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L1[00:01:11] <Deddly> Wow, only 13:30 hours
to launch
L3[00:02:51] <Deddly> Hoomans space
program
L4[00:03:55] <kubi> Muad'Dib
L5[00:04:19] <Althego> why?
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L7[00:05:21] <Deddly> KSP should have
sandworms on Duna
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L9[00:12:07] <kubi> and has water
recycling
L10[00:35:32] <Deddly> And, of course,
spice mixed with the surface samples
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L33[03:03:26] <hatrix> anyone managed to
install BeyondHome?
L35[03:03:50] <hatrix> when I launch KSP it
tells me the folder is not in the right place, and it can't detect
kopernicus/module manager
L36[03:04:02] <hatrix> but I still got
things loaded in KSP
L37[03:10:55] <hatrix> the KSC is on Rhode
so I guess it's working
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L40[03:17:08] <flayer> i don't
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L64[07:22:54] <darsie> My model aircraft
crashed today due to wind and was damaged.
L65[07:25:07] <umaxtu> that sucks
L66[07:30:36] <darsie> I may have been
leeward of a building.
L67[07:30:44] <darsie> I lack
experience.
L68[07:31:05] <darsie> I think it can be
repaired.
L69[07:36:30] <packbart> wer have the
technology!
L70[07:39:22] <darsie> I need to see which
glue I can use.
L71[07:41:04] <Mat2ch> What type of plane
is it? EPP?
L72[07:55:54] <kubi> hatrix: what are those
changelog and readme belong to?
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L74[08:08:09] <hatrix> BeyondHome
kubi
L76[08:08:24] <kmath> YouTube - LIVE only 3
miles away from SpaceX and NASA launching humans to space for the
first time!
L77[08:10:29] <Mat2ch> Oh, wow, they're
going to sit already 3 hours in the spacecraft before launch?
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L79[08:10:37] <Mat2ch> Also in 45 minutes
we know if they're going to launch or not
L80[08:16:22] <FLHerne> Well, no
L81[08:16:44] <FLHerne> We'll know if
they're going to bother *trying* to launch
L82[08:20:37] <flayer> 45 minutes eh?
L83[08:21:14] <Althego> supposedly that go
or no-go is coming from spacex
L84[08:21:45] <Althego> although this is a
nasa-spacex common operation, more so than the others
L85[08:22:26] <Althego> is that music
coming from tim?
L86[08:22:34] <Althego> does he have the
rights for that?
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L88[08:28:03] <packbart> probably,
"available everwhere"
L89[08:28:07] <packbart> +y
L90[08:28:23] <packbart> (top of the
screen)
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L98[09:17:34] <TonyC> hello everyone
L99[09:17:42] <TonyC> how are you all
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L101[09:19:11] <flayer> a nervous wreck,
as per usual
L102[09:19:19] <flayer> how are you
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L104[09:23:33] <TonyC> doing well
thanks
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L106[09:37:49] <Deddly> Woo. Less than 4
hours to go
L108[09:39:23] <darsie> That's not me,
btw.
L109[09:49:20] <Mat2ch> darsie: UHU
Por
L110[09:49:38] <darsie> Mat2ch: Doesn't
say if it's EPP or EPO. Manual asks for Sekundenkleber robbe Speed
Typ 2 und zugehoerigen Aktivator.
L111[09:49:55] <Mat2ch> You can fix it
with superglue, but UHU Por gives you a flexibel glue joint
L112[09:50:02] <darsie> thx
L113[09:52:12] <Mat2ch> And if you have
any questions about it, Fluburtur got my stash a few years ago
;)
L115[09:55:45] <kmath>
<✔JimBridenstine> We are go for launch! @SpaceX and @NASA
will continue monitoring liftoff and downrange weather as we step
into the…
https://t.co/FusYlff055
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L117[10:02:33] <hatrix> KSP just crashed
my GPU
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L121[10:13:53] <Mat2ch> ah, the fancy
[drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring gfx_0.0.0
timeout
L122[10:14:00] <Mat2ch> hatrix: what
kernel version?
L123[10:14:41] <packbart> I don't fancy
the look of those space suits
L124[10:14:53] <hatrix> 5.6.14
L125[10:15:10] <Althego> quite new
L126[10:15:10] <hatrix> could be some
overheating issue, I'll check later
L127[10:22:08] <Mat2ch> packbart: #201957
should be fixed with 5.5. But there may other bugs appear which do
similar things
L128[10:22:36] <Mat2ch> I debugged that
one. And it was harsh and I didn't come to a conclusion. I guess
some fencing was missing or so
L129[10:22:51] <Mat2ch> but it was gone
with 5.5
L130[10:23:06] <Mat2ch> but recently I see
a few new ones pop up, so it might be back
L131[10:23:21] <Mat2ch> Breaking gpu
drivers is easy apparently.
L132[10:23:27] <packbart> ah, ok. great. I
just read the "I still see them on 5.6.13" in the last
comment and concluded that it would still be an open issue
L133[10:24:27] <Mat2ch> well, the real
issue caused the whole gpu to freeze and then the kernel shortly
after.
L134[10:24:29] <packbart> I have seen GPU
bus exceptions with the nvidia 1030 in this computer, too. kills
compiz but is recoverable
L135[10:24:55] <Mat2ch> So if you get a
good kernel log message it has to be something different ;)
L136[10:25:33] <Mat2ch> also reporting amd
gpu driver bugs at bugzilla.kernel.org is the wrong place. The devs
are only looking at the freedesktop.org bugtracker ;)
L137[10:26:56] <Mat2ch> no, wrong again,
it's in the gitlab tracker now...
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L139[10:27:02] <Mat2ch> *their
L140[10:27:12] <packbart> and Windows
already threw a "WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR" on me once, on
my shiny new gaming toy. so it's not just Linux, anyway
L141[10:28:03] <Althego> hehe
L142[10:34:31] <Mat2ch> Drivers are hard,
especially with todays gpus. They're very complex things and you
can run into a race-condition at any time...
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L147[10:54:06] <Althego> just as tim says
those clouds really dont look good
L148[10:55:42] <Althego> hehe you were
talking about drivers, just got a notification for a new
driver
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L152[11:04:06] <Althego> so much space
inside that capsule
L153[11:14:22] <Mat2ch> yes, they can keep
1.5 m distance, if they want to :D
L154[11:14:51] <Althego> lol
L155[11:14:54] <Mat2ch> Also, Wintergatan.
When will we get an update on the machine? I have no idea...
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L157[11:19:20] <Althego> why is he doing
that
L158[11:19:45] <Althego> random
stuff
L159[11:21:14] <sandbox_> why does anyone
do anything?
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L162[11:26:45] <JVFoxy> Zoom...
L163[11:26:51] <JVFoxy> soon
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L169[11:37:48] <Althego> too pointy
L170[11:38:35] <darsie> I could use a
fairing.
L171[11:39:37] <JVFoxy> certainly a
departure from how things were in the past with shuttle and other
stuff. Guess Soyuz only thing still old-school.. somewhat
L172[11:40:02] <Althego> upgraded 2om... 2
years ago?
L173[11:40:14] <Althego> so somewhat
oldschool
L174[11:41:29] <JVFoxy> they did get lcd
screens.. mind you glass cockpits been a thing for a while, mostly
in airplanes
L175[11:41:40] <Althego> no, 4 yras
ago
L176[11:41:57] <JVFoxy> touchscreens
though... eh, hope those things stay 100% reliable
L177[11:42:08] <Althego> there are buttons
for emergency use
L178[11:42:17] <Althego> but probably only
for a dweq fuynctions
L179[11:42:36] <Althego> few
L181[11:43:27] <Althego> i would use the
bigger docking port and the round nosecone thing
L182[11:43:33] <Althego> but somewhat
better
L183[11:43:53] <darsie> I think I only
have junior an pico ports on my space station.
L184[11:44:23] <JVFoxy> glasscockpits
became a standard thing in commercial airlines from 2002.. not sure
they use touchscreens.. other than in some private aircraft
L185[11:44:38] <Althego> normally those
are not touchscreens
L186[11:44:48] <Althego> there are side
buttons on the mfdsa
L187[11:44:50] <Althego> mfds
L188[11:45:28] <JVFoxy> yup
L189[11:45:30] <Althego> but those are not
reallt imput devices,m you can select some views, so there is no
reason
L190[11:46:07] <Althego> and the cdu/fms
has complete keyboard and menus, so no need for touchscreens there
either
L191[11:46:10] <JVFoxy> side buttons
actually does things, most data input is done by control panel down
on the center console...
L192[11:46:38] <JVFoxy> noticing on
dragon, buttons on the arm rests?
L193[11:46:57] <packbart> for the
in-flight entertainment system
L194[11:47:14] <Althego> hehe
L195[11:47:17] <Althego> no need for
that
L196[11:47:20] <Althego> just look out the
window :)
L197[11:47:49] <Althego> even astronauts
never get bored watching earth
L198[11:48:12] <packbart> .oO( "Range
No-Go")
L199[11:48:18] <Althego> thereis
rain
L200[11:48:30] <JVFoxy> ugh.. road trip
with friend, he kept saying, 'may as well get some rest, it'll be a
boring drive'. Road trip? Boring? Never!
L201[11:48:42] <Althego> but there is like
1.5 hours remaining. (is that even a plural? net even 2)
L202[11:49:02] <JVFoxy> more than 1
hour... its good
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L205[11:50:08] <JVFoxy> as for docking
port on nose tip in KSP... I usually stuck docking port off side,
then centered it so top node still free for parachute. Then just
stuck port above chute.. but thats just me
L206[11:51:55] <Althego> i just hide the
parachute under the docking port or inside the capsule
L207[11:52:09] <Althego> now there is a
part that can house such things, but doesnt look good
L208[11:52:14] <Althego> a conical service
bauy thing
L209[11:52:16] <packbart> with the Mk1-3,
I stick a 0.625m-decoupler and fairing on top, parachutes to the
sides
L210[11:53:36] <JVFoxy> lol... I do
fairing and nose con cap on the port itself.. blow fairing,
de-couple once in space..
L211[11:53:42] <JVFoxy> *cone
L212[11:54:08] <Althego> yes, you can use
the docking port as a decoupler
L213[11:54:17] <Althego> ut was not always
so
L214[11:54:45] <packbart> yeah, but then I
have to click on it to un-stage it. I use both methods, depending
on mun phase
L216[11:55:04] <Althego> lot nicer
L217[11:55:08] <Althego> dragony
L218[11:55:19] <darsie> I put the nosecone
on the junior port and lowered it.
L219[11:55:23] <Althego> although the
capsule is made in the looks of apollo
L220[11:55:29] <JVFoxy> you can set the
docking port to be staged. Then remove the staging feature later
while on flight
L221[11:56:43] <packbart> yeah, but a
decoupler is small and I don't have to right-click on the docking
port later. it's a matter of laziness, I guess ;)
L222[11:56:54] <JVFoxy> hoping in next
little bit, I can finally get the DLC, have a little fun with the
Gemini styled stuff
L223[11:56:59] <packbart> also, it gives
an offset to build the fairing
L224[11:57:12] <Althego> righy liock the
focking port? why?
L225[11:57:29] <Althego> (there is some
food between the keyboard and me)
L226[11:57:32] <packbart> so it would
disappear from the stage bar on the left
L227[11:57:41] <Althego> i dont care about
that :)
L228[11:58:37] <JVFoxy> you can either
stage it manually using the part GUI in flight.. or set it to stage
at any point, then turn the staging off after. Just matter of
preferences
L229[11:58:38] <packbart> and putting a
1.25m directly on a part of the same size doesn't quite work for
me, draping the fairing over the part
L230[11:58:58] <packbart> so I use a small
decoupler as spacer, too. ymmv, as always
L231[11:59:35] <JVFoxy> when I use
fairings, I like to ditch the part that creates it whenever
possible after I blow them off.
L232[12:00:14] <JVFoxy> there'd been times
I use those procedural fairings as longer nose cones and wanted to
keep them the whole flight
L233[12:03:09] <Althego> i use them for
airplane nosecones
L234[12:03:15] <Althego> and hide the
electronics inside them
L235[12:03:30] <Althego> battery, antenna,
probe core, even a small amount of fuel and duel cell
L236[12:05:00] <JVFoxy> drone airplane?
Heh.. I normally just went battery only if that
L237[12:05:25] <Althego> no, not really,
usually there is cockpit too
L238[12:05:41] <AmbulatoryCortex> I like
to make capsule-shaped tanks and create my own interstages with the
procedural interstage.
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L240[12:08:28] <JVFoxy> rockomax tank,
terrier engine... don't let it shroud, use fairing to close the
gap..
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L244[12:18:55] <transit> Why does AF1 need
to fly by a private venture test launch?
L245[12:19:49] <JVFoxy> Shatner!
L246[12:19:54] <Althego> yes is saw
that
L247[12:20:01] <JVFoxy> .. his voice
though.. oof
L248[12:20:10] <Althego> i dont get
transit's sentence
L249[12:20:22] <transit> He’s a tad
bloated. Like windows ME.
L250[12:20:29] <JVFoxy> lol..comments
about Bill
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L252[12:21:01] <AmbulatoryCortex> Transit,
Trump is present to watch the launch.
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L254[12:21:16] <Mat2ch> 570k viewser on
the SpaceX stream alone. And the launch isn't even near
L255[12:21:22] <AmbulatoryCortex> lol,
booted him right out of the channel
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L257[12:21:47] <JVFoxy> ya saw the plane..
at first I thought he was going to loiter in the air till the
launch.. lol, oops
L258[12:21:52] <Mat2ch> NASA has
730k
L259[12:22:02] <Mat2ch> so more than one
mio people are watching
L260[12:22:04] <Mat2ch> that's huge
L261[12:22:12] <JVFoxy> ya.. nasa chat
just going completely nuts
L262[12:22:27] <Althego> hehe i just
though of a president ansible module. name: trump state:
present
L263[12:22:31] <JVFoxy> scrolling by so
fast
L264[12:23:15] <Althego> yes, i like the
worm logo better too
L265[12:23:24] <Althego> even though i
dislike the name for both
L266[12:24:29] <JVFoxy> oh that worm
logo.. what was the other again?
L267[12:24:35] <Althego> meatball
L268[12:24:57] <Althego> one of the
coolest organizations on earth having the klamest logo names
ever
L269[12:24:59] <JVFoxy> ... and why is it
called the 'meatball'?
L270[12:25:13] <Althego> how should i
know
L271[12:25:13] <Mat2ch> because it looks
like a meatball
L272[12:25:14] <raptop> Worm is more
aesthetic, meatball has more meaning
L273[12:25:31] <Althego> ok, make the
wormball than :)
L274[12:25:38] <Althego> who would want to
eat that, bleh
L276[12:25:53] <JVFoxy> lol... someone did
meatball with worm letters as logo
L278[12:26:47] <raptop> The meatball has a
starfield, a stylized orbiting spacecraft, and the swoosh is based
on a hypersonic airfoil
L279[12:27:10] <raptop> (Yes, a swoosh.
Same name as that one used by a shoe company)
L281[12:28:33] <darsie> Aerodynamics were
suboptimal, but I made it.
L282[12:29:37] <Althego> maybe the sky is
getting better
L283[12:30:35] <JVFoxy> Guess I prefer the
worm logo more.. its simple..
L284[12:31:25] <raptop> Fair
L285[12:32:21] <JVFoxy> also sorta grew up
with it.. meatball could have its place too, maybe more for ground
facilities, where things can be more showy
L286[12:32:46] <Althego> yes just as jim
whateverstein said, he grew up with the worm
L287[12:33:22] <Althego> if i think of
nasa i think of the worm, and eve n though it is simple, it has
character
L288[12:33:56] <Althego> i sure hope hey
can launch
L289[12:34:05] <Althego> becaise o cant
afford to be up that late all the time
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L291[12:35:42] <packbart> imo, the
meatball looks good uniforms, the worm on rockets
L292[12:35:45] <transit> Who cares. He’s
not related to the project at all.
L293[12:35:47] <packbart> +on
L294[12:36:06] <Althego> just head of the
nasa, not related :)
L295[12:36:13] <transit> Nope.
L296[12:36:17] <transit> He’s not.
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L299[12:41:17] <transit> What is this
“launch America” nonsense?
L300[12:41:34] <VanDisaster> maybe they're
firing the continent into orbit
L301[12:41:35] <Althego> usa didnt have a
domestinc manned launch for 9 years
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L303[12:43:25] <JVFoxy> At least with
Shuttle, Canada had a hand in helping with things.. well a whole
arm or two in fact.
L304[12:45:05] <Althego> hehe at least the
yare not doing that callout liek ula
L305[12:45:38] <Althego> somehow most of
the time spacex gets this guy to narrate their launches
L306[12:46:13] <Althego> hehe even
mentioned different from the old age
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L308[12:46:22] <Althego> but ula is stuck
in the old age
L309[12:46:33] <JVFoxy> told friend was
watching the nasa stream.. they were 'why not spacex..?'
L310[12:47:34] <Althego> is there a spacex
stream now?
L312[12:48:05] <kmath> YouTube - Crew
Demo-2
L313[12:48:10] <TonyC> oh hey kmath
L314[12:48:21] <Althego> ah yes just
founjd it
L315[12:48:32] <JVFoxy> heh.. that trough
in front of the screens turned into a fidget toy for the
pilots
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L317[12:49:27] <Althego> so if that one
cloud can get out of the way it can go
L318[12:49:43] <TonyC> I wonder how
reliable touchscreen are compared to buttons
L319[12:49:53] <Althego> we just dont know
it yet
L320[12:50:06] <Althego> probably lot less
flew to space
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L322[12:51:02] <Althego> the nasa stream
seems to be lot older
L323[12:51:06] <Althego> like 15 seconds
or so
L324[12:52:01] <Althego> hehe more like
30
L325[12:52:36] <Althego> sky is still
getting better. i really want them to succeed
L326[12:52:51] <JVFoxy> lol... its its not
'now' its too old. Patience grasshopper
L327[12:53:26] <Althego> if i want to
watch something live
L328[12:53:29] <JVFoxy> I just hope my
connection doesn't flake out on me
L329[12:53:32] <Althego> i dont watch a
half a minute old stream
L330[12:53:44] <Althego> even a 5 seconds
is too old
L331[12:53:55] <Althego> otherwuse i could
just watch this tomorrow with 2x speed
L332[12:54:02] <Althego> skipping right to
the launch
L333[12:54:17] <JVFoxy> you want live..
you better off being there watching it directly. stream regardless
going to have some delay
L334[12:54:24] <Althego> yes
L335[12:54:34] <Althego> but this is the
shortest delay i can realistically have
L336[12:54:41] <darsie> "Dragon"
undocked, deorbited and splashed down near the KSC.
L337[12:54:56] <Malachite> woo launch
stuff
L338[12:54:58] <packbart> Instant
Cassettes!
L339[12:54:58] <Althego> call itt drakon
:)
L340[12:55:06] <darsie> :)
L341[12:55:09] <JVFoxy> new product comes
out, kid wants it yesterday. :\
L342[12:55:28] <Althego> lol tim's stream
has fast scrolling chat
L343[12:55:38] <darsie> It also replaced a
scientist who stayed on the space station for years if not decades
with another.
L344[12:56:17] <JVFoxy> not sure but can
you still downlink NASA TV direct from Satellite via dish?
L345[12:56:31] <Althego> probably
L346[12:56:52] <JVFoxy> got a box but
having issues with setup.. guh
L347[12:57:19] <packbart> it adds another
satellite link. internet cables are faster
L348[12:57:43] <JVFoxy> they used to have
nasa tv on local cable but it was pulled. Only reason it was even
on was cuz they had some Canadian stuff on it.
L349[12:58:17] <JVFoxy> in order to have
broadcasting up here, has to have majority of Canadian
content.
L350[12:59:23] *
darsie wanted to rotate the Dragon view in youtube with RMB
:).
L351[12:59:29] <Althego> hehe
L352[12:59:41] <packbart> cable tv is
often fastest, depending on how they get their uplink. noticeable
in the neighbor cheering lag with popular sports events
L353[12:59:47] <Althego> ship spinning is
the most important aspect of any spaceship game
L354[12:59:57] <Althego> i am still mad
for elite they didnt add that feature
L355[13:00:03] <JVFoxy> you can break the
model,, just don't brake the actual ship
L356[13:00:24] <packbart> cable TV owners
see the goal first, then sat receivers, with internet viewers
strewn all over the place
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L358[13:01:25] <JVFoxy> we watched the
hockey game .. or tried to back when olympics was here in town. bar
across the street would cheer/boo. us flagers had a laptop, had to
wait up to half a minute on stream to find tou what happened
L359[13:01:43] <JVFoxy> granted.. bad
connection but eh.. this was 2010
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L361[13:02:11] <Althego> hehe
L362[13:03:20] <JVFoxy> then we groaned
whan heard it went into overtime
L363[13:03:33] <packbart> live-live
streaming *is* hard, though. even more so if you don't supply the
receiver and expect to work on any display thing
L364[13:05:01] <packbart> a BBC team gave
a talk about their olympic streaming setup at a conference. they
had to settle for acceptably-live, too
L365[13:07:34] <JVFoxy> I remember people
trackside of races, would either build or buy radios to listen into
chatter between cars and pitcrew..
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L367[13:10:36] <JVFoxy> go to space? frig
ya!
L368[13:11:05] <Althego> still about 3
minutes for weather
L369[13:11:24] <packbart> and the
hydraulics thingie at -8
L370[13:11:26] <JVFoxy> the poll thing..
would you go to space?
L371[13:11:35] <Althego> at least they
mentioned lightining energy or whatever instead of the sky, so
there is no more issue with the clooud
L372[13:11:55] <JVFoxy> lightning energy
disipation
L373[13:12:13] <Malachite> JVFoxy:
absolutely
L374[13:12:21] <JVFoxy> last thing we need
is another Apollo 12 launch strike
L375[13:12:28] <Althego> hehe
L376[13:12:47] <JVFoxy> not sure those
screens would survive... zap boom
L377[13:12:50] <Althego> the issue is,
modern materials are composites, they dont like lightning, old
metals worked better
L379[13:13:20] <kmath> YouTube - Coverage
of NASA & SpaceX's Launch with Reds Rhetoric & Astronomy
Live Providing Tracking Cameras
L380[13:13:31] <Malachite> i miss the
spacex technical broadcasts
L381[13:13:35] <JVFoxy> no but can always
in-bed a metal mesh inside like a shell to put push that energy
around
L382[13:13:58] <Malachite> trying to
contain lightning is a fools game though
L383[13:14:10] <JVFoxy> not contain..
direct
L384[13:14:18] <Althego> hehe
L385[13:14:25] <JVFoxy> it wants to go
shortest path down to ground
L386[13:14:29] <Althego> as he mentioned
the 30 minutes waiting time is not making this possible
L387[13:15:40] <Althego> next is on
saturday? lot better. even one hour earlier
L388[13:16:06] <JVFoxy> ya.. 30th from
what I've seen
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L391[13:17:25] <Malachite> scrub :(
L392[13:17:28] <TonyC> ;'(
L393[13:17:37] <Mat2ch> :(
L394[13:17:51] <Mat2ch> But better than
not going to space because of a failure
L395[13:18:04] <Althego> hehe scrub
practive
L396[13:18:20] <Malachite> 3 day
delay
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L398[13:19:06] <VanDisaster> it was
actually all just filming for a scifi flick musk is making
L399[13:20:31] <packbart> soooo... can't
they just drag a long grounding cable to above the clouds?
;>
L400[13:20:58] <Althego> with the rocket
:)
L401[13:22:31] <packbart> planes get hit
by lightning all. the. time. (actually, not that often, I've read.
and systems do fail and the hull needs some maintenance
afterwards)
L402[13:23:13] <VanDisaster> pilots reckon
on one hit a year each I think?
L403[13:23:52] <VanDisaster> they also
tend not to deliberately fly into thunderstorms...
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L405[13:26:00] <Althego> because of other
reasons
L406[13:26:17] <Althego> hail damage,
water amount that is tolerated by the engines, etc
L407[13:26:34] <Althego> also passanger
comfort
L408[13:30:30] <lordcirth_> From what they
were saying, lightning strike in midair isn't so much a concern, as
lightning while fueled on the ground.
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L410[13:30:53] <lordcirth> As they said on
stream that higher lightning clouds would just make for an
interesting ride.
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