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L27[03:57:01] <Judge_Dedd> I've decided to
actually use a Dv map for the first time, and I can't work out how
to read it. For example, how do I calculate the Dv budget needed
for a return from the surface of Mun?
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L29[03:58:57] <Althego> add the numbers as
you move towards your goal
L30[04:01:22] <Judge_Dedd> Althego, but
that means that I need 580+310+860 m/s from Mun to Kerbin
L31[04:01:30] <Althego> no
L32[04:01:33] <Judge_Dedd> Everyone always
says 1000 is plenty
L33[04:01:33] <Althego> because there is an
arrow
L34[04:01:38] <Althego> showing aerobreak
possible
L35[04:01:43] <Althego> then you dont need
to add those
L36[04:01:45] <Judge_Dedd> Oh right,
aerobraking
L37[04:02:09] <Althego> but that is your
choice, you can and sometimes have to break by fuel, say without
heatshields
L38[04:02:15] <Judge_Dedd> Good point,
thanks. So the numbers read both ways in the map
L39[04:02:34] <Althego> gravity is a
conservative force field in clasical mechanics
L40[04:02:38] <Althego> direction does not
matter
L41[04:02:55] <Judge_Dedd> So, conversely,
to get from LKO to Mun orbit would be 1170
L42[04:03:13] <Judge_Dedd> Then 580 to
land
L43[04:03:24] <Althego> sounds about
right
L44[04:03:30] <Judge_Dedd> Thanks
L45[04:03:40] <Althego> but in practice you
can go with 300 or less
L46[04:03:55] <Althego> because of
aero
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L48[04:05:22] <Judge_Dedd> Aero on
Mun?
L49[04:05:37] <Althego> ah i meant from mun
to kerbin
L50[04:05:40] <Judge_Dedd> :)
L51[04:05:49] <Althego> also remember that
landing usually takes more
L52[04:05:57] <Althego> because you never
land on a perfect trajectory
L53[04:06:22] <Althego> except if mechjeb
or something similar is doing it for you
L54[04:06:39] <Judge_Dedd> True, and I an
playing with no reverts, so I'll want an extra margin
L55[04:08:00] <packbart> my rough figures
are 900+300 from LKO to Mun, 800 to land, 600 to get back up and
300 to get back to Kerbin
L56[04:08:07] <packbart> so just about
~3000m/s
L57[04:09:23] <Judge_Dedd> Looks about
right
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L59[04:12:12] <Judge_Dedd> Thanks for the
help guys
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L62[04:14:15] <JVFoxy> ooof
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L65[04:20:03] <Judge_Dedd> Hmm... does
anyone know a way to make a faring larger than the engine it is
attached to?
L66[04:20:32] <Althego> you mean the auto
fairing?
L67[04:20:36] <Judge_Dedd> Yeah
L68[04:20:44] <Althego> no, that is
fixed
L69[04:20:54] <Althego> but you can turn it
off and use your own interstage fairing
L70[04:21:10] <Judge_Dedd> I have a small
engine attached to a bigger tank, so I want to interstage faring to
match the size
L71[04:21:14] <Judge_Dedd> of the
tank
L72[04:21:24] <packbart> I often use a
payload fairing for that
L73[04:21:30] <Althego> yes, that
L74[04:21:38] <Althego> you can shape that
to your liking
L75[04:21:50] <Judge_Dedd> I haven't
unlocked it yet
L76[04:22:03] <Althego> then add a
converter part
L77[04:22:10] <Althego> but i never use
those, they add mass :)
L78[04:22:28] <Judge_Dedd> Converter part?
You mean an adapter?
L79[04:22:31] <packbart> I've read of
people using the hollow tubes as interstage fairings
L80[04:22:32] <Althego> that
L81[04:22:45] <Judge_Dedd> Hrrm. I can't
see how an adapter would work
L82[04:23:08] <Althego> would decrease the
diameter at the end of the tank to the size of your engine
L83[04:23:29] <Judge_Dedd> Oh right.
L84[04:24:06] <Judge_Dedd> Well... I wanted
to make the rocket gradually get fatter towards the bottom, but I
suppose bulgy is preferable to downright odd
L85[04:26:04] <Judge_Dedd> Now I have to
find another way of fitting the landing legs...
L86[04:27:22] <Althego> where we are going
we dont need landing legs
L87[04:27:38] <Althego> these are not the
landing legs you are looking for
L88[04:28:24] <packbart> don't hide your
landing legs. they don't have that much drag in the atmosphere,
anyway
L89[04:28:24] <Judge_Dedd> Hehe
L90[04:28:51] <Judge_Dedd> I'm not trying
to hide them, I'm just trying to fit them. The adapter is sloped
inwards
L91[04:29:06] <Judge_Dedd> But I think the
legs can stretch to the ground from the part above, just
about
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L93[04:39:50] <kubi> soft landing is
overrated
L94[04:40:28] <Judge_Dedd> Well, not that
you say that, I only really need that engine for landing...
L95[04:40:34] <Judge_Dedd> not=now*
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with Mouse/Keyboard forwarding through synergy from another
computer. :) Fishing Planet does not :(
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