scott manly lands falcon 9
L179[07:14:37] <JVFoxy> geh... don't trust auto captions
L180[07:15:35] <Althego> maybe in 10 years
L181[07:17:15] <JVFoxy> auto translators... 50 years
L182[07:17:41] <JVFoxy> also time to send Val down closer to Mun
L183[07:17:59] <Althego> actually in the hardware unboxed case it is pretty simple if you know that it is a greeting and what the channel's name. but probably it only checks the audio
L184[07:18:13] <JVFoxy> just realized something... Station is called Nest, Crew ship is Wagon... Station+Wagon.. umm...
L185[07:18:19] <Althego> hehe
L186[07:18:59] <JVFoxy> My first car was an Aries stationwagon.. miss that thing
L187[07:19:33] <Althego> already sounds like a spaceship name
L188[07:20:00] <JVFoxy> Was blue... I'm sure Benny would have loved it, if it had rockets on the back
L189[07:20:19] <JVFoxy> ok not quite the same shade of blue as Benny (Lego) but..
L190[07:20:41] <Althego> who is benny
L191[07:21:14] <Althego> hehe a very happy blue lego astronaut
L192[07:21:31] <Althego> an all too familiar logo on the chest
L193[07:21:41] <JVFoxy> eh ya... mr. high on sugar and spaceships Benny
L194[07:24:59] <packbart> oh my, with a robotic arm. https://brickipedia.fandom.com/wiki/Benny_(The_LEGO_Movie)
L195[07:25:34] <packbart> (the description of "a huge, open mouthed smile" doesn't quite fit the photo)
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L197[07:29:03] <JVFoxy> huh.. stareliner spacesuits look'n a bit like the blue lego guy
L198[07:29:31] <Althego> hehe
L199[07:30:15] <Althego> the spacex one looks great
L200[07:30:31] <Althego> that blue one is just like something from the 70s
L201[07:30:36] <packbart> SpaceX suits look a bit like Teletubbies
L202[07:30:47] <Althego> bit strange duringwalking
L203[07:30:51] <Althego> they are shaped for sitting
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L205[07:31:25] <Althego> the starliner suit cable is highly visible
L206[07:31:39] <Althego> how long is the cable for the dragn suit?
L207[07:31:58] <packbart> how high is the sound stage? ;)
L208[07:32:06] <Althego> sky high
L209[07:33:09] <JVFoxy> starliner sit also got a soft helmet? Kind of reminds me of the suits used for the two week duration gemini mission
L210[07:33:44] <JVFoxy> Althego not too high, no one can hear you scream in space
L211[07:34:41] <JVFoxy> gah.. saw pic of spacesuits compared ot teletubbies, someone pass me the acid for my eyes
L212[07:34:55] <Althego> hehe
L213[07:34:57] <Althego> brain bleach
L214[07:38:18] <JVFoxy> with boeing and spacex doing things differently. I gotta wonder, if something happens and one has to help/support the other in some way...
L215[07:38:47] <JVFoxy> the most common thing I could see so far is the international docking port
L216[07:42:18] <Althego> i want a growing helmet like in the now two decades old lost in space movie
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L231[10:29:02] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9c1XWGHZDM
L232[10:29:03] <kmath> YouTube - SpaceX Starship & Starlink Update with Elon Musk & Gwynne Shotwell
L233[10:31:26] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msd-dIHXKVw
L234[10:31:27] <kmath> YouTube - Starship SN7 Tank Rollout
L235[10:31:39] <Althego> transform and rollout :)
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L237[10:35:11] <Althego> i might watch this stream, there is a steel cylinder in it
L238[10:36:18] <Mat2ch> I'm happy for them that they finally can test again
L239[10:36:36] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUF-OfqZ3hFCxnnKJ-lG1yg/videos
L240[10:36:40] <Althego> i like this channel
L241[10:36:43] <Mat2ch> But wait, aren't we waiting for SN5 tests?
L242[10:36:49] <Althego> no
L243[10:36:57] <Althego> probably the stand is not even finished yet
L244[10:37:05] <darsie> After an initial kick with a decoupler this construction wiggles wildly and travelled >1 km: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot351.png http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot354.png
L245[10:37:22] <Althego> lol
L246[10:37:28] <Althego> a danny moment
L247[10:37:30] <Mat2ch> well, it looked gooded in Marys/NSFs video
L248[10:37:37] <Althego> danny would turn this into a planet destroyer
L249[10:37:42] <Althego> somehow
L250[10:37:47] <Mat2ch> *good
L251[10:38:10] <Mat2ch> but maybe they want to test the new steel first, before they go on and build more rings out of it
L252[10:38:58] <Althego> i guess even if there is a test it is going to be the usual, first normal pressure test, then cryogenic, then the turbopump test, then the static fire, and only then flight
L253[10:39:43] <Mat2ch> the real question is: How fast can they test all this nowadays?
L254[10:40:06] <Althego> because of human malware, or political situation?
L255[10:40:13] <packbart> why is there a police car in the street when any truck just drives around it
L256[10:40:19] <Althego> hehe
L257[10:40:22] <Mat2ch> you could do all four tests in a day, but they'll probably make two days out of it
L258[10:40:44] <Althego> guessthey want to close the road for any rocket part, because it might explode, as in ksp :)
L259[10:40:45] <Mat2ch> Althego: human malware?
L260[10:40:53] <Althego> the beer infection
L261[10:41:05] <Althego> voldemort
L262[10:41:09] <Mat2ch> I'm confused
L263[10:41:13] <Althego> the coof
L264[10:41:25] <Althego> the kung flu
L265[10:41:36] <Althego> coronavirus as normal people now it
L266[10:42:17] <Mat2ch> Yes, but what was it the answer to?
L267[10:42:41] <Althego> it was a question to a question. why cant they test fast? what changed?
L268[10:43:03] <Mat2ch> Uh, reread my question :)
L269[10:43:09] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nr68HypgvY better quality, but talking
L270[10:43:20] <Althego> yes thought so
L271[10:43:31] <Althego> these are the two channels to go to for boca chica
L272[10:43:49] <Althego> but usually they have cameras in 90 degress from each other
L273[10:44:01] <Althego> thus we had explosion from two angles
L274[10:44:27] <Althego> i also like this channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvUf_yOU_swE6PtOuv2yBqg/videos
L275[10:44:45] <Althego> i watch two of those guys semi regularly
L276[10:45:59] <Mat2ch> I see movement!
L277[10:46:16] <Althego> i see dead people
L278[10:46:53] <Althego> the greatest problem with live streams is that you cant listen to them on 2x speed
L279[10:47:08] <Mat2ch> watch the replay :P
L280[10:47:17] <Althego> i do that for flat earth streams
L281[10:47:42] <packbart> yeah, realtime streams are so slooow ;)
L282[10:48:03] <Althego> aint nobody got time for that
L283[10:49:05] <Althego> modem setup
L284[10:49:10] <Althego> soon they are going to be on starlink :)
L285[10:51:17] <Althego> not an apple fan video. one of those guys i cant really listen to in 2x. sometimes have to go down to 1.75x. talks too fast. and in the not so good old days there was no 1.75x speed, just 1.5 and 2
L286[10:53:47] <packbart> I see a special transport mod for the truck simulator coming up ;)
L287[10:54:10] <packbart> "deliver Starship to launch pad"
L288[10:54:52] <Althego> with this the road closing is obvious, it is simply too large for normal roads
L289[10:55:06] <Althego> what was it, 9 m diameter?
L290[10:55:36] <Mat2ch> jep
L291[10:58:13] <packbart> what's that truck below hopper? it has some weird piping on top
L292[10:58:38] <Mat2ch> from the area alone this is bigger than my appartment...
L293[10:59:06] <Mat2ch> packbart: probably one to pump concrete around
L294[10:59:16] <Althego> maybe one of those cpncrete pumping things?
L295[10:59:25] <Althego> but why would they need that
L296[10:59:25] <packbart> ah, right. makes sense. thx
L297[10:59:34] <Althego> but i am just guessing
L298[10:59:36] <packbart> foundation for the test stand?
L299[10:59:52] <packbart> yeah, there were concrete trucks driving around and the chute thing at the front looked like it
L300[11:00:32] <Althego> maybe it is hoing to move now
L301[11:01:44] <packbart> ah, ok. that's no chute
L302[11:01:56] <Althego> that's no moon
L303[11:02:06] <Althego> yes it is writtn on it
L304[11:02:11] <Althego> concrete pumpnig
L305[11:02:15] <Althego> with nimber too
L306[11:02:20] <Althego> you can call them to pump for you
L307[11:02:47] <Mat2ch> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_pump
L308[11:03:14] <Althego> usually i would expect those pump if you need to get it on top of a building
L309[11:03:46] <Althego> but they are full of tents and one story buildings
L310[11:03:49] <Althego> storey
L311[11:04:12] <packbart> I see them being used to pump concrete from the truck in the street down and ancross to the construction site
L312[11:04:13] <Mat2ch> you also need one if you're planning to make a huge base plate
L313[11:04:30] <Mat2ch> and you want to do it in one go
L314[11:05:56] <Althego> ah that might be the reason, that you want a single plate
L315[11:09:16] <Mat2ch> You can make a single plate with several loads, but it takes longer and might not be as stable
L316[11:10:42] <Althego> i was not akive during the moon landings, but this era might be more interesting after all. if elon can get a spaceship to mars with people
L317[11:12:26] <Althego> hehe a corgan in the chat. corgan was one of the characters in septerra core
L318[11:12:37] <Mat2ch> I'm still not a fan of this.
L319[11:12:58] <Althego> not a fan of *this :)
L320[11:13:09] <Mat2ch> If we go to Mars, the best would be a fly-by, just to see how humans behave on such a long trip
L321[11:13:19] <Althego> for a first try? maybe
L322[11:13:25] <Althego> but it is half a year to get there
L323[11:13:30] <Mat2ch> but the trip is already so long you want to go down when you're already there
L324[11:13:34] <Althego> so if you are that close...
L325[11:13:58] <Mat2ch> so either there's lots and lots of equipment already there and maybe two backup ships or this could end in a huge desaster
L326[11:14:46] <Althego> not a fan of *this, but i dont like self either. what i hate most is "the". you need a special kind of evil to call the object the
L327[11:15:38] <packbart> this should be implicit
L328[11:17:06] <packbart> is "that's why $they are sending only 100 humans first and not the whole colony" too cynical?
L329[11:17:55] <packbart> it is some arbitrary number. it could be lower, I agree
L330[11:18:25] <Althego> they send 100 humans. they never stated what base it is in :)
L331[11:18:59] <Althego> solid segments you have there
L332[11:19:14] <packbart> "do not hump" - wat
L333[11:19:27] <packbart> fanboys stay away!
L334[11:19:28] <Althego> in trains
L335[11:19:38] <Althego> there is a thing called the hump
L336[11:19:47] <Althego> when they organize the trains
L337[11:19:55] <Althego> and there is a work position called the humpmaster
L338[11:20:34] <Althego> so probably it means you cant use the hump for this
L339[11:20:41] <packbart> yeah, I know. even visited a large switch yard once in school
L340[11:21:14] <packbart> modern passenger cars don't like it, either
L341[11:21:26] <Althego> i think it was an interesting solution
L342[11:21:38] <Althego> just moving the cars by gravity into place
L343[11:22:33] <Althego> they got 2 streams for the price of 1
L344[11:22:54] <packbart> probably this one: https://i.redd.it/rq3w86afq10z.jpg
L345[11:23:08] <Althego> huge
L346[11:23:16] <packbart> ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maschen_Marshalling_Yard )
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L348[11:24:07] <Althego> it is big, second biggest in the world according to wiki
L349[11:24:54] <Althego> so how do they move these solids?
L350[11:25:10] <Althego> are these blocks already filled with fuel? or are they assembled and only fileld later?
L351[11:26:02] <Althego> also how does the nozzle steering work on the solid boosters? the fuel cant power them, or can it?
L352[11:29:28] <Althego> so it had separate hydraulics power them through an apu
L353[11:30:02] <Althego> the shuttle sure liekd to use hydrazine
L354[11:30:57] <packbart> just slap a 1kEC battery in the stack. it's not going to need electricity for long
L355[11:31:33] <packbart> loading dock isn't open, yet. typical!
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L358[12:39:30] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk8Ay3QmF6s
L359[12:39:31] <kmath> YouTube - Amazing Camera Views From Inside SpaceX Rocket Fairings
L360[12:39:33] <Althego> scott
L361[12:39:39] <Althego> yest hat video is several days old
L362[12:39:56] <Althego> i never linked it because i thought everybody already saw it
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L375[15:04:27] <raptop> Hrm, Hitman Absolution is free on GoG
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L377[15:07:00] <raptop> Which is I think considered one of the bad ones?
L378[15:07:29] <raptop> Anyway, KSP is also 75% off
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L384[15:27:08] <hatrix> and the dlcs raptop ?
L385[15:27:52] <raptop> Looks like 33% off breaking ground and 25% off of making history
L386[15:28:01] <raptop> https://www.gog.com/game/kerbal_space_program
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L404[17:25:17] * darsie expanded his Mun station with 5 seats again. This time with a rover. Docks and undocks much easier. http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot356.png
L405[17:28:16] <raptop> Ooh, the mun station has some pressurized volume. Luxurious!
L406[17:28:54] <darsie> Yeah :)
L407[17:29:28] <darsie> They asked for it, so they got it :).
L408[17:31:17] <darsie> In the back you can also see the explorer I added wiht sensors and a Dawn ... since they asked for 1000 xenon.
L409[17:34:05] <raptop> Seems sort of silly on the munar surface, but if they want it...
L410[17:34:33] <darsie> Why?
L411[17:34:45] <darsie> Can refuel the explorer.
L412[17:41:58] <raptop> I guess you can have an ion powered flitter, but I wanted to say that it's marginal in munar gravity
L413[17:50:54] <darsie> raptop: Marginal? You mean weak? Yeah, kinda, but it get's down and back to orbit, so I can get anywhere and back.
L414[17:50:57] <darsie> gn
L415[17:53:21] <raptop> yeah, that. 'night
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L438[20:32:49] <JVFoxy> so was wondering, what mod can tell you the delta V of RCS on a craft?
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L440[20:34:09] <JVFoxy> lol.. contract to land on the mun even though I've yet to bring back the 3 that are still over there
L441[20:34:58] * JVFoxy ponders building a lander with a core and just throwing it to them over there
L442[20:35:10] <Althego> where is the stream
L443[20:36:04] <JVFoxy> stream... someone launching again?
L444[20:36:08] <Althego> electron
L445[20:36:22] <Althego> after that another starlink
L446[20:36:27] <raptop> Electron... stream... is this a CRT?
L447[20:36:43] <JVFoxy> don't know but sure feeling the energy with all these launches lately
L448[20:37:12] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRfm6RGVHf8
L449[20:37:13] <kmath> YouTube - Rocket Lab - Don't Stop Me Now Launch
L450[20:37:41] <JVFoxy> ah ya.. Scott mentioned they were going to hitch a ride with Starlink
L451[20:37:43] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8riKQXChPGg
L452[20:37:43] <kmath> YouTube - Starlink Mission
L453[20:38:30] <Althego> hello wonderful person - said anton
L454[20:41:38] <raptop> Kerbal Space Program official channel | versions: KSP1 1.9.1 KSP2 NaN | Rules: tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | Type "chanlog" for logs | Electron launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRfm6RGVHf8 Starlink launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8riKQXChPGg
L455[20:41:39] <Mod9000> I keep channel logs here: bitcoinshell.mooo.com/users/deddly/?C=M;O=D
L456[20:42:02] <Althego> hehe it replied to the topic change
L457[20:42:09] *** raptop changes topic to Kerbal Space Program official channel | versions: KSP1 1.9.1 KSP2 NaN | Rules: tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | Type "chanlog" for logs | Sale on GOG | Electron launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRfm6RGVHf8 Starlink launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8riKQXChPGg
L458[20:42:21] <Althego> oh wait it wasnt topic, it was just text
L459[20:42:34] <raptop> Yeah, I messed up while copying the links
L460[20:43:36] * JVFoxy falls over
L461[20:43:42] <JVFoxy> oh hellos..
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L463[20:44:36] <JVFoxy> so.. why two dv maps?
L464[20:44:41] * raptop picks JVFoxy up
L465[20:44:59] <Althego> because they re different
L466[20:45:34] <raptop> yeah, though I think they're less different than they used to be?
L467[20:45:42] <Althego> hehe
L468[20:45:48] <JVFoxy> ones got a walrus.. other kracken..
L469[20:46:10] <JVFoxy> ah well
L470[20:46:31] <raptop> Entirely different sea monsters
L471[20:46:32] <JVFoxy> trying to decide on 1 or two person lander can.. come poke back here, wall of.. 'stuff'
L472[20:46:55] <Althego> 2 1 person, i think that wa lighter
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L474[20:47:20] <raptop> Kerbals are pacifist orks, so a lone one in a lander can can explore the system
L475[20:47:29] <JVFoxy> walrus.. think Mr Hyneman plays KSP?
L476[20:47:50] <raptop> I wouldn't be surprised if he's tried it at some point
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L478[20:48:58] <Althego> jamie does not want to be in the spotlight, so who knows what he does
L479[20:49:05] <JVFoxy> special effects vs pc gaming? Eh....
L480[20:50:02] <Althego> on the other hand adam is still very much active on youtube
L481[20:51:19] <raptop> Anyway, speaking of starlink https://cybre.space/@cinebox/104334469743066928
L482[20:52:03] <Althego> hehe
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L484[21:05:18] <JVFoxy> Ya, I used to follow his channel(s)...
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L488[21:28:04] <Althego> timer jumped up, not a good sign
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L491[21:41:45] <Althego> waiting for rocket lab...
L492[21:53:49] <Althego> i am listening to freddy isntead :)
L493[21:54:09] <Althego> freddie
L494[22:02:23] <Althego> oh lol https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaP82XsXgAI1MmQ?format=jpg&name=medium
L495[22:03:07] <Althego> at least the stream started now
L496[22:04:05] <raptop> hah
L497[22:07:40] <Althego> hmm, magnetometer voonm
L498[22:07:42] <Althego> boom
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L500[22:07:50] <Althego> it extends
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L502[22:09:22] <Althego> jool is going to be pretty
L503[22:09:31] <Althego> in 1.10
L504[22:12:12] <Althego> https://twitter.com/KerbalSpaceP/status/1269995770536775683/photo/1
L505[22:12:12] <kmath> <✔KerbalSpaceP> Kerbonauts around the world with amazing skills! ⏎ Thank you so much Nerdystuffed for sharing this amazing handmade J… https://t.co/OdgFGc1aUf
L506[22:12:28] <Althego> with sparable helmet
L507[22:12:43] <Althego> 20 sec
L508[22:14:49] <Althego> lights are too bright in this stream, cant see anything
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L510[22:23:38] <Althego> this went really smoothly
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L515[23:31:08] <JVFoxy> lol... official kerbal plush.. mmmm
L516[23:33:54] <JVFoxy> Also Shadowzone talks about KSP be a pacifist type game... cough-rocketmissiles-cough..
L517[23:35:15] <Althego> kerbals are more suiciadal than violent
L518[23:42:37] <JVFoxy> maybe just don't know better?
L519[23:42:47] <JVFoxy> they whatever you want to make them to be
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