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L26[05:04:53] <Guest99956> how do i install
mods
L27[05:04:57] <Guest99956> ?
L28[05:05:15] <Guest99956> and how do i get
unbreakble joints
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L30[05:07:41] <hatrix> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L31[05:12:03] <Althego> lol
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L36[05:40:29] <packbart> what's up with
people's joints? maybe I don't play hard enough but in most cases
of wobbling joints, the reason is something obviously wrong with
the design
L37[05:41:23] <packbart> there is some
buggity going on with engine plates when reverting and editing a
design. the parts attached to the plate keep forced autostruts that
can create weird forces
L38[05:44:12] <hatrix> I just turn on
autostrut and everything works
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L43[06:03:34] <packbart> strutting parts to
payload fairing panels would be a nice option, sometimes. one of
the fairing mods probably does that
L44[06:04:53] <hatrix> I tracked an
asteroid, warped to Kerbin's SOI but as soon as I fly my craft I
don't see it anymore in the map, only in the tracking station
L45[06:04:57] <hatrix> how should it be
done ?
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L47[06:11:57] <JVFoxy> no problems with
parts here.. well other than the massive wings.. one little bump,
kiss all the connections around it goodbye. no matter if its auto
strutted or not
L48[06:12:24] <JVFoxy> mind you... not sure
if that is still issue in very latest edition
L49[06:13:03] *
JVFoxy been too busy flying around in jet powered VTOL.. remembers
back in the day people had a hard time with throttle
lag
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L56[06:59:25] *
JVFoxy does a tower of the KSC in a little science car. 250 points
collected.. whoa..
L57[06:59:43] <JVFoxy> tower.. -head meets
desk- tour... ugh
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L60[07:23:24] <darsie> :)
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L63[07:27:03] <JVFoxy> automated plane with
control surfaces for wings now...
L64[07:27:23] <darsie> automated?
L65[07:27:37] <JVFoxy> well robotic more
than automated. I ended up doing another career...
L66[07:28:55] <JVFoxy> basically said to
myself, until I record a minmus mission and post it, I can't
continue the previous career I had going
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L68[07:30:48] <JVFoxy> I had a jet powered
vtol thing for doing some science out at the grasslands, highlands
and mountains. I forgot to hit some temp science while flying over
them. figured, got a contract to do a temp mission just outside
KSC, try a probe controlled plane out there, then hit the spots I
missed
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L71[07:40:25] <darsie> Vertical landing
with jets is hard, cause they thrust lags so much.
L72[07:43:44] <JVFoxy> heh.. my latest was
two mk1 pods, 5 mk0 fuel tanks, 4 those little jets. no wings. ya
thrust lags a bit, but I also use the TWR quite a bit so I'm not
getting too far out of the envolope
L73[07:44:32] <JVFoxy> Learn to work with
it a bit, nudge throttle beyond, but then pull it back to help
speed things
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L77[08:55:00] <packbart> "Roscosmos
will consider participation after successful launches, but will not
participate in the first launch of the [Crew Dragon]" - well,
Jeb's going
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L82[09:36:00] <Althego> hehe
L83[09:36:07] <Althego> do they take a jeb
plush?
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L100[11:37:49] <Althego> quite close
L101[11:38:04] <Althego> with some lift
you could land right next to it
L102[11:38:25] <hatrix> I guess so
L103[11:38:29] <hatrix> but the rover has
been made for that
L104[11:38:54] <hatrix> or even the whole
base could come to the rock
L105[11:38:56] <hatrix> et
L106[11:39:34] <Althego> since we finally
have these props, and duna is still not really suitable for flying,
i want to make lower than required delta v eve ascent vehicle. that
should be possible, since you can go up to maybe 20 km with
flying
L107[11:39:43] <Althego> and from there
you need a lot less delta v
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L109[11:40:55] <hatrix> props are electric
only right?
L110[11:41:10] <Althego> no, there is some
turboshaft
L111[11:41:15] <Althego> but that needs
oxygen
L112[11:41:23] <Althego> they use the same
props
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L118[13:20:20] <Althego> scott
L119[13:32:38] <Althego> hehe gtfo
maneuver
L121[13:33:27] <kmath> YouTube - What
Happens When You Shoot An Asteroid With An 'Anti-Tank Weapon'
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L127[13:50:41] <Flayer> it is I,
flayer!
L128[13:50:51] <raptop> hi, flayer
L129[13:51:21] <Flayer> how's everybody
holding up?
L130[13:51:52] <raptop> productivity is
hard
L131[13:52:45] <hatrix> productiwhat
L133[13:56:07] <hatrix> nerd
L134[13:56:31] <raptop> Not that the graph
or caption would make sense without a bunch of extra context
L136[13:57:24] <hatrix> if we're posting
screenshots of things nobody understand :)
L137[13:59:09] <raptop> :D
L138[13:59:29] <Althego> hehe
L139[13:59:32] <Mat2ch> .oO( well, holding
up... i try to take a shower ever morning. That's it. )
L140[14:03:29] <hatrix> what is it about
then raptop ?
L141[14:06:14] <raptop> hatrix: simulating
a bunch of exoplanet surveys and trying to figure out which is
"best"
L142[14:06:22] <raptop> Uh, ground based
radial velocity surveys
L143[14:06:51] <raptop> So WFIRST (and if
they fly HabEx and/or LUVOIR) can have direct imaging targets
L144[14:07:51] <hatrix> oh, nice
L145[14:07:56] <hatrix> the explanation is
quite simple actually
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L147[14:08:47] <hatrix> what kind of
parameters do you take into account to create those surveys?
L148[14:12:07] <raptop> More or less
realistic modeling of the telescope/site (eg: slew times are 5
minutes, only observe stars above the telescope's pointing limits
and far enough away from the moon, nights can be lost due to
weather)
L149[14:14:16] <hatrix> or so more or less
creating models and adding some noise to them?
L151[14:15:07] <raptop> so prevision comes
from models of stellar atmospheres but with some caveats (the stars
can spin and have varying sizes/temperatures/masses, but spots and
flares don't exist)
L152[14:15:16] <hatrix> you know it's not
your physics field when you don't even understand the
abstract
L153[14:15:31] <raptop> Hah
L154[14:15:56] <raptop>
s/prevision/precision/
L155[14:16:27] <raptop> model the star,
model the instrument (including noise to the extent that it's
quantified) -> estimate of how good our measurement is
L156[14:17:22] <hatrix> sounds hard
considering the unknown parameters
L157[14:17:23] <raptop> But this is
inherintly optimistic in that we assume all noise/error is white
noise. Stellar activity tends to have correlations which can hide
real planets and give the appearance of ones that don't
exist.
L158[14:17:53] <hatrix> ok so you've got a
lot of false negatives?
L159[14:18:47] <raptop> I'm not 100% sure
on what the false negative rate is, though probably kinda
high
L160[14:19:00] <hatrix> makes sense
L161[14:19:21] <hatrix> instruments
calibration must be a hassle
L162[14:19:28] <raptop> Heh
L163[14:19:41] <raptop> It can be, but the
people who make the instruments are doing really cool things
there.
L164[14:19:54] <hatrix> what's
"here" btw?
L165[14:20:45] <raptop> here as in me?
grad student at George Mason University (outside of DC)
L166[14:21:21] <raptop> The
"there" has amusing things like gas cells (pass the
starlight through one to have a bunch of lines at known positions
that can be used to measure the radial velocity at high
precision)
L167[14:21:38] <hatrix> grad student,
meaning you got a master/engineering degree or something like
that?
L168[14:21:41] <raptop> Also, there was a
time when the best gas cells used hydrogen fluoride. *heated*
HF
L169[14:21:45] <hatrix> I don't know
anything about US stuff
L170[14:22:12] <hatrix> oh yeah, I was
talking about location :)
L171[14:22:15] <raptop> well,
PhD/doctorate is the degree goal. Doing the US thing of going
directly from a Bachelor's to a doctorate
L172[14:22:28] <hatrix> what
L173[14:23:33] <hatrix> I'd fear not
finishing it and not having a backup
L174[14:24:03] <hatrix> i've got a master
but no bachelor, it was quite weird the last years
L175[14:24:11] <raptop> hah
L176[14:24:40] <raptop> Some people who
don't finish end up "mastering out", and some people just
get a master's in the process of the phd
L177[14:25:36] <hatrix> nice, that's
convenient
L178[14:28:15] <raptop> Though it does
mean that in eg: Astronomy, an MSc means that either you're still
looking at PhD programs, or leaving the field >_>
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L181[14:31:12] <raptop> I'm guessing that
your day job involves lasers or particle accelerators?
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L183[14:31:38] <hatrix> what's MSc?
L184[14:32:26] <lordcirth> Master of
science?
L185[14:32:56] <hatrix> I'm working on BPM
(beam position monitor) calibration in the LHC using ballistic
optics, which just is turning off some magnets and see how the beam
reacts and how the instruments pick that up
L186[14:33:03] <raptop> lordcirth:
yep
L187[14:33:23] <raptop> hatrix:
ooh...
L188[14:33:41] <lordcirth> so, you are
working on aiming a 17km-long particle cannon
L189[14:33:51] <Althego> hehe
L191[14:33:59] <hatrix> 26.
somethhing
L192[14:34:27] <hatrix> but hmm yeah,
basically my team is working on keeping the beam stable and focused
for more collisions
L193[14:34:40] <hatrix> you could say
we're improving our cannon
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L205[16:39:34] <hatrix> wouhou, got a
contract to extract 1,100 ore from Duna and deliver it to Ike
L206[16:39:42] <hatrix> that mobile base
was useful once again
L207[16:39:57] <hatrix> and it was the
first time I departed from Duna :)
L208[16:40:28] <hatrix> also got 1,400,000
square root ksdollars
L209[16:43:35] <JVFoxy> and here I'm
messing about with tiny little plane things that can get those
'above 18km' contracts
L210[16:44:17] <hatrix> I'm not even sure
I can make a stable plane that flies so congrats
L211[16:46:34] <JVFoxy> unstable how
so?
L212[16:46:57] <JVFoxy> I've been into
aviation since I was a kid so.. kind of used to things
L213[16:48:14] <hatrix> no I mean it
flies, I just don't know how to get any higher
L214[16:48:19] <hatrix> I'd like to make a
space plane
L215[16:48:26] <hatrix> but it always
eventually topples over
L216[16:49:04] <JVFoxy> an.. planes
themselves have limits. depends on the engine you use
L217[16:49:41] <hatrix> something not
powerful enough I recon
L218[16:49:48] <JVFoxy> spaceplanes are a
lot trickier.. reusable, yes. But they suffer a lot in
performance
L219[16:51:00] <JVFoxy> first thing
though, can you make a flyable regular plane?
L220[16:51:33] <hatrix> yep
L221[16:51:40] <hatrix> let me find
something
L222[16:53:10] <hatrix> euh ok
L224[16:55:09] <JVFoxy> ah ok.. has hints
of soviet bear plane.. :P
L225[16:55:52] <JVFoxy> you stock or
mod?
L226[16:55:58] <hatrix> stock +
KER/KAC
L227[16:56:27] <JVFoxy> ah.. the engineer
and clock
L228[16:56:55] <JVFoxy> so.. no added
parts.. see if I can find something I used to use back in older
versions. Granted, its harder to come up with something that
spaceplanes with the Mk3 command...
L229[16:59:21] <hatrix> it's really hard
to take of though
L230[16:59:27] <hatrix> it goes left or
right
L231[17:01:05] <JVFoxy> couple of things
to note
L232[17:01:17] <JVFoxy> center of mass is
pretty high, tall landing gear
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L234[17:02:23] <JVFoxy> when attaching
landing gear, make sure you have rotation set to absolute, instead
of local. helps to make sure wheels are pointed exactly forwards.
Also, sometimes if the plane is pitched slightly when sitting on
the runway, it can cause problems.
L235[17:05:47] <hatrix> definitely better
lower, but still swerving
L236[17:06:10] <hatrix> should I turn SAS
on or off?
L237[17:06:58] <JVFoxy> wheels might be
toed in or out a bit
L238[17:07:33] <JVFoxy> center of lift
still staying behind mass?
L240[17:08:09] <hatrix> yes
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L243[17:11:14] <JVFoxy> in you previous
picture, wasn't sure but does your wings have pitch to them? are
they flat?
L244[17:11:35] <hatrix> they're like that
/
L245[17:11:42] <hatrix> ---/--->
L246[17:11:54] <Ezriilc> Stay healthy and
safe, y'all.
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L248[17:13:54] <JVFoxy> just wondering if
you wings are rotated, making too much lift, plane may be trying to
pick itself up in the middle, resting on nose wheel. That would
cause plane to swerve badly on runway unless if you at pitch up
control
L249[17:14:12] <hatrix> even at 125m/s
it's not taking off
L250[17:14:18] <hatrix> it used to work
though, I wonder what happened
L251[17:14:29] <JVFoxy> could be a number
of things
L252[17:16:21] <hatrix> ok
L253[17:16:23] <hatrix> guess why
L254[17:16:27] <hatrix> I'm just stupid
:D
L255[17:16:36] <hatrix> plane and rocket
controls are inverted for whatever reason
L256[17:16:39] <JVFoxy> plane is pretty
complicated
L257[17:16:41] <hatrix> I was pitching
DOWN instead of up
L258[17:16:43] <hatrix> ...
L259[17:18:28] <JVFoxy> its a complicated
process... I spend hours tweaking things sometimes
L260[17:18:43] <JVFoxy> and that is just
on smaller craft
L261[17:18:53] <hatrix> ok, apoapsis at
72km
L262[17:18:58] <hatrix> why is this thing
working now
L263[17:19:31] <hatrix> ok it's not
L264[17:19:50] <hatrix> engines are not
fully behind COM
L265[17:19:54] <hatrix> so it's just
rotating
L266[17:20:55] <JVFoxy> pitching or
yawing?
L267[17:21:11] <hatrix> oh, yaw
L268[17:21:16] <JVFoxy> huh
L269[17:21:17] <hatrix> I keep inverting
those
L270[17:21:23] <hatrix> oh, wait
L271[17:21:25] <hatrix> pitch.
L272[17:21:31] <hatrix> definitely
pitch
L273[17:21:38] <JVFoxy> ya that is what I
thought.. up down. engines not on centerline.
L274[17:22:22] <hatrix> yep
L275[17:22:38] <hatrix> I just need to
move the engines up ?
L276[17:22:40] <JVFoxy> thrust line might
be below center of mass.. problem with aerospikes, in stock they
have no gimble.
L277[17:23:27] <hatrix> oh, gimballing
engines could help
L278[17:23:27] <JVFoxy> could try bringing
engines up, pitching rockets to compenspate for the pitch but that
takes a bit of trial and error
L279[17:24:55] <hatrix> this plane is
capable of sub orbital flights, that's already something I
guess
L280[17:25:15] <JVFoxy> its a start
L281[17:25:44] <JVFoxy> lol.. sometimes
when I get a plane that goes stupid fast, I do some mods, see if it
can reach orbit. Doesn't always work
L282[17:27:27] <hatrix> I think I'll try
that tomorrow
L283[17:27:31] <hatrix> no more KSP after
midnight
L284[17:30:51] <JVFoxy> as I said... takes
some getting used to. Not easy knowing how much designing to put
into things to make it work till you've tried a few things
L285[17:32:19] <hatrix> took me years to
get rockets right
L286[17:32:25] <hatrix> I hope it'll be
faster for planes
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L288[17:33:45] <JVFoxy> years of playing
or years of reading up on things?
L289[17:34:06] <hatrix> ahah, just playing
and fooling around
L290[17:34:17] <hatrix> I've tried to play
seriously a few months ago
L291[17:34:31] <hatrix> but playing once
or twice a week isn't a lot
L292[17:34:38] <JVFoxy> ah.. was quite a
space and aviation head long before KSP came out. Though I guess
having copy of spacesim from ages ago helped a bit too.
L293[17:35:07] <hatrix> that's a nice head
start :)
L294[17:35:14] <JVFoxy> I'm not as extreme
as some people are when it comes to things in KSP...
L295[17:35:15] <hatrix> I'll be prepared
for KSP2
L297[17:36:07] <JVFoxy> I try to make
things... practical, it may not be perfect
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L300[17:38:14] <hatrix> I've come to a
point where I don't really think too much about it, strap things
together and somehow it works
L301[17:39:39] <JVFoxy> heh.. probably not
always though. Can be times something unexpected happens
L302[17:40:03] <hatrix> usually it's a
shady relay network
L303[17:40:52] <JVFoxy> shady how so?
blocked by moon or something?
L304[17:41:08] <hatrix> I only have a
correct network aroudn Eve
L305[17:41:14] <JVFoxy> I'm still mulling
over how going to go about a relay network with 'additional network
stations' turned off
L306[17:41:17] <hatrix> everything else is
just random ships with relay antennas
L307[17:41:30] <hatrix> what do you
mean?
L308[17:42:05] <JVFoxy> KSC will alway
shave a station right? Then there are others around the planet.
When setting up a game, you can have the other planet stations
removed. Forces you to make a local network
L309[17:42:21] <JVFoxy> KSC station can
only see horizon to horizon, not other side of the planet
L310[17:42:21] <hatrix> there are stations
on other planets?
L311[17:42:28] <JVFoxy> No.. just on
Kirbin
L312[17:42:35] <hatrix> oh, yes
L313[17:43:04] <hatrix> what's the
problem?
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L315[17:43:17] <JVFoxy> without a network,
probes can't be controlled otherside of the planet
L316[17:43:29] <JVFoxy> with other network
stations removed from game
L317[17:43:43] <hatrix> well, can't the
relay probes connect to the other probes?
L319[17:44:04] <JVFoxy> one game, I stuck
a geo stationary relay over KSC.. then later I was going to put
another station on one of the poles when I got a better relay
antenna
L320[17:46:18] <JVFoxy> what makes me a
bit sad, stock game everything's manual other than SAS
L321[17:50:45] *
JVFoxy gahs! Also first tier landing wheels ... ya that whole
blowing up even at slowest of touch downs really ..
arg..
L322[17:52:46] <hatrix> SAS is good
enough
L323[17:52:52] <hatrix> are you talking
about stuff like mech jeb?
L324[17:53:27] <JVFoxy> no... you ever
tried getting a perfect orbit.. like for something in geo
stationary?
L325[17:54:03] <hatrix> ah, you need KER
for that
L326[17:54:09] <hatrix> and a lot of
tries
L327[17:54:20] <hatrix> what's important
is the orbital period
L328[17:54:25] <JVFoxy> I can get close..
but unless its 100% perfect, will /always/ get drift
L329[17:54:25] <hatrix> it's not so hard
to achieve
L330[17:54:35] <hatrix> for my 6
satellites I had to get them to the perfect millisecond
L331[17:54:51] <hatrix> I didn't have KER
back then and eventually after a few years they got out of sync
:(
L332[17:55:02] <JVFoxy> I don't have
ker
L333[17:55:12] <hatrix> install it
them
L334[17:55:14] <JVFoxy> then again, I
usually don't have problems getting orbits
L335[17:55:16] <hatrix> best thing I've
done so far
L336[17:55:34] <hatrix> some people told
me in this channel to install it, I've only done it a few months
later
L337[17:55:40] <hatrix> and I regret
having waited
L338[17:56:22] <JVFoxy> whats it got the
game doesn't already have when it comes to precision orbits?
L339[17:56:38] <hatrix> it's more
precise
L341[17:57:16] <hatrix> the .317 is quite
important
L343[17:59:39] <JVFoxy> when ti comes to
geo stationary, I'm not looking at seconds.. a few other things I
deal with. ap/per, velocity... can KER control burn time?
L344[18:00:24] <hatrix> you should look at
the orbital period
L345[18:00:33] <hatrix> it doesn't matter
if Pe != Ap
L346[18:00:57] <hatrix> as for the burn
time I got no idea
L347[18:01:30] <JVFoxy> burn control
because, trying to shut engine off exactly at the right time can be
a pain if everything has to be 100% exact
L348[18:01:40] <hatrix> yep I know
L349[18:02:10] <JVFoxy> telling me the
time only does so much, if i can't kill the thrust at the exact
very moment
L350[18:02:17] <hatrix> I usually throttle
down the engine and finish with RCS
L351[18:02:19] <JVFoxy> but anyways
L352[18:02:24] <hatrix> which you can also
throttle down
L353[18:03:11] <JVFoxy> oh I know..
L354[18:04:12] <JVFoxy> its just a lot of
work... when you do get things in right place, still have to go
back occasionally to tweak... probe isn't smart enough to do it for
you
L355[18:04:40] <JVFoxy> easier to pull up
cheat menu, tell it the exact orbit, then forget about it. (at
least for geo stationary)
L356[18:05:07] <JVFoxy> although, I'd only
do that once I at least get as close to the orbit as I can mentally
stand
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back
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