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L1[00:05:22] <Althego> 5 launches in the
next two weeks. but starlink 3 was moved to next week
L3[00:16:42] <Flayer> damn
L7[00:23:58] <Flayer> i've been thinking
about making a refueling station on minmus
L8[00:24:25] <darsie> The port on the rocket
is a bit too high, but I managed to wiggle up there.
L9[00:28:34] <Flayer> i've been thinking
about designing a large vessel that can go from minmus to duna,
using refueling stations at both
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L11[00:46:34] <Flayer> oh right that will
need a ladder
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L31[08:27:49] <Mat2ch> I'd like to know how
much dV it has and it they could just straight deorbit it...
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L33[08:28:04] <Althego> it may be
geostat
L34[08:28:06] <Althego> no?
L35[08:28:24] <Mat2ch> It is
L36[08:28:46] <Mat2ch> but being so high up
means that it's easy to fall down...
L37[08:29:14] <Deddly> Wow, engaget has
some serious hoops you have to jump through if you don't want to
consent to tracking and ad cookies
L38[08:32:01] <Deddly> It takes a fair bit
of fuel to deorbit from GEO
L39[08:32:33] <Deddly> It's a circularised
orbit, not elliptical
L40[08:33:26] <Mat2ch> engadget is a nasty
tracker. So nasty it was on a block list for a few weeks
once.
L41[08:34:16] <Deddly> The law is quite
simple in that respect: A simple on-off toggle, defaulted to
off
L42[08:34:46] <Deddly> After going through
all the hoops, it seems that they are, indeed, off. Maybe I've been
on that site before
L43[08:35:41] <packbart> explody sat is a
Boeing, too ;)
L44[08:36:25] <Deddly> If I remember
correctly, the problem with GEO is that it takes so much fuel to
get down from there, most don't bother trying - they just change to
a graveyard orbit
L45[08:40:23] <Mat2ch> 105000 m/s?
L46[08:40:32] <Mat2ch> Sounds too
much
L47[08:43:23] <Deddly> More like 1500, I
think
L48[08:44:25] <Deddly> That's 1.5 km/s,
which seems a big budget to have to keep if you are planning on
deorbiting the satellite some day
L49[08:45:42] <Mat2ch> True
L50[08:45:52] <Mat2ch> but the sat has a
lot of fuel left it seems
L51[08:46:11] <Mat2ch> And you don't need
to stop it, just get slow enough to drop into the atmosphere
L52[08:46:28] <Mat2ch> Another calculator
said 3.5 km/s
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L61[10:31:17] <hatrix> :)
L62[10:31:52] <Mat2ch> Starlink 3 launch
postponed to 27th
L63[10:32:29] <Althego> yes, i said that
this morning. ok i said it was moved to next week
L64[10:35:21] <Mat2ch> SpaceX just tweeted
that ;P
L65[10:35:37] <Althego> yes it was on
nextrocket
L66[10:36:37] <Althego> the only issue with
that site is that suborbital launches are not on it
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L74[11:11:30] <Althego> scott
L75[11:11:41] <Althego> 4 minutes ago
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L82[11:57:21] <Deddly> Ok, new SSD arrived
and installed, also recognised by the device. So far woo hoo
L83[11:57:47] <Deddly> What's the
recommendation these days for file system?
L84[12:01:00] <Deddly> I would like to use
it mainly for Windows, but I'm tempted to add a Linux partition,
too
L85[12:01:26] <Mat2ch> ext4 ;P
L86[12:01:32] <Althego> windows is
obviously ntfs
L87[12:01:39] <Althego> on linux you have a
lot of choices
L88[12:01:45] <Althego> but i stick to
ext4
L89[12:04:19] <Deddly> But one drive can
only have one file system, no?
L90[12:04:24] <sandbox> what type of
SSD?
L91[12:04:29] <Althego> what no
L92[12:04:34] <Althego> the fs is on a
partition
L93[12:04:40] <Althego> not on a
drive
L94[12:04:41] <Deddly> sandbox, m.2 SATA
III
L95[12:04:57] <Deddly> Althego, oh yeah.
Man I haven't done this for years
L96[12:05:01] <Althego> you need to have
partitions for the two oses anway
L97[12:05:21] <Deddly> OK, so NTFS for now,
then, and when I install Linux, it'll give me all those juicy
options later
L98[12:05:41] <Althego> probably there is
an efi partition already, windwos might add another 2, linux can
lve on one if you turn off swap
L99[12:06:00] <Althego> other 2 or more for
linux
L100[12:06:12] <sandbox> someone I know
was raving about their new NVMe drive
L101[12:06:12] <Althego> the point is, if
you go above 4, you cant have it as primary partitions
L102[12:06:45] <Deddly> This is my second
HD, so I don't think I want to have lots of partitions. I see no
need for that
L103[12:07:14] <Althego> it happens
without you wanting it
L104[12:07:22] <Deddly> So far, it's just
477 GB Unallocated
L105[12:08:00] <Althego> i have 4, and all
were created by windows
L106[12:08:06] <Althego> cant imagine
why
L107[12:08:24] <Deddly> I can't initialize
or format this...
L108[12:08:54] <Althego> in fact i lost 1
gig to some windows magic partitions
L109[12:08:58] <Althego> and 100 megs to
efi
L110[12:09:07] <Althego> the remaining is
the one that the os is on
L111[12:09:08] <Deddly> Althego, I can see
that, here too
L112[12:09:30] <Deddly> 260 MB EFI, 1000
MB "WinRE_DRV"
L113[12:09:50] <Deddly> But why aren't I
seeing the option to initialize the disk?
L115[12:10:19] <Althego> what do you mean?
if it is during the windows install it will do everything it needs
to
L116[12:10:57] <Althego> i cant reproduce
that because i dont have any disk needing initialization
L117[12:10:58] <Deddly> Althego, I'm not
doing it from install, I'm doing it from this machine. It's a 2nd
SSD, I'm not installing anything to it
L118[12:11:00] <Althego> whateevr that
means
L119[12:11:23] <Althego> then just create
single partition and format it
L120[12:11:57] <Althego> i think this disk
management thing can do all of this
L121[12:12:16] <Deddly> I right-click on
the drive from Computer Management and the only options I get are:
New Simple Volume, New Spanned Volume, New Striped Volume,
Properties and Help
L122[12:12:34] <Deddly> I guess "New
Single Volume" then
L123[12:12:44] <Althego> probably
L124[12:12:46] <Deddly> I mean Simple, not
single
L125[12:12:49] <Althego> the others sound
like raid
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L127[12:13:32] <Deddly> Althego, Best to
use the whole disk now and then let Linux play with it later, or
set aside space now?
L128[12:13:43] <Althego> you can shrink
the partition
L129[12:13:47] <Althego> later
L130[12:13:50] <Deddly> OK cool
L131[12:14:01] <Althego> if not with
windows, then with things like gparted for sure
L132[12:14:07] <Althego> but it can be a
bit painful
L133[12:14:28] <Deddly> NTFS or exFAT are
the options. NTFS, I assume
L134[12:14:35] <Althego> like you boot on
a linux, start gparted. it says go back to windows and repair the
filesystem
L135[12:14:50] <Althego> i dont see any
point in exfat now
L136[12:14:55] <Althego> maybe on an usb
disk
L137[12:15:03] <Deddly> Last time I
installed Linux years ago, partitioning was incredibly
painless
L138[12:15:19] <Deddly> Allocation unit
size?
L139[12:15:26] <Althego> and adter it
starts shrinking it, it can take a long time
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L142[12:15:45] <Althego> hmm i am not
sure. this can impact performance
L143[12:16:02] <Althego> it usedto be 4k,
but lately everything is 512 bytes
L144[12:16:06] <Althego> or something like
that
L145[12:16:56] <Mat2ch> I thought the
other way round. To be able to have those huge devices?
L146[12:17:27] <Mat2ch> But usually the
device itself tells the os how big the allocation unit size should
be
L147[12:17:31] <Deddly> I mean, there's
"default", I guess...
L148[12:17:41] <Althego> probably defaults
to 4k
L149[12:17:46] <Althego> cant hurt you
that much
L150[12:17:51] <Althego> on an ssd
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L152[12:20:33] <Deddly> Yeah, seems
default is the way to go
L153[12:21:00] <Deddly> Quick format OK or
no?
L154[12:21:14] <Deddly> File and folder
compression?
L155[12:21:26] <Deddly> I tell you what,
Linux is so much easier for this kind of thing
L156[12:22:00] <Althego> well, fdisk is
not the tool i would ever want to use if i has a choice
L157[12:22:08] <Althego> i have
L158[12:22:29] <Althego> parted is a bit
better, gparted is for me :)
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L160[12:22:38] <Althego> just click and
drag the things
L161[12:22:46] <Deddly> Yeah, I loved
that
L162[12:23:36] <Deddly> I'm actually
really looking forward to maybe having Linux again. Do most distros
still use Grub for the bootloader?
L163[12:23:49] <Althego> grub2 for
debian
L164[12:24:04] <Althego> i hate all that
autogenerated config files thing
L165[12:24:32] <Althego> you have to
fumble around in etc and run some commands to regenerate the grub
config
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L167[12:24:42] <Deddly> If I do get Linux
again, I want it to default to Windows on startup. Is that easy
these days?
L168[12:25:05] <Althego> the windows has a
boot loader too
L169[12:25:17] <Althego> so you can jsut
chain in the linux bootloader
L170[12:25:20] <Althego> in a separate
menu
L171[12:25:48] <Deddly> OK I'll hold up
for a bit on that, then
L172[12:25:49] <Althego> or you can choose
the linux to take over
L173[12:25:53] <Althego> and default to
windows
L174[12:26:18] <Althego> it has been a
while since i did this
L175[12:26:50] <Althego> linux would
probably recognize the already installed windows and put it in the
boot menu eanyway
L176[12:29:43] <Mat2ch> If everything is
implemented correctly there is no boot loader necessary anymore and
everything managed by UEFI
L177[12:29:59] <Deddly> Huh
L178[12:30:00] <Althego> which is even
more horrible
L179[12:30:08] <Althego> if you have an
efi
L180[12:30:25] <Althego> machines from the
last 10 years or so have one :)
L181[12:30:49] <Althego> (u)efi, the os in
your motherboard
L182[12:30:56] <Althego> because they had
to have one
L183[12:31:05] <Mat2ch> bios wasn't any
better in its later stages
L184[12:31:07] <Althego> then poettering
decided you need an os for your init sisytem
L185[12:31:27] <Mat2ch> are you shaming
systemd? :P
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L187[12:31:44] <Althego> so first efi
starts up, then it starts systemd, and then the 3rd os to boot is
linux
L188[12:31:49] <Mat2ch> It was finally a
solution to the sysinit stuff, which was painfully slow and
outdated
L189[12:32:00] <Mat2ch> nonono
L190[12:32:07] <Mat2ch> first efi, then
the kernel, then systemd
L191[12:32:08] <Althego> yes it was
old
L192[12:32:12] <Althego> it worked
L193[12:32:27] <Althego> maybe wasnt that
fast on an ssd
L194[12:32:40] <Mat2ch> it wasn't fast on
a hdd either
L195[12:32:44] <Deddly> I can't get over
how fast SSD are
L196[12:32:44] <Althego> and with systemd
you got anyther spaceship you have to maintain
L197[12:33:05] <Althego> and the best is
yet to come
L198[12:33:08] <Althego> pcie4 ssds
L199[12:33:11] <Althego> 6GB/s
L200[12:33:11] <Mat2ch> but having to
write a shell script for every single service is not a good way to
start things.
L201[12:33:28] <Mat2ch> Now there's a
single piece of software managing all the services
L202[12:33:29] <Althego> now you have to
write a unit file for those
L203[12:33:39] <Mat2ch> which makes life
much more easy
L204[12:33:43] <Deddly> Moving 26,000
files from one SSD to another, 50% complete already
L205[12:33:44] <Althego> actually i have
no problems with this
L206[12:33:52] <Althego> the problem is
that systemd has everythng
L207[12:33:57] <Mat2ch> Have you ever
written both? I love unit files, they're small and peaceful
L208[12:34:03] <Althego> from dns to 3d
barcode reading, why? beats me
L209[12:34:11] <Althego> yes i did
L210[12:34:29] <Althego> i like unit files
too
L211[12:34:32] <Althego> that is not the
issue
L212[12:34:58] <Mat2ch> well, they are
going to far a bit, yes. But that's how people are with new tools.
They have to play with them and figure out what's good and what's
not
L213[12:35:37] <Mat2ch> uh, where's the
systemd barcode thingy at? I'd like to take a look ;)
L214[12:36:41] <Deddly> Right, if I want
Linux Mint that never needs reinstalling, that's LMDE, right?
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L219[12:38:23] <Deddly> C'mon Althego
you're about to convert me to Linux ;)
L220[12:38:41] <Althego> lol why
L221[12:38:58] <Althego> for everyday use
it literally doesnt matter what your os is
L222[12:39:46] <Althego> i guess mint is
ok, since it is not rpm based :)
L223[12:40:20] <Deddly> I always liked
dual booting, and now I have the space for it. In the past, I have
also repaired Windows from within Linux
L224[12:40:40] <Althego> there are a bunch
of live distros for rapir
L225[12:40:57] <Deddly> Linux has a lot of
great applications, as well. I remember some very good video
editing software I used to use
L226[12:41:44] <Althego> hehe, video
editing used to be rocky seas for linux
L227[12:41:59] <Althego> but i dont know
what is its current state
L228[12:42:02] <Deddly> So you're saying I
should NOT get Linux?
L229[12:42:26] <Althego> my main computer
is on windows, for work i use linux
L230[12:42:38] <Althego> i wouldnt want to
compile anything on windows
L231[12:42:51] <Deddly> Well in that case,
maybe I should get Aros instead, :D
L233[12:45:23] <Althego> looks old
school
L234[12:45:29] <Deddly> Amiga
L235[12:45:45] <Althego> i never had
amiga
L236[12:46:32] <Deddly> They were
great
L237[12:46:38] <Althego> so i have
heard
L238[13:04:48] <Mat2ch> Well, Psyonix just
announced that Rocket League wont be supported on Linux much
longer. And I remember a time, where Epic would be... epic.
L239[13:20:09] <SnoopJeDi> Wow! Nice shot!
OMG!
L240[13:20:46] <Althego> what
L242[13:21:12] <Althego> i make it non
causal with this
L243[13:22:07] <Mat2ch> SnoopJeDi:
:(
L244[13:24:35] <UmbralRaptop> blink
L245[13:25:43] <Althego> comparator
L246[13:48:36] <SnoopJeDi> Mat2ch, yea
:(
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L248[14:07:52] <Althego> hehe, action lab.
air umbrella
L249[14:22:55] <Mat2ch> SnoopJeDi: well,
reddit is already hating very much
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L264[15:41:24] <Mat2ch> Well, on the plus
side now I have time to finish my Jool mission
L265[15:41:28] <Deddly> Erbin looks like
he's about to throw up
L266[15:41:40] <Mat2ch> and then KSP2 will
come out and have no Linux support as well.
L267[15:41:46] <Mat2ch> Well, time to move
on then
L268[15:42:10] <Deddly> KSP2 has no Linux
support? Huh. I'd forgotten that. Wine 5?
L269[15:42:35] <hatrix> he has only been
hired because he's expandable
L270[15:42:44] <hatrix> no linux for KSP2?
:o
L271[15:42:57] <hatrix> I guess proton
will work well
L272[15:43:52] <Mat2ch> Deddly: It's not
yet announced, but I bet it wont have
L273[15:44:00] <Mat2ch> hatrix: not
buying
L274[15:44:36] <Mat2ch> Not for a game I
like modding. Proton/wine will add a layer of pain
L275[15:45:08] <hatrix> for sure
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L281[16:06:20] <hatrix> I don't fully
understand Δv maps, for Duna it takes me around 700m/s to be
captured
L282[16:06:28] <hatrix> on the map it's
written 250m/s
L283[16:06:31] <hatrix> what do I do
wrong?
L284[16:09:06] <UmbralRaptop> How did you
do your capture? In practice these tend to assume a very low
periapsis, and I'm not sure if they include circularization
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L287[16:09:51] <hatrix> I'm high, roughly
4 000 000m
L288[16:09:58] <UmbralRaptop> ah
L289[16:10:13] <hatrix> should I try to be
closer next time?
L290[16:10:33] <UmbralRaptop> It's
worthwhile to aim for an arrival with periapsis just above the
atmosphere (beware of Ike)
L291[16:11:23] <hatrix> I took enough Δv
to be comfortable but I'm still worrying
L292[16:11:49] <hatrix> how do you handle
maneuvers when periapsis kicks?
L293[16:13:38] <UmbralRaptop> I'm not sure
I understand the question
L294[16:15:26] <hatrix> with nuclear
engines, my burn time is around 15 min, I'd like to burn for a few
mins, do one orbit and burn again, etc
L295[16:15:35] <hatrix> the maneuvers
don't like that though
L296[16:17:51] <UmbralRaptop> Ah,
something like multiple maneuver nodes. Though with that sort of
TWR with nuclear engines, I'd hope you have a few km/s to spare?
>_>;;
L297[16:19:04] <hatrix> the only way I
found to make it work is to create a new maneuver node every
node
L298[16:19:08] <hatrix> it's painful
L299[16:21:47] <UmbralRaptop> yeah
L300[16:22:00] <hatrix> every orbit*
L301[16:22:20] <packbart> there was a mod
once (rather a kOS script, iirc), "MechVal" that set up a
number of periapsis kicking nodes
L302[16:22:33] <packbart> from an initial
node
L303[16:22:55] <hatrix> I'd prefer to stay
stock though
L304[16:23:45] <packbart> add moar
boosters ;)
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L306[17:00:10] <hatrix> this mobile
processing lab does wonders :o
L307[17:00:27] <hatrix> almost feels like
cheating earning so much science at once
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L315[18:02:19] *
darsie made an improved tanker with heat shielded solar panels, an
additional battery for attitude control during aerobraking and I
put the docking port for the fuel truck at the correct
height.
L316[18:03:33] <FLHerne> ...and then it
exploded?
L317[18:03:37] <darsie> no
L318[18:03:44] <FLHerne> Aw, no fun
L319[18:03:56] <darsie> Well, yes, when I
tried aerobraking at 40 km.
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L323[18:24:12] <Fluburtur> but I rarely
use it anyways
L324[18:24:12] <Fluburtur> I could set up
my laptop to do math for einstein@home but it would take like 2
weeks to do one task
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L327[18:28:16] <darsie> Keep it
running.
L328[18:28:43] <darsie> I'm getting a GTX
750TI card.
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L331[18:30:55] <darsie> 6.5 times faster
than my quadro FX 1800, if passmark is correct.
L332[18:31:46] <darsie> We'll see if it
makes KSP faster. IIRC you said it's cpu bound.
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L335[18:36:32] <transitbiker1> bwoop
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L338[18:38:21] <transitbiker1> chatting
via my dual usb iBook ^-^
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L342[18:44:56] <transitbiker1> poor UR,
having trouble staying on the wagon
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L344[18:48:57] <Raptop> Walking around
campus with WiFi does not end well
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L351[20:04:46] <nate> especially if you
plan to commit crimes on campus :P
L352[20:05:11] <Flayer> i don't feel
well
L353[20:06:41] <darsie> Flayer: Did you
play too much or too little KSP?
L354[20:09:17] <Flayer> i don't think
there is a right amount of KSP to resolve this matter
L355[20:11:17] *
Raptop mainly just commits bird crimes
L356[20:11:30] <Raptop> (jay walking and
sci-hub)
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L358[20:27:12] <transitbiker> bwoop
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L360[20:27:39] <transitbiker> i joined,
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L362[20:27:51] <transitbiker> there we
go
L363[20:30:56] <transitbiker> i do not
understand asparagus staging with practical craft
L364[20:31:12] <darsie> never heard about
that.
L365[20:32:08] <transitbiker> its where
bits that you jetison have more fuel the closer to the core stage ?
or something
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L371[21:20:54] <Raptop> It's less
important now than it used to be, given that engines have higher
TWR, and the souposphere is gone
L372[21:23:59] <Flayer> i just put 3
jumbos next to each other and feed into the center one
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L383[22:37:41] <Flayer> ahh the moment has
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