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L3[00:54:37] <transit_> Bwoop
L4[00:55:00] <transit_> O jeeze am I already
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L5[00:55:39] <transit_> Yes, yes I am.
L6[00:56:17] <transit_> Nite, all!
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L8[00:56:26] <Althego> lol
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L49[06:49:57] <Flayer> jeb and bob have
returned from duna!
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L51[06:51:20] *
UmbralRaptop declares Duna kraken-free
L52[07:07:31] <hatrix> do you have
screenshots Flayer?
L53[07:07:37] <Flayer> nah
L54[07:07:41] <hatrix> I'm always
interested in rocket designs
L55[07:07:53] <hatrix> last time I went to
Duna I managed to get Bob stranded
L56[07:08:01] <hatrix> and the rescue
mission put him in orbit of the sun…
L57[07:08:06] <Flayer> it was a pretty
standard apollo design, although constructed out of two
launches
L59[07:12:25] <darsie> Had to split the
departure burn over three passes since the Spark is so weak.
L60[07:12:31] <darsie> But fine for landing
on Minmus.
L61[07:15:05] <darsie> Landing was a bit
rough, but the wheels handled it well.
L62[07:17:11] <darsie> Stupid me didn't
want to support the brakes with a burn to slow down the rolling
vehicle to save fuel. Forgot it has a refinery :).
L63[07:17:30] <Flayer> lol
L64[07:23:07] <Flayer> i need a
duna-to-orbit fuel transport i think
L65[07:25:29] <darsie> Did you use the dv
map to plan your return missions?
L66[07:25:54] <Flayer> i dont know what
that is, so i doubt it
L67[07:26:05] <darsie> It's in the
topic.
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L70[07:27:43] <Flayer> i just did it by
feel/overkill
L71[07:27:57] <Flayer> "overkill"
which turned out to be just enough with some aerobreaking
L72[07:27:59] <Mat2ch> darsie: I fear you
have to explain what dV means ;)
L73[07:28:06] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur!
L74[07:30:14] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: what are
you up to lately?
L75[07:30:33] <Mat2ch> I always think at
you when I visit my parents. There's still so much stuff for you
there ;)
L76[07:32:42] <darsie> dv (or correctly Δv)
is the change in velocity you can achieve with a rocket:
Δv=v_e*ln(m0/m1). v_e=exhaust velocity=Isp(specific
impulse)*g(~9.81 m/s2). m0=initial/wet rocket mass, m1=final/dry
rocket mass.
L77[07:34:04] <darsie> Flayer: ^
L78[07:34:29] <Flayer> well i have no idea
what any of that means
L79[07:34:34] <Flayer> but i am aware of
'dv'
L80[07:34:53] <Flayer> its the numbers on
the left
L81[07:34:54] <darsie> To get from LKO to
the Mun you need to increase your speed by 860 m/s, according to
the dv map.
L82[07:35:25] <darsie> Flayer: Don't be
scared of what I wrote. Read it slowly.
L83[07:35:43] <Flayer> i'm not scared, just
not that interested
L84[07:36:17] <darsie> But you don't
actually need to know how to calculate it yourself, since recent
versions of KSP do it for you.
L85[07:36:25] <Flayer> exactly!
L86[07:36:49] <darsie> Δv=v_e*ln(m0/m1) is
a quite simple formula, though.
L87[07:37:05] <hatrix> before understanding
the physics, my journeys always were a failure
L88[07:37:12] <hatrix> now it's still the
same, but I know why :p
L89[07:37:17] <darsie> :)
L90[07:37:18] <Flayer> tee-hee
L91[07:38:23] <Flayer> i feel like going to
the supermarket and getting a big box of peanut butter
candies
L92[07:38:34] <Flayer> but i'm not sure if
they will even have them
L93[07:40:29] <hatrix> sounds like
diabetes
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L96[07:43:50] <darsie> Sometimes I'm not
sure if it works out and test it.
L97[07:44:06] <Flayer> i doubt i would be
able to get that into orbit lol
L98[07:44:38] <Flayer> also my kerbonaut
would be doa
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L100[07:47:08] <hatrix> already saw that
screenshot :)
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L102[07:48:58] <darsie> Flayer: Do you use
a life support mod?
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L104[07:49:04] <Flayer> yus
L105[07:49:07] <darsie> ok
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L108[07:50:34] <darsie> I could have used
only one Oscar B tank, I think and used the jetpack for the
remaining dv. But this way was more convenient.
L109[07:52:47] <packbart> I'll start the
next career without life-support mods and go back to the good old
ways. I've been using Tac-LS before and now Kerbalism which is
frustrating me a bit with its time-warp weirdness
L110[07:53:13] <Flayer> i got snacks cause
its nice and simple
L111[07:53:36] <darsie> Kerbals are
plants. All they need is Sun :).
L112[07:53:50] <UmbralRaptop> pacifist
orks
L113[07:53:51] <Flayer> nah, my kerbals
are underground dwellers
L114[07:53:54] <darsie> Maybe some
tardigrades to turn the oxygen back to CO2 :).
L115[07:54:59] <darsie> Flayer: Get some
artificial lights, then :).
L116[07:55:56] <sandbox> Urist
Kerman
L117[07:58:14] <darsie> Admittedly, it
took some trial and error tuning to get this and other rockets to
work.
L118[07:58:57] <darsie> Those are declared
simulations.
L119[08:01:01] <darsie> Like, I tilt the
rocket so it flies just too low, so I have to fly straight for a
certain while (e.g. till I reach a certain speed) before switching
to prograde hold.
L120[08:05:38] <darsie> That reaction
wheel is in this position cause it counterbalances the seat that
has to be off center to fit the horizontal Kerbal in the
fairing.
L121[08:07:02] <Flayer> in better
news
L122[08:07:08] <Flayer> it appears my
toothache has been resolved
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L128[09:09:01] <Tsar_bomba> What are the
rules, they are blocked for me
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L132[09:17:21] <packbart> The rules are
offline.
L133[09:17:32] <Flayer> there's one that
says 'no cursing' i think
L135[09:19:02] <Althego> mothership.
drives offline
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L139[09:39:35] <UmbralRaptop> ah, driveby
questions
L140[09:40:41] <packbart> returning
customer
L141[09:40:57] <Tank2333_> asking
questions and leaving after 5 seconds?
L142[09:42:06] <Althego> why bother asking
the question if they dont wait for the answer?
L143[09:42:26] <packbart> why bother
asking yourself that question? because people :)
L144[09:42:39] <Althego> because
science
L145[09:50:40] <Althego> self playing
banjo
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L147[10:20:00] <UmbralRaptop> Why are
humans like that?
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L150[10:54:27] <transit1> reminds me of
the time a woman and her child asked me which train goes to nyc
from trenton, to which i replied "this one does, and the next
one, but the next one is an express, so it gets in quite a bit
before this one"
L151[10:54:38] <transit1> they thanked me
then boarded the local
L152[10:55:12] <transit1> express pulls in
5 minutes later, i board, ride, get out at newark for my routine
switch to PATH
L153[10:55:38] <transit1> train comes in
on track 1 while i'm texting with my girlfriend at the time
L154[10:56:01] <transit1> (trakc 1 is
connected to the PATH system across the same platform)
L155[10:56:28] <transit1> lady and kid
come off the train, look at me like i have 3 heads
L156[10:56:35] <Althego> cikin
separated?
L157[10:56:38] <transit1> yeah maybe i
knew what i was talking about after all :P
L158[10:56:39] <Althego> colon
L159[10:56:45] <Althego> (because
PATH)
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L161[10:57:51] <transit1> its a system
that connects hudson county with new york county across the hudson
river and operated by the ny nj port authority hence PA TH port
authority trans hudson
L162[10:58:47] <transit1> anyways, i was a
nyc tour guide for 6 years and i can confirm that people are a pain
in the buttocks
L163[10:59:01] <transit1> myself
included
L164[10:59:04] <transit1> :D
L165[10:59:12] <Althego> hehe
L166[10:59:39] <Althego> i am quite sure
neanderthals were better people, but we killed them all, so we are
the surviving evils
L167[11:00:06] <transit1> we have some of
their genes
L168[11:00:22] <transit1> so now we can
have orange or red hair .. and wear jeans?
L169[11:00:44] <transit1> darwin's hunger
games
L170[11:01:51] <Althego> still
ongoing
L171[11:01:55] <transit1> cognitive
bias
L172[11:02:08] <Althego> doesnt end as
long as there are living things on the planet
L173[11:02:41] <transit1> i think some
people when they drive use cognitive bias ply tires.. they just
have way less control and are inferior handling
L174[11:04:18] <Mat2ch> The problem with
thinking is: You've got to have time and energy for that. Our
modern society deprives us from both things.
L175[11:06:41] <Althego> how so
L176[11:08:00] <Mat2ch> Well, not you and
my obviously. We both have time to hang around in this channel and
chat all day
L177[11:08:09] <Mat2ch> but look at the
rest of society
L178[11:08:09] <Althego> hehe
L179[11:08:19] <Mat2ch> I could use a
project, though
L180[11:08:28] <Mat2ch> not earning any
money in January hurts my feelings
L181[11:08:29] <Althego> technically i am
here all day, but not really listtening
L182[11:08:46] <Althego> but you dont have
a boss
L183[11:09:22] <Mat2ch> and also no money
to buy me nice things :P
L184[11:09:54] <Mat2ch> well, I need not
only nice things, but to replace a few things here
L185[11:12:37] <Mat2ch> Worst part is that
I'm waiting for two companies to give me a call. If I have to wait
any longer I'll start looking for new projects
L186[11:13:18] <Althego> "ring ring,
why dont you give me a call?"
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L188[11:16:19] <Mat2ch> Tomorrow I'll
bother the first one :D
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L191[11:24:57] <Mat2ch> I'm a bit sad that
there are so few tandem rotor helicopters
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L197[11:46:23] <Tank2333_> ill can confirm
that in a bluecollor/industrial job industrial automation killed a
lot of thinking time, because you have to pay attention to
something without having anything to do most of the time,
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L202[11:53:08] <Tank2333_> also often the
"free" time you gain when a process gets automated is
used for more low skilled work like hauling
L203[11:54:32] <Althego> worse, excel
sheets :)
L204[11:54:44] <Althego> the biggest lie
in moden history. it doesn help anybody
L205[11:55:21] <Tank2333_> :)
L206[11:57:59] <Althego> hehe i remember
we were often hunting with the siemens support guy suitable wooden
parts behind the warehouse for the air cushion floatation
thing
L207[11:58:34] <Mat2ch> You mean the
Siemens Lufthaken.
L208[11:58:36] <Mat2ch> :P
L209[11:58:46] <Tank2333_> i wish i could
use excel for the planning steps in my daily parts list i have to
do, but half of the people that work at thos machines dont have
computers at home
L210[11:58:51] <Althego> hehe no
L211[11:59:23] <Althego> anyway working in
factories is one of the biggest waste of time
L212[12:00:37] <Althego> so elon wants
people on mars until 2050? isnt that way later than he originally
planned?
L213[12:00:49] <Tank2333_> some people are
made for it though, but general there is no personal development to
be had
L214[12:01:08] <Althego> exactly
L215[12:01:12] <Tank2333_> 2050 is even
later than nasa
L216[12:02:26] <Althego> maybe i should
watch thevideo to see what he meant by that
L217[12:02:34] <Althego> maybe colonists,
not just people
L218[12:02:41] <Tank2333_> yeah
L219[12:03:43] <packbart> Mat2ch: The
problem with thinking is that it requires too much order. Entropy
will win in the end
L220[12:07:45] <Tank2333_> one time a
apprentice said to me "i feel like people here can only do
things fast and not good anymore" i could only nod to him...
kind of sad
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L222[12:09:16] <packbart> you didn't have
the time for a proper answer and had to do it fast? ;)
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L224[12:09:16] <Althego> so next starlink
is on friday
L225[12:10:14] <Tank2333> packbart
exactly
L226[12:11:02] <Althego> hehe
L227[12:11:23] <Tank2333> how will
starlink be priced? is that out yot?
L228[12:11:25] <Tank2333> yet
L229[12:11:27] <packbart> I can already
feel the howls of astrophysicists on another channel
L230[12:11:33] <Althego> hehe
L231[12:11:37] <NGC3982> already?
L232[12:11:40] <packbart> Tank2333: both
customers share the costs
L233[12:11:41] <Althego> liek the famous
obi wan quote about alderaan?
L234[12:11:45] <NGC3982> i thought
commercial usage of starlink was years away
L235[12:11:55] <Althego> probably
L236[12:12:11] <Althego> i dont remember
but they need few hundred to start making any use of it
L237[12:12:19] <Althego> and that is only
for tests
L238[12:12:29] <Althego> and thousands for
any commercial usage
L239[12:12:44] <Althego> they want what,
12000?
L240[12:13:07] <Tank2333> +3000 from
oneweb
L241[12:13:16] <Althego> is that the
amazon thing?
L242[12:13:24] <packbart> I wonder how
many StarPing sats China is going to want to launch
L243[12:13:27] <Tank2333> and amzon will
get onto that band wagon too i guess
L244[12:14:03] <Althego> supposedly with
starship they can launch 400 at one time
L245[12:15:03] <transit1> they should name
the first one "jefferson"
L246[12:15:12] <Althego> why
L247[12:15:51] <Tank2333> starship i
pretty far out i think
L248[12:16:09] <Althego> they need a few
years for that
L249[12:16:19] <Althego> it is very much
in the early stages
L250[12:16:38] <Althego> i think if they
can make it to comercial usage in 5 years they were really
fast
L251[12:17:08] <Tank2333> maybe they have
to ditch the stainless steel in situ building
L252[12:17:12] <transit1> why?
L254[12:17:51] <transit1> :D
L255[12:18:25] <transit1> they played
bowie, why not jefferson starship?
L256[12:19:03] <transit1> plus its pretty
fitting of spacex
L257[12:19:10] <Althego> arent they
somewhat off?
L258[12:19:13] <transit1> building a dream
etc
L259[12:19:18] <Althego> with the
pitch
L260[12:19:33] <transit1> it's
polychromatic
L261[12:19:46] <Althego> it sounds
disturbing
L262[12:19:59] <Tank2333> polychromatic,
jeez
L263[12:20:11] <Tank2333> even chromatic
sounds bad
L264[12:20:31] <transit1> most choral work
is polychromatic, as people have differing vocal timbre
L265[12:21:33] <Tank2333> but they dont
sing half a halfstep notes from each other
L267[12:22:48] <Althego> ah elon wants 1
million people on mars by 2050
L268[12:22:53] <Althego> that is a
city
L269[12:23:10] <Tank2333> a city is
10000
L270[12:23:17] <Althego> by name
L271[12:23:19] <Tank2333> one million is a
small country
L272[12:23:29] <transit1> we built this
city?
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L275[12:23:35] <Althego> i wouldnt feel
good in a city with 100k people
L277[12:24:07] <transit1> :D
L278[12:24:35] <Tank2333> to small?
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L280[12:24:43] <Althego> yes, too
small
L281[12:25:24] <transit1> we built this
city on rocks & soil
L282[12:25:37] <Tank2333> 100k is a good
size, you still have cultural things going on with 50 below it gets
realy boring :)
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L284[12:26:34] <Tank2333> but the smaller
the city the nicer the people
L285[12:27:37] <UmbralRaptor>
ahahahahah
L286[12:27:45] <Tank2333> in the villages
around here if the employees in shops have a very good modd in
general
L287[12:28:06] <Tank2333> -if
L288[12:28:30] <Althego> good modding
comunity :)
L289[12:28:40] <UmbralRaptor> I'd suggest
that you need >500k to have interesting restaurants barring
cities that make culture a big deal
L290[12:28:43] <transit1> dont you
remember? We built this city! We built this city on rock &
soil!
L291[12:29:05] <UmbralRaptor> Anyway, 1e6
people to Mars in 30 years is, uh,
L292[12:29:15] <Althego> make it 20
L293[12:29:26] <packbart> how many of them
alive?
L294[12:29:28] <Althego> because you need
to get the whole thing going, that is at least 10 years
L295[12:29:33] <Althego> if not 20
L296[12:29:37] <Althego> lol
L297[12:29:48] <UmbralRaptor> okay, 91 to
137 people per day
L298[12:30:10] <Althego> not a big deal if
you have hundreds of starships
L299[12:30:17] <Althego> but this name is
really dumb
L300[12:30:35] <Althego> could have named
it the silver rod of joy :?)
L301[12:30:37] <UmbralRaptor> How many
launch windows are there between now and 2050, anyway?
L302[12:30:51] <Tank2333> 2
L303[12:31:04] <Althego> isnt it 2 years 2
months?
L304[12:31:17] <UmbralRaptor> Something
like that
L305[12:31:54] <Althego> around 13?
L306[12:31:59] <Althego> maybe 14
L307[12:32:14] <UmbralRaptor> call it 14
windows, including the one *this year*
L308[12:32:42] <Althego> and lose around 4
of that
L309[12:33:05] <UmbralRaptor> Yeah, so on
the order of 100k people per window
L310[12:33:10] <Althego> so make it 10,
which means 100k people in each window?
L311[12:33:21] <Althego> that is an
exodus
L312[12:33:50] <packbart> transport the
colonists in dehydrated form, melt ice on Mars to resurrect
them
L313[12:33:56] <UmbralRaptor> Why say 1
million instead of a plausible 10s, optimistically 100s?
L314[12:33:57] <Althego> hehe
L315[12:34:01] <Althego> like water
ebars?
L316[12:34:09] <packbart> yes, I've
listened to the first Trisolaris (audio)book
L317[12:34:09] *
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L318[12:34:26] <UmbralRaptor>
human-tardigrade hybrids!
L319[12:34:51] <Tank2333> i get reminded
of startrek discovery... please no
L320[12:35:09] <Althego> hehe
L321[12:35:21] <UmbralRaptor> Haven't seen
that one
L322[12:35:24] <Althego> we live in a time
when start trek is not star trek and star wars is not star
wars
L323[12:35:38] <Althego> i was never a
doctor who fan, but voount that in too
L324[12:35:39] <UmbralRaptor> So, 40k
movies when?
L325[12:35:41] <packbart> hauling water
bags is so inefficient. the future are travelluing virtual minds in
computer bays
L326[12:35:53] *
packbart likes The Culture, too
L327[12:35:57] <Tank2333> also jumanji is
not jumanji anymore
L328[12:36:13] <Tank2333> jurassic park
too
L329[12:36:32] <UmbralRaptor> Feathered
dinosaurs when?
L330[12:36:37] <Tank2333> and a Matrix
reboot is in the making i heard...
L331[12:36:42] <Tank2333> just no...
L332[12:36:56] <Tank2333> UmbralRaptor
never
L333[12:37:08] <Tank2333> i would love
that though
L334[12:38:37] <Tank2333> the amount of
francises hollywood has tried to reboot and turned into garbage is
mind boggling
L335[12:39:55] <packbart> no worries. KSP
2 is going to be great
L336[12:40:00] <Tank2333> its if they only
want to make money and dont care about the art..
L337[12:40:14] <Tank2333> i hope so
:)
L338[12:40:15] <Althego> continuing my
though, supposedly the upcoming dune is going to be good
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L340[12:40:50] <Althego> i tell you what,
princess bride remake
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L342[12:40:59] <Althego> at least there
was a rumour about that last year
L343[12:41:06] <Althego> why would anybody
want to make that?
L344[12:41:16] <Althego> ok, money, but it
can only be a failure
L345[12:42:48] <packbart> Sissi!
L346[12:42:52] <Tank2333> not sure i evene
know that movie
L347[12:43:00] <Tank2333> im up for
sissi
L348[12:43:15] <Tank2333> watched the 3
movies with a freind lately :)
L349[12:44:01] <Tank2333> but i guess it
would have 20 minutes of mindless action scenes at the end
L350[12:48:59] <Althego> hehe nerd
question, did intel or boeing had the worse year in 2019?
L351[12:50:26] <packbart> I'd say Boeing.
Intel is still selling chips and can't be tied directly to any
deaths
L352[12:50:46] <UmbralRaptor> same
L353[12:51:00] <packbart> (probably not
counting missile CPUs)
L354[12:51:20] <Althego> doubt those are
intel
L355[12:51:54] <UmbralRaptor> Hm. Boeing
doesn't make any ground attack aircraft, right?
L356[12:56:30] <Althego> did any of you
get that yt ad about a social business something site with the grey
haired guy with the fat head? a friend of mine told me that was
alec baldwin. i was like, whaaaat
L357[12:59:33] *
UmbralRaptor has been running adblockers for ~15 years, so
no
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L359[13:01:02] <Althego> anyway it was
shocking to see the difference to the image i had of him in my
head. it was so big i didnt recognize him. this also means i am
getting old too
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L365[13:47:37] <transit> Test
L366[13:47:42] <transit> O good
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L368[13:48:07] <Althego> o not good
L369[13:48:13] <Althego> or rather x not
good
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L392[17:38:56] <darsie> Can we remove rule
"Changing the subject of conversation in a thread without a
natural tie to the topic at hand;" ?
L393[17:40:10] <darsie> Is this the
international section?
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L395[17:45:36] <Guest8169> For IRC
purposes?
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L397[17:46:08] <raptop> We've, uh, been
stuck with that for ages for no good reason, and politely ignore
it
L398[17:51:12] <nate> "in a
thread" doesn't sound very IRC relative
L399[17:51:54] <nate> or were the IRC
rules written by someone with more forum moderation experiences
than IRC? lol
L400[17:52:08] <raptop> The former
L401[17:52:23] <nate> makes sense then
:P
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L406[19:44:05] <Fluburtur> yes
L407[19:44:07] <Fluburtur> trying to make
my long range plane work and trying to somehow make money
L408[19:44:09] <Fluburtur> why does
burning lithium smell like cake icing
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L426[22:43:01] <Flayer> oh, i like the
re-entry modules
L427[22:57:06] <Flayer> i'm gonna put them
on the space hotel as escape pods
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