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L16[05:33:50] <darsie> I want lift back for
Kerbals.
L17[05:33:57] <darsie> When
skydiving.
L18[05:37:35] <Deddly> Did they ever have
that?
L19[05:37:42] <Deddly> I thought they only
had drag
L20[05:37:48] <darsie> yes
L21[05:38:12] <darsie> Unless I was just
imagining it.
L22[05:39:47] <darsie> But it would only
come back post 1.8.1, and I'm not sure I want that. Maybe with a
new graphics card/computer.
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L28[06:44:09] <packbart> it might be
possible to patch a lifting surface into the Kerbal EVA
"part"
L29[06:44:20] <packbart> not sure how those
things work, though
L30[06:45:21] <darsie> Actually, I'm not
playing KSP much any more, so it's not very important.
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L36[07:35:44] <NGC3982> landing on moho is
so damn hard
L37[07:36:11] <Althego> not really, landing
is the easy part. getting there however...
L38[07:39:32] <NGC3982> :(.
L39[07:47:32] <FLHerne> Anyone else playing
FTL?
L40[07:47:55] <FLHerne> I just got a Glaive
Beam on the second fight of the first sector :
L41[07:47:57] <FLHerne> :D
L42[07:59:04] <FLHerne> ...and now I have a
pre-igniter
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L45[08:56:07] <darsie> NGC3982: Go to
Minmus, then ;).
L46[08:56:23] <darsie> Gilly is funny,
too.
L47[08:57:14] <darsie> All you need for
Moho is enough TWR and dv.
L48[08:57:27] <darsie> EER shows you
TWR.
L49[08:57:35] <darsie> for different
bodies.
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L51[09:02:49] <NGC3982> i got a bug whilst
warping
L52[09:02:58] <NGC3982> so i couldnt exit
the warp and was unable to use controls
L53[09:03:00] <NGC3982> so i quick
saved
L54[09:03:15] <NGC3982> f9 didnt respond to
quick loading and now i cant find the save where i even have the
craft
L55[09:04:11] <NGC3982> oh god i found
it
L56[09:14:53] <NGC3982> aaaand i didnt have
enough fuel anyway
L57[09:14:57] <NGC3982> for god sake
L58[09:15:31] <NGC3982> maybe i should
rething this all together. instead of packing enormous amounts of
dV from kerbin i could build a somewhat empty liquid fuel setup and
refuel on minmus
L59[09:17:37] <NGC3982> aaaaand i put all
my funds into this and quicksaved so no reverting
L60[09:17:40] <NGC3982> and no new
funds
L61[09:17:48] <NGC3982> so that's it for
this playthrough i guess
L62[09:27:44] <Althego> the game makes
backups
L63[09:28:50] <NGC3982> this was a good
indication of it being time to start over with a new company
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L86[13:30:52] <Deddly> I'm looking to get
an M.2 SSD. This is new ground for me... any recommendations?
L88[13:31:57] <Althego> hehe i didnt know
transcend is still around
L89[13:32:33] <Althego> i would look at
benchmarks
L90[13:32:40] <Deddly> Heck... last time I
bough a hard drive Seagate was the best of the best
L91[13:32:41] <Althego> or maybe just buy a
samsung
L92[13:32:46] <Althego> lol
L93[13:32:56] <Althego> when, 10 years
ago?
L94[13:33:00] <Deddly> More
L95[13:33:31] <Deddly> It was a SCSI2
L96[13:33:41] <Deddly> Amiga 1200
L97[13:33:50] <darsie> :)
L98[13:33:51] <Althego> the title says sata
2
L99[13:33:52] <Althego> 3
L100[13:33:55] <Althego> lol
L101[13:34:09] <Deddly> I believe the HDD
I bought was something like 256 MB
L102[13:34:49] <Deddly> This is how out of
date I am. Is SATA III good or what?
L103[13:35:08] <Althego> no, not really. i
would go with m.2 for an ssd
L104[13:35:34] <Deddly> I thought this
was m.2
L105[13:35:47] <Althego> the image
is
L106[13:36:04] <Deddly> Description says
"M.2 SSD"
L107[13:36:05] <Althego> but there is also
a sata 3 in the title
L108[13:36:34] <Deddly> Are you sure
you're not looking at the "Lower Priced Items to
Consider"?
L109[13:37:14] <Deddly> Oh right I see it
now
L110[13:37:46] <Deddly> M.2 seems like a
minefield the more I look into it. So many standards
L111[13:37:55] <Deddly> I was told that
this one works
L112[13:38:41] <umaxtu> most of the
standards are just different lengths
L113[13:38:48] <Althego> the only
minefield could be the nvme, but that doesnt help a normal user
that much
L114[13:39:06] <Deddly> OK, so I can have
42 mm length
L115[13:39:16] <Deddly> Is there anything
else I should think about?
L116[13:39:48] <umaxtu> make sure its not
QLC
L117[13:39:53] <Althego> hehe, true
L118[13:40:04] <Deddly> What's QLC?
L119[13:40:08] <Althego> quad level
cell
L120[13:40:33] <Althego> the newest and
cheapest technology, because it has more bits in the same
area
L121[13:40:49] <Althego> however it doesnt
have good properties
L122[13:40:59] <Deddly> Aha
L124[13:41:21] <Althego> it goes liek
this: slc, mlc, tlc qlc
L125[13:41:50] <umaxtu> you are looking
for a sata ssd?
L126[13:41:58] <Deddly> 500 MBps read/165
write
L127[13:42:03] <Deddly> I'm looking for
m.2
L128[13:42:19] <umaxtu> SATA m.2 or NVME
m.2?
L129[13:42:52] <Deddly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L130[13:43:20] <umaxtu> cause your
motherboard may only support only one or the other
L132[13:44:00] <Deddly> That one is SATA
III
L133[13:44:39] <Deddly> But Althego
implied that SATA and m.2 were mutually exclusive, I must have
misunderstood
L134[13:45:09] <Althego> maybe i dont
undertand this as much as i thought i did
L135[13:45:25] <umaxtu> I've got a 256gb
samsung sata m.2 drive that I'm not using. You in the US?
L136[13:46:01] <Deddly> Unfortunately not
- Scandinavia
L137[13:46:19] <Deddly> :(
L138[13:46:27] <Althego> but to me sata
what goes on to a sata interface. m.2 can be ahci or nvme
L139[13:46:33] <kubi> you need to check
the motherboard
L140[13:47:06] <umaxtu> Althego, people
tend to conflate ahci and sata
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L143[13:48:18] <kubi> is the
drive/motherboard NVMe?
L144[13:48:44] <umaxtu> Deddly, thats what
it looks like
L145[13:48:44] <kubi> so, then it is
slower
L146[13:48:53] <Deddly> I think it's
SATA
L147[13:48:58] <kubi> yes
L148[13:49:03] <kubi> AHCI
L149[13:49:30] <umaxtu> the keying looks
the same as mine. so its SATA/AHCI
L150[13:49:35] <kubi> many times ppl
confuse the form factor with the protocols supported
L151[13:49:52] <kubi> still, it is
small
L153[13:50:03] <kubi> and most probably
you will not notice too big difference
L154[13:50:05] <Althego> anyway, even if
it is ahci, an m.2 drive can have a way bigger throughput than a
sata
L155[13:50:16] <kubi> unless you try
something IO heavy
L156[13:50:32] <kubi> how so?
L157[13:52:24] <Deddly> See, this is what
I meant when I said that there are so many standards it's like a
minefield
L158[13:52:40] <kubi> m2 is a form
factor
L159[13:53:00] <kubi> then what is carried
over it is another question
L160[13:53:07] <umaxtu> its not nearly as
bad as type-c
L161[13:53:16] <kubi> with NVMe you will
have a fast drive
L162[13:53:33] <kubi> with a non-NVMe it
is "just" a SATA3
L163[13:53:40] <kubi> will you see any
diff?
L164[13:53:48] <Althego> no :)
L165[13:55:02] <Deddly> The m.2 interface
on my machine seems to be undocumented
L166[13:55:11] <Althego> how nice of
them
L167[13:55:32] <Deddly> But the people who
have tried this seem to be using SATA devices
L168[13:57:18] <Deddly> All I know for
sure right now is that it should be 2242
L169[13:59:32] <Althego> that is
tiny
L170[14:00:14] <Althego> all this because
m.2 was intended as a laptop thing but then it went on to the
desktop too
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L172[14:00:26] <Deddly> This is for a
laptop, so...
L173[14:00:48] <Deddly> I only need it
because the built in 2.5" SSD is full
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L175[14:01:13] <Deddly> I don't want the
hassle of replacing the entire drive, so I thought this would be
easier.
L176[14:02:46] <Deddly> So if I understand
this correctly: m.2 is the form factor, 2242 means 22mm x 42 mm
dimensions. SATA is the physical connector, NVMe is a protocol, but
if the motherboard doesn't support it, it will still work.
Correct?
L177[14:03:22] <Deddly> PCIe is the other
main type of physical connector
L178[14:03:41] <Deddly> So... any m.2 2242
SATA card should work, presumably
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L181[14:12:57] <Deddly> kubi, 5:30 ...
does that mean that SATA is volatile??
L182[14:15:07] <Althego> hehe i think i
got it now. to me m.2 always ment pcie, because in a desktop it is
pointless otherwise. and pcie is always faster than sata,
regardless of having or not having nvme. but in a laptop it makes
sense that they connected a sata line to the m.2 port
L183[14:17:35] <Deddly> Aaargh I'm going
crazy here. Now I just found a driver for my laptop "NVMe
Solid State Drive Firmware Update Utility"
L184[14:17:43] <Althego> hehe
L185[14:17:54] <Deddly> So I still don't
know what the heck I need
L186[14:25:32] <kubi> you need a drive
that fits into your motherboard
L187[14:26:01] <kubi> nvme will be
expensive and you will not see any difference
L188[14:26:46] <kubi> you just delete al
kinky videos and you'll have plenty free space and it is free
L189[14:27:53] <Althego> lol
L190[14:29:20] <Deddly> Probably best to
get the exact mode people are saying they're having success with,
then?
L191[14:29:25] <Deddly> model*
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L198[15:15:07] <Deddly> Thanks for the
help guys. Seeyas
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L252[18:57:01] <Black_Eagle> when i try to
build a space plane: won't work. when i try to build a fun little
fighter: goes to space and stays there
L253[18:57:57] <NomalRaptor> Use the fun
little fighter to move small amounts of
crew/cargo/propellants?
L254[18:58:36] <Black_Eagle> i think my
space planes don't work because i'm trying to fly a concorde to
space
L255[19:00:56] <Black_Eagle> rocket
equation, we've all heard of it
L256[19:01:30] <Black_Eagle> also big
aircraft are surprisingly wobbly at mach 2+
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