OCLogs: 2020-03-02.log

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L17[02:45:25] <Rolf> https://youtu.be/PT5UsfFEeQk lol

L18[02:45:26] <kmath> YouTube - First Time in 1.9 - Kerbal Space Program

L19[02:47:53] <Rolf> whoa. weird bug. you know what it means

L20[02:48:01] <Rolf> he will break ksp so badly again

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L35[05:35:41] <Rolf> https://youtu.be/JoeS0FV1pUw

L36[05:35:42] <kmath> YouTube - KSP - Single stage spaceplane to Tylo and Laythe: stock, non-refueled, round-trip

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L41[06:20:00] <hatrix> how do you plan such gravity assists?

L42[06:20:03] <hatrix> is there a tool for that?

L43[06:32:15] <Mat2ch> I guess that's just experience and many many tries

L44[06:32:49] <Mat2ch> but you can calculate this, at least for KSP

L45[06:38:10] <Mat2ch> and he says it in the video: He tries to do little corrections and get resonant orbits. Those orbits are known or at least caluatable

L46[06:38:16] <Mat2ch> *calculatable

L47[06:39:10] <Mat2ch> (a resonant orbit means that e.g. for every two times you orbit your target orbits one time or so)

L48[06:39:13] <Mat2ch> also: https://meyerweb.com/eric/ksp/resonant-orbits/

L49[06:40:02] <hatrix> yep, that website has been helpful for setting up relays

L50[06:40:57] <packbart> hatrix: some tools, from https://github.com/linuxgurugamer/KerbalSlingshotter (rather simple) to https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/topic/33568-- (moar complex)

L51[06:41:18] * packbart seldomly bothers with gravity assists

L52[06:46:53] <hatrix> man, why is the readme not telling me how to run the thing

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L57[07:38:05] <Deddly> Shame about all the part clipping in that video

L58[07:38:32] <Deddly> I get that it's still an incredible feat, but as soon as cheats are involved, I no longer feel like we're playing the same game.

L59[07:39:39] <Deddly> I would be more impressed with a non-cheaty but well-designed craft that uses staging than a part-clipped SSTO.

L60[07:44:36] <hatrix> I feel the same

L61[07:55:59] <Mat2ch> it's a tech demo somehow

L62[07:56:11] <Mat2ch> and yes, I'd like to have no more clipping for KSP2...

L63[07:59:31] <Deddly> I can deal with a little realistic clipping by using the move tool - like moving an RCS fuel tank into the empty space of a nose cone or something like that

L64[08:01:48] <Deddly> I used to have a tiny satellite that would just about fit underneath a Mk1 nosecone and stack decoupler. That was before we had fairings, so I was pretty proud of that :)

L65[08:02:50] * packbart likes to move a "Dumpling" tank between a probe core and RA-100 antenna

L66[08:03:10] <Mat2ch> Deddly: so we need a nose cone designer that can also make fairings out of it :D

L67[08:03:11] <packbart> it fits into the space with just a little clipping

L68[08:03:44] <Mat2ch> because the difference between a fairing and a nose cone is just the release mechanism...

L69[08:05:13] <Deddly> I don't think my satellite would fit anymore because they made the decouplers smaller. I'd have to use two of them

L70[08:07:22] <Deddly> Oh yeah, talking about using decouplers as fairings, did I ever show you guys this? https://imgur.com/a/utwTOoz

L71[08:07:22] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/7wESH13.png

L72[08:07:51] <Deddly> Tiny rocket that can take one Kerbal to LKO :)

L73[08:07:53] <packbart> it's... tiny?

L74[08:08:30] <Deddly> The Kerbal is on a chair inside the stack of decouplers that act as a fairing

L75[08:08:52] <hatrix> lol

L76[08:09:28] <Deddly> Basically, it's what Copenhagen Suborbitals would design if they ever go Orbital :)

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L81[09:16:06] * darsie starts KSP to one up that :).

L82[09:16:51] <hatrix> i'm looking for posters like that about science in general https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/visions-of-the-future/

L83[09:16:57] <hatrix> anyone has ideas?

L84[09:17:03] <hatrix> I've found some from CNES also

L85[09:19:57] <darsie> Tiny rocket to get one Kerbal to LKO: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot55.png Ok, the Kerbal has to complete the orbit with the jetpack, but there remains enough EVA fuel to deorbit.

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L87[09:20:35] <hatrix> that's cheap

L88[09:20:37] <darsie> It also needs to be flown very precisely, or not enough fuel will remain to deorbit alive.

L89[09:21:52] <hatrix> what's the Δv of a kerbal in vaccuum?

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L91[09:22:36] <darsie> 600 m/s

L92[09:22:41] <darsie> IIRC

L93[09:22:51] <hatrix> oh wow

L94[09:23:55] <darsie> A Kerbal can jetpack to orbit from The Mun.

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L96[09:26:19] <darsie> Deddly: That decoupler fairing is interesting. Might make using the ant more feasible.

L97[09:28:16] <Deddly> Nice rocket, darsie. where is the Kerbal?

L98[09:28:30] <darsie> At home. It's for tourists.

L99[09:28:47] <darsie> Goes to the command seat.

L100[09:28:58] <Deddly> Where is the command seat?

L101[09:29:01] <darsie> on top

L102[09:29:06] <darsie> hidden :)

L103[09:29:07] <Deddly> Oh right

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L105[09:29:10] <Deddly> LOL

L106[09:29:27] <Deddly> Well I wanted my Kerbal to have at least a little protection :)

L107[09:29:38] <darsie> Mine get a space suit :).

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L109[09:33:12] <Mat2ch> darsie: with only minor damage, right? ;)

L110[09:33:45] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti5dN97qs3w 2:30 h

L111[09:33:52] <Mat2ch> T-2:30h :P

L112[09:36:11] <darsie> Mat2ch: Well, almost burn up during reentry, and if they don't bring a chute, they impact at terminal velocity. They fall unconscious from that, but recover quickly ;).

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L114[09:56:48] <Deddly> I'm going to have to fire up that rocket again, it's been a while. I think I could land the "capsule" back on the ground

L115[09:57:22] <hatrix> ahah, found that from quite a while ago https://hatrix.fr/KSP/473218_165074123657319_1209403590_o.jpg

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L117[10:14:56] <Deddly> I have actually so far failed to find a use case for the big wheels in my games.

L118[10:15:21] <hatrix> dumb looking rockets :)

L119[10:16:56] <packbart> very heavy rovers

L120[10:16:59] <hatrix> i'm gonna buy this one I think https://www.redbubble.com/fr/shop/p/28112180.Y8UA9

L121[10:17:09] <packbart> the ruggedized wheels start to bounce around under load

L122[10:18:07] <Deddly> Do any wheels not?

L123[10:18:07] <Mat2ch> Deddly: I had one. But then KSP ate my rocket :P

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L128[11:05:12] <Althego> 55 minutes?

L129[11:05:41] <Mat2ch> No, 54!

L130[11:06:47] <Althego> butt according to nextrocket there is still more than 3 hours to go

L131[11:07:03] <Mat2ch> whaaaaaat

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L137[11:33:15] <Althego> finally, there is the scott video

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L139[12:04:02] <Mat2ch> Well, the stream hasn't started yet...

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L143[12:23:18] <Mat2ch> according to Astras twitter account coverage should start in 1:30 h

L144[12:23:27] <Mat2ch> 20:00 GMT

L145[12:23:57] <Althego> and launch in 2 hour

L146[12:23:59] <Althego> s

L147[12:24:05] <Mat2ch> yep

L148[12:24:06] <Althego> so i am going to go to bed before that

L149[12:24:42] <Mat2ch> hopefully the launch is made by people who wouldn't set the stream timer on youtube wrong.

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L151[12:37:30] <darsie> 10 kg decoupler has excessive drag: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot60.png 10 kg battery not: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot61.png

L152[12:37:48] <darsie> Both right after flameout.

L153[12:38:10] <darsie> Confirm?

L154[12:38:15] <Althego> hehe, flat earther: waves are caused by diamagnetism. they are caused by the wind, dude

L155[12:38:28] <darsie> Root part is the nose cone.

L156[12:40:17] <darsie> Nose cone, TD06 decoupler/battery, Oscar B, Spark.

L157[12:41:08] <darsie> What's your velocity/Ap after flameout?

L158[13:07:31] <hatrix> ok, now is the time to land this base from the start https://i.imgur.com/jpX408m.png

L159[13:07:45] <hatrix> I'm confident everything will work from start to end this time

L160[13:07:55] <Althego> hehe

L161[13:08:08] <hatrix> I've been on this thing for more than a month now T_T

L162[13:13:19] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-wBgsf8jWY

L163[13:13:19] <kmath> YouTube - Crew Dragon’s First Demonstration Mission | One-Year Launch Anniversary

L164[13:13:23] <Althego> ot has been a year?

L165[13:13:28] <Althego> that was fast

L166[13:13:38] <Althego> i guess i am starting to get old

L167[13:13:44] <darsie> hatrix: Did you calculate drag/weight?

L168[13:13:53] <hatrix> nope

L169[13:14:20] <hatrix> but this thing flies correctly on ascend, I've got no idea why

L170[13:14:29] <hatrix> you definitely need gimbals though

L171[13:22:15] <Althego> gimbals of steel :)

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L173[13:47:00] <Althego> 15 minutes until stream

L174[13:48:12] <Mat2ch> No, 13!

L175[13:48:14] <Mat2ch> :D

L176[13:48:28] <Mat2ch> Althego: are you staying awake for the launch?

L177[13:48:32] <Althego> no

L178[13:49:35] <hatrix> Ok, I'm on a circular orbit of ~101 - 110km around Eve

L179[13:49:40] <hatrix> and I've got 600m/s left :)

L180[13:51:41] <darsie> Go to hell!

L181[13:51:54] <Althego> meaning the surface of eve

L182[13:51:59] <darsie> ofc :)

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L184[13:53:50] <hatrix> I just need to know _when_ to enter the atmosphere

L185[13:53:56] <hatrix> I don't want to land on water

L186[13:54:22] <darsie> It's molten lead.

L187[13:54:34] <Mat2ch> quicksave and try, try and then try harder. :D

L188[14:17:36] <hatrix> https://i.imgur.com/2iLwxq8.png

L189[14:17:41] <hatrix> had to cut some parachutes but this looks good

L190[14:19:52] <hatrix> touchdown!!

L191[14:19:53] <hatrix> alive!!

L192[14:20:25] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti5dN97qs3w stream has started

L193[14:21:40] <hatrix> thanks to whoever recommended the struts to land instead of legs!

L194[14:21:44] <hatrix> https://i.imgur.com/mHqIO9z.png

L195[14:23:22] <hatrix> https://i.imgur.com/z7looIW.png

L196[14:33:05] <hatrix> I don't have enough batteries to have all the radiators + drills + ISRU

L197[14:33:17] <hatrix> with 1/4th of the radiators it works though https://i.imgur.com/JYz8Kxg.png

L198[14:34:31] <darsie> hatrix: yw :)

L199[14:36:20] <hatrix> is it considered cheating if I now transfer that craft from my sandbox to the career one?

L200[14:36:46] <darsie> You're the judge of that.

L201[14:37:03] <darsie> You mean the build file? I don't think that's cheating.

L202[14:37:04] <umaxtu> I personally wouldn't consider it cheating. as long as you've unlocked those parts

L203[14:37:17] <darsie> If there are locked parts, it won't launch.

L204[14:37:20] <hatrix> yes only the build

L205[14:37:33] <hatrix> I started testing in career mode but I lost about 1 million

L206[14:38:07] <darsie> I test a lot in career, but I load if tests fail.

L207[14:38:35] <darsie> Testing in sandboxs is good. It counts as simulation.

L208[14:38:53] <hatrix> I hope you like albums, I'm gonna make another one

L209[14:38:55] <hatrix> https://imgur.com/a/s5xZIct

L210[14:39:07] <hatrix> all resources to the max :)

L211[14:39:50] <darsie> How many struts exploded on landing?

L212[14:39:55] <hatrix> none

L213[14:40:01] <darsie> cool :)

L214[14:40:19] <hatrix> darsie: https://i.imgur.com/01QxQSc.png

L215[14:41:03] <darsie> :)

L216[14:41:48] <hatrix> I'm even impressed I managed to land elsewhere than on the heatshields I jettisoned

L217[14:43:01] <hatrix> I don't know what to do anymore with my life, it was centered on that mission :|

L218[14:43:25] <darsie> Try mind uploading.

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L220[14:43:51] <darsie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejIKy5R4uGM

L221[14:43:51] <kmath> YouTube - Aldehyde-Stabilized Cryopreservation is Cryonics for Uploaders

L222[14:44:35] <darsie> Bring a surface sample back to Kerbin.

L223[14:45:03] <hatrix> ahah, that's going to have to wait a bit :)

L224[14:45:09] <hatrix> like one or two months :D

L225[14:46:12] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti5dN97qs3w T-9 min!

L226[14:54:56] <Mat2ch> hoooold /o\

L227[15:04:45] <Deddly> Is there a way to reverse control surface functionality? I forget

L228[15:05:53] <Deddly> Ah, got it

L229[15:06:02] <Deddly> Get control authority to a negative number

L230[15:06:57] <Deddly> Except don't try and use it for roll, in that case...

L231[15:11:21] <Deddly> Oh, I missed the launch, didn't I?

L232[15:12:51] <UmbralRaptop> Did you recreate that one Протон?

L233[15:16:01] <hatrix> don't think so Deddly

L234[15:16:05] <hatrix> they just take their time

L235[15:16:13] <Deddly> Ah, ok

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L239[15:39:57] <Deddly> T-5 ?

L240[15:40:01] <Deddly> minutes

L241[15:40:02] <Deddly> Maybe

L242[15:42:42] <Deddly> Video stream says 15, heh

L243[15:44:36] <hatrix> https://imgur.com/a/TMXWeqN full album

L244[15:51:00] <Deddly> Wow, you landed the entire thing in one go?

L245[15:51:39] <Deddly> Are you planning on using it to refuel other craft, hatrix?

L246[15:51:58] <Deddly> T-5:00 again on the stream

L247[15:52:23] <hatrix> yep, in one go

L248[15:52:51] <hatrix> It's just a commercial contract, I don't plan on doing anything with it

L249[15:53:05] <Deddly> Ah OK. Well, well done :)

L250[15:53:17] <Deddly> Who knows - it might come in handy at some point

L251[16:00:10] <packbart> trying not to hit the ISS. that's nice

L252[16:01:45] <Deddly> Sounds like it's an indefinite hold

L253[16:02:10] <Deddly> Oh well.

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L256[16:22:13] <packbart> the music volume increases. something is happening

L257[16:44:03] <Mat2ch> Not really...

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L262[18:04:26] <Black_Eagle> well. oopsie, forgot to bring some nervas

L263[18:04:41] <Black_Eagle> hauled a good slosh of Lf into the sky and realised i forgot the engines

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L265[18:09:25] <UmbralRaptop> forgetting engines instead of fuel, landing gear, or payload is. bit different

L266[18:10:08] <Black_Eagle> i know, it's a very special kind of oopsie

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L268[18:13:46] <Black_Eagle> LET'S SEE IF IT STILL TAKES OFF WITH THE ENGINES...

L269[18:13:49] <Black_Eagle> oops sorry caps

L270[18:15:16] <Black_Eagle> no is the correct answer. argh

L271[18:16:33] <UmbralRaptop> fine control is cruise control for cool

L272[18:18:47] <Black_Eagle> it does! it does! had to do a veeeery careful dive to get from 390 to 410 m/s

L273[18:18:59] <Black_Eagle> now the rapiers are kicking in

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L279[18:33:07] <Guest38171> duna is mae

L280[18:33:18] <Guest38171> duna is mars

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L282[18:40:31] <darsie> Mars is Earth

L283[18:43:13] <Guest38171> kerben is the same size of earth

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L285[18:43:40] <darsie> no

L286[18:44:00] <darsie> Unless by size you mean surface gravity.

L287[18:44:10] <Guest38171> no

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L289[18:52:27] <UmbralRaptop> blink

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