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L7[02:33:38] <packbart> "To paraphrase John Clark: the Flea has one good property, albeit a truly magnificent one: it is available.." :) ( https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/189002-the-new-the-old-and-the-srb-meta/ )
L8[02:39:16] <Gasher[work]> i said the same thing yesterday - " an insane separation motor"
L9[02:59:44] <Althego> not really insane
L10[03:00:11] <Althego> i used the previously smalllest and small solids regularly as separation
L11[03:00:23] <Althego> to also plunge back the spent stage into the atmosphere
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L28[05:47:01] <Althego> hehe 1.8, NaN? for ksp 2?
L29[05:48:40] <Deddly> Yup
L30[05:49:20] <Deddly> Also, I set this thing up so that people could get the ksp demo but then I realised it's .90 :/
L31[05:49:22] <Mod9000> I have a really old demo for Windows - https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vscaul3oroa1ta/KSP_demo_win.zip?dl=0
L32[05:53:50] <darsie> Will the classic KSP make it to 2.0?
L33[05:54:15] <Althego> i doubt it
L34[05:54:23] <Althego> maybe 1.10
L35[05:54:48] <darsie> it's at 1.8 already.
L36[05:54:58] <darsie> oh
L37[05:54:59] <Althego> that is why 1.9 then 1.10
L38[05:55:02] <darsie> k
L39[05:55:54] <Althego> i just dont get why they didnt switch the engine if they rewrote the game anyway
L40[05:56:56] <Gasher_> lol they name it just the way save files are named? :D
L41[05:57:48] <Althego> name what
L42[05:58:25] <Gasher_> versions
L43[05:58:58] <Althego> i dont get how save files come to this. version numbers were never decimal digits
L44[05:59:45] <Gasher_> hm, never thought of that
L45[06:09:49] <Althego> what is the difference between USA and USB? - One connects to all of your devices and accesses the data, the other is a hardware standard.
L46[06:29:19] <Althego> a spacewalk again? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg
L47[06:29:19] <kmath> YouTube - NASA Live: Official Stream of NASA TV
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L49[06:30:07] <Althego> it seems it starts in half an hourú
L50[06:35:12] <UmbralRaptop> Mod9000: Should I attempt to writeup the new boosters in the wiki tonight?
L51[06:35:35] * UmbralRaptop shakes Mod9000 like an 8-ball
L52[06:35:50] <Althego> hmm i could at least regenerate the engine comparator js with the new data
L53[06:37:35] <UmbralRaptop> Anyway, you can draw a trend line of lower TWR, higher Isp, higher mass ratios from the older SRBs
L54[07:00:20] <Althego> https://twitter.com/NASAInSight/status/1184901025821384704
L55[07:00:21] <kmath> <✔NASAInSight> ICYMI: The mole is on the move. ⏎ This video recaps our latest heat probe recovery efforts. We still have a long way… https://t.co/yduMWBhIG9
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L66[09:33:13] <Althego> while i had a nap, scott uploaded a video
L67[09:47:32] <Mat2ch> I really wonder how they get those rotating joints airtight
L68[09:47:55] <Althego> probably not easy
L69[09:48:14] <Althego> also it doesnt need to be completely airtight, so it probably leaks somewhat
L70[09:48:39] <darsie> i thought about sealing it with grease and pumping the grease back in.
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L73[10:21:59] <Deddly> Yay, everyday astronaut's aerospike video is out
L74[10:22:30] <Althego> finally
L75[10:22:41] <Althego> 1 hour
L76[10:22:51] <Deddly> Yeah, but with time stamps
L77[10:22:57] <Althego> there is also an even horizon in my queue, also 1 hour
L78[10:23:03] <Althego> *event
L79[10:32:03] <UmbralRaptop> Tired: aerospikes
L80[10:32:19] <UmbralRaptop> Wired: high chamber pressures
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L86[11:30:51] <Althego> heh presidential phone call to iss
L87[11:49:19] <packbart> as long as he doesn't ask the crew for a favour
L88[11:49:32] * packbart shuts :)
L89[11:49:40] <Althego> i would reject any phone call while on spacewalk :)
L90[11:50:18] <Althego> accept any telepathic and magical calls, since beings able to use that would be way more important :)
L91[11:50:39] <packbart> the new suits have integrated speakerphones
L92[12:02:32] <Deddly> I'm on 20-30% CPU, why can't I listen to music on youtube without it breaking and stuttering?
L93[12:03:53] <Althego> network issues?
L94[12:04:01] <Deddly> Plenty of buffer
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L96[12:07:51] <Deddly> It's happening from an MP3 I have on the machine, too. Infuriating
L97[12:09:21] <packbart> sample rate mismatch. but that shouldn't happen with Youtube
L98[12:11:31] <Deddly> Play from the phone instead = good enough workaround for now
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L102[12:25:34] <Wastl2> Use a different youtube player that only loads the audio stream.
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L105[12:41:57] <Deddly> It's not about YouTube, it's happening with mp3 too. Looks like one of those Windows things where it just can't guarantee resources to critical services
L106[12:43:39] <Deddly> I miss that about the Amiga. No matter what you did, it would absolutely never interrupt your music because you're moving your mouse around too quickly or flicking between open windows or whatever.
L107[12:43:51] <Althego> today after many month the monitor correctly turned itself off in idle as it should have
L108[12:43:56] <Althego> somewething fixced itself
L109[12:44:05] <Deddly> Yay
L110[12:44:07] <Althego> the only thing that changed was the nvidia driver
L111[12:45:05] <Althego> although i moved the screen up and down a little a few days ago, may be a cable issue
L112[12:55:32] * Mat2ch looks at his linux machine..
L113[12:55:43] <Mat2ch> :P
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L125[13:33:56] <Deddly> Mat2ch, I saw a comedian talk about Linux the other day. He was pretty funny. "For those of you who don't know about Linux, it's a bit like punching yourself in the face. And you may be wondering "why would you punch yourself in the face?" Well, it's free.
L126[13:35:07] <Althego> Mat2ch: the weakest link in a linux for me was always the nvidia driver. js8ut fail without reason, replaced by neaveu or however it is written by no reason, etc
L127[13:39:44] <Mat2ch> Deddly: you don't seem to work with Windows a lot. People pay money there to get punched in the face!
L128[13:39:46] <Mat2ch> ;)
L129[13:39:55] <Deddly> Hehe
L130[13:40:01] <Deddly> Oh I'm no Windows fan
L131[13:40:19] <Mat2ch> Althego: well, I'm on an AMD gpu, so no problem here ;P
L132[13:40:19] <Deddly> I'd go over to Linux in a heartbeat if it could run the things I need it to
L133[13:41:22] <Althego> hehe face punch
L134[13:41:35] <Althego> still windows is a good game launcher :)
L135[13:41:48] <Althego> why would anybody use it for anything else, i dont know
L136[13:42:12] <Mat2ch> Just a minor one which soon may get me into debugging the kernel... well, at least I can do that and wont get stood up in the rain
L137[13:42:47] <Deddly> Ah, here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgyI8aPctaI
L138[13:42:47] <kmath> YouTube - Stand-up comedy routine using a live spherical camera
L139[13:43:11] <Althego> the best is still the recursive dvd review
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L141[13:50:23] <packbart> .oO( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPRvc2UMeMI )
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L144[14:31:29] <Guest55445> scatter in 1.8 glich problems
L145[14:32:56] <darsie> Stuff is still trippy in 1.8: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot2.png
L146[14:33:03] <Althego> hehe
L147[14:33:10] <darsie> :)
L148[14:33:38] <Althego> one would think these kinds of issues are eliminated first since they are easy to see
L149[14:33:38] <Deddly> mods?
L150[14:34:30] <darsie> Althego: Maybe something rare about my computer/Linux.
L151[14:34:39] <darsie> Or is this common?
L152[14:34:59] <darsie> Deddly: me? No mods, yet.
L153[14:36:13] <Deddly> I just never saw that issue, and I'm in one of the pre-release testing groups
L154[14:37:23] <Deddly> darsie, Is it only that part or do you see the same thing with others? Maybe the shiny ones?
L155[14:37:38] <darsie> A few. I think only pods.
L156[14:38:55] <Deddly> Do you have the energy to poke around and see what the problem parts have in common? I'm going to guess that there's something going on with that "shiny metal" shader, or whatever the proper term is
L157[14:40:28] <Deddly> If you have Making History, I think I remember the structural panels can be set to shiny gold or silver
L158[14:41:12] <darsie> Deddly: And the pond in the KSC.
L159[14:41:24] <Deddly> Oh really? Interesting
L160[14:41:45] <Deddly> Got a screenshot of that?
L161[14:41:52] <Deddly> What about the sea?
L162[14:41:52] <darsie> http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot3.png
L163[14:42:00] <darsie> not sea
L164[14:42:18] <Deddly> Got making History?
L165[14:42:25] <Althego> hehe see anything wrong with the sea? :)
L166[14:42:36] <darsie> no
L167[14:42:46] <Althego> it was just a joke not a real question
L168[14:43:12] <Deddly> darsie, on Steam?
L169[14:43:44] <darsie> yes.
L170[14:43:52] <darsie> Looks like the pond is no longer affected.
L171[14:44:08] <Deddly> OK, one thing you could try is to Verify files with Steam
L172[14:44:49] <Deddly> (Which Steam should do automatically, IMHO, *grumblegrumble*)
L173[14:46:21] <darsie> What about my graphics card, opengl, nvidia driver etc?
L174[14:46:55] <Deddly> Almost every odd problem is cured by verifying files on Steam
L175[14:47:41] <darsie> Ohh, do you also have these odd floor tiles? http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot4.png
L176[14:47:42] <kubi> just delete and dl again
L177[14:47:55] <darsie> It's a fresh install. I just copied the saves over.
L178[14:48:24] <packbart> I sometimes see some weird behaviour in the VAB after KSP has been running for a while (parts too bright or an empty parts list) but I figured that my GPU might have just not enough RAM
L179[14:48:37] <packbart> 1GB isn't much these days ;)
L180[14:48:51] <darsie> I have a passively cooled one.
L181[14:49:10] <Althego> 640kB should be enough for everyone
L182[14:50:20] <darsie> steam installed some saved games I appearently had synced or whatever, so I deleted everything again and reinstalled.
L183[14:51:27] <Deddly> darsie, after closing KSP, from the Steam application, right-click KSP --> Local Files tab --> Verify Integrity of Game Files
L184[14:56:39] <darsie> Deddly: what? http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/2019-10-18-215554_1680x1050_scrot.png
L185[14:57:54] <packbart> Properties -> Local Files
L186[14:58:13] <sandbox> ^ that
L187[14:58:15] <darsie> ok ...
L188[14:58:35] <Althego> eh, only one more launch this month and, and even that is from china, so probably no video
L189[14:58:50] <Deddly> Oh sorry, missed a step
L190[14:58:56] <darsie> 1 file failed to validate and will be reacquired.
L191[14:59:08] <Deddly> Hmm, probably not that, then
L192[14:59:22] <packbart> it won't delete old files, though. but that was only a problem when upgrading from some ancient version to current, from what I read in the forum
L193[14:59:23] <Deddly> There's always one. This is a fresh install, you say?
L194[14:59:32] <darsie> yes
L195[14:59:46] <Deddly> Yeah, you need to personally delete the folder and then install
L196[14:59:48] <darsie> All files successfully validate. Starting ksp ...
L197[15:00:11] <packbart> worksonmymachine
L198[15:00:11] <darsie> I did delete the KSP folder and reinstalled.
L199[15:00:52] <darsie> Got the trippy colors since a few versions.
L200[15:01:19] <darsie> no big deal. It's funny.
L201[15:01:32] <Deddly> OK cool.
L202[15:01:41] <packbart> do you also see it in the Kerbal helmet reflections?
L203[15:01:51] <darsie> Yes, these are odd, too.
L204[15:02:33] <Althego> hehe must be cheap cgi :)
L205[15:03:13] <Althego> in space movies these days helmet reflections are really hard to do
L206[15:04:00] <darsie> Gotta look when I watch Scott Kelly one year in space or so.
L207[15:04:02] <packbart> there are some reflection parameters in the settings
L208[15:04:20] <packbart> maybe fiddle with that and see if it changes anything ;) but yeah, sounds like a shader thing
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L210[15:04:25] <Deddly> I have to go
L211[15:04:29] <darsie> cu
L212[15:04:44] <Deddly> Seeyas
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L214[15:07:41] <darsie> Helmet reflection: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot5.png
L215[15:09:00] <darsie> What should I change?
L216[15:11:35] <darsie> Reflection refresh mode?
L217[15:11:44] <darsie> Reflection texture resolution?
L218[15:12:26] <packbart> I honestly don't know what they do ;)
L219[15:14:26] <Althego> you can still try different combinations
L220[15:14:33] <Althego> maybe something changes
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L239[16:30:46] <darsie> The pond is still trippy: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot10.png
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L241[16:33:49] * darsie lost a capsule during reentry by switching to the detached stage to see how it fares in the heat and then being unable to switch back cause the capsule was too far away by then.
L242[16:34:07] <darsie> Hat to load and fly from the Mun again.3
L243[16:34:09] <darsie> -3
L244[16:36:00] <darsie> Mun landing: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot6.png I actually wanted to test the big booster. That was all below that.
L245[16:36:24] <darsie> Incidentally I came down next to KSC: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot8.png
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L279[21:48:46] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: If an O-type star experiences a core collapse and a telescope doesn't observe it, does it supernova?
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L290[22:52:53] <UmbralRaptop> well, direct collapse happens
L291[22:53:31] <Scolar_Visari> I seem to recall there being stars which supernova with a, "sputter" as they just decide to expedite the transition to a black hole.
L292[22:55:55] <UmbralRaptop> Plausibly what happened to the black hole in Cygnus X-1
L293[22:59:11] <Scolar_Visari> What a sight to *see*.
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L296[23:04:35] <Scolar_Visari> Hrm . . . Makes me think of what a supernova would look like up close.
L297[23:05:17] <UmbralRaptop> bright
L298[23:11:10] <UmbralRaptop> Assuming I didn't make an error, a 1 megaton nuke at 1 meter (right next to you really, as these ones are chonky) is as bright as a 1 FOE supernova at ~1031 au
L299[23:11:52] <Scolar_Visari> Yeah, but they don't expel as much gas or transition into stellar remnants. They just blow you away/vaporize you.
L300[23:13:20] <Scolar_Visari> There's no rotating pulsar after a strategic yield warhead detonation!
L301[23:13:32] <UmbralRaptop> hah
L302[23:15:58] <Scolar_Visari> Sigh, I wish they would implement a supernova event in Elite. I mean, surely Betelgeuse has a non-zero chance of collapsing in thousand years!
L303[23:16:30] * UmbralRaptop would still not want to get hit with a mildly relativistic wave of Ni-56
L304[23:17:18] <Scolar_Visari> Hey, that stuff could be worth something on the galactic market!
L305[23:17:29] <UmbralRaptop> hm
L306[23:17:36] <Scolar_Visari> "Ni-56, now infused with positive thoughts!"
L307[23:18:18] <Scolar_Visari> I actually like to think, though, that the, "metallic" rings around some worlds are just the metallic cores of moons that have since been destroyed by tidal forces.
L308[23:19:24] <UmbralRaptop> so, this showed up in my twitter feed, and I think you were collecting them? https://twitter.com/HumanoidHistory/status/1185348373165031425
L309[23:19:24] <kmath> <HumanoidHistory> A future farmer’s market on a space colony, illustrated by Carolyn Henson, printed in Future Life, August 1978. https://t.co/mmT1XNEh3l
L310[23:19:59] * UmbralRaptop wonders what we'll find at 16 Psyche
L311[23:20:10] <Scolar_Visari> Yes, thank you. I shall soon have enough to complete my set.
L312[23:21:01] <Scolar_Visari> Probably a small, unattended child and a plant in a vacuum flask.
L313[23:22:44] <UmbralRaptop> At least the child keeps the baobab trees away?
L314[23:23:27] <Scolar_Visari> Until they realize that they should've gotten GCR protection and die from turbo-cancer.
L315[23:23:51] * Scolar_Visari glares at the silly Europa lander.
L316[23:24:01] <Scolar_Visari> Solve shielding or it will *fry*.
L317[23:24:56] <Scolar_Visari> I can't even imagine what kind of nightmare the landing part alone would be to engineer. You have a spacecraft having to slow down from an interplanetary transfer and then make a soft landing on a body well known for its lack of flat plains.
L318[23:25:54] <Scolar_Visari> And then deal with the reality that the good stuff would be on things recent upswells of water, which would also be impossible to target from such an approach and the least agreeable places to land.
L319[23:26:33] <Scolar_Visari> And *then* your mission's life expectancy is minutes before your electronics end up like a Palm Pilot in a microwave oven.
L320[23:29:37] * UmbralRaptop is more intrigued by the orbiter (or just flyby a bunch?) mission
L321[23:31:23] <Scolar_Visari> Grasping digits crossed for a geyser flyby.
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L323[23:31:35] <Scolar_Visari> Well, it's orbit of Jupiter and flybys of Europa whenever possible.
L324[23:32:20] <Scolar_Visari> Though the lander component is likely to die, NASA never being fans and it being a Eleventh Hour insertion by an overzealous congress-critter who didn't understand the silliness.
L325[23:37:43] * UmbralRaptop pokes the SLS with a stick in the meantime
L326[23:37:54] <Althego> most useless thing ever
L327[23:38:43] <Althego> zubrin said he was part of the comittee that came up with it. in the 90s or so. at that time it made sense. however tuday it is expensive and outdated
L328[23:38:56] <Althego> hehe tuday lol
L329[23:39:09] <UmbralRaptop> Tuesday
L330[23:39:10] <Scolar_Visari> Well, I'm not so sure we're actually going to see a more advanced launch vehicle.
L331[23:39:39] * Scolar_Visari glares at the extraordinarily complicated Starship.
L332[23:40:34] <Scolar_Visari> That's a mess of delays and mass growth waiting to happen. To say nothing of the abort options.
L333[23:40:59] <UmbralRaptop> Falcon Heavy is at least to the point of actually existing
L334[23:42:17] <Scolar_Visari> Yeah, but that's also quite a bit more limited given the fairing size and if you want to keep the first three stages.
L335[23:42:52] <Scolar_Visari> Starship wants to be an upper stage of a launch vehicle and an interplanetary transfer vehicle for 100 people at the same time.
L336[23:43:29] <UmbralRaptop> hm
L337[23:45:39] <Scolar_Visari> NASA: "Wow, that Space Shuttle was a lot harder than we thought it would be. Turns out that adding so many features at once results in a lot of weight gain and R&D budget overruns!" SpaceX: "Hold my beer."
L338[23:47:50] <Althego> hehe
L339[23:47:58] <Althego> doesnt seem to be that complex
L340[23:48:18] <Althego> my main fears are the engines and the thermal protection
L341[23:49:40] <Scolar_Visari> Althego No one's ever designed such a high endurance vehicle before, and manned vehicles are invariably more complex than an upper stage with a fairing
L342[23:49:55] <Althego> i doubt the 100 people to mars
L343[23:50:00] <Althego> 100 people to leo maybe
L344[23:50:11] <Althego> that is more like 10 people to mars
L345[23:50:12] <Scolar_Visari> 100 people to Mars is one of the core design goals.
L346[23:50:25] <Scolar_Visari> If you're only getting ten, you could use a much smaller craft.
L347[23:50:43] <Althego> it is too small already. since it needs refueling to go to mars
L348[23:50:52] <Scolar_Visari> The whole idea is refueling in orbit.
L349[23:51:01] <Scolar_Visari> However, SpaceX's refueling regime just seems *odd*.
L350[23:51:34] <Scolar_Visari> They want to have the Starship up in orbit first and then launch refueling craft, rather than have them top off a depot. This creates huge issues if launches are missed.
L351[23:52:48] <Scolar_Visari> It also means Starship *must* launch much farther ahead of its launch window then need be, unless they're literally getting launches done within days of eachother.
L352[23:53:21] <Althego> i think they mentioned weeks for refueling rather than days
L353[23:53:42] <Scolar_Visari> Yeah, and that can be problematic if you have even one tanker miss a launch because of weather or an outright failure.
L354[23:54:00] <Althego> or you have to have some buffer time
L355[23:54:10] <Althego> that adds to weightlessness
L356[23:54:50] <Althego> even on an only half year trip and even arriving only to martian gravity people are not going to be too fit to walk around
L357[23:55:08] <Scolar_Visari> Well, only if they don't exercise. At the moment, muscular loss levels off if you're vigilant.
L358[23:55:33] <Althego> yes iss shows that you can be ok with that more or less
L359[23:55:36] <Scolar_Visari> High endurance missions have had participants recover within a month on Earth gravity. I imagine Mars might be more forgiving.
L360[23:55:40] <Althego> but you have to get used to gravity again
L361[23:56:18] <Scolar_Visari> And, on a well designed Mars mission, you'd have 500 days to adapt.
L362[23:58:07] <Scolar_Visari> It's still unknown what the long term physiological effects of low gravity, if any, will be.
L363[23:58:19] <Althego> which is kind of dumb
L364[23:58:28] <Althego> at least make some effort to try to simulate martian gravity
L365[23:58:48] <Althego> or use some iss experiment with a low g centrigufe with small animals
L366[23:58:55] <Althego> nothing of that kind happened
L367[23:59:15] <Scolar_Visari> Mir had a centrifuge experiment, but it failed.
L368[23:59:42] <Scolar_Visari> The ISS also had a centrifuge module designed, but its launch was canceled and it's now sitting in a parking lot somewhere in Japan.
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