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L11[02:26:29] <hatrix> when do you usually
switch from air to oxidizer for the rapier?
L12[02:26:53] <hatrix> I can go up to 15km
or so and then I don't have enough thrust anymore with air
only
L13[02:54:24] <hatrix> and I can't attain
orbit everytime
L14[02:54:30] <hatrix> what should I
improve?
L15[03:06:29] <Althego> hyuge wings
L16[03:06:55] <Althego> if you dont have
enough thrust with the rapier at 20 km you are doing it wrong
L17[03:07:07] <Althego> i usually wait
until it switches by itself
L18[03:07:34] <Althego> because i would do
it only by a few seconds sooner
L19[03:07:57] <Althego> what was your speed
when you switched over?
L20[03:08:13] <Althego> with rapiers it
should be around 1400 at least
L21[03:08:43] <Althego> so typically i vary
ascent profile based on twr, to achieve maximum speed with
airbreathing
L22[03:09:10] <hatrix> I don't have enough
thrust to go to 20km
L23[03:09:23] <Althego> with 4
rapiers?
L24[03:09:27] <Althego> it should totally
do it
L25[03:09:32] <hatrix> yeah, I don't know
what's wrong
L26[03:09:53] <Althego> probably the angle
is too high
L27[03:10:03] <Althego> with sstos you fly
more like a plane, with low angles, not like a rocket
L28[03:10:18] <hatrix> yep but then it
takes ages and consumes a lot of fuel
L29[03:10:23] <Althego> because it doesnt
matter that you burn longer, that is basically the 10x more
efficient airbreathing engine
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L31[03:10:58] <hatrix> does it help adding
air intakes?
L32[03:11:01] <Althego> wait
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L34[03:11:15] <Althego> why where is the
fuel only container?
L35[03:11:21] <Althego> i see only oens
with oxidizer
L36[03:11:26] <Althego> ah the wings
L37[03:11:42] <hatrix> at the back of the
rapier
L38[03:11:46] <Althego> you have only two
air intakes
L39[03:11:55] <Althego> but that should
still work
L40[03:11:59] <Althego> i usually add one
for each
L41[03:16:34] <hatrix> I'll try again with
a different ascent profile
L42[03:21:07] <Althego> actually i never
run out of oxygen
L43[03:21:14] <Althego> the faster you go
the more they get
L44[03:21:49] <Althego> what happens that
the rapiers go too fast to produce useful thrust
L45[03:25:03] <hatrix> the "Prop.
requirement met" is the air intake?
L46[03:28:11] <Althego> probably
L47[03:28:38] <hatrix> I can hardly go
faster than 380m/s
L48[03:28:39] <Althego> maybe 2 are really
not enough for 4
L49[03:28:57] <Althego> yes, it is hard to
break through the sound barrier
L50[03:29:04] <hatrix> oh now it's ok
L51[03:29:11] <Althego> but by 380 it
should be accelerating just fine
L52[03:29:15] <Althego> so then it must be
the intakes
L53[03:29:16] <hatrix> exactly
L54[03:29:28] <hatrix> I'm gaining thrust
again
L56[03:31:36] <hatrix> ok the rapier
switched around 1320m/s
L57[03:32:08] <hatrix> ascent profile too
steep?
L58[03:32:57] <Althego> with 4 rapiers you
should be able to reach 1400
L59[03:33:20] <Althego> i would lose some
wings
L60[03:33:24] <Althego> they jsut add
drag
L61[03:34:27] <Althego> at some time nose
cones on the rapiers used to lessen their drag too, but i think it
is not working anymore
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L76[05:45:49] <hatrix> I removed a lot of
wings and it's way faster now Althego :)
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L81[05:47:10] <hatrix> I reach 1570m/s with
air and 35km as apoapsis
L82[05:47:35] <hatrix> well 39km even
L83[05:47:40] <darsie> 35 km steady?
L84[05:47:50] <hatrix> what do you mean by
steady?
L85[05:47:52] <Althego> that is more liek
it
L86[05:49:02] <hatrix> got too much
oxidizer now :(
L88[05:50:10] <darsie> Can it land?
:)
L89[05:50:17] <hatrix> last time I
managed
L90[05:50:19] <hatrix> not sure now
L91[05:50:31] <hatrix> I remember spinning
a lot during reentry
L92[05:53:13] <JVFoxy> mmm...
L93[05:54:12] <JVFoxy> lol.. meanwhile, I'm
making chunky ssto's with the heavier MK3 command pod
L94[05:54:52] <hatrix> oops overheat during
reentry :(
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L96[05:55:03] <hatrix> mk2 cockpit exploded
due to overheating
L97[05:55:15] <Althego> hatrix: but now
there is the exhaust thingie, you can get rid of the oxidizer
L98[05:55:23] <Althego> or add a little bit
more fuel
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L100[05:56:28] <Althego> this is a mark2
body craft, i can make sstos with mark 1 and they dont overheat. so
if you keep high angle of attack, like 60 deg, then you should slow
down in time
L101[05:57:25] <Althego> the spinning is a
com issue, airplane designs are problematic because mass is at the
back in the form of engines. and as fuel is burnt, cetner of mass
moves backwards, eventually getting behind center of lift
L102[05:57:48] <Althego> one easy solution
as skylon does it, move the engine to the wingtips around com
L103[06:02:51] <JVFoxy> Kusabi (Japanese
for wedge, link pin) Yes, it does fly, yes it can reach 70km
circular orbit, yes it can reenter without burning up. Yes it is
stable. No, I haven't gotten around to placing RCS thrusters yet.
https://imgur.com/a/PQ8Myvw
L104[06:03:56] <hatrix> weird but
fun
L105[06:06:13] <JVFoxy> was a little
something I threw together out of boredom. More intended as a crew
transfer, as seen with the docking tunnel. I don't know the weight,
but it can at least get that up into orbit
L106[06:09:47] <JVFoxy> original idea was
something along the lines of thick wings with embedded engines..
but wasn't sure how.
L107[06:11:00] <hatrix> doesn't explode
with a high angle of attack, nice :)
L108[06:13:04] <JVFoxy> if you can hold
it, does help bleed off speed faster
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L110[06:14:50] <hatrix> it lands fine
also
L111[06:16:50] <JVFoxy> welp, dropped
messing about with setting up a relay network for testing out RCS
placements on this ship
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L114[06:25:05] <JVFoxy> really hoping
adding these ports isn't going to add stupid amounts of drag
L115[06:36:30] <sandbox> I had a weird
dream that a plane was shot down and then I came in here to ask
what type of plane it was ;p
L116[06:37:57] <sandbox> I woke up before
I found out
L117[06:38:58] <sandbox> I think it was a
strike or stripe something
L118[06:47:50] <Mat2ch> Luckily no such
thing happend
L119[06:48:57] <JVFoxy> ok there.. rcs
trimmed..
L120[06:49:08] <JVFoxy> now I got a
moderate SSTO ... but for what?
L121[06:51:09] <JVFoxy> ok ... granted was
sandbox mode. I have taken stuff I designed there, used them in
career once I got the parts...
L122[06:52:19] <JVFoxy> whoops... thought
it was too light. was showing 66t, when I knew it was suppose to be
at least 75t full up. Turns out forgot to refill the aft
tank.
L123[07:03:14] <JVFoxy> well.. good news,
it makes it to orbit at least
L124[07:10:46] <JVFoxy> oof.. 80km up..
got toasty but made it
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L127[07:17:29] <darsie> JVFoxy: For
tourists who want to orbit Kerbin.
L128[07:18:08] <darsie> Is it fully
reusable?
L129[07:18:31] <JVFoxy> Darsie: yup.. just
landed
L130[07:19:14] <JVFoxy> kinda wish the Mk3
could do 6 or 7 crew stockwise.. I know there's a mod for 6
L131[07:20:21] <JVFoxy> don't know about
tourists though... if I ever get back to using TacLifesupport, I
could see using it to resupply stations
L132[07:20:46] <darsie> SSTO can't carry
much payload.
L133[07:25:21] <JVFoxy> My Dynafly SSTO is
only 50t, but I know it can lift at least 1t to orbit.. vs the
Kusabi's 75t.. not sure how much it can lift yet.
L134[07:25:51] <JVFoxy> Dynafly is older
craft.. I probably have to update it and test it again in current
game versions
L135[07:29:11] <JVFoxy> Did do a craft
with the Mk2 cockpit, Dakota, but can carry four crew as well, tiny
cargo bay. Looks more like a wide winged delta fighter
L136[07:29:22] <JVFoxy> semi scifi look,
still with stock parts
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L145[09:05:27] <hatrix> it can only
stabilize with SAS, not easy to dock with
L146[09:05:38] <hatrix> I should either
get rid of it or bring some upgrades…
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L154[09:39:09] <hatrix> that's a nice
pusher
L155[09:39:13] <hatrix> I've already seen
the station though
L156[09:39:32] <hatrix> how do you refill
the fuel station?
L157[09:43:31] <darsie> I don't.
L158[09:43:35] <darsie> Not yet, at
least.
L159[09:45:01] <darsie> The station was
upgraded with sensors (themometer, gravioli detector), solar panels
and batteries (for research).
L160[09:45:56] <darsie> If the fuel
station ever becomes empty, I guess I'd just send another one
up.
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L162[09:58:42] <Althego> starlink in 4.5
hours
L163[09:58:43] <Althego> maybe
L165[10:00:22] <darsie> Says live in
2h.
L166[10:00:44] <Althego> that may be out
of date
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L174[10:58:23] <packbart> zombie-planet
Fomalhaut b has been demoted to dust cloud, again, I see
L176[11:07:17] <Althego> quite a few
planets there in elite dangerous :)
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L187[11:55:45] <Althego> i still think it
is going to be later
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L190[11:55:45] <Mat2ch> why?
L191[11:55:45] <Althego> that
L192[11:55:46] <Mat2ch> New T-0 of 3:30
p.m. EDT, 19:30 UTC, for today’s launch of Starlink
L193[11:56:01] <Mat2ch> oh, wait,
UTC
L194[11:56:10] <Althego> which is two
hours behind now
L195[11:56:37] <Mat2ch> in 95 minutes
then
L196[12:06:07] <Althego> hehe flat earth
made it into the news. as random segment
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L199[12:16:12] <Althego> hah
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L206[13:46:30] <Althego> are we there
yet?
L207[13:47:41] <Mat2ch> 45 min
L208[13:47:56] <Althego> video should
begina bit sooner
L209[13:48:30] <Althego> hehe begina, bit
like italian accent, everything must end with a vowel
L210[13:51:29] <Althego> and new pbs space
time video until then
L211[14:00:28] <Althego> this spacex
launch really came at a bad time. i read through 110 chapters of
solo leveling in two evenings, so i would have liked to go to bed
sooner
L212[14:01:55] <darsie> So you should be
really good at defining solo levelling now.
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L214[14:09:35] <Guest36102> are you able
to get mods on Kerbal Space Program on Xbox 1
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L216[14:10:54] <Althego> well, waited at
least a minute
L217[14:11:01] <Althego> better than
most
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L219[14:12:48] <Guest55938> are you able
to download mods on Xbox 1 in Kerbal Space Program
L220[14:13:18] <Althego> you could
probably try to somehow copy a mode in the dir where it needs to
be
L221[14:13:32] <packbart> Guest55938: I
don't think the console version is moddable
L222[14:13:42] <Althego> but i dont think
you would see great success
L223[14:13:54] <Guest55938> how do you
copy them?
L224[14:14:26] <Mat2ch> only 65k people
waiting for the stream
L225[14:14:28] <Mat2ch> wow
L226[14:14:40] <Althego> spacex can get
over 100k viewers
L227[14:14:49] <Guest55938> what
stream
L228[14:14:49] <Althego> and they have
high production quality too
L230[14:15:11] <Althego> so despite being
a rocket company they could do well as entertainment
L231[14:15:54] <raptop> scp -r
~/games/ksp_1_9_1/GameData
billg@xbox1:/home/billg/games/ksp_1_9_1/
L232[14:15:55] <raptop> obviously
L233[14:15:59] <Mat2ch> well, these days
you only need obs, one person to control it, a cam and a host
L234[14:16:15] <raptop> (I have no idea
how easy it is to get to an xbox3's file system)
L235[14:16:28] <Althego> that doesnt give
you great quality. just guarantees the means
L236[14:16:46] <Mat2ch> you need people
who know what they're doing
L237[14:16:51] <Althego> exactly
L238[14:16:55] <Mat2ch> but not many of
them
L239[14:17:03] <Althego> also cameras on
rockets
L240[14:17:16] <Mat2ch> That was designed
into the rocket ;)
L241[14:17:30] <Mat2ch> I bet Starship
will have more than one...
L242[14:18:06] <Mat2ch> Guest55938:
there's no interface to get mods running on the xbox1 version of
KSP
L243[14:18:23] <Mat2ch> but if you find a
way to copy data to the game directoy of KSP it might be
possible
L244[14:18:36] <Althego> hehe i kust
noticed the username in the scp example
L245[14:18:46] <Althego> bill has been out
for what, more than a decade?
L246[14:19:01] <Mat2ch> but depends on if
the company that did port KSP disabled it or not.
L247[14:19:13] <Althego> and of course i
had to refresh the stream manually
L248[14:19:19] <Althego> because it forgot
to start playing
L249[14:19:25] <Mat2ch> T-11!
L250[14:19:26] <raptop> Something like a
decade and a half
L251[14:19:37] <Mat2ch> T-11min...
L252[14:20:01] <Althego> last time i
missed some launch because the stream didnt start playing
L253[14:20:11] <Mat2ch> interesting. No
logo on the fairings. I guess that's how you save money.
L254[14:20:38] <Althego> it is their own
launch so why bother
L255[14:20:45] <Mat2ch> T-10min! And the
crowed goes wild!
L256[14:20:52] <Mat2ch> *crowd
L257[14:21:13] <Althego> lately they didnt
have luch with the boosters
L258[14:21:54] <Mat2ch> Elon tweeted the
problem with the alcohol in the dead leg
L259[14:22:03] <Mat2ch> I really wonder
how they figured that out
L260[14:22:22] <Althego> only if it was
still frozen there
L261[14:22:30] <Althego> and i doubt
that
L262[14:22:45] <Mat2ch> it ignited and
exploded
L263[14:23:00] <Althego> ice doesnt
usually explode
L264[14:23:06] <Althego> so some part
could have remained
L265[14:23:13] <Mat2ch> isopropanol
alcohol does
L266[14:23:38] <Althego> i never froze
it
L267[14:23:53] <Mat2ch> nobody froze
anything :)
L268[14:24:00] <Mat2ch> Woah
L269[14:24:07] <Mat2ch> live view from Ms
Tree!
L270[14:24:34] <flayer> human launch next
month, yeah?
L271[14:24:42] <Mat2ch> so it looks
L272[14:24:44] <flayer> man, i hope we can
get to the moon next year or so
L273[14:24:45] <Althego> in 1 month 5
days
L274[14:24:52] <flayer> get some hd
pictures orbiting that
L275[14:24:58] <Althego> lol not next
year
L276[14:25:20] <flayer> i dunno, orbiting
it doesn't sound out of the question
L277[14:25:21] <Althego> hd is actually
quite low resolution
L278[14:25:24] <flayer> maybe two
years
L279[14:25:24] <Mat2ch> Well, I'm waiting
for the day someone overthrows all we know about physics and we get
the warp drive ;P
L280[14:25:42] <Mat2ch> 4k videos from the
Moon plz! ;)
L281[14:25:59] <Althego> get that exotic
matter and there you go
L282[14:26:25] <Althego> alternatively
invent human hibernation
L283[14:26:47] <Althego> or at least ftl
communication for elepresence
L284[14:27:22] <Althego> think of how
faster mars rovers could operate
L285[14:27:32] <raptop> Mat2ch: so, like
LADEE's laser test?
L286[14:29:39] <Althego> 1
L287[14:30:30] <Althego> 10 sec
L288[14:35:34] <Althego> something was
floating there in the upper left
L289[14:40:03] <Althego> yes, show more of
that fuel
L290[14:43:26] <Mat2ch> raptop:
hopefully
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L293[14:55:54] <darsie> Human
hibernation+Mind uploading:
L296[14:56:42] <darsie> Human hibernation
for Mind uploading
L297[14:57:05] <Althego> why do you need
hibernation for mind uploading
L298[14:57:24] <darsie> To prevent
destroying the brain before uploading is developed.
L299[14:57:30] <Althego> ah
L300[14:57:36] <packbart> to take a
snapshot of the current brain state
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