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L26[05:35:48] <Flayer> what would be a more
accurate name for the 'starliner'
L27[05:36:01] <Flayer> it doesn't go to the
stars
L28[05:46:42] <Althego> neither does the
starship
L29[05:46:47] <Althego> i dont like these
names
L30[05:47:00] <Althego> same for
astronaut
L31[05:47:23] <Althego> nobody ever was an
astronaut
L32[05:48:15] <Althego> stream on
L33[05:48:28] <Althego> maybe they will
have an off nominal landiong too :)
L34[05:51:30] <kubi> do you think they miss
Earth somehow?
L35[05:52:24] <Althego> they are doing it
now
L36[05:52:31] <Althego> the secret of
orbiting :)
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L38[06:04:02] <Mat2ch> so, when will be the
landing now? :P
L39[06:04:18] <Mat2ch> SpaceX would provide
us with some nice graphics
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L41[06:04:39] <Firsty_Kerman> hello
L42[06:04:40] <Mod9000> Hello,
Firsty_Kerman
L43[06:05:04] <Firsty_Kerman> is there a
mod that has thing like modular coridors?
L44[06:05:36] <Firsty_Kerman> for like
conecting docking ports that are away from each other?
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L46[06:07:50] <packbart> SSPXr has
exensible corridors with claw-like docking
L47[06:07:56] <Mat2ch> too late
L48[06:07:59] <Mat2ch> already gone
:(
L49[06:08:47] <packbart> hmmyeah. I ignore
joins/quits on this channel, maybe should reduce that just to
joins
L50[06:09:17] <Althego> i guess just aas
with the launch they are just going to show the room with people
instead of the event :)
L51[06:09:35] <Flayer> packbart: nicknames
turn grey when they leave for me
L52[06:10:10] <Mat2ch> Althego: well, 15
min till deorbit burn
L53[06:11:44] <darsie> Flayer: Maybe we
should find an alternative to moviestars, too. They're not really
stars, either.
L54[06:12:40] <Althego> another dumb
phrase: meteoric rise. meteors fall :)
L55[06:13:03] <darsie> Never heard that.
What context/meaning?
L56[06:13:18] <Althego> for example with
movie starts. they can have a meteoric rise to fame :)
L57[06:13:29] <darsie> ic
L58[06:14:02] <darsie> Well, when bodies
fall up, they do rise.
L59[06:14:46] <darsie> The sun rises, too,
in a way.
L60[06:16:40] <Althego> but meteors never
rise
L61[06:16:51] <darsie> Rarely, yes.
L62[06:17:03] <darsie> They might, if they
just graze the atmosphere.
L63[06:17:09] <Althego> at that time they
are still called ejecta
L64[06:17:20] <Althego> when something
launches them into space
L65[06:17:30] <Althego> like martian
meteorite on earth. at one point they had to rise
L66[06:18:05] <darsie> Jupiter could
redirect a meteoroid to graze Earths atmosphere.
L67[06:19:56] <Mat2ch> bad music + voice
over bad
L68[06:20:04] <Mat2ch> Boeing needs to
learn a lot...
L69[06:20:59] <darsie> So that capsule
missed the orbit insertion burn? Why didn't they do it
"manually"?
L70[06:21:18] <Mat2ch> darsie: no com
link
L72[06:21:34] <Mat2ch> they were pretty
unlucky there.
L73[06:21:44] <darsie> There are com
sats.
L74[06:21:44] <Mat2ch> Mission timer in the
capsule was wrong, so it did the wrong manouver
L75[06:21:58] <Althego> jsut lieki n
ksp
L76[06:22:01] <Mat2ch> and they were in a
spot with the capsule where they had no coverage
L77[06:22:15] <Althego> when during ascent
you have that annoying blacjout at just around insertion burn
L78[06:22:25] <Mat2ch> hrhr
L79[06:22:44] <Mat2ch> well, I hope KSP 2
also features a flight computer mode, where you can program your
whole rocket
L80[06:23:37] <Mat2ch> like, ascend, roll,
turn to 15°, when reaching 5k m height, turn slowly over to 45°
with a rate of 1° per s
L81[06:24:57] <Mat2ch> then you can program
things like doing the orbit insertion and everything
L82[06:29:10] <packbart> they didn't check
their staging and activated the upper stage together with the
boosters
L83[06:32:39] <Althego> very cool light
show
L84[06:32:43] <Althego> and thy dont show
it
L85[06:32:57] <Althego> but they do have a
camera on board
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L88[06:40:06] <packbart> well at least the
Mission Control Center Photographer is keeping busy
L89[06:43:12] <Althego> even the soyuz
launches are better than this, because of the new onboard
camera
L90[06:47:32] <packbart> and they're not
even showing the angle with the mission control screen
L91[06:47:43] <Althego> exactly
L92[06:47:48] <Althego> they could, but
they dont
L93[06:50:08] <Althego> low res
downlionk
L94[06:50:19] <Althego> i thought at this
point they wont even show the landing
L95[06:50:49] <packbart> well, they did
promise interior views
L96[06:51:05] <Althego> with a gravity
indicator plushie
L97[06:55:24] <Althego> warm
parachutes
L98[06:55:31] <packbart> they did pack the
chutes correctly, this time
L99[06:55:42] <Mat2ch> I guess they're
reflecting just pretty good
L100[06:56:09] <Althego> hehe in ksp
typically the heatshield presses back onto the lander :)
L101[06:56:12] <Althego> ok, on eve
L102[06:56:52] <Mat2ch> drop it after you
pull the chutes ;P
L103[06:57:02] <Althego> even then
L104[06:57:21] <packbart> don't jettison
the shield before the chutes fully deploy ;)
L105[06:57:22] <Althego> other possibility
is that it starts to spin faster and faster alog a horizontal
acis
L106[06:57:27] <packbart> (ok, I just
don't jettison it ever)
L107[06:57:42] <Althego> you cant deflate
the inflatable
L108[06:58:05] <packbart> apparently, the
inflation can be tied to a controller axis
L109[06:59:09] <Althego> at least they can
avoid the lame water "landings"
L110[06:59:42] <Mat2ch> well, SpaceX
wanted to land under power, but wasn't allowed to do so...
L111[07:00:17] <darsie> I don't use heat
shields for entry from Mun. Or Minmus, I guess.
L112[07:00:18] <Althego> they were allwoed
but the regulations on that were so bad they decided to just not
take that route
L113[07:01:29] <Mat2ch> well, I thought
NASA didn't want the landing legs going through the heat
shield
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L118[07:23:17] <packbart> they could use
the time to replay the interior views, assuming they were already
transmitted
L119[07:23:42] <packbart> maybe they'll
need to retrieve a USB stick from the capsule for that
L120[07:24:14] <packbart> it does look
cute with its balloon ring, though :)
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L122[07:47:03] <Althego> lol they őpőut a
tent over it
L123[07:48:35] <Althego>
"environmental enclosure"
L124[07:48:46] <darsie> To contain the
hydrazine ;)
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L128[08:14:14] <Mat2ch> Althego: ok, they
ditched it in favor of Starship
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L131[08:34:30] <Althego> hehe that is
small
L132[08:34:32] <packbart> so, no interior
views then? meh
L133[08:36:55] <darsie> Sorry, no cam in
the fuel tank.
L134[08:37:15] <darsie> SpaceX has to be
good for something :).
L135[08:37:54] <Mat2ch> Oh, I love those
small sats and builing them myself
L136[08:38:04] <Mat2ch> It's sometimes sad
we don't have even smaller parts
L137[08:38:25] <darsie> There's a tiny
port mod.
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L142[09:49:48] <kubi> why would one do a
powered landing instead of parachute?
L143[09:51:55] <Althego> generally you
cant slow down with a parachute, so landing is rough, you cant
designate a small landing area, and you have to repackage the
parachute
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L149[10:12:17] <kmath> YouTube - This
Rocket-Powered Car Is Engineered to Break the Sound Barrier
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L155[10:41:03] <estorado> hi, I bought ksp
in the ea phase, the addons are worth to buy them?
L156[10:42:26] <UmbralRaptop> ea
phase?
L157[10:42:31] <estorado> early
access
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L160[10:42:45] <estorado> at
L161[10:42:48] <UmbralRaptop> ah
L162[10:43:12] <estorado> havent played
ksp for years
L163[10:43:51] <UmbralRaptop> Depends on
how much you expect to use them? IIRC, the consensus is that
breaking ground does more than making history?
L164[10:45:21] <estorado> I can play both
addons without using stream?
L165[10:45:35] <estorado> and whats the
difference between breaking gorund and making history?
L166[10:46:18] <estorado> and the stopped
development on ksp?
L167[10:46:43] <Althego> supposedly they
didnt stop development even with ksp 2 in progress
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L169[10:47:50] <kubi> the addons do not
give too much
L170[10:47:54] <kubi> mods are
better
L171[10:48:15] <kubi> the new robotic
parts are just a joke compared to infernal robotics
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L173[10:48:27] <UmbralRaptop> I have both
add-ons through the store, though I got ksp so early that they were
free
L174[10:48:28] <Althego> making history
adds a lot of historical soviet and american parts and a whats its
name, challenge editor. breaking grounds adds a lot of interesting
parts, some robotics and electric props
L175[10:48:29] <kubi> maybe that
deployable science
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L177[10:48:30] <estorado> ok, mechjeb are
requiered to play ksp
L178[10:48:38] <Althego> hehe lol no
L179[10:49:08] <estorado> the differnt
languages still mods or already implemented?
L180[10:49:16] <UmbralRaptop> not at all,
and recent versions of KSP now show ΔV, TWR, and some orbit
info
L181[10:49:24] <UmbralRaptop> (er at
mj)
L182[10:50:10] <UmbralRaptop> uh, there
are localizations in a bunch of languages. don't know what yours
is, so I don't know if they cover it
L183[10:51:42] <estorado> can not find the
language switch ...
L184[10:52:37] <Althego> i dont know about
steam
L185[10:52:48] <Althego> but the store
bought version has different downloads for languages
L186[10:52:51] <estorado> I dont use
steam
L187[10:52:55] <sandbox> estorado, when
and where did you buy ksp? you might still be able to get the
expansions for free
L188[10:53:09] <estorado> on the ksp
store
L189[10:53:58] <Althego> so there at the
last step you can chose which language you want
L190[10:54:06] <Althego> for the dlcs
too
L191[10:54:29] <estorado> oh ok, I missed
that, only saw the big blue Download button
L192[10:55:15] <estorado> unfortunatly, I
can not choose languages
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L194[11:03:06] <UmbralRaptop> IIRC, it's
download, then you get a list of versions and languages. scrolling
down may be necessary
L195[11:04:45] <estorado> ah, now I found
it!
L196[11:05:04] <estorado> more Downloads:
Language Patches
L197[11:08:35] <UmbralRaptop> yay
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L221[14:19:55] <Flayer> alright, bringing
a manned science lander to minmus
L222[14:20:06] <Flayer> this is the big
one
L224[14:21:00] <kmath>
<DavidBerardo_> Many things besides exoplanets transit, and
especially this time of year you have to watch out for seasonal
sources…
https://t.co/AFzpOWAV3A
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L226[14:25:28] <Althego> hehe
L228[14:57:09] *
raptop sort of wishes you could place 5 seats in stock
L229[14:57:17] <raptop> uh, 5x
symmetry
L230[14:58:34] <Althego> i was wondering
about 7
L231[14:58:42] <Althego> but i heard there
is some mod to do these
L232[15:00:16] <raptop> yeah, EdX, or
something
L233[15:00:58] <raptop> (insert cliche
about how the Delta 79xx is unrealistic)
L234[15:14:57] <darsie> EER, I
guess.
L237[15:25:16] <raptop> The new
accomodations are somewhat spartan
L238[15:25:45] <darsie> Bring your own
diapers.
L239[15:26:39] <darsie> Ahh, Kerbals are
plants, I forgot :).
L240[15:28:01] <darsie> Powered by a
Kickback and a Flea.
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L243[15:39:28] <Althego> hehhe
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L245[15:46:08] <Flayer> man, i am liking
this game
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L258[19:15:35] <NGC3982> i found the alien
head!
L259[19:15:48] <NGC3982> this jool mission
will probably exceed 10k science
L260[19:15:53] <NGC3982> and it's my first
time visiting it
L261[19:16:08] <NGC3982> made a way, way
to expensive ship with overkill dV
L263[19:20:25] <darsie> SPOILER
ALERT
L264[19:20:56] <NGC3982> what a wonderful
little craft
L265[19:21:03] <darsie> mhm :)
L266[19:21:15] <darsie> I love ion
thrusters :).
L267[19:21:30] <NGC3982> i did a refuel on
minmus, went to pol and then bop. now im off to thylo
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L269[19:22:17] <NGC3982> and sorry, i
should have put spoiler alert on my url.
L270[19:22:41] <darsie> It's in the
url.
L271[19:35:52] <UmbralRaptop> It's been
around since 0.17 IIRC
L272[19:36:03] <UmbralRaptop> (late 2012?
2013?)
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L274[19:37:06] <NGC3982> hm, i dont think
i have the engine power to land on tylo
L275[19:37:29] <NGC3982> because im at
2100m/s at 30k
L276[19:37:36] <NGC3982> with four vacuum
engines
L277[19:38:36] <UmbralRaptop> Mind the
high gravity
L279[19:39:57] *
NGC3982 holds his breath
L280[19:42:25] <NGC3982> nope, not even
close
L281[19:42:34] <NGC3982> 1000m/s left at
0km
L282[19:43:25] <NGC3982> will starting a
burn higher up help me?
L283[19:43:47] <darsie> There's an ideal
altitude.
L284[19:44:39] <darsie> You could burn
retrograde till you stop and see how much altitude you lost. That's
about it.
L285[19:45:39] <NGC3982> i see
L286[19:48:05] <darsie> At lower orbits
you need more, since you're faster.
L287[19:50:03] <NGC3982> i see. i climbed
to 200k and started calculating. i think i have enough dV to slow
myself down if im down to 10-50m/s too high up
L288[19:52:49] <darsie> Lowering one side
as much as possible would make you a bit slower at a
L289[19:53:05] <darsie> Lowering one side
as much as possible would make you a bit slower at Ap, so that
might give you a few m/s.
L290[19:53:27] <NGC3982> speed started
climbing again :(.
L291[19:54:10] <NGC3982> ap was 10k
L292[19:54:30] <darsie> land at ap.
L293[19:55:10] <darsie> That's where
you're slowest.
L294[19:55:54] <darsie> But it doesn't
make much difference if ap=10 km and pe=5 km.
L295[19:56:36] <NGC3982> yes
L296[19:56:42] <NGC3982> nope, not
possible
L297[19:56:55] <NGC3982> can't get under
600m/s before speed starts climbing when braking
L298[19:57:30] <NGC3982> but that's
allright. i hope i have dV to leave tylo tho
L299[19:57:41] <UmbralRaptop> Tylo is evil
like that
L300[19:57:41] <darsie> if speed starts
climbing when you brake then your TWR<1.
L301[19:58:26] <NGC3982> TWR = thrust to
weight ratio?
L302[19:58:31] <darsie> yes
L303[19:58:32] <NGC3982> 0.56 in this
stage
L304[19:58:36] <darsie> lol
L305[20:00:06] <UmbralRaptop> whelp
L306[20:00:27] <NGC3982> no worries, time
to see if i can leave and visit vall
L307[20:00:34] <UmbralRaptop> Guess you'll
need to lithobrake that last km/s
L308[20:01:14] <darsie> Try a soft landing
at a slope that matches your trajectory :).
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