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L29[03:25:15] <kmath> YouTube - SpaceX's
Starship SN3 prototype fails cryogenic proof test
L30[03:31:32] <Judge_Dedd> Eh? How?
L31[03:31:52] <Mat2ch> Oh no, not again
:(
L32[03:32:06] <Althego> it didnt even
explode
L33[03:32:28] <Mat2ch> looks like the
bulkhead inside gave up
L34[03:32:29] <Althego> if it was
pressurized how did it shrink so much?
L35[03:32:46] <Mat2ch> only the top tank
was pressurized
L36[03:32:50] <Althego> ah yes if the
internal structure failed
L37[03:32:52] <Mat2ch> not the bottom tank
as you can clearly see
L38[03:32:57] <Althego> then it would
behave likea balloon tank
L39[03:33:21] <Althego> now we are waiting
for scott to explain?
L40[03:33:25] <Althego> maybe
tomorrow
L41[03:33:45] <Judge_Dedd> You can see the
buckling already from frame 1
L42[03:33:58] <Mat2ch> so the bulk head
failed which created a huge low pressure zone which crumpled the
upper tank
L43[03:34:31] <Mat2ch> the buckling from
the beginning is because of the weight
L44[03:34:40] <Mat2ch> Why would they only
pressure the top tank?
L45[03:34:46] <Mat2ch> That doesn't make
any sense
L46[03:35:04] <Mat2ch> the top tank without
the support of the pressure of the bottom tank should be to heavy
to support
L47[03:35:38] <Mat2ch> this thing only
works if both tanks are equally pressured!
L48[03:36:22] <Althego> whatever the cause
t hey are now stuck with sn4
L49[03:36:42] <Althego> lot of work
wasted
L50[03:37:26] <Judge_Dedd> Not wasted
:)
L51[03:37:42] <Judge_Dedd> They got a great
Youtube video out of it
L52[03:37:57] <Judge_Dedd> (plus data for
future iterations and blahblah)
L53[03:38:30] <Althego> true, but they
would have gotten way more data if it flew
L54[03:39:32] <Mat2ch> maybe it really was
another test to see if the inner bulkhead could hold up to the
pressure
L55[03:39:40] <Mat2ch> and the whole
structure
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L60[03:41:03] <Judge_Dedd> Musk said
"Some valves leaked at cryo temp. Fixing & will retest
soon" I guess that was before the incident?
L61[03:41:18] <Althego> and elon is
probably asleep so no tweets :)
L63[03:42:09] <kmath>
<✔JimBridenstine> The worm is back! When the @SpaceX Falcon 9
lifts off carrying @NASA_Astronauts aboard #CrewDragon, it will
sport t…
https://t.co/2YFLq4O0kO
L64[03:42:20] <Althego> mostly
unrelated
L67[03:43:20] <Althego> or maybe 6
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L72[04:18:56] <kmath> YouTube - SpaceX
Close Up Starship SN3's Fatality At Boca Chica Time Lapse
L73[04:19:13] <Mat2ch> Althego: six
legs
L74[04:20:13] <Mat2ch> in this video you
see a much much longer testing going on
L75[04:20:29] <Mat2ch> they filled, hold,
emptied a bit, filled again
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L78[05:08:40] <kmath> <✔elonmusk>
@austinbarnard45 @LabPadre We will see what data review says in the
morning, but this may have been a test configuration mistake
L79[05:09:44] <Mat2ch> also Elon seems to
watch the youtube live streams to see what's going on :D
L80[05:10:29] <Althego> hehe
L81[05:10:40] <Althego> or hw was sitting
right in the next building
L82[05:11:05] <Althego> but he said what
you daid, that it wasnt filled completely
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L85[05:16:38] <kmath> YouTube - 2020
World's most powerful CW handheld laser
L86[05:18:34] <Althego> the working on the
aluminium piece is hilarious (most of it is obviously there for the
joke)
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L88[05:29:16] <Mat2ch> Althego: well, 200 W
of heat? And a hand gun case? Sounds like a hairdryer to me. A cool
hair dryer ;)
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L91[06:14:51] <Judge_Dedd> Mat2ch, 200 W
packed into a pinpoint is pretty extreme
L92[06:15:28] <Althego> 200 W is the heat,
100 W goes into the laser
L93[06:15:34] <Judge_Dedd> I've been
following that guy for years. He's pretty crazy :)
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L95[06:16:44] <Judge_Dedd> The one he made
from a tattoo remover was very neat
L96[06:16:58] <Althego> yes way higher
poer
L97[06:17:06] <Althego> but that ones is
not a beam laser
L98[06:20:05] <Judge_Dedd> True. But it was
powerful enough to wreck his camera just from the dot
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L102[06:31:19] <hatrix> is it better to
encounter a planet close to it or really far?
L103[06:31:56] <hatrix> for Δv efficiency
to circularize I mean
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L105[06:34:08] <FLHerne> hatrix: For a
given final orbit, lower is better because Oberth Effect
L106[06:34:42] <FLHerne> But circularizing
to a low orbit will take more Δv than a high one
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L113[07:14:58] <hatrix> it's nice to have
a design that just works
L115[07:15:44] <kmath> YouTube - SpaceX
SN3 Starship Destroyed - Liquid Oxygen Tank Crumpled
L116[07:15:53] <Althego> with some
explanation
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L118[07:25:12] <hatrix> landed 10km for
the base :(
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L120[07:25:43] <hatrix> 25m/s on Duna
seems like a bad idea though
L122[07:26:24] <Althego> for vertical
speed it is a lot. for landing gears horizontally it is fine
L123[07:26:31] <hatrix> ground speed
L124[07:26:33] <Althego> ah rover
L125[07:26:48] <Althego> yes i have this
rule to never go faster than 25 m/s with a rover
L126[07:27:02] <Althego> because if you do
it flips in the next few seconds because of a tiny bump
L127[07:27:33] <hatrix> 25 is already
quite a lot
L128[07:28:14] <hatrix> ahah, going at 115
kmph on Duna
L129[07:28:17] <hatrix> this is
stupid
L130[07:28:40] <Althego> i still couldnt
come up with an airplane design that works on duna
L131[07:28:52] <hatrix> I'm currently
reading 2001 A Space Odyssey, and they've got a rover going at such
speeds on the Moon
L132[07:29:01] <hatrix> even has some
thrusters to jump above small craters
L133[07:29:25] <Althego> in reality the
real lunar rovers pulled off only a few m/s
L134[07:29:36] <Althego> and even that one
was one guy only who dared to do it :)
L135[07:29:44] <hatrix> yep, crazy
scary
L136[07:30:06] <Althego> and the mars
rovers are something like 5 cm/s
L138[07:30:23] <Althego> or rather 1.5
rover because the other one is not launched yet
L139[07:30:25] <hatrix> oups
L140[07:30:27] <hatrix> boom
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L143[07:33:13] <hatrix> I have the X³ but
never playe
L144[07:33:15] <hatrix> d
L145[07:33:26] <hatrix> am I missing
something?
L146[07:34:34] <Althego> i pasted the link
because there are a lot of space games on this list
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L149[07:37:44] <kmath> YouTube - Clint
Mansell - Moon OST #1 - Welcome to Lunar Industries
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L151[07:40:40] <hatrix> made 6km, 4
left!
L152[07:40:49] <hatrix> Duna's surface is
actually really nice or rovers
L153[07:41:16] <Althego> if any of those
things has an isru unit i would rather just make a parabolic hop.
lot faster
L154[07:41:47] <hatrix> the ISRU is on
another rover
L155[07:41:57] <hatrix> which was the
first to land 4 or 5 missions ago for this base
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L157[07:44:24] <hatrix> the 20° degree
slopes aren't so nice actually
L158[07:44:44] <Althego> real world rovers
did around 30 deg on duna :)
L159[07:45:00] <Althego> slightly above 30
in case of all 3
L160[07:45:08] <Althego> or rather
mars
L161[07:45:08] <hatrix> definitely ok, but
at 30ms…
L162[07:45:18] <Althego> more like 3
cm/sec :)
L164[07:53:21] <hatrix> :)
L165[07:54:01] <Althego> the isru unit is
that facing wast to east?
L166[07:54:38] <hatrix> it's on the rover
on the far lest
L167[07:54:44] <Althego> i see that
L169[07:55:09] <Althego> but the question
was if the solar panels can follow the sun
L170[07:55:17] <hatrix> oh
L171[07:55:22] <Althego> they can do that
if it is facing west to east
L172[07:55:30] <Althego> otherwise they
lose efficiency
L173[07:55:31] <hatrix> 138°
L174[07:55:35] <hatrix> 135
L175[07:55:58] <hatrix> I'll land a large
solar array with lots of batteries either way at one point
L176[07:56:06] <hatrix> but just because
it looks cool
L177[07:56:11] <hatrix> the rover has
enough electricity
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L193[10:19:34] <Althego> great, you can
put two motors and set of blades inside the duct, they seem to be
both affected by the lift increase
L194[10:19:44] <Althego> otherwise my
torque would have become unbalanced
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L214[13:18:43] <hatrix> though it sounds
quite easy, onlt +5 kerbals and 1 MPL
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L217[13:21:47] <Althego> finally. made it
into eve orbit with only 5k m/s delta v
L218[13:22:12] <Althego> these ducted fans
are really powerful there
L219[13:22:29] <hatrix> wow,
impressive
L220[13:22:32] <hatrix> what does it look
like?
L222[13:26:04] <Althego> it is actually a
rocket with some silly wings
L223[13:26:05] <hatrix> oh
L224[13:26:08] <hatrix> what's that thing
on the left?
L225[13:26:24] <Althego> with the orange
stripe? that is the duct
L226[13:26:30] <hatrix> hmm
L227[13:26:33] <hatrix> dlc?
L228[13:26:34] <Althego> inside there are
two motors and two set of blades
L229[13:26:39] <Althego> yes
L230[13:26:42] <hatrix> oh ok
L231[13:27:13] <Althego> it takes 3
kerbals and it is only 37.6 r
L232[13:27:16] <Althego> t
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L234[13:28:14] <Althego> ok the two set of
engines and blades are a bit cheaty, but in reality there are
counter rotating blades, what i tried to simulate
L235[13:28:51] <hatrix> how is it
cheaty?
L236[13:29:02] <hatrix> I don't have the
DLC, I can't judge you :)
L237[13:29:13] <Althego> two parts shifted
inside each other
L239[13:32:19] <Althego> ok i dont know
how to get it to eve
L240[13:32:26] <hatrix> feels ok to
me
L241[13:32:31] <hatrix> ahah
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L244[13:35:24] <Althego> why do you need
that empty space there?
L245[13:35:39] <hatrix> where would I put
the solar panels?
L246[13:36:00] <Althego> on the lab,
etc
L247[13:36:00] <lordcirth> Just stick them
on the sides?
L248[13:36:16] <lordcirth> I would put
them on the batteries
L249[13:36:30] <hatrix> I wanted to have
long "arms" with only solar panels
L250[13:36:31] <Althego> you can put one
there
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L255[13:45:13] <lordcirth> NFE would
reduce your part count a lot
L256[13:45:18] <lordcirth> If you really
need all that
L257[13:45:20] <hatrix> NFE?
L258[13:45:40] <hatrix> ah, near future
elec
L259[13:45:42] <lordcirth> Near Future
Electric
L260[13:45:53] <lordcirth> It has bigger/
longer batteries
L261[13:45:55] <hatrix> I don't really
like mods
L263[13:59:50] <Althego> hehe
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L271[14:33:24] <hatrix> what camera is
that?
L272[14:33:31] <hatrix> isn't it too
heavy?
L273[14:33:48] <hatrix> oh it's a handle
for the plates, you can mount anything now :)
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L282[15:12:30] <hatrix> why can you extend
antennas when you don't have probe control but you can extend solar
panels?
L283[15:12:41] <hatrix> you ca't
solar*
L284[15:14:28] <lordcirth> Well, with EC
you have a chance to notice that you need to open them before it's
too late
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L286[15:14:44] <hatrix> you're really
selling me this mod :D
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L288[15:15:47] <lordcirth> Hm? I meant
electric charge, not NFE
L289[15:15:56] <hatrix> ha
L290[15:15:58] <hatrix> yes, right
L291[15:16:06] <hatrix> I only saw
capitals and was like "oh, mod."
L292[15:16:08] <lordcirth> Like, batteries
take time to run down, unlike losing signals
L293[15:17:07] <packbart> extending
antennas without control doesn't work, either, if the
"connection required" difficulty option is on, iirc
L294[15:17:08] <hatrix> it's still easy to
forget them though
L295[15:17:24] <hatrix> maybe I'm thinking
about limited probe control then
L296[15:20:21] <packbart> NFE solar panels
are beautiful and powerful. not sure how they fit into a career,
only played with them in a sandbox
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L298[15:21:29] <hatrix> I didn't want to
install mods actually because I wanted to unlock the whole tech
tree before and get comfortable with everything
L299[15:21:35] <hatrix> but now that's
done, maybe I can look into it
L302[15:22:48] <hatrix> wow cute
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