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L23[04:54:06] <hatrix> packbart: do you
really think people would read that?
L24[04:57:39] <hatrix> all I see is RP
though
L25[04:57:52] <hatrix> I prefer to just
detail what I'm doing
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L27[05:19:42] <JVFoxy> ... couldn't sleep.
Anyone else having same problem?
L28[05:20:28] <hatrix> it's 11:21 here, so
not really
L29[05:20:53] <JVFoxy> 0321 here...
L30[05:20:58] <hatrix> oups
L31[05:21:32] <JVFoxy> crashed midnight...
ended up laying there awake for a bit. Then stupid heartburn and
now.. awake. Started poke'n web for ideas on kerbal boats.
L32[05:21:34] <hatrix> it's saturday, I
guess you can just stay up until you're tired
L33[05:25:10] <Althego> yes, almost time
for lunch
L34[05:25:20] <Althego> although i did wake
up around 2 once today
L35[05:25:27] <Althego> but i could go back
to sleep
L36[05:25:46] <Althego> also silly dst
coming up
L37[05:25:48] <JVFoxy> lucky
L38[05:25:55] <Althego> still a year until
we can get rid of that
L39[05:25:56] <JVFoxy> eh.. already went
through dst
L40[05:26:09] <Althego> and of course
because of brexit, englad is going to stay on dst
L41[05:26:12] <hatrix> what's dst?
L42[05:26:22] <JVFoxy> daylight savings
time
L43[05:26:24] <Althego> so they managed to
this part of it the worse way too
L44[05:26:25] <hatrix> oh
L45[05:26:38] <hatrix> oh that's
tomorrow
L46[05:26:42] <JVFoxy> Althego wait.. your
DST kicks off different time than us?
L47[05:26:51] <Althego> yes, american dst
is different time
L48[05:27:00] <Althego> there is a week or
two when they not in sync
L49[05:27:09] <Althego> why do i keep
missing words?
L50[05:27:10] <JVFoxy> ok.. didn't know
that. (canada) we had our shift ahead first weekend of the
month
L51[05:27:24] <JVFoxy> also talk about
dumping it as well
L52[05:28:58] <Althego> since yesterday i
have a slightly sore throat and a strange itch in my lungs when i
breath in. even though i only go out to buy food
L53[05:29:04] <hatrix> I mainly don't care
about DST, it's automatic everywhere and I don't see it
L54[05:29:11] <hatrix> except my old
car
L55[05:29:23] <hatrix> stay at home then
:)
L56[05:29:30] <Althego> automatic
everywhere except on you
L57[05:29:49] <JVFoxy> we had convention
first weekend of march. second weekend something hit me, but it
also hit a ton of people seemingly all over the place
randomly.
L58[05:30:14] <hatrix> I adapt rather
quickly, I really don't see the impact on my body
L59[05:30:18] <hatrix> do you?
L60[05:30:31] <Althego> slightly in onde
direction
L61[05:30:37] <hatrix> it's just like
suddenly "oh, there's sun now"
L62[05:31:02] <Althego> but completely
pointless because in the winter it is always dark in the morning
and in the afternoon, so that 1 hour doesnt do anything. rather
shrinking work hours would
L63[05:31:35] <Althego> something happened
to the props in 1.9
L64[05:31:41] <JVFoxy> heh, go far north
enough, day.. night, depending on how far into winter or summer,
won't matter
L65[05:31:44] <Althego> i had to rotate the
mirrored side manually
L66[05:31:57] <Althego> and take back the
reversed deploy direction
L67[05:32:12] <JVFoxy> Althego which
mod?
L68[05:32:26] <hatrix> JVFoxy: I love that
about Estonia, you could still read outside at 23 :)
L69[05:32:45] <Althego> the dlc
L70[05:32:54] <hatrix> money boy
L71[05:33:00] <JVFoxy> oh.. yet to get
DLC.. I've been messing with airplanes plus
L72[05:33:53] <hatrix> I've got a lot of
contracts like "mine x amount of ore", I should get a
drain valve on my miners to be able to mine infinitely for next
contracts
L73[05:34:20] <hatrix> there's nothing like
depleting a soil of its resources and throwing it away
L74[05:34:25] <JVFoxy> I'm only at the 49th
on west coast... things aren't ... too bad. Though could do with
less rain
L75[05:34:37] <Althego> but dont you need
to take the mined matwerial somewhere?
L76[05:34:47] <hatrix> this doesn't speak
to me JVFoxy, what city?
L77[05:34:54] <hatrix> Althego: not for
some contracts
L78[05:35:08] <hatrix> "Extract 600
units of fresh ore from The Mun"
L79[05:35:10] <JVFoxy> Hatrix west coast
BC, Canada, down by the US border near Vancouver
L80[05:35:26] <hatrix> oh right, you told
me already, I should write that somewhere
L81[05:35:48] <JVFoxy> s'alright
L82[05:36:04] <hatrix> won't forget anymore
:)
L83[05:37:35] <JVFoxy> I had to take down
names, aliases onto a note pad for a time, while back. I'd met so
many people, ended up meeting them across different mediums as well
but some were under other names
L84[05:38:13] <hatrix> I remember meeting
two guys and realising years later they were the same
L85[05:38:15] <JVFoxy> Althego: what you
making that needs multi rotors anyways if I can poke?
L86[05:38:33] <JVFoxy> heh
L87[05:38:56] <Althego> nothing, i just
loaded up some airplanes and they had lopsided thrust
L88[05:39:58] <Althego> because i thought i
shouldnt work threough the weekend the 5th time in a row :)
L89[05:40:33] <hatrix> what is the easiest
body to reach in the Jool system?
L90[05:40:48] <JVFoxy> remember when I
downloaded a few 737s for flightsim98 back in the day. all had the
engine thrustline on one side put in the wrong place. Turns out
someone forgot to flip the negative for one of the
coordinates
L91[05:43:25] <Althego> at least have proof
now, that you can work from home. all thet useless commute was for
nothing. and air pollution became a lot better
L92[05:44:08] <JVFoxy> depends on the
job... i work out of a temp office, labor... pays crap but ...
eh
L93[05:44:36] <hatrix> working from home is
definitely possible but it's way better at the lab
L94[05:44:49] <hatrix> you need to see
people to work on some stuff at some point
L95[05:45:05] <Althego> i dont
L96[05:45:15] <hatrix> depends what you
work on once again
L97[05:45:25] <JVFoxy> I keep meaning to
record videos of some KSP play but... loose steam pretty quickly,
figuring other people done better jobs at things
L98[05:47:04] <Mat2ch> Althego: but not
everyone has a room to use as home office
L99[05:47:26] <Althego> one guy on irc
moved into the office instead :)
L100[05:47:29] <JVFoxy> my room is my
office.. though I'm sort of lucky: loft bed over computer
station
L101[05:47:45] <Mat2ch> but yes, being
present in the office is not necessary to work on something
L102[05:48:19] <Althego> unless something
breaks down. and we dont have a sysadmin at the moment
L103[05:48:24] <hatrix> we definitely need
white boards and people to ask stuff around
L104[05:48:40] <Mat2ch> some bosses think
that. But wether I'm watching youtube videos at work or at home,
where is the difference? ;)
L105[05:48:49] <hatrix> eh :)
L106[05:48:49] <Althego> hehe
L107[05:48:58] <Mat2ch> hatrix: online
whiteboards and video conferences
L108[05:49:04] <Althego> whiteboards...
there are a ton of issue tracking systems
L109[05:49:14] <hatrix> that's not the
same Mat2ch :/
L110[05:49:17] <Mat2ch> it is
L111[05:49:21] <hatrix> Althego: not for
issues
L112[05:49:45] <hatrix> for physics or
maths
L113[05:49:51] <Mat2ch> it's just in your
head that you need the whiteboard, because you think of it as a
space where you can relax and focus
L114[05:49:53] <hatrix> or to draw to
explain stuff
L115[05:50:01] <Mat2ch> shared online
whiteboards
L116[05:50:10] <Mat2ch> and a standing
desk, so you can still walk around.
L117[05:50:14] <Mat2ch> And a big screen
;)
L118[05:50:33] <Mat2ch> We also need much
much better videoconferencing hardware and software
L119[05:50:38] <Mat2ch> mostly better
hardware
L120[05:50:50] <hatrix> I'm ok with better
hardware
L121[05:50:52] *
JVFoxy keeps hitting F5 on youtube recommended page. Ugh... nothing
interesting
L122[05:50:55] <hatrix> current situation
isn't great for that
L123[05:51:24] <Althego> so spacex manned
launch may happen a bit later
L124[05:51:29] <Mat2ch> good cameras, with
anti glare, good autofocus and white-balancing. Very good
microphones with pop filters
L125[05:51:40] <Althego> first because the
extended mission, but we already knew that a while ago
L126[05:51:54] <Althego> the last test of
the parachute system failed. or rather didnt take place
L127[05:52:00] <Mat2ch> and good speakers
and a noise-cancelation system
L128[05:52:10] <Althego> the helicopter
pilot released the test capsule because of some wind or
something
L129[05:52:11] <Mat2ch> noise and
echo-cancelation system
L130[05:52:27] <Althego> so it was not set
up yet and the parachutes didnt deploy
L131[05:52:47] <hatrix>
"oops"
L132[05:52:55] <Mat2ch> you would think
that they would install a remote to deploy...
L133[05:53:08] <Althego> wouldnt have
helped
L134[05:53:17] <Althego> need to have
specific conditions ofr a test
L135[05:53:25] <Mat2ch> Could have saved
the system
L136[05:53:35] <Mat2ch> so repackage and
redo the test
L137[05:53:52] <Althego> probably it is
mostly a test article
L138[05:54:02] <Althego> so they just need
to build a new one
L139[05:57:23] <Mat2ch> I bet it's a bit
harder than that :/
L141[06:00:31] <kmath> YouTube - more
animations test
L142[06:01:10] <Althego> can the ears
move?
L143[06:01:23] <hatrix> how can I know
what velocity a craft needs to be in orbit at a certain
height?
L144[06:03:03] <Mat2ch> hatrix: you can
calculate that
L145[06:03:13] <hatrix> a, v = sqrt((G *
mass) / distance)
L146[06:03:35] <Althego> for a circular
orbit
L147[06:03:53] <hatrix> the Δv map is
quite helpful but I'd like to have precise landings
L148[06:04:53] <JVFoxy> Fluburtur: huh...
never thought you were
L150[06:06:34] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: how can
you breath in it?
L151[06:07:01] <JVFoxy> I'm sure there is
some venting somewhere. -also a maker.. well its been a
while-
L152[06:10:10] <hatrix> hmm another
question, how do I calculat how much Δv I need to go from orbit to
the ground? If I kill my velocity I'd still get accelerated because
of the gravity
L153[06:11:22] <JVFoxy> eh... accelerated
because of gravity only because you probably already falling
down
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L155[06:21:14] <JVFoxy> Fluburtur: do'n ok
there?
L156[06:21:27] <Althego> ah, it must be an
elaborate anti virus mask :)
L157[06:21:55] <Althego> and people dont
go near if they see you in that, so antoher layer of protection
:)
L158[06:23:42] <hatrix> 550m/s at 14km
above the Mun sounds correct no?
L159[06:26:11] <packbart> right
L160[06:26:49] <Althego> to be honest a
few km there make a very little difference
L161[06:27:47] <hatrix> 510m/s at 50km
apparently
L162[06:29:21] <JVFoxy> Althego: well
technically I guess you could add filters to things... but would
anyone know?
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L165[06:30:37] <hatrix> I got the same
values at the Δv map :)
L167[06:30:56] <hatrix> which apparently
assumes landings at ~10m/s
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L169[06:31:39] <hatrix> I'm using the
vis-viva yep packbart
L170[06:32:48] <JVFoxy> can also depend
how much of a suicide burn you do...
L171[06:33:16] <hatrix> yeah that's
completly suicide burn values
L172[06:33:40] <hatrix> how come the ΔV
value is only 580 for the Mun then?
L173[06:35:27] <JVFoxy> in regards to..
orbit to surface or?
L174[06:36:19] <hatrix> from a 14km orbit
to land
L175[06:37:37] <JVFoxy> ya.. its a base
value. It can vary a little bit depending on some factors.
L176[06:38:12] <JVFoxy> which way you
orbit compared to the spin, how exact you hit your retro burn that
it lands you exactly at 0m/s.
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L178[06:39:34] *
JVFoxy huhs.. the interactive delta v map page no longer
working..
L179[06:39:43] <hatrix> oh I forgot to
take into account the angular velocity
L180[06:40:56] <hatrix> ok it's 9m/s on
the Mun, which gives us exactly 580m/s
L181[06:40:59] <hatrix> problem solved,
thanks JVFoxy
L182[06:42:44] <JVFoxy> heh.. um well
right then
L183[06:45:20] <hatrix> could some planets
have an angular velocity higher than the minimum orbital one?
L184[06:45:27] <hatrix> i.e. rotating too
fast to land on
L185[06:46:18] <Fluburtur> Mat2ch quite
well actually, I have a fan at the bottom of the visor that pulls
air out
L186[06:46:18] <Fluburtur> JVFoxy
oh?
L187[06:47:02] <JVFoxy> Fluburtur: oh
heya.. um oh.. what?
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L190[07:14:23] <darsie> hatrix: That's
possible for 'minor' planets, i.e. "asteroids", if they
can keep themselves together. Otherwise they'd disintegrate.
L191[07:17:13] <hatrix> would be fun to
have a planet like that in KSP
L192[07:17:25] <hatrix> you'd have to fire
the engines to stay on the ground
L193[07:18:38] <darsie> It would be
unrealistic, though, for planets large enough for significant
gravity, i.e. large enough to get into hydrostatic
equilibrium.
L194[07:19:35] <darsie> But asteroids like
Psyche, probably being the bare metal core of a protoplanet after a
collision, might be what you're after.
L195[07:20:29] <JVFoxy> seem to recall
either scott or kottabosgames talking about moonlets having high
spin rate and how'd they keep together
L196[07:20:49] <JVFoxy> or if they even
could... probably was something Scott youtubed
L197[07:20:57] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: that's
quiet a good idea. You should tell Adam Savage about this. He
always seems to be sweating a lot in his costumes ;)
L199[07:21:11] <darsie> Equatorial escape
velocity ~180 m/s
L200[07:21:11] <darsie> Equatorial surface
gravity ~0.015 g
L201[07:21:32] <hatrix> well, KSP isn't
too realistic already, I'd be fine with a weird planet
L202[07:21:33] <darsie> Doesn't spin fast
enough.
L203[07:21:40] <Mat2ch> Iron you say?
Let's mine it!
L204[07:22:32] <JVFoxy> more like
blowtorch
L205[07:23:30] <JVFoxy> be kinda cool
trying out designs for an asteroid base. Would it having a spinning
habitat section?
L206[07:23:57] <Althego> is there a way to
deflate of explode the inflatable heatshield?
L207[07:24:05] <Althego> i tried pointing
rockets at it
L208[07:24:06] <darsie> hatrix: I'd like a
moon below the Roche limit, so you'd float off at the near/far
side. But that requires 3-body simulation.
L209[07:24:08] <Althego> doesnt want
to
L210[07:24:14] <Althego> not even the heat
bar appear
L211[07:24:14] <Althego> s
L212[07:24:51] <hatrix> oh funny
L213[07:24:52] <JVFoxy> deflate or just
wanna get rid of it?
L214[07:24:59] <darsie> Althego: Pretty
much everything explodes if heated too much by aerobraking.
L215[07:25:03] <Althego> deflate would be
equivalent of getting rid of
L216[07:25:14] <Althego> the dynamic
pressure on it makes it really hard to detach
L217[07:25:19] <JVFoxy> I know stock
inflated heatshield can go back down again, but you can eject
it
L218[07:25:43] <JVFoxy> parachutes to put
some pull on the craft so you can drop it?
L219[07:25:48] <Althego> you know since it
is at the bottom air presses it on you
L220[07:26:19] <JVFoxy> find it.. annoying
with heatshields in general.. you go to eject, it shoots ahead then
comes back and slams against commandpod, blowing it up
L221[07:26:59] <darsie> turn first
L222[07:27:42] <JVFoxy> gotta be able to
in the first place
L223[07:29:57] <hatrix> I put engines
sideways on my rocket for that JVFoxy
L225[07:32:22] <Fluburtur> besides the
under average vision, it is pretty nice
L226[07:32:25] <Fluburtur> well, air has
to be sucked in through the fur so that probably filters a
bit
L227[07:32:47] <Althego> why didnt oyu
make the ears movable
L228[07:33:12] <JVFoxy> Althego less
parts, less complication..
L229[07:33:19] <Althego> but whay
cooler
L230[07:33:32] <JVFoxy> perhaps... also
makes them more delicate
L231[07:34:16] <JVFoxy> I thought about
something similar for my fox head, but would have added a ton more
time to the project. I also wanted blinking eyes but that never got
finished.
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L235[08:49:34] <hatrix> that truck idea is
really great
L236[08:53:38] <darsie> :)
L237[08:53:48] <darsie> I tried to RMB
rotate that pic :).
L238[08:54:10] <hatrix> eheh
L239[08:54:11] <darsie> Can't see the
drill.
L240[08:54:17] <hatrix> other side of the
truck
L241[08:54:23] <darsie> ok
L242[08:54:23] <hatrix> oh actually
not
L243[08:54:27] <darsie> :)
L244[08:54:36] <hatrix> right above
isru
L245[08:54:49] <darsie> Ahh, that.
L246[08:54:53] <darsie> I don't use the
small stuff.
L247[08:55:01] <hatrix> I don't use the
big stuff
L248[08:55:05] <darsie> :)
L249[08:55:06] *
JVFoxy hmms, own pics gallery has some interesting crafts but
mostly from older versions of ksp
L250[08:55:16] <hatrix> too heavy and too
big
L251[08:55:32] <JVFoxy> also on other PC
which is off. I'd have to transfer files over to laptop to share as
well. :\
L252[08:56:00] <JVFoxy> big.. small..
geez
L253[08:57:40] <darsie> There's lots of
space in space ;).
L254[08:58:34] <JVFoxy> ya but gravity is
a serious pain if not careful
L255[09:02:39] *
JVFoxy mms.. speaking of space, thinks back to pictures of large
stale stellar structures.
L256[09:02:57] <JVFoxy> ... large /scale/
ugh.. ok finally getting tired.
L257[09:04:43] <JVFoxy> picture rendering
that spans just a little over 1 billion light years across...
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L275[12:40:21] <hatrix> impacted the Mun
at 45m/s and bounced :D
L276[12:40:28] <hatrix> nothing broke, I'm
lucky
L278[12:45:09] <hatrix> aaand I forgot the
fuel cells…
L279[12:45:14] <hatrix> ah non
L280[12:46:04] <Althego> oh no i realized
the fix i made on thursday is not complete
L281[12:47:31] <hatrix> god this ISRU is
so slow, I should have taken the big one
L282[12:48:23] <hatrix> this thing will
take years to fill up
L283[12:52:40] <packbart> add an
engineer-in-a-can ;)
L284[12:55:33] <hatrix> I reverted, I'll
use a proper setup
L285[12:56:28] <hatrix> "This
converter discards 90% of the ore it processes; only converting 10%
of the ore into fuel." :[
L286[12:56:49] <hatrix> on Duna it's OK
because the days are longer, on the Mun the fuel cells eat up
everything
L287[12:59:01] <hatrix> or is there
actually another reason?
L288[12:59:13] <Althego> the mun's days
are way longer
L289[12:59:42] <hatrix> oh yes, it was the
other way around, 6 days instead or ~3 for Duna
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L299[15:44:42] <Nascarlaser31> o/
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L301[15:47:37] <Mat2ch> Hi
L302[15:47:40] <Mod9000> Hello,
Mat2ch
L303[15:49:32] <hatrix> my VAB is so
buggy
L304[15:49:39] <hatrix> the symmetry
stoped working, some parts disappear
L305[15:49:48] <hatrix> my truck spawns
inside the other craft
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L309[16:14:12] <Althego> scott
L310[16:14:21] <Althego> somehow i was
still awake
L311[16:20:53] <hatrix> I hate this
game
L312[16:20:58] <hatrix> the VAB is
glitchy
L313[16:27:00] <Althego> usually that is
the safest place to be
L314[16:27:10] <Althego> bugs pop up
elsewhere more frequently
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L316[16:37:56] <darsie> hatrix: Yeah, they
often hit the bedrock.
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L319[16:54:35] <Mat2ch> hatrix: I had the
same thing
L320[16:54:43] <Mat2ch> I just reloaded
and it went away, for a while
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L347[20:18:33] <JVFoxy> soo.... was
wondering...
L348[20:18:52] <JVFoxy> anyone do much in
the way of colab's in KSP?
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L360[21:23:44] <JVFoxy> oof... so I guess
not then
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L366[22:26:32] *
JVFoxy lols.. looking through some old screen shots. Wondered where
got these tiny little cargo boxes from. Finds out its KIS that went
through tweekscale mod.. boxes were just regular sized shrunk
down.
L367[22:27:37] <JVFoxy> was thinking they
would have been a good size for cargo space on a tiny heli
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