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L10[03:05:16] <Mat2ch> https://twitter.com/IanPineapple/status/1224530968503111681 Woah!

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L12[03:05:42] * darsie avoids being tracked by twitter.

L13[03:08:40] * packbart uses Cookie AutoDelete

L14[03:24:52] <Mat2ch> Where's the bot doing the untweeting for us?

L15[03:25:38] <Mat2ch> In short, SpaceX has asked the FCC for a 6 month test window for a 20 km Starship test flight

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L44[09:28:42] <Mat2ch> Ugh. I'm trying to repair my stuck docking port

L45[09:28:51] <Mat2ch> the worst part is: This still seems to be true: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/32913-cant-undock-bug-how-to-fix/

L46[09:28:55] <Mat2ch> It's from 2013.

L47[09:29:10] <Althego> hehe

L48[09:34:57] <hatrix> couldn't undock yesterday

L49[09:35:12] <hatrix> had to fire engines and wiggle

L50[09:35:31] <Althego> so that buf is still around

L51[09:35:35] <Althego> bug

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L55[09:46:11] *** Tank2333_ is now known as Tank2333

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L59[10:14:18] <Mat2ch> Althego: yes and sadly it's because of bad design

L60[10:14:53] <Mat2ch> The problem is that "ships" aren't handled as individual ships, when they're docked, but become a part of a bigger ship

L61[10:14:57] <Mat2ch> which is unnecessary

L62[10:15:04] <Althego> no, actually

L63[10:15:11] <Althego> i read it at some time

L64[10:15:14] <Althego> they had to do it this way

L65[10:15:18] <Althego> because it didnt work at all

L66[10:15:24] <Althego> if they handled them as separate

L67[10:16:36] <Mat2ch> I guess there would've been a better solution

L68[10:17:09] <Mat2ch> The problem is not that it has to handle like a big ship, but the way it is treated

L69[10:17:39] <Mat2ch> when we dock now a ship looses it's name, which gets saved to the dockee node section

L70[10:18:01] <Mat2ch> and that part is absolutely unnecessary

L71[10:18:21] <Mat2ch> also having a docker and a dockee is not necessary at all

L72[10:18:37] <Althego> the ports are symmetric

L73[10:18:45] <Althego> so no difference between the ships

L74[10:19:02] <Mat2ch> what do you mean by symmetric?

L75[10:19:09] <Althego> they are the same

L76[10:19:18] <Althego> but if you look at the soyuz docking port, that is different on the two sides

L77[10:19:25] <Althego> so there is a docker and a dockee

L78[10:19:39] <Mat2ch> yes, ok, you're underlining my point

L79[10:19:59] <packbart> it's all a bit moot with the vessel naming configuration, isn't it?

L80[10:20:00] <Mat2ch> But even if they were not symmetric you'd just need to define two parts

L81[10:20:10] <packbart> that would apply after undocking

L82[10:20:27] <Mat2ch> and save somewhere that only a docker can connect to a dockee. But this has to be done already, because the smaller docking ports can't connect to the bigger ones.

L83[10:21:16] <Mat2ch> And then just control everything by the attached node id. If this is non-zero there is a part attached to the docking port.

L84[10:21:30] <Althego> maybe in ksp 2 it ill be different

L85[10:21:30] <Mat2ch> -> show the undock button. If someone clicks on it, detach part.

L86[10:21:36] <Mat2ch> Hopefully.

L87[10:21:53] <Mat2ch> Somewhere from the dev team here? We need to talk if it's different :P

L88[10:22:23] <Althego> nah

L89[10:22:44] <Mat2ch> yeah, the good old days where they looked in here are gone :|

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L105[15:42:55] <darsie> Shall I go on on my quest to get ΔV in the topic changed to Δv?

L106[15:45:05] <packbart> just don't have it accidentally changed to δV ;)

L107[15:48:08] <UmbralRaptop> Δν

L108[15:50:56] <Mat2ch> Yes, go for it!

L109[15:52:27] <hatrix> Δυ you mean UmbralRaptop

L110[16:01:08] *** UmbralRaptop changes topic to Kerbal Space Program official channel | Latest versions: 1.8.1, NaN | Rules: tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | Δ? maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | Type "chanlog" for logs

L111[16:02:14] <UmbralRaptop> <_<

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L113[16:10:15] <Mat2ch> pfff

L114[16:20:43] <darsie> :)

L115[16:21:38] <hatrix> nice

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L127[17:38:22] <packbart> *gasp* it happened! "[1.8.1-1] Kopernicus & KittopiaTech"

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