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L11[03:11:53] <Deddly> IFA test was cool. I
would have liked to have seen video from inside the capsule, though
:)
L12[03:14:13] <Althego> what could oyu see
from the inside?
L13[03:14:20] <Althego> thesplashdown
L14[03:15:35] <JVFoxy> how quick that
booster just blows up though.. ouch
L15[03:15:52] <JVFoxy> Intact to insta
fireball in half a frame
L16[03:17:35] <Deddly> Video from stage 2
would have been interesting, too
L17[03:17:56] <Althego> watch the fireball
from the inside?
L18[03:18:16] <TheKosmonaut> Having a G
meter would be nice.
L19[03:18:23] <Deddly> Stage 2 survived
until splashdown - video would have been pointing down into the
explosion
L20[03:18:29] <Althego> and a kerbal head
in the lower right :)
L21[03:18:40] <Deddly> TheKosmonaut, I was
thinking that, too. I kept looking for the G meter on the
navball...
L22[03:18:47] <JVFoxy> So... booster just
goes 'dumb' soon as it was detachted? Then again, usually it
doesn't seperate till way up higher
L23[03:18:59] <Mat2ch> I really wonder how
they do the checking if the booster is alright. Multiple
accelerometers and if in a certain phase of flight the acceleration
is off, fire and away?
L24[03:19:12] <Deddly> JVFoxy, Booster was
commanded to shut down
L25[03:19:25] <Mat2ch> Deddly: Stage 2
released water and left a nice trail ;)
L26[03:19:37] <Deddly> Mat2ch, not water
:)
L27[03:19:56] <Mat2ch> I thought the tanks
of stage 2 were just packed with water as mass simulators?
L28[03:19:57] <Deddly> It was filled with
fuel and oxidiser
L29[03:20:03] <TheKosmonaut> It’s crazy to
me that the pad abort was 5y ago
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L31[03:20:37] <Deddly> TheKosmonaut, Yeah,
space is close, and to stay there you have to go fast, but it's
incredibly slow....
L32[03:20:47] <Mat2ch> TheKosmonaut: I
think back then they wanted to land it powered. Then they decided
against it and had to redesign
L33[03:21:01] <Mat2ch> Then the
failure
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L35[03:21:10] <Mat2ch> hundreds of
parachute tests...
L37[03:21:23] <JVFoxy> Deddly like in
completely shutdown? RCS usually keeps it tracking on a normal
fight after seperation right?
L38[03:22:15] <Deddly> JVFoxy, This I don't
know. But according to Scott Manley, it was commanded to shot down
at the same time as the capsule separated
L39[03:22:27] <Deddly> shut*
L40[03:23:26] <Deddly> Mat2ch, Yeah,
original plan was powered landings, but they realised they would
never be able to convince NASA that it was as safe as parachutes,
and they needed to certify the parachute system, anyway
L41[03:23:27] <JVFoxy> Deddly ya saw the
vid. The capsule decided when the abort was going to actually
happen.
L42[03:24:01] <JVFoxy> Heh.. Gemini was
going to be a paraglider system..
L43[03:24:49] <Deddly> Soyuz has parachutes
AND rockets, doesn't it?
L44[03:25:00] <JVFoxy> you bombing down
rear first, but then how do you swing around for a parawing system
without too much jaring?
L45[03:25:02] <Deddly> Solid rockets that
fire just before touchdown
L46[03:25:41] <JVFoxy> ya
L47[03:25:47] <Althego> the so called soft
landing jets
L48[03:26:03] <Althego> which is a full
traffic accident
L49[03:26:13] <JVFoxy> I don't remember,
mercury I think, had some sort of 'air cushion' thing it depoyed on
water landings to help soften things.
L50[03:26:57] <JVFoxy> land does tend to be
pretty solid... water not so much.. well up to certain speed.
L51[03:27:28] <Deddly> I just love it how
SpaceX has gone from great rockets to full-on scifi massive
spacecraft
L52[03:28:20] <JVFoxy> almost old school
scifi at that
L53[03:38:49] <Deddly> Did you see how much
Elon wants to scape it up?
L54[03:39:12] <Althego> it is funny that
during the parachute testing they found out that the testing was
inadequate, so every other spacecraft was potentially unsafe, they
were just lucky
L55[03:39:45] <Deddly> How so,
Althego?
L56[03:40:07] <Althego> i am not sure
L57[03:40:22] <JVFoxy> something they said
and not much explination?
L58[03:40:28] <Althego> but suposedly nasa
will take the extended testing created by spacex fro future
use
L59[03:41:37] <Mat2ch> I guess they dropped
the test crafts from too low altitudes, so they never were fast
enough for a real test
L60[03:42:07] <JVFoxy> ...
L61[03:42:12] <Mat2ch> A helicopter can get
how high? 10k feet/3 km?
L62[03:42:20] <Mat2ch> That's where all the
tests were made
L63[03:42:55] <JVFoxy> so.. nearly mach 2..
12km up wasn't enough?
L64[03:43:44] <Mat2ch> what do you
mean?
L65[03:43:50] <Mat2ch> yesterday?
L66[03:44:03] <JVFoxy> wait.. drop
tests
L67[03:44:46] <JVFoxy> sorry was still
stuck on the failure test, didn't realize there'd been chute and
drop tests prior to
L68[03:45:04] <Mat2ch> well, some tests
were performed 10 km up, I guess. But they just pushed the craft
out of the plane
L69[03:45:11] <Mat2ch> at probably low
speeds
L70[03:45:18] <Mat2ch> also I'm not sure if
they used jets
L71[03:45:47] <JVFoxy> even at slow speeds,
could still give some useful data
L72[03:46:09] <JVFoxy> high speed chute
tests usually done in hyper wind tunnels
L73[03:47:03] <Mat2ch> But the real world
is still different
L74[03:47:10] <Mat2ch> there are wind
shears and things
L75[03:47:39] <Mat2ch> So only a real test
like Space X did yesterday shows the full performance
L76[03:48:58] <Deddly> What exactly was the
parachute issue that SpaceX had previously? I was under the
understanding that Dragon 1 had been landing without issue for
years on parachutes
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L80[03:56:24] <JVFoxy> real world tests are
only the tip of the iceberg... there's been a lot of work put into
things prior, simulation isn't goin to be an exact copy of real
world but it does give a pretty good idea of how things would
go.
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L83[04:11:01] <Mat2ch> Deddly: Iirc NASA
wasn't happy with the four parachute design in case on fails
L84[04:11:10] <Mat2ch> No backup chutes and
everything
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L87[04:21:00] <JVFoxy> apollo 15 landed
with only 2 of the 3 chutes fully depolyed
L88[04:21:26] <JVFoxy> NASA decided to
revise their minimums since?
L89[04:22:25] <Mat2ch> Well, the Apollo
missions were almost 50 years ago
L90[04:22:40] <Mat2ch> and much was
pushed
L91[04:23:35] <JVFoxy> just did some
checking up. Soyuz has a reserve chute it seems
L92[04:23:37] <JVFoxy> but its
smaller
L93[04:24:04] <JVFoxy> then again.. it only
has the one main anyways
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L130[09:21:50] <pepeavelino22> hello
L131[09:21:51] <Mod9000> Hello,
pepeavelino22
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L133[09:22:14] <Althego> lol
L134[09:22:19] <darsie> .
L135[09:22:25] <Judge_Dedd> Wow
L136[09:22:32] <Althego> weight on
wheels
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L138[09:22:48] <Judge_Dedd> Just
kidding
L139[09:23:05] <Althego> not coming
back
L140[09:23:32] <darsie> Judge_Dedd: Is
that why we have to keep this channel kid friendly? ;)
L141[09:23:55] <Judge_Dedd> darsie, I
lolled at the chese
L142[09:23:57] <Judge_Dedd> cheese
L143[09:24:05] <Judge_Dedd> That was
Red5-level
L144[09:24:16] *
darsie can't see cheese.
L145[09:24:34] <Althego> selective cheese
blindness?
L146[09:24:58] <darsie> Maybe. I avoid
most animal products.
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L148[09:27:11] <Althego> hehe of course
portrait video is a crime gainst humanity so i am going to rotate
it :)
L149[09:27:23] <Althego> scott in his
spacex launch abort video
L150[09:27:33] <Judge_Dedd> That was the
most sensible thing Scott ever said
L151[09:27:44] <Althego> he intentionally
puts these up in a time where i need to wait almost 24 hours to
watch them
L152[09:27:47] <Judge_Dedd> (and he says a
lot of sensible things)
L153[09:28:06] <Althego> most video sites
now support them
L154[09:28:11] <Judge_Dedd> Yeah, that's
why he doesn't hang out in here anymore, Althego. It's to avoid
your wrath
L155[09:28:13] <Althego> they gave up the
fight
L156[09:28:30] <Althego> what wrath
L157[09:28:53] <Judge_Dedd> Your wrath at
him intentionally making you wait 24 hours
L158[09:29:41] <Judge_Dedd> It was a
joke
L159[09:30:02] <Mat2ch> I'm really a bit
sad that he doesn't hang out here anymore
L160[09:30:09] <Mat2ch> maybe he'll return
with KSP2
L161[09:30:21] <Althego> svott2 with
ksp2
L162[09:30:35] <Althego> that would be
either skye or orion :)
L163[09:31:27] <Judge_Dedd> Skye is an
awesome name, by the way
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L165[09:41:53] <Althego> elon still cant
talk
L166[09:42:39] <Althego> he should augment
his talking with ai so it becomes coherent
L167[09:43:24] <Judge_Dedd> LOL
L168[09:45:07] <Judge_Dedd> It's
interesting, though, because he knows that he has received a fair
bit of criticism for his public-speaking ability, and yet he
continues doing it because he wants personal contact with his
audience. I can respect that. Public speaking is hard
L169[09:46:06] <Judge_Dedd> And although
it would be nice if he prepared better, I would still rather hear
him speak from the heart than read a pre-written statement
L170[09:46:29] <Althego> i dont think you
need to prepare for all random questions
L171[09:48:29] <Althego> but still the
random pauses and sounds are really annoying
L172[09:49:15] <Judge_Dedd> Yup
L173[09:53:29] <packbart> and he often
answers a completely different question
L174[09:54:19] <Althego> that is just his
inner politician :)
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L187[11:14:43] <Tsar_bomba> Hi
L188[11:14:44] <Mod9000> Hello,
Tsar_bomba
L189[11:14:53] <Judge_Dedd> Hey
L190[11:15:10] <Althego> run, it is going
to explode
L191[11:15:19] <Flayer> so, i'm sending an
orbital surveyor with a detachable rover
L192[11:15:20] <Tsar_bomba> I don’t have
any thing else to do
L193[11:15:27] <Judge_Dedd> It's OK, it's
only set to use half of its potential energy
L194[11:15:36] <Flayer> and the first part
of a base: the mining gear and some supplies
L195[11:16:00] <Althego> thank you for
choosing mega scuttler corporation's 8d-96 full force mega
scuttler, a bomb to be proud of
L196[11:16:11] <Judge_Dedd> Hehe
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L198[11:16:22] <Judge_Dedd>
BOOOOOM
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L201[11:26:56] <Althego> hehe watched this
a few days ago
L202[11:27:11] <Althego> ?:i dont know how
the neighbors can tolerate this
L203[11:27:17] <Althego> sometimes
explosions, sometimes jet engines
L204[11:27:23] <Althego> how can you not
smile
L205[11:30:29] <Mat2ch> I guess the
neighbours are either all warned or living several km away ;)
L206[11:30:40] <Mat2ch> Space walk still
going
L207[11:31:48] <Althego> what are they
doing this time?
L208[11:34:30] <Mat2ch> Replacing
batteries (or better accumulators :P )
L209[11:34:43] <Mat2ch> and a lense of one
of the external cameras
L210[11:35:01] <Althego> so that battery
project is really long
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L213[11:37:28] <Mat2ch> almost done
L214[11:37:35] <Mat2ch> one space walk
left for the last pack
L215[11:38:08] <Mat2ch> They are replacing
all of the old ones.
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L221[12:23:48] <Flayer> i thought the
station was going to be dismantled in a few years
L222[12:24:01] <Althego> doubt that
L223[12:24:14] <Althego> even the mir was
running as long as it could
L224[12:24:16] *
Mat2ch too
L225[12:24:27] <Mat2ch> As long as it
works, they will add to it
L226[12:24:30] <Althego> the american side
may commercialzie
L227[12:25:00] <Mat2ch> The experiments
are already commercialized...
L228[12:25:15] <Mat2ch> and staying on the
ISS will become a lot less interesting when you can fly around the
Moon in 2022 ;)
L229[12:25:23] <Althego> hehe
L230[12:26:05] <Mat2ch> I would really
like to know if Space X will be done before 2030 with
Starship
L231[12:26:06] <Althego> by this time it
would have been possible if spacex had just human rated the falcon
heavy
L232[12:26:12] <UmbralRaptop> Not sure
what the end date is now (2024? 2028? later?)
L233[12:26:42] <Flayer> its probably kind
of not worth it to human rate the heavy if they're making that big
single rocket thing
L234[12:27:05] <Althego> yes, that is why
they didnt do it
L235[12:27:31] <Flayer> how much cargo
would the falcon heavy be able to bring to lunar orbit?
L236[12:28:10] <Althego> hehe cooler
master redesigned the thermal paste applicator, because they got
tired of explaining it to worried parents that it is not some kind
of illegal material
L237[12:28:56] <UmbralRaptop> I think the
heavy would end up needing an extra stage for non-zero?
L238[12:29:17] <UmbralRaptop> (a fair
amount to a lunar flyby, though)
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L240[12:30:56] <Althego> originally spacex
wanted to do it with the heavy
L241[12:31:01] <Althego> i am not sure
how
L242[12:31:19] <Althego> using kerolox in
the second stage engine is a limitation
L243[12:42:54] <Althego> next spacex
launch is in around 22 hours
L244[12:43:17] <Althego> the mars launch
windows is still so far away
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L255[14:27:53] <Althego> somewhat
related
L256[14:28:05] <Flayer> what are they
launching next?
L257[14:28:50] <Flayer> tbh i dont care
unless they're attempting a falcon heavy with three landings
again
L258[14:28:54] <Althego> hehe it seems
nothing. got delayed an unknown amount. but it was suposed to be
starlink
L259[14:29:04] <Flayer> that was sick, two
of 'em landing at the same tmie
L260[14:29:30] <Althego> 3 falcon heavy
launches this year. for now
L261[14:30:01] <Flayer> it feels very like
'year 2000' to see those rockets land
L262[14:30:22] <Flayer> like, this is how
is it supposed to be
L263[14:30:30] <Flayer> can't wait till we
see this all over the planet
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L269[14:43:41] <raptop> 'lo
L270[14:43:54] <raptop> Hrm.
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L276[15:30:55] <transit> bwoop
L277[15:31:46] <transit> gonna aim to make
a fuel transport rover
L278[15:54:07] <darsie> I made one, too.
Not in the current game, though, I'm afraid. It transport fuel from
the refinery to a landed rocket needing refuelling.
L279[15:54:56] <darsie> Hmm, I guess I
could have made the refinery in the rover.
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L292[17:26:46] <transit> bwoop
L293[17:28:32] <transit> i remember the
1.0 hype days, 700+ people in here, place was jumping
L294[17:40:45] <packbart> in Internet
Time, that was aeons ago ;)
L295[17:43:36] <sandbox> almost 5
years
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L298[18:16:35] <Azander> hehehe
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L327[20:50:56] <darsie> Had to split the
departure burn over three passes since the Spark is so weak.
L328[20:51:22] <darsie> But fine for
landing on Minmus.
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L335[22:03:25] <transit> Bwoop
L336[22:03:41] <darsie> .
L337[22:08:20] <transit> It’s amazing how
many active buildings still have lead paint, asbestos, and other
toxic & dangerous stuff
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L339[22:22:25] <darsie> Mercury
lamps.
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