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L8[01:40:21] <Althego> were there smaller trees before 1.9?
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L22[04:23:29] <Althego> lol scott
L23[04:23:51] <Althego> because drain valves have a thrust, you can use them as engines :)
L24[04:24:04] <Rolf> quick, someone let danny know
L25[04:24:15] <Rolf> or make a plane using it yourselkf
L26[04:24:29] <Althego> lol they can drain intake air too :)
L27[04:24:48] <Althego> so essentially an infinite fuel plane
L28[04:25:11] <Rolf> :)
L29[04:25:39] <Althego> reminds me of the old style jets
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L32[04:27:25] <Rolf> one of manga plot has water snake that got so powerful that its called water disaster.
L33[04:27:51] <Rolf> how? easy enough, its a game type universe, and it had ability to purify water, and it gains power when in purified water
L34[04:28:02] <Rolf> it also gained ability to make water more dense
L35[04:28:44] <Rolf> which means more purified water around it, so it loops, stealing water from world
L36[04:29:10] <Rolf> ksp had couple that could be used to make a "disaster". like my snowflake plane
L37[04:29:31] <Rolf> 5,000 kps just using drag/trust inequality
L38[04:29:37] <Rolf> *thurst
L39[04:29:40] <Althego> how is it possible that i dont know of this isekai? :)
L40[04:30:48] <Rolf> A Reincarnated Demon’s Tales of Wonder
L41[04:31:01] <Rolf> its not super amazing but its fun to read
L42[04:31:30] <Rolf> world has 8 disasters, including water one I menioned heh
L43[04:31:45] <Althego> seems to be light novel
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L45[04:33:08] <Rolf> yeah. right now im reading the simulacrum. its more typical "die and find self in weird universe" but it twists it around a lot. charactor dont remember past life at all, but guy certainly remember the basic facts
L46[04:33:23] <Rolf> you probably will really enjoy that one
L47[04:36:16] <Deddly> I hate it when that happens
L48[04:36:42] <Rolf> other unusual one is world keeper.
L49[04:37:25] <Rolf> it starts with driver driving when really tired, and hitting someone, which turns out to be a keeper. and whatever kills keeper becomes a keeper
L50[04:37:57] <Rolf> everything got wiped with keeper so new one have to make new world, etc
L51[04:38:32] <Rolf> 451 chapters, that one
L52[04:40:39] <Mat2ch> Althego: they have thrust, but it's so insignificant that you can hardly do anything with it
L53[04:40:51] <Althego> yet scott made it into orbit
L54[04:40:58] <Rolf> mat3ch i made ion engine plane. granted, it was pre-nerf...
L55[04:41:09] <Rolf> someone else made ion engine plane go to space
L56[04:45:17] <Deddly> Ions alone cannot get to space
L57[04:45:30] <Deddly> But Electricity + ion is possible
L58[04:45:36] <Althego> they can if you start from a maountain tio
L59[04:45:44] <Rolf> lol but of course
L60[04:45:46] <Deddly> Unless you launch from the highest mountain, then it might just about be possible
L61[04:46:02] <Rolf> video i saw guy started from landing stri[
L62[04:46:08] <Rolf> so thats near sea level
L63[04:46:14] <Deddly> By Electricity + ion I mean other electric propulsion, like propellors
L64[04:46:16] <Rolf> its pre-nerf
L65[04:46:16] <Mat2ch> how old is that video?
L66[04:46:20] <Mat2ch> Ok
L67[04:46:25] <Mat2ch> it was possible back then, yes
L68[04:46:40] <Deddly> Yeah, back in the old days, it could be done easily
L69[04:46:47] <Rolf> yeah. my "carplane" that uses ion engine cant even power itself around
L70[04:46:54] <Rolf> its hard actually even prenerf
L71[04:46:57] <Rolf> I couldnt do it
L72[04:47:04] <Mat2ch> Deddly: with props high enough, then switching to ions and ditching the props? ;)
L73[04:47:11] <Deddly> Mat2ch, yes
L74[04:47:17] <Mat2ch> I'd like to see that
L75[04:47:19] <Althego> what ion nerf?
L76[04:47:39] <Althego> anyway i didnt use it at all, so a nerf is not going to change my mind
L77[04:47:39] <Rolf> ion engine had a nerf while ago, huge impact on perforance when in air
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L79[04:48:08] <Deddly> Bradley Whistance did it from the mountain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz3VkTPzSw4
L80[04:48:08] <kmath> YouTube - Orbiting Kerbin with only ion engines - KSP
L81[04:48:12] <Althego> ah you mean the one years ago
L82[04:48:43] <Deddly> It's not that ions got nerfed so much as isp was correctly implemented according to atmospheric pressure
L83[04:49:23] <Rolf> bah its still a nerf, I cant fly a ion plane anymore lol
L84[04:49:27] <Deddly> But this is my favourite ions to orbit project https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee59XkEufjA
L85[04:49:27] <kmath> YouTube - KSP - Duna and back using ONLY electric power and Xenon!
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L89[05:08:53] <Eddi|zuHause> turns out even though it's at the top of a hill the minimus base still is in darkness a long time
L90[05:09:06] <Mat2ch> RTGs!
L91[05:09:12] <Mat2ch> Or a big tower
L92[05:09:25] <Rolf> deddly yeah that things awesome. its no wonder its your fav
L93[05:09:27] <Mat2ch> yes, go and build a huuuuuuuge tower on Minmus!
L94[05:09:36] <Rolf> very tall thin tower with solars on top
L95[05:09:41] <Rolf> auto aiming solar panels
L96[05:10:21] <Mat2ch> Funny thing. My Jool exploration vessel is so big that when it comes in loading range you can see it pretty well...
L97[05:10:29] <Mat2ch> *into loading range
L98[05:10:43] <Mat2ch> time for some indoor rain
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L104[05:18:26] <Althego> hehe i have just started to listen to lhbp approach through liveatc. the hungarian accent of the controller is just too strong to bear
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L106[05:30:05] <Althego> matt lowne... just who thinks of visiting dres when a new update is released?
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L108[05:32:47] <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't bring enough I-beams for a large tower
L109[05:33:57] <Eddi|zuHause> game seems to treat the sun as one tiny light source, instead of a spread out one. so even though i can see it, it's treated as blocked by terrain
L110[05:34:36] <Althego> it is worse than that
L111[05:34:51] <Althego> there are regular eclipses because of the equatorial orbits many thigns have
L112[05:34:59] <Althego> and when that happens
L113[05:35:03] <Althego> the sun continues to shine
L114[05:35:09] <Althego> but there is no power on the solar panels
L115[05:35:30] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not worried about eclipses
L116[05:36:33] <Eddi|zuHause> but driving around with a rover i've seen there is a sharp edge between "full power" and "no power", with no partial shade transition
L117[05:37:13] <Althego> there should be on planets with atmosphere
L118[05:37:52] <Rolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sh8_3-R90I interesting
L119[05:39:16] <Eddi|zuHause> this has nothing to do with atmosphere
L120[05:39:29] <Althego> it does because there is some scattering
L121[05:39:40] <Eddi|zuHause> this is about the sun being a circle, not a point
L122[05:40:32] <Althego> that effect is a lot smaller than the scattering
L123[05:41:48] <Althego> after noon nap
L124[05:42:21] <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't care about the scattering
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L129[06:10:44] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQN_JuWhFqU srsly
L130[06:11:00] <Mat2ch> they didn't hire Danny as beta tester? They really should. :D
L131[06:13:09] <Rolf> there is people that think planes fly on compressed gas? jeez lol
L132[06:13:40] <Mat2ch> technically not that wrong
L133[06:13:49] <Mat2ch> but something needs to be there to compress the gas
L134[06:14:03] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly sure you can make a pneumatic airplane
L135[06:15:08] <Eddi|zuHause> there apparently was a french guy who built a pneumatic car, and some guy tried convincing me that it costs only 1/5 of regular fuel
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L137[06:15:24] <Rolf> air pressure buses does exist
L138[06:15:45] <Eddi|zuHause> ... which i totally believe works, but i have no intention of believing the price
L139[06:16:05] <dnsmcbr> "thermal staging"
L140[06:16:06] <dnsmcbr> Nice
L141[06:16:59] <Eddi|zuHause> so... when i launched this rocket, i put all sorts of foundations and connector parts with me in storage, but they all seemed to have disappeared
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L147[06:47:32] <Mat2ch> I really need another level of time warp. Waiting 2 years on max timewarp still takes too long :P
L148[06:51:42] <Eddi|zuHause> i think i'll need to use this debug feature https://github.com/ihsoft/KAS/wiki/Legacy-parts-destiny#using-kis-to-cleanup-the-game
L149[07:02:23] <hatrix> I've again got doubts on that design https://i.imgur.com/tpupZuT.png
L150[07:04:21] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't like parts clipping like that
L151[07:04:31] <hatrix> me neither
L152[07:10:05] <Mat2ch> https://imgur.com/a/fP1qAVZ also this looks distressingly beautiful...
L153[07:10:05] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/safdp7u.png
L154[07:10:58] <hatrix> it could go wreong in so many ways
L155[07:14:32] <Eddi|zuHause> can i modify the time that splash screen images are shown? it switches a little too fast for my taste
L156[07:17:37] <packbart> that means your computer is too fast ;)
L157[07:17:55] <Eddi|zuHause> that can't be true :p
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L159[07:19:36] <hatrix> what's the purpose of that mission Mat2ch ?
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L161[07:26:13] <Guest94383> yolo
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L163[07:39:40] <Mat2ch> hatrix: doing all the World Firsts Contracts in order...
L164[07:40:02] <Mat2ch> which means having a huge Jool mission to explore all planets. Hopefully the game doesn't screw me over again :P
L165[07:48:13] <Eddi|zuHause> something is not right https://ibin.co/5CQHIfavtBVD.jpg
L166[07:48:33] <Eddi|zuHause> i docked using the fuel transfer thingie, and it started drifting through the wall
L167[07:49:17] <Eddi|zuHause> RTS-1 Resource Transfer Station
L168[07:50:17] <packbart> because you clicked "docking mode" and didn't set "same-vessel interaction"?
L169[07:52:47] <Eddi|zuHause> that would explain the "through the wall" part, but not the drifting in the first place, which before docking was prevented by the brakes
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L171[07:53:24] <Eddi|zuHause> i think i need a more rigid connector here
L172[08:03:37] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it works better with the telescope arm
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L178[09:08:31] <Eddi|zuHause> using the resource transfer station as some sort of "power line" doesn't seem to work...
L179[09:09:13] <Eddi|zuHause> parts "attached to ground" seem to drift around
L180[09:10:55] <packbart> parts or wheels? the autostrutted suspension might try and drag you towards the heaviest part
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L183[09:15:11] <packbart> docked mode is magic. https://i.imgur.com/Teguj15.mp4
L184[09:15:43] <Althego> lol
L185[09:22:41] <Eddi|zuHause> packbart: i put a pylon on the ground, and connected it in undocked mode. after a while it disconnected
L186[09:24:09] <Althego> you must construct additional pylons :)
L187[09:25:30] <Eddi|zuHause> wrong game :p
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L189[09:35:59] <packbart> odd. I only used the plain ground pylons so far, to construct permanent relay stations and such
L190[09:36:27] <packbart> do you have WorldStabilizer installed? it doesn't play nice with ground pylons, iirc
L191[09:38:43] <Eddi|zuHause> no
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L201[10:33:04] <Flayer> i know there's not windows on this planet to break us free, but maybe one will be just enough for some dignity
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L211[11:32:19] <Flayer> in my dreams, i am dirty broke, beautiful and free
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L217[13:21:42] <Althego> less than 1 hour until cygnus
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L219[13:44:48] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5ApQ8k_Gt0
L220[13:44:48] <kmath> YouTube - Northrop Grumman Antares and Cygnus Launch to the International Space Station
L221[13:45:38] <darsie> also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op84bubZvwc
L222[13:45:38] <kmath> YouTube - LIVE: Launch of Antares Rocket with Cygnus CRS-13 Cargo Craft for Space Station
L223[14:11:25] <Althego> 10 minutes
L224[14:18:23] <Althego> 3 minutes
L225[14:20:58] <Althego> what inhuman takes away the timer befrore the launch
L226[14:21:27] <Althego> launch
L227[14:22:20] <packbart> IRC nominal
L228[14:25:25] <packbart> SpaceX has cameras on the boosters...
L229[14:26:09] <Althego> yes, even the soyuz has a camera on the upper stage
L230[14:26:45] <Althego> spacex makes the best show
L231[14:26:50] <Althego> maybe rocket labs comes after them
L232[14:26:51] <Flayer> solid fuel stage 2?
L233[14:27:05] <Flayer> spacex is like 90% marketing
L234[14:27:09] <Althego> especially when they are going to start catching the boosters
L235[14:27:28] <Althego> they dont even need marketing, they are the cheapest because of obviosu reasons
L236[14:30:10] <Althego> net says solid second stage
L237[14:30:43] <packbart> yeah.. right...
L238[14:30:57] <packbart> well, SpaceX does get the audio routing right ;)
L239[14:31:13] <Althego> this phone, and the previous hot mic incident
L240[14:31:27] <Althego> dont know if it was lame or funny
L241[14:31:57] <packbart> weird graphic glitches
L242[14:32:00] <Althego> lol
L243[14:32:27] <Althego> we can compare this with spacex tomorrow
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L258[16:30:47] <Mat2ch> https://youtu.be/op84bubZvwc?t=13012 is it just me or did the rocket really hit the launch tower there?
L259[16:31:14] <Mat2ch> Flayer: and SpaceX does good marketing, but their product is als superb
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L261[16:48:55] <Flayer> i have my doubts about some of their finances
L262[16:49:21] <Flayer> their product is excellent though, yeah, in terms of the mechanical aspects
L263[16:49:48] <Flayer> it is seriously impressive to see two of them return at the same time on the falcon heavy
L264[16:58:36] <Mat2ch> I have no doubt about their finances.
L265[16:58:48] <Mat2ch> They sell a rocket for 60 Million, but fly it 10 times.
L266[16:58:56] <Mat2ch> Well, the first stage at least
L267[16:59:16] <Mat2ch> Others take even more money for the same service and throw their vehicle away
L268[16:59:26] <Mat2ch> so they're making big money with every launch
L269[16:59:33] <Mat2ch> because there is no competition
L270[17:00:02] <Mat2ch> Starlink launch postponed to Monday
L271[17:00:08] <Mat2ch> https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1228811526464667648
L272[17:00:09] <kmath> <✔SpaceX> Standing down from tomorrow’s Starlink launch; team is taking a closer look at a second stage valve component. Now… https://t.co/A5F2fRgjv2
L273[17:00:19] <Mat2ch> Didn't we have a bot here telling us the launch dates? :P
L274[17:01:26] <hoglahoo> not sure...
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L279[17:31:29] <packbart> I see stock vessels include a Val-Copter now https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/foo.jpg
L280[17:32:00] <packbart> uses reaction wheels for steering, though. I was going to test the new rotor controls
L281[17:34:06] <UmbralRaptop> [SimCopter voice] Val-Copter One reporting heavy traffic
L282[17:37:49] <packbart> landed it without breakin anything. nice tri-copter
L283[17:39:00] <UmbralRaptop> yay
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