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L9[01:53:22] <estorado> good morning, I am playing career mode: how can I activate manoever nodes?
L10[01:54:53] <Althego> have to upgrade buildings
L11[01:55:01] <estorado> which one?
L12[01:55:06] <Althego> it is there in the description
L13[01:55:36] <Althego> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Maneuver_node
L14[01:55:43] <Althego> Using them requires upgrading both the Tracking Station and Mission Control.
L15[01:55:52] <estorado> thank you
L16[01:55:56] <Althego> however you dont need the nodes to go to the mun, there is a trick to it
L17[01:56:27] <estorado> I am trying a orbit right now :)
L18[01:56:40] <Althego> you dont need node for that either :)
L19[01:56:55] <estorado> yes I know, but it would be easier
L20[03:21:42] <kubi> morning
L21[03:22:06] <kubi> is there a way to change the font size in mechjeb?
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L24[03:31:27] <NGC3982> vall wasn't that easy to land on either
L25[03:31:39] <NGC3982> only had 1300dV left from tylo exit :(.
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L31[04:36:30] <NGC3982> so far i have traveled kerbin > mun (refuel) > pol > bop > tylo > vall > pol (refuel) and im on my way to eeloo. i have no idea if i have panels, antennas or dV for this :<
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L33[04:36:56] <Althego> hehe
L34[04:37:03] <Althego> solar panels dont reall work there
L35[04:37:13] <NGC3982> but wow, one thing that really opened up this game again for me is the career mode. being forced to do new stuff to get funds made the game so much better
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L37[04:43:07] <Althego> it is nice once in a while. you need to do stuff you would never do normally
L38[04:43:54] <NGC3982> yes indeed. when i first installed ksp 2-3 years ago i jumped into sandbox directly. that was a huge mistake :/
L39[04:44:34] <Althego> what i enjoy is juggling 20 missions in parallel
L40[04:44:42] <NGC3982> that's cool
L41[04:45:00] <NGC3982> i try to combine as much as possible
L42[04:45:28] <NGC3982> and now when i have find a somewhat good refueling (and recently learned to rendezvouz and dock properly) that works better
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L45[05:32:50] <packbart> some Schrödinger Debris passing through my physics bubble. with a 30km Pe, it should have burned long ago
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L49[06:27:04] <Mat2ch> packbart: I hope for KSP2 we get degrading orbits for stuff that skims through the atmosphere ;P
L50[06:29:07] <darsie> We have that in 1.8.1 already.
L51[06:29:14] <Mat2ch> We do?
L52[06:29:18] <Rolf> for outside physics?
L53[06:29:19] <darsie> sure
L54[06:29:25] <Mat2ch> I should read the patch notes more carefully
L55[06:29:45] <darsie> Aerobraking is a think in KSP.
L56[06:30:01] <darsie> thing
L57[06:30:07] <Rolf> well yeah thats why I asked if it works outside physics sphere
L58[06:30:22] <darsie> no
L59[06:30:28] <Rolf> ie it predicts effects by atomsphere and adjusts orbit after it
L60[06:30:46] <Rolf> too bad that'd be very cheap way to fake it outside physics
L61[06:30:48] <darsie> during time warp?
L62[06:30:53] <Rolf> or any other time
L63[06:31:13] <Mat2ch> jep
L64[06:31:15] <darsie> Would we get n-body physics?
L65[06:31:21] <Mat2ch> probably not
L66[06:31:23] <Althego> hehe doubt it
L67[06:31:36] <darsie> That would require a stable solar system :).
L68[06:31:48] <Rolf> we cant do 3 body problem, let alone more
L69[06:32:34] <darsie> Would it help to calculate it on graphics cards?
L70[06:32:44] <Althego> no, not really
L71[06:33:05] <Althego> since there is no closed form solution it has to simulate all the time
L72[06:33:15] <Althego> not to mention for the future in caase of orbit predictions
L73[06:34:15] <darsie> Uncertainties would add to realism.
L74[06:34:38] <Rolf> man if we ever solve 3 body problem
L75[06:34:59] <darsie> Is there proof it's unsolvable?
L76[06:35:00] <Rolf> btw three body problem is first book of AMAZING hard sci fi trilogy.
L77[06:35:18] <Rolf> yeah poroven to be ircastically chaouc
L78[06:35:28] <darsie> ircastically?
L79[06:35:34] <Rolf> just like 2 segement pentalium (cant spell it)
L80[06:35:44] <Rolf> yeah really basic part of how math works out
L81[06:36:08] <Rolf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-body_problem
L82[06:37:11] <Rolf> "There is no general analytical solution to the three-body problem given by simple algebraic expressions and integrals.[1] Moreover, the motion of three bodies is generally non-repeating, except in special cases.[5]"
L83[06:37:36] <darsie> 1337
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L85[06:40:31] <darsie> If you're still bored, throw relativity in it :).
L86[06:40:38] <Rolf> lol
L87[06:40:45] <Rolf> read the trilogy I menioned
L88[06:41:04] <Rolf> by end you will wish you could wipe your memory so you can experence it for first time again
L89[06:42:03] <Rolf> very related http://www.galactanet.com/comic/Strip596.gif
L90[06:42:38] <darsie> Liu Cixin?
L91[06:42:55] <Rolf> yeah
L92[06:43:59] <darsie> I don't read books, though ...
L93[06:44:04] <Althego> :?
L94[06:44:34] <Rolf> too bad, though that trilogy is like injecting pure scifi drug and never used any before
L95[06:44:39] <Rolf> very very strong sci fi
L96[06:44:42] <Rolf> very hard sci fi
L97[06:56:39] <packbart> darsie: well, there seems to be a german audiobook version of it on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTyzefs6fcQ
L98[06:56:40] <kmath> YouTube - Cixin Liu – Die drei Sonnen cd 1 - hörspiel, hörbücher komplett deutsch fantasy
L99[06:57:14] <darsie> I found the english on tpb.
L100[06:57:41] <packbart> ah, that's where I was going too look next ;)
L101[06:57:44] <darsie> Komplett? All 3 parts?
L102[06:58:09] <packbart> don't know. says "cd 1" in the title and is only 2.5h long
L103[06:58:49] <darsie> Says Hoerbuecher ...
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L105[07:22:01] <NGC3982> i just noticed something strange
L106[07:22:15] <NGC3982> the atmosphere gauge actually goes up a tiny bit on eeloo
L107[07:29:27] <darsie> Up from the top? Or left of total left?
L108[07:30:02] * darsie has a ship landed on Eeloo.
L109[07:30:19] <darsie> NGC3982:
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L119[08:54:37] <NGC3982> darsie: left from total left
L120[08:54:55] <NGC3982> going to load save and try to catch video of it
L121[09:14:47] <NGC3982> https://skarmdump.henjoh.se/eeloo_plaque.PNG - huzzah!
L122[09:16:40] <darsie> NGC3982: That's just total left.
L123[09:16:41] <packbart> Congratulations to all the crew
L124[09:16:48] <packbart> where did that solar panel go?
L125[09:17:11] <Althego> hehe yes the one that would point towrds us is missing
L126[09:18:05] <darsie> NGC3982: It's on the leftmost mark.
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L128[10:11:12] <NGC3982> packbart: a crew RCS malfunction.
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L130[10:23:27] <Guest38117> hello
L131[10:23:28] <Mod9000> Hello, Guest38117
L132[10:23:40] <Guest38117> wazzzup
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L134[10:26:49] <Althego> hehe
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L159[15:01:06] <Buster> OMG I FOUND THE MUN SANDCASTLE https://www.pinterest.com/pin/669910513307073149
L160[15:02:56] <Althego> after years if playing i got it twice in a month
L161[15:03:05] <Althego> and never again
L162[15:03:21] <Buster> it's a 1 in 40 percent chance
L163[15:04:20] <Buster> so it's kinda rare
L164[15:05:42] <Buster> Althego 1st time i got it
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L176[16:33:12] <NGC3982> my god i did it
L177[16:33:24] <NGC3982> this mission took three days
L178[16:33:33] <NGC3982> 34 ingame years
L179[16:34:01] <NGC3982> just got home from eeloo directly to kerbin. had to figure out how to handle 4km/s at 35km periapsis at kerbin
L180[16:34:16] <NGC3982> but it actually worked out (read: everything but the science and the kerbonauts exploded)
L181[16:35:20] <UmbralRaptop> \o/
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L183[16:36:22] <NGC3982> https://skarmdump.henjoh.se/complete.PNG <- 179 experiments and like ten flags planted. im so happy.
L184[16:37:16] <NGC3982> it equals.. 16 358 science. \o/
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L186[16:39:38] <darsie> NGC3982: So you take the hard road to complete the tech tree.
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L188[16:42:22] <NGC3982> yes
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L191[17:07:51] <Mat2ch> NGC3982: you can remove the science from the containers and reset them :)
L192[17:20:37] <NGC3982> Mat2ch: where do i store the science if not in the containers?
L193[17:20:41] <NGC3982> i thought that was the point :)
L194[17:24:45] <Mat2ch> NGC3982: well, you send out a scientist to collect the containers and then either store them in the crew cabin or in a science container :)
L195[17:25:50] <NGC3982> oh i did
L196[17:25:57] <NGC3982> on the screenshot you see the containers :)
L197[17:27:26] <NGC3982> i used many, many of them
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L199[17:46:37] <darsie> Do tehy have a limit how much they can store?
L200[17:47:03] <NGC3982> yes, they cannot store identical objects afaik
L201[17:47:23] <NGC3982> that i still get science for
L202[17:48:42] <NGC3982> "Experiment Storage Units can not collect or store duplicate experiments (the same type done in exactly the same biome)"
L203[17:49:01] <UmbralRaptor> yep
L204[17:50:55] <NGC3982> but still get science points for duplicate experiments done in the same biome, as long as haven't recovered the craft at least once
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