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L6[01:35:12] <Althego> lol i cant get to
eve
L7[01:35:27] <Althego> the alexmoon
calculator gives an obviously wrong date
L8[01:36:02] <Althego> at that point eve is
ahead of me and it should be behind
L9[01:36:19] <Althego> and i cant get an
encounter
L10[01:36:43] <Althego> and i have been
there many times
L11[01:36:51] <JVFoxy> oof...
L12[01:43:30] <Althego> ok got something
with trial and error about 213 days earlier
L13[01:58:22] <JVFoxy> attempting something
a little more... 'local' seeing how badly I can make a boat.
L14[02:00:16] <Althego> hehe
L15[02:00:21] <Althego> easily, everything
floats
L16[02:00:31] <Althego> not as much as they
used to, but still
L17[02:00:51] <JVFoxy> may float.. still
gotta deal with balance and asthetics
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L19[02:01:08] <Althego> hydrofoils
work
L20[02:01:21] <JVFoxy> then matter of
getting it to the water.. (in stock)
L21[02:01:35] <Althego> put on landing
gear
L22[02:01:55] <JVFoxy> well ... so much for
using wing parts.
L23[02:02:14] <JVFoxy> lol.. little boat,
actually looks good, wants to lift off even at 30m/s
L24[02:02:36] <Althego> yes that is the
biggest problem
L25[02:02:39] <Althego> everything
flies
L26[02:02:54] <Althego> so why would you
waste fuel by floating in a water that slows you down?
L27[02:03:43] <JVFoxy> testing out what I
could do
L28[02:04:51] <JVFoxy> everyone's all
gun-ho about space, other planets. Some reason got in my head to
see what sorta things I could for supporting a polar statoin
L29[02:05:06] <Althego> become a
submariner
L30[02:05:28] <JVFoxy> got a c-5 galaxy
like plane for cargo, suppose I could fly a tiny heli over.
L31[02:05:32] <Althego> we still dont have
ballast tanks in stock, except for the ore tanks
L32[02:08:18] <JVFoxy> welp... wing
sections for out hull... fail
L33[02:08:35] <Althego> water always leaks
in
L34[02:08:43] <Althego> but that shouldnt
worry you too much
L35[02:08:53] <Althego> and yes, anything
with lift is going to fly
L36[02:09:10] <JVFoxy> leaks? pah.. more
like wings pulling too many directions, ship wants to roll one way,
steer another. No control
L37[02:09:31] <JVFoxy> and ya.. I had
'rudders' but they did natta
L38[02:31:56] <JVFoxy> huh ok.. takes 8
monster wheels to get it to the water but.. it floats and actually
cruises pretty good on the water at 56m/s
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L41[03:23:26] <JVFoxy> eh well.. enough
messing around...
L42[03:28:04] <Althego> i think i need
ducted fans on duna
L43[03:28:17] <Althego> if the do
anything
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L48[03:42:53] <JVFoxy> powered how..? fuel
or electric?
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L50[03:48:18] <Althego> the dlc
electric
L51[03:48:29] <Althego> they seem to add
some thrust on kerbin
L52[03:49:12] <JVFoxy> ah
L53[03:49:55] <JVFoxy> boat I had done.. 52
m/s, enough fuel for 10 hours full power running. ugh.. 1500km or
so range..
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L57[04:10:00] <Althego> the ducted fans
sure have power compared to normal props
L58[04:10:13] <Althego> but hom am i going
to pack this inside a fairing
L59[04:10:47] <Althego> maybe with 4 of the
largest i could fly on duna
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L61[04:12:13] <Althego> but the ducts seem
too big for the blades. strangely they are a good fit for the
normal props
L62[04:13:20] <JVFoxy> can't say I've seen
the design of plane or ducted fan part
L63[04:14:14] <Althego> but this looks
dumb. the whole point of the duct is to be really close to the tip
of the blade
L64[04:14:15] <Althego> s
L65[04:14:40] <JVFoxy> tip.. blade... eh..
this engines on rotor tips sorta thing or?
L66[04:19:35] <Althego> and the duct also
make it almost impossible to click on the engine inside
L67[04:20:28] <JVFoxy> normally I tend to
think duct fan as engine in duct and part of plane body instead of
on rotor.
L68[04:20:50] <JVFoxy> I understand on
rotor if wanna do vtol and dont' wanna deal with body torque
L69[04:21:05] <Althego> that is it. you
dont put the duct on the engine, you put the engine inside the
duct
L70[04:21:32] <Althego> once there the
blades and the duct and the things behind the engine like wings
block the engine completely from a click
L71[04:21:55] <Althego> you have to move
the camera inside the duct to click it
L72[04:22:33] <Althego> and because of the
rotatinal difference the engine is not even a symmetric part, so
you have to do this at least twice
L73[04:23:11] <JVFoxy> self built duct or..
part that fits over the engine?
L74[04:23:20] <Althego> the dlc part
L75[04:23:28] <Althego> a self build duct
wouldnt do anything
L76[04:23:40] <Althego> because of the lack
of true airflow simulatin
L77[04:23:56] <JVFoxy> wasn't sure.. since
I haven't seen anything
L78[04:24:20] <JVFoxy> engine+rotor self
built then the shroud?
L80[04:26:24] <JVFoxy> ooooh
L81[04:26:30] <Althego> also there are too
many parts in the aero section, it should be split to lift and
propulsion
L82[04:26:32] <JVFoxy> you know why they
did ducted fan designs?
L83[04:26:48] <Althego> in the game?
no
L84[04:27:36] <Althego> but i guess they
wanted to make a way to really fly on duna. even with 8 8 bladed
engines it was really hard
L85[04:27:56] <JVFoxy> well in game.. eh..
IRL, shroud is build pretty close the blade tips. The idea is to
stop tip vortices
L86[04:28:13] <Althego> that is what i
said. normally you would have them close
L87[04:28:36] <Althego> there are normal
prop blades which fit in it better
L88[04:29:15] <JVFoxy> nearly every
commerical aircraft engine is like that ;P
L89[04:29:16] <Althego> the medium duct is
too small for these
L90[04:29:40] <JVFoxy> you running
stock+DLC only?
L91[04:29:44] <Althego> yes
L92[04:30:24] <JVFoxy> ah.. was thinking
tweakscale mighta helped but eh
L93[04:32:23] <Althego> actually these are
the biggest ducted blades, but they have lift comparable to the
biggest non ducted blade, which are bigger than the duct
L94[04:32:53] <JVFoxy> erk
L95[04:33:08] <JVFoxy> sorry i just stuck
with stock for the time being.. sigh
L96[04:34:36] <JVFoxy> would love to try
something with blades and rotors though. For now, just one or two
mods
L97[04:35:20] <Althego> maybe i put 4 of
the smallers on
L98[04:35:32] <Althego> that wouldnt look
this dumb
L99[04:39:10] <JVFoxy> zoom...
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L104[05:17:04] <Althego> with the 4 ducted
fans it is ok to fly on duna at low altitudes
L105[05:17:37] <Althego> still dont know
how to land like a plane safely without parachutes slowing down the
plane instantly
L106[05:18:32] <JVFoxy> not enough air
pressure to land normally?
L107[05:18:49] <Althego> this plane has
something with the gear
L108[05:18:50] <Althego> s
L109[05:18:59] <Althego> landed at 50 m/s
quite good for duna
L110[05:19:17] <JVFoxy> massive flaps?
-shrug
L111[05:19:25] <Althego> the back wheels
threw the nose instantly to the ground
L112[05:19:44] <Althego> the tail jumped
up and that was it
L113[05:19:49] <JVFoxy> oh.. eh...
L114[05:19:53] <Althego> but the fans work
way better than expected
L115[05:20:05] <JVFoxy> don't know then. I
never flew on duna myself
L116[05:20:43] <Althego> maybe have to
change the spring constant
L117[05:20:54] <JVFoxy> I only hope the
place isn't too chaotically hilly on ya
L118[05:21:54] <JVFoxy> maybe a little
spring but also bump up the dampeners a little too
L119[05:22:36] <JVFoxy> not sure if it
does it in current versions but I remember when the springs
bottomed down, it would shoot things back up
L120[05:24:34] <Althego> probably that is
what happens
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L132[06:41:17] <Althego> the damper
helped
L133[06:41:22] <Althego> wingtips hit the
ground :)
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L137[06:47:54] <Guest14065> Ciao
cosmonauti
L138[06:49:31] <Althego> hi
L139[06:49:32] <Mod9000> Hello,
Althego
L140[06:49:34] <Althego> oh no
L141[06:49:58] <JVFoxy> ws
L142[06:50:04] <JVFoxy> blateg
L143[06:50:20] <JVFoxy> uh wha.. ugh,
maybe I should get some rest....
L144[06:50:28] <Althego> hehe
L145[06:50:35] <Althego> i think i am
going to have a nap too
L146[06:50:50] <JVFoxy> almost 5am
here...
L147[06:50:57] <Althego> if i folded the
wings right before landing they wouldnt be able to hit the
ground
L148[06:52:32] <JVFoxy> maybe I'll poke
through CKAN another time for this project wanna do. If I could
ever find motivation.. but anyways
L149[06:53:24] <JVFoxy> I just don't wanna
end up so bogged down in a lot of mods..
L150[06:53:34] <JVFoxy> all the
best..
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L154[07:26:20] <hatrix> uuuuh ok
L155[07:26:22] <hatrix> I time
warped
L156[07:26:25] <hatrix> the wheels
exploded
L158[07:27:08] <hatrix> how did that
happen?
L159[07:31:28] <hatrix> ah, maybe I didn't
stop the ISRU
L160[07:31:31] <hatrix> that would make
sense
L161[07:47:44] <hatrix> anyone tried
running KSP on Wayland?
L162[08:02:11] <Mat2ch> Shouldn't make a
difference, just a dip performance-wise
L163[08:15:09] <hatrix> no gain to change
from xorg then?
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L166[08:42:41] <Nascarlaser1> would
someone be willing to help me with a modding/config editing issue I
created?
L167[08:43:20] <hatrix> just give a link
and someone will look into it I guess
L168[08:43:34] <hatrix> asking to ask will
get you nowhere :)
L169[08:43:38] <Nascarlaser1> sorry
L170[08:43:42] <hatrix> no worries
L171[08:43:44] <Mat2ch> hatrix: it's not
very well optimised yet. But there should be already an opengl
passthrough integrated so there shouldn't be too much of a
performance penalty
L172[08:44:08] <Nascarlaser1> Does anyone
have an unedited version of the config file for the Air intake
Radial XM-G50 part?
L173[08:44:27] <Nascarlaser1> I was
editing config files last night for my own resource I'm trying to
add to the game, but now the game itself wont load
L174[08:44:47] <Nascarlaser1> The yellow
loading bar gets stuck at around halfway,and the file that it stops
on is this one specifically
L175[08:45:06] <Nascarlaser1> I dont know
what I did wrong,but I'm hoping that by putting the original config
back it will atleast let the game load
L176[08:45:21] <hatrix> the .cfg?
L177[08:45:25] <Nascarlaser1> yes
L179[08:45:34] <hatrix> in
GameData/Squad/Parts/Aero/airIntakeRadialXM-G50/airIntakeRadialXM-G50.cfg
L180[08:45:36] <Nascarlaser1> I was trying
to turn the air intake into a resource collector
L181[08:46:06] <Nascarlaser1> ok thanks
:D
L182[08:46:52] <Nascarlaser1> here is my
version of the cfg is anyone would be willing to see if they can
find what I did wrong
L184[08:47:42] <Nascarlaser1> am reloading
the game now with the original cfg
L185[08:47:44] <Nascarlaser1> thxs hatrix
:D
L186[08:47:53] <hatrix> thank me when it
works
L187[08:50:29] <Nascarlaser1> it worked
:D
L188[08:50:34] <Nascarlaser1> now to
figure out what I broke lol
L189[08:51:05] <hatrix> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L190[08:51:07] <hatrix> glhf I guess
L191[08:51:16] <Althego> 33 m/s. slowest
landing on duna yet. and the back still jumped up
L192[08:51:35] <Althego> therefore i
abandon this wheel dsign
L193[08:51:50] <hatrix> how can you land
so fast?
L194[08:57:26] <Althego> normally you can,
that is really slow on duna
L195[08:57:58] <Althego> the problem is
the back gear shootign the back of the craft up, thus crashing the
nose to the ground
L196[08:58:05] <Althego> this would never
happen anywhere
L197[09:01:58] <Nascarlaser1> Game works
^^
L198[09:01:59] <Nascarlaser1> I broke the
ISRU and drill XD, but the game itself loads
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L200[09:08:49] <Althego> with smaller gear
the effect is greatly reduced, thus managed to land
L201[09:09:28] <hatrix> I'm doing my first
Jool mission, going to Pol :)
L202[09:13:21] <Althego> and it cant
really take off lol
L203[09:13:32] <hatrix> twr?
L204[09:13:32] <Althego> i guess i have to
add a fifth lifting fan
L205[09:13:59] <Althego> it takes too long
to take off and over 40 m/s it is quite unstable on the
ground
L206[09:14:12] <Althego> all those bumps
and stuff
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L209[09:35:55] <hatrix> ok so for Jool you
really need the big relay dishes
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L215[10:49:37] <hatrix> let's hope the
lander has been well designed
L216[10:51:38] <Althego> bop has tourist
sights, unlike pol
L217[10:51:55] <hatrix> I like the color
of Pol
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L219[11:14:29] <hatrix> why is my lander
so jiggly?
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L221[11:28:04] <Althego> use
autostruts?
L222[11:30:21] <hatrix> I'll try
that
L223[11:30:38] <hatrix> I went to Pol
_once_ and I got a contract to mine Laythe and bring the ore in
orbit of Jool haha
L224[11:30:58] <Althego> relatively
simple
L225[11:31:33] <Althego> jets work fine on
laythe, and it has low gravity anyway, so goin into orbit and
escaping is quite easy
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L228[11:45:15] <hatrix> I need to work on
my SPH skills then
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L230[11:57:30] <hatrix> what could be nice
to have in a base on Duna?
L231[11:57:46] <hatrix> I've gor fuel,
ore, monoprop, mobile lab, a miner
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L241[12:40:41] <kmath> YouTube - Starship
SN3 Moves To Launch Pad Timelapse
L242[12:40:44] <Mat2ch> It's happening!
\o/
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L245[13:23:35] <kmath> YouTube - Starship
SN3 Lifted to Test Stand at SpaceX Boca Chica Sunday March 29
L246[13:23:44] <Mat2ch> I'd like to cite
Carl Cox here: Oh yes, oh yes, oh yes!
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L253[14:28:04] <hatrix> I had another
contract to expand it :)
L254[14:28:49] <Althego> hop on the train
:)
L255[14:29:08] <hatrix> and thanks to that
mobile lab I just finished the tech tree
L256[14:29:14] <hatrix> I can die
happy
L257[14:29:19] <Althego> hehe
L258[14:29:32] <Althego> you cvan finish
that without ever leaving the krbin soi
L259[14:29:46] <hatrix> really? only with
the biomes of the moons?
L260[14:29:54] <Althego> there is a ton on
minmus
L261[14:30:06] <hatrix> that requires
hopping everywhere
L262[14:30:07] <Althego> an east to reach
with a biome hopper
L263[14:30:13] <Althego> easy
L264[14:30:18] <hatrix> but boring
L265[14:30:22] <Althego> you need to do
that around twice
L266[14:30:31] <Althego> then a bit later
when you get the gravity thing
L267[14:30:44] <Althego> ok that is 3
tiems
L268[14:31:04] <Althego> i hate it that i
always miss one of the flatlands
L269[14:31:13] <Althego> then i have to
search which one i missed
L270[14:33:24] <hatrix> easy fix: don't do
that
L271[14:36:20] <Althego> but o have to
collect the biome data
L272[14:36:35] <Althego> one of the most
boring part is the dual gravity probes
L273[14:36:56] <Althego> 2 in low and high
orbit above the mun, 2 in high and low orbit above minmus
L274[14:37:11] <Althego> the mun has
something like 17 biomes
L275[14:37:46] <hatrix> I usually discard
any contract related to biomes
L276[14:37:59] <Althego> this is not
contract
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L278[14:38:17] <Althego> the gravioli
detectors comes very late
L279[14:38:27] <hatrix> so you inflict
that upon yourself?
L280[14:38:40] <Althego> but it gices a
lot of science
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L286[15:48:59] <Althego> the vustom action
groups for robotics
L287[15:49:22] <Althego> they only work on
one side of a symmetric group
L288[15:49:27] <Althego> is that a
bug?
L289[15:49:51] <Althego> i wanted to build
a vtol with rotating fans, but of course that is not possible this
way
L290[15:50:32] <Althego> unless i decouple
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