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L9[01:00:06] <DuoDex9> Wacky
L10[01:00:36] <DuoDex9> chanlog
L11[01:00:38] <Mod9000> I keep channel logs
here: bitcoinshell.mooo.com/users/deddly/?C=M;O=D
L12[01:00:46] <Althego> races
L13[01:01:23] <Judge_Dedd> Eyy it's the
real Duo
L14[01:01:28] <DuoDex9> strange
L15[01:01:42] <Judge_Dedd> What's strange
about it?
L16[01:02:56] <DuoDex9> i'm just surprised
this is still a channel
L17[01:02:57] <DuoDex9> lol
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L19[01:03:31] <Judge_Dedd> :/
L20[01:04:22] <Althego> the channel has
exhausted its action points for today
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L22[01:14:13] <Judge_Dedd> LOL
Althego
L23[01:17:11] <XXCoder> once channel exists
its very hard for it to die
L24[01:17:19] <XXCoder> expecially former
700+ member channel
L25[01:19:10] <Judge_Dedd> Yeah. I noticed
that there's a lot of life still in here - lots of people still
lurking and ready to join in when a conversation starts... case in
point ;)
L26[01:19:32] <XXCoder> normally i wouldnt
be back from work for anoither 3 hours
L27[01:19:43] <XXCoder> but not this time,
got serious dizzy and headache spell so yeah
L28[01:19:55] <Judge_Dedd> Oh, sorry to
hear that
L29[01:20:04] <XXCoder> nah its fine
L30[01:20:08] <Judge_Dedd> You OK?
L31[01:20:29] <XXCoder> yeah dizzyness isnt
too common but it happens
L32[01:20:37] <Judge_Dedd> OK, hope it
passes soon
L33[01:21:17] <XXCoder> me too heh
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L55[04:59:31] <Judge_Dedd> Can anyone
recommend a good, ad-free, free VM for Windows?
L56[04:59:48] <Judge_Dedd> I've not tried
one before but I'd like to give it a go
L57[05:03:50] <hatrix> what do you mean by
free VM? like VirtualBox or QEMU?
L58[05:04:12] <Judge_Dedd> Yeah, like -
what's the difference?
L59[05:06:05] <hatrix> qemu is quite fast,
but could be harder to use
L60[05:06:46] <hatrix> that's what Scaleway
uses for virtual instances when you order one, for example
L61[05:07:03] <hatrix> virtualbox might be
easier if you're not used to CLIs and such
L62[05:07:54] <Judge_Dedd> Hmm. Thanks for
the info!
L63[05:07:58] <hatrix> what OS are you
running?
L64[05:08:14] <Judge_Dedd> I'm running
Windows
L65[05:08:58] <hatrix> what are you trying
to do?
L66[05:09:45] <Judge_Dedd> I just wanted to
try running another OS and access some of its features now and
then
L67[05:10:05] <hatrix> oh yeah, then
VirtualBox should be quite enough for you
L68[05:10:10] <Judge_Dedd> For example, I'd
like to try Icaros, but I don't really want to dual boot right
now
L69[05:11:27] <Judge_Dedd> I'll look into
it, thanks!
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L71[05:12:29] <hatrix> you even got some
tutorials online for AROS & VirtualBox :)
L72[05:12:43] <RuthJg> I'm here
L73[05:13:03] <Judge_Dedd> So you are,
RuthJg. Welcome ;)
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L75[05:19:15] <Judge_Dedd> hatrix, what
about VMWare Workstation?
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L77[05:19:47] <packbart> expensive ;)
L78[05:19:57] <Judge_Dedd> Ooh it's a paid
one, eh?
L79[05:20:12] <Judge_Dedd> Interesting that
it doesn't mention that in the download page
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L83[05:26:10] <Judge_Dedd> /msg
spammer
L84[05:26:40] <sandbox> was just about to
say
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L90[06:03:17] <darsie> prove it
L91[06:03:37] <hatrix> Judge_Dedd: you
don't need that
L92[06:03:47] <hatrix> VirtualBox is quite
good and easy to use
L93[06:04:40] <hatrix> darsie: my design
looks bad I agree, how would you do that? Put everything vertical
and assemble it in orbit? Multiple launches?
L94[06:05:25] <darsie> hatrix: These are
possible alternatives. The ISS was built that way.
L95[06:05:39] <hatrix> the ISS was not
landed on Eve though
L96[06:05:54] <hatrix> I might be wrong on
this one, I'm no expert
L97[06:05:56] <darsie> But hey, you are
free to play how you like.
L98[06:06:13] <darsie> No, it's true, ISS
did not land on Eve :).
L99[06:06:29] <darsie> Did you land that on
Eve?
L100[06:06:45] <hatrix> it's only a
prototype for now
L102[06:07:12] <darsie> no
L103[06:07:33] <darsie> Doesn't look
aerodynamically stable.
L104[06:07:46] <darsie> but idk
L105[06:08:00] <hatrix> the first one was
not
L106[06:08:07] <hatrix> neither was the
second one
L107[06:08:18] <hatrix> the third one
might work, though I'm not that sure
L108[06:09:01] <darsie> I'm not into such
large structures, kinda..
L109[06:09:40] <hatrix> I got one
contract, they want 6k units of fuel on Eve…
L110[06:09:58] <darsie> I'd mine it.
L111[06:10:04] <darsie> Need tanks.
L112[06:10:06] <hatrix> that's what I'll
do
L113[06:10:20] <hatrix> the tanks still
take space
L114[06:10:34] <darsie> liquidfuel?
L115[06:10:38] <hatrix> yep
L116[06:11:18] <darsie> I did an Eve
sample return, with the large tanks.
L117[06:11:29] <darsie> And a
mammoth.
L118[06:12:25] <hatrix> I really love the
Vector engine
L119[06:12:48] <darsie> Yeah, they're
great. Mammoth has more TWR.
L120[06:13:13] <hatrix> I might need to
look into that
L121[06:13:20] <darsie> No heat shield,
just entry burn.
L122[06:13:24] <hatrix> i've got a TWR of
1.19 I think on the last design
L123[06:13:43] <hatrix> after separating
the boosters it drops to 1 or so, that thing is hard to get into
orbit
L124[06:13:58] <hatrix> wow, you got any
pictureS?
L125[06:14:12] <darsie> Nah, they're
gone.
L126[06:15:04] <darsie> Just imagine a 4
stage rocket or so, starting with a mammoth. I used lots of cubic
struts as legs.
L127[06:15:18] <hatrix> to absorb the
impact?
L128[06:15:22] <darsie> mhm
L129[06:15:27] <darsie> and to avoid
falling over.
L130[06:15:42] <darsie> Refuelled at Gilly
with the refinery.
L131[06:15:59] <hatrix> oh, you had to
refuel though
L132[06:16:00] <darsie> Needed 4x physics
warp which reduces heat.
L133[06:16:09] <darsie> Yeah. Also
refuelled in LKO.
L134[06:16:33] <darsie> Staging only
happened at Eve ascend.
L135[06:17:21] <darsie> Used up all stages
fuel for SSTO at Kerbin.
L136[06:18:10] <hatrix> an Eve SSTO sounds
like a really hard challenge
L137[06:18:46] <darsie> Sounds impossible.
Probably would need wings.
L138[06:19:51] <hatrix> well, just found a
video were Scott put a comment saying "impressive"
L139[06:19:57] <hatrix> so I guess I'm far
from making it :D
L140[06:21:40] <darsie> 6k LF?
L141[06:21:48] <hatrix> ?
L142[06:21:58] <darsie> 6000 liquid fuel
on Eve
L143[06:22:38] <hatrix> that's what I need
for my contract yes
L144[06:23:03] <darsie> The big tank has
6480 LF.
L145[06:23:14] <hatrix> I prefer using
small ones, looks cute
L146[06:23:22] <hatrix> but I might need
to use the big one in the end
L147[06:23:40] <hatrix> I need to support
11 kerbals with a mobile processing lab
L148[06:24:30] <darsie> I think many
contracts guide you to do other things.
L149[06:25:09] <darsie> Or that's how I
make sense of some.
L150[06:29:14] <Eddi|zuHause> eve ssto
might be possible with propellers?
L151[06:29:56] <darsie> yeah
L152[06:30:19] <hatrix> he's using ion
engines and vector
L153[06:31:39] <darsie> Does ditching the
wings count as staging?
L154[06:31:46] <Judge_Dedd> Yes
L155[06:31:57] <darsie> It's just to
reduce drag.
L156[06:32:06] <Judge_Dedd> Fold them away
:)
L157[06:32:12] <darsie> Can't.
L158[06:32:41] <Judge_Dedd> Well, it does
count as staging. SSTO by definition means not jettisoning any
parts.
L159[06:33:03] <darsie> k
L160[06:33:47] <Judge_Dedd> It would still
be undeniably cool, though
L161[06:34:53] <packbart> it doesn't count
as staging if the wings burn off on ascend ;)
L162[06:35:38] <darsie> :)
L163[06:44:18] <Althego> hehe
L164[06:44:25] <Althego> you dont need
them in space anyway
L165[06:47:46] <darsie> But for landing
and the next take off.
L166[06:48:08] <darsie> But yeah, SSTO
doesn't include landing or reuse.
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L171[07:18:29] <darsie> Doesn't have to be
in a fairing.
L172[07:22:04] <Eddi|zuHause> might get a
bit hot?
L173[07:22:53] <darsie> Yeah, depending on
ascend profile.
L174[07:22:59] <darsie> Nothing I couldn't
handle.
L175[07:23:17] <darsie> But I had 4700
m/s. Now trying less.
L176[07:23:35] <darsie> already flipped
over once ...
L177[07:34:43] <darsie> Has more TWR, I
guess, so I need to throttle and have less control.
L178[07:36:05] <darsie> Ok, it's
unaerodynamic.
L180[08:07:30] <packbart> yeah, that's
similar to what I do
L181[08:08:06] <packbart> although
sometimes I put a smalld decoupler and a fairing on top and drape
the fairing over the cupola and add a nosecone
L182[08:08:27] <packbart> I didn't test
the difference in dV on orbit
L183[08:10:44] <darsie> Fairing and
nosecone?
L184[08:10:47] <darsie> I have a
decoupler.
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L186[08:14:09] <PatriciaHH1993> Hi
L187[08:14:12] <Mod9000> Hello,
PatriciaHH1993
L188[08:17:42] <Mostly_Deddly> I bet I
know what this is
L189[08:17:50] <sandbox> another
spammer?
L190[08:18:00] <Mostly_Deddly>
Likely
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L193[08:20:30] <Mostly_Deddly> sandbox,
did you get anything yet?
L194[08:20:38] <sandbox> nope
L195[08:20:42] <Mostly_Deddly> OK
L196[08:21:34] <Mostly_Deddly> Hi
PatriciaHH1993, how are you?
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L198[08:22:25] <Mat2ch> sick days are good
excuses to build huge overengineered rescue ships
L199[08:25:38] <darsie> PatriciaHH1993
spammed me in pm.
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L201[08:29:24] <Mostly_Deddly> Please feel
free to use the "modcall" next time - I'm not watching
all the time here
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L204[08:31:59] <Mostly_Deddly> Also, as
soon as [girl's name][random characters][numbers] comes back,
please let us know
L205[08:32:14] <Mostly_Deddly> Especially
if "she" is using mibbit
L206[08:32:15] <darsie> k
L207[08:33:31] <Mostly_Deddly> lol768, is
the network getting a lot of these /msg spammers or is it just
us?
L208[08:37:47] <nate> If someone has
verified it was actually mibbit being used you can give them a prod
about it, though axod is a bit MIA these days I think
L209[08:38:15] <nate> But no spammers like
that have been around for decades, just depends on the
visibility/popularity of somewhere generally :P
L210[08:39:51] <Mostly_Deddly> We're
popular! \o/
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L215[09:26:09] <Mat2ch> Well, I hope we
gain some more people with KSP2 :)
L216[09:27:17] <packbart> not on IRC, I'm
afraid
L217[09:27:21] <Althego> still a nan
L218[09:27:25] <Althego> not even a
beta
L219[09:27:28] <packbart> KSP2 will
probably have its own discord channel
L220[09:27:54] <Althego> a reason to start
discord again
L221[09:28:07] <packbart> Althego: let
them take their time. KSP 1.x is still around
L222[09:28:16] <Althego> still alive
L224[09:28:20] <Mat2ch> but the server is
down.
L225[09:28:41] <Althego> hehe
L226[09:28:53] <Althego> still probably
not under 20 million usd
L227[09:29:22] <Althego> the blue origin
hopper thingie is probably lot cheaper
L228[09:29:33] <Mat2ch> that's why I
wanted to visit that site
L229[09:29:36] <Mat2ch> :D
L230[09:30:04] <Althego> lol it is running
on windows
L231[09:30:21] <Deddly> Whatever the Blue
Origin thing costs, I fear it will be poor value. The flight is
incredibly brief
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L233[09:30:54] <packbart> once in a
lifetime and stuff
L234[09:30:56] <Deddly> I bet you'd get
more value from one of those zero-gravity flights in an
aeroplane
L236[09:31:42] <Althego> the incredibly
brief is like 5 minutes of weightlessness
L237[09:31:51] <Althego> while on the
airplane you get something like 20 second
L238[09:31:52] <Althego> s
L239[09:32:00] <Althego> with another
minute of 2 g
L240[09:32:08] <packbart> but the
airplanes don't go to "space"
L241[09:32:19] <packbart> so you don't get
the scout badge for that
L242[09:32:25] <Althego> hehe
L243[09:32:35] <Althego> but i am already
on my way to pathfinder in elite :)
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L245[09:33:10] <Deddly> Althego, 5 mins,
are you sure? I didn't time it but it seemed a lot shorter than
that in the video I watched
L246[09:33:21] <Althego> what did you
measure?
L247[09:33:44] <Althego> it is weightless
after the engine cut out, and quite a while after it when it is
falling down
L248[09:33:45] <Deddly> <Deddly> I
didn't time it
L249[09:33:55] <Deddly> :P
L250[09:34:07] <Deddly> I expect you're
right
L251[09:34:20] <UmbralRaptop> bad
Deddly
L252[09:34:34] <Althego> maybe it is just
4 :)
L253[09:34:55] <Deddly> But I think that
orbital is the only thing that would really feel like
"space" to me
L254[09:35:13] <Deddly> So I'll save my
countless millions for that
L255[09:35:13] <Althego> 100 km is just
barely going there
L256[09:35:25] <Althego> so true orbital
is probably a lot better
L258[09:36:52] <packbart> the whole flight
takes about 11 minutes
L259[09:37:03] <Mat2ch> Well, we could
offer capsule dives
L260[09:37:08] <Mat2ch> skydiving inside a
capsule
L261[09:37:22] <Mat2ch> we could try
getting a minute, too
L262[09:37:30] <Mat2ch> for a much lower
price
L263[09:38:26] <packbart> Deddly: well,
it's good enough for Kerbals. Ascend, circularize and then deorbit
immediately still counts as "orbit around Kerbin"
L264[09:38:33] <Deddly> Or, for the really
adventurous, there's Copenhagen Suborbitals :)
L265[09:38:50] <Althego> that is
suborbital too
L266[09:38:53] <Deddly> True, packbart. I
could live with that ;)
L267[09:38:58] <Althego> but from
basically minimal money
L268[09:39:24] <Althego> if you made it
into orbit you could stay at least one complete orbit
L269[09:39:26] <Deddly> Nah, I'd want one
revolution, like I give my Kerbals
L270[09:40:13] <Althego> aint nobody has
tim fo that
L271[09:42:33] <Mat2ch> who's Tim
Fo?
L272[09:42:40] <Mat2ch> scnr ;)
L273[09:42:48] <packbart> The guy who says
"Moar boostars"
L274[09:42:57] <Althego> time for
L275[09:44:05] <Mat2ch> I fear I need TAC
for my beatiful overbuild resuce refiller
L276[09:44:11] <Mat2ch> *overbuilt
L277[09:44:21] <Mat2ch> *over
engineered
L278[09:44:25] <Mat2ch> now, finally
L279[09:44:37] <Mat2ch> and
*beautiful
L280[09:44:55] <Althego> i asked once
already but nobody answeed. were there smaller trees before
1.9?
L281[09:45:07] <Althego> now there are
several sizes
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L283[09:45:13] <Mat2ch> I think there as
only one size
L284[09:45:17] <Mat2ch> *was
L285[09:45:45] <Deddly> Althego, ground
scatter + actual trees as surface features
L286[09:46:13] <Deddly> Those are a
Breaking Ground features
L287[09:46:27] <Deddly> You can get
science from them
L288[09:46:33] <Althego> ah can be
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L304[12:32:10] <lol768>
<@Mostly_Deddly> lol768, is the network getting a lot of
these /msg spammers or is it just us?
L305[12:32:22] <lol768> It's a thing we're
aware of that happens in the background
L306[12:32:33] <lol768> I wasn't aware it
had gotten significantly worse though
L307[12:32:58] <lol768> Looks like it was
today that they came back with a vengeance
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L315[12:46:42] <Mat2ch> Althego: you
didn't shout scott yet :)
L316[12:47:05] <Althego> unexpected
L317[12:48:03] <Althego> there was a
mechanical automaton idea
L318[12:48:07] <Althego> ah yes he is
talking about that
L319[12:48:37] <Mat2ch> And he has finally
1 million subscribers
L320[12:49:18] <Althego> that happened
last week or so
L321[12:49:39] <Althego> it seems louis
rossmann is gaining subscribers faster :)
L322[12:49:46] <Althego> not a race
L323[13:02:12] <sandbox> it was much
longer than a week
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L335[13:35:40] <Guest70544> What can I do
if my bug report is not recieving the official attention it
deserves? I and all other console players are completely blocked
very early from completing a career mode of any legitimate sort due
to this bug, and would appreciate some information on the subject.
Any info will be added to the bug report, in hopes of helping
others with t
L336[13:35:40] <Guest70544> hese issues.
Thanks Admin!
L337[13:37:45] <packbart> few bug reports
receive the official attention they deserve. but that's probably
true for most bugtrackers, anyway ;/
L338[13:39:50] <packbart> Guest70544:
which bug is that? (I can't help, sorry, just curious)
L339[13:40:58] <Guest70544> That is very
true. Bug #24394
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L342[13:45:43] <packbart> ah, I see. yeah,
contract bugs can be really annoying. I usually skip those test and
haul contracts (unless I can do them on the launchpad ;)
L343[13:46:03] <Althego> hehe yes
launchpad tests are the best :)
L344[13:50:25] <Guest70544> I find i
become limited to test/haul/survey contracts relatively quickly
which is a shame with little science unlocks. Thanks for the
replies dudes/dudettes!
L345[13:51:17] <packbart> time to update
the version number on my pet bug
L346[13:51:24] <Althego> hehe
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L384[19:50:39] <Guest79373> hu
L385[19:50:43] <Guest79373> hi*
L386[19:51:22] <Guest79373> bye bye
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L388[19:54:43] <UmbralRaptor> Ah, the one
minute wonders
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L402[22:32:22] <TheKosmonaut>
UmbralRaptor: Hi
L403[22:32:34] <TheKosmonaut> No answers?
ugh bye
L404[22:32:44] <UmbralRaptor>
TheKosmonaut: ???
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