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L5[00:29:57] <Deddly> I love the KSP loading
hints. I just got one that said "Flying safe" :)
L6[00:30:06] <Althego> hehe
L7[00:30:25] <Althego> a few updates ago a
lot new were added
L8[00:32:09] <Deddly> Yeah. Best feature
ever ;)
L9[00:33:24] <Deddly> Cleaning transfer
windows is also a good one
L10[00:34:19] <Althego> hehe
L11[00:35:57] <Althego> reminds me of a
silly story. the full flight sim closed operations for a few days
in geilenkirchen, and the explanation was they were installing
windows. i thought really hard how that can be, since everything
ran on aix and linux, why would they need windows? it turned out
they were replacing the windows of the cockpit because they were
scratched
L12[00:36:56] <Deddly> LOL
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L33[04:49:44] <Black_Eagle> UmbralRaptop
they are. backed down into the sea, wasn't fun
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L40[06:06:35] <Mat2ch> and all automated
please ;)
L41[06:12:37] <packbart> optional, please.
I delete IVAs in times of low memory
L42[06:13:32] <packbart> I finally bought a
new phone this year. I might even decide on a new laptop with more
RAM, really soon now, too
L43[06:20:13] <Mat2ch> :)
L44[06:25:10] <Mostly_Deddly> Not worth
just upgrading the RAM?
L45[06:25:59] <packbart> it would be worth
it. quad-i7 with NVidia graphics is still quite good. but the
system only supports 8GB RAM
L46[06:31:00] <Mostly_Deddly> Really? What
a shame
L47[06:31:08] <Mostly_Deddly> What laptop
is that?
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L51[06:35:04] <packbart> the Amazon reviews
say it might be able to use 16GB. dmidecode said "Physical
Memory Array: Maximum Capacity: 8 GB"
L53[06:39:30] <Mostly_Deddly> Broken
product links, but looks hopeful
L54[06:40:30] <packbart> Mostly_Deddly:
interesting :) because of what the tool reported, I never bothered
to even try upgrading it
L55[06:42:48] <Mostly_Deddly> The best
thing is that your system has two slots. Mine only has one, so I
have to get a 16 GB single RAM card
L56[06:45:39] <packbart> thanks, I might
try that. 2x8GB modules should be easy to come by
L57[06:59:55] <Mostly_Deddly> Yes, and
jealousy-inducingly cheap :P
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L72[09:24:21] <Eddi|zuHause> there should't
be any reason for RAM to be limited like that on a modern system.
if the card fits in the slot, it should work. if in doubt, try a
bios update
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L74[09:29:35] <umaxtu> those max capacity
things that manufacturers say are usually the maximum ammount of
ram that can fit with the highest capacity dimms on the market at
the time of the product's release
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L76[09:30:23] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, exactly.
but it should be upwards-compatible for "future"
chips
L77[09:31:58] <Mat2ch> The problem is
usually the memory controller that just can't address so much more
memory
L78[09:32:37] <Mat2ch> There are just not
enough internal numbers then to address the memory rows.
L79[09:32:42] <Althego> which is part of
the cpu lately
L80[09:33:11] <Mat2ch> Though I'm wondering
if the RAM still would work, but with reduced capacity
L81[09:33:17] <Mat2ch> Althego: also on
Intel systems?
L82[09:33:44] <Eddi|zuHause> to what number
would they be limited?
L83[09:34:01] <Mat2ch> The maximum the
memory controller can handle ;)
L84[09:34:13] <Althego> especially on
intel
L85[09:34:27] <Eddi|zuHause> i mean: why
would that be a number less than 64bit?
L86[09:34:44] <Althego> and since intel
usually relerases new motherboard for each cpu generation, you have
to upgrade veerything
L87[09:34:58] <Althego> because there are
no motherboards that can fit that much ram
L88[09:35:14] <Althego> there are not
enough dstalines on the cpu to address 64 bit
L89[09:36:34] <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't
fit my brain-model of a cpu/board architecture
L90[09:37:20] <Althego> what, the model in
your brain?
L91[09:37:26] <Eddi|zuHause> yes
L92[09:37:42] <Althego> the cpus are
internally 64 bit
L93[09:37:52] <Althego> but physically they
dont have that many pins
L94[09:37:52] <Eddi|zuHause> i mean, it
could be i'm totally wrong on how this works---
L95[09:37:57] <Althego> nobody needed that
much ram
L96[09:38:07] <Althego> for
addressing
L97[09:41:03] <Mat2ch> Eddi|zuHause: for
addressing they are not reading single bytes, but whole banks. And
the number of bytes in those dictate how many you can read
L98[09:41:31] <Mat2ch> with bigger RAM
chips you just read and write more data at once
L99[09:42:33] <Althego> so why are we
talking about ram<
L100[09:42:36] <Althego> ?
L101[09:42:37] <Eddi|zuHause> but... that
means the ram slot dictates the number of pins available for
addressing, why would the CPU have fewer than that?
L102[09:42:44] <Althego> and when does
ddr5 arrive?
L103[09:44:47] <Althego> address sizes :
39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
L104[09:44:57] <Althego> so says cpuinfo
for an older one
L105[09:45:56] <Althego> even with 39 bits
you can address 512 gigabytes of ram
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L107[09:48:10] <Eddi|zuHause> my cpuinfo
doesn't seem to have that output
L108[09:48:28] <Althego> the
/proc/cpuinfo?
L109[09:48:42] <Althego> probably not the
same output for every model
L110[09:48:54] <Eddi|zuHause> ah, found
it
L111[09:48:55] <Eddi|zuHause> address
sizes : 48 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
L112[09:49:04] <Eddi|zuHause> and this cpu
is 10 years old
L113[09:49:15] <Althego> 48 bits is
overkill
L114[09:49:27] <Althego> so probably we
are not going to get 64 bits soon
L115[09:51:07] <Althego> 48 bits is 0.25
petabyte ram
L116[09:51:45] <Althego> we dont even have
hdds that big yet
L119[09:52:53] <Althego> hehe the question
is unrelated, but the answers are good :)
L120[09:52:58] <Mat2ch> or in other word:
It's not that easy
L121[09:54:12] <Eddi|zuHause> when did
page tables enter the discussion?
L122[09:54:19] <Althego> they didnt
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L124[09:54:38] <Althego> but that is the
stackoverflow thread which was related
L125[09:55:14] <Mat2ch> the problem is
that the address size has nothing to do with how much memory you
can address ;)
L126[09:55:55] <Althego> i thought we were
talking about how much ram you can put into a motherboard and use
it
L127[09:57:38] <Eddi|zuHause> my claim was
(for a reasonable assumption of CPU lifetime) you can use any ram
chip that gets developed that physically fits in a ram slot
L128[09:57:48] <Mat2ch> yes, but then you
were talking about address size, which is not related ;)
L129[09:57:54] <Althego> yes, you can
probably use it
L130[09:58:08] <Althego> but if you put
too many there...
L131[09:58:08] <Mat2ch> Because the memory
controller is the limitation, not the CPU itself :)
L132[09:58:53] <Althego> aside from the
occasional incompatibility of course
L133[09:59:05] <Mat2ch> L and UL? ;)
L134[09:59:45] <Althego> ?
L135[09:59:59] <Mat2ch> low voltage and
ultra low voltage
L136[10:00:02] <Mat2ch> yes, that's a
thing...
L137[10:00:40] <Althego> is that a laptop
thing?
L138[10:00:54] <Eddi|zuHause> Mat2ch: and
they wouldn't design a new slot for that?
L139[10:01:00] <Althego> they do
L140[10:01:09] <Althego> maybe in 1-2
years you will see ddr5
L141[10:01:16] <Althego> the standard is
around finalized
L142[10:01:23] <Mat2ch> Nop
L143[10:01:24] <Althego> probably first
starts on servers
L144[10:02:01] <Althego> and as usual dd5
is even lower voltage than dd4 which is lower voltage than
ddr3
L145[10:02:57] <Eddi|zuHause> mat2ch
honestly, that sounds like a stupid idea
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L148[10:06:32] <Mat2ch> and that's why I
stumbled upon it
L149[10:07:25] <Mat2ch> I did built a NAS
last year with a mini ITX board and these Intel cpus are quite
common there
L150[10:09:04] <Mat2ch> And DDR5...
probably 2021...
L151[10:09:51] <Althego> so the race is
on. the question is, whether the next gen amd motherboards come
with ddr4 or 5
L152[10:10:00] <Althego> since they are
going to change the socket too
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L154[10:10:11] <Althego> and i decided to
ait until 2021
L155[10:10:15] <Althego> *wait
L156[10:12:57] <Flayer> i'm sleepy
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L161[10:40:15] <Eddi|zuHause> well, i was
considering buying a new computer, but i opted to just upgrade the
graphics card, and it's relieved the pressure for that for a
while
L162[10:54:31] <Mat2ch> Althego: well,
Zen3 will probably have DDR4, so Zen4 maybe
L163[10:55:03] <Althego> which is probably
in 2021
L164[10:55:09] <Althego> i was talking
about that
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L168[10:59:26] <Althego> actually ddr5
will be worse for me, because it will be premium price with very
little performance benefit
L169[11:05:06] <Mat2ch> I guess that's why
AMD is keeping DDR4 for Zen3
L170[11:05:25] <Althego> or rather nobody
is going to have ddr5 this year
L171[11:06:07] <Althego> but to me ddr4 is
still very new. ddr3 had a lot longer life
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L192[13:59:01] <Althego> scott (an hour
ago)
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L208[18:55:33] <darsie> A scientists
jetpacked up on Minmus, had an encounter with a Kerbal in orbit,
switched over, jetpacked to Kerbin, aerobraked, boarded the station
and jetpacked to the KSC sea and swam to the shore.
L209[18:56:44] <darsie> Landing was a
rough without parachute, but survived.
L211[19:25:24] <darsie> 400 m/s ...
L212[19:26:21] <darsie> 450 m/s
L213[19:29:05] <darsie> 500 m/s
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L215[19:32:58] <darsie> 564 m/s
L216[19:36:46] <darsie> Don't even need a
gear if I start vertically :).
L217[19:52:25] <darsie> 600 m/s without
gear
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L221[21:06:58] *
darsie flies around Kerbin with a Juno VTOL. Getting closer to KSC.
Landing will be interesting.
L222[21:08:12] <darsie> I always pitch it
down to horizontal when I hear it flame out at ~17 km.
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