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L56[12:05:46] <Althego> scott
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L67[12:29:39] <Althego> hehe, not a
flamethrower vs aerogel
L68[12:30:05] <iamfishhead1> That just
popped up on my youtube
L69[12:32:22] <Althego> also so many not
people here :)
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L82[15:32:00] <mib_o9qa2u> hey
L83[15:32:24] <mib_o9qa2u> how do I
increase clouds in SVE ?
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L140[19:56:50] <lordcirth> So, I EVA'd
from a craft, no probe core. It starts spinning up. I switched to
it, and it shows that the controls are maxed out in one direction.
I restarted KSP but it's still stuck. I can't return to the craft
while it's spinning so fast.
L141[19:57:43] <lordcirth> Oh well, I have
a decent quicksave
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L143[19:58:19] <Eddi|zuHause> you must
have hit something with your knee on your way out
L144[20:00:45] <UmbralRaptor> 5x
timewarp?
L145[20:09:36] <OmniscientQ> If the
controls are somehow locked into a spin, then it'd just start
spinning again as soon as the timewarp was over.
L146[20:13:32] <nate> Always have
RCS/SAS/Core w/ a shuttle that takes people lol. KSP physics have
always been goofy when it comes to getting out of a
cockpit/container
L147[20:14:42] <OmniscientQ> In other
news, did anyone ever get KSP to work with a joystick/gamepad on
linux?
L148[20:16:23] <jgkamat> I've definitely
gotten it to work in the past with my controller, I haven't tried
it recently though
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L157[20:44:42] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Waffles will now be served as part of our
in-flight hospitality initiative.
L158[20:44:54] <Eddi|zuHause> last time i
tried to use a gamepad (not with this game), steam had some issues
where you had to turn off the steam controller stuff for the native
controller signals to get through
L159[20:45:05] <Eddi|zuHause> but they
said somewher
L160[20:45:11] <Eddi|zuHause> e that they
fixed that
L161[20:45:39] <Eddi|zuHause> that was
like a year ago
L162[20:46:52] <Scolar_Visari> I found
something rather troubling on the Children of the Dead Earth
developer diary . . .
L163[20:47:29] <Scolar_Visari> This
passage: "It was at this point when it finally clicked for me
why aerospace engineer Robert Zubrin, inventor of the Nuclear Salt
Water Rocket, has long since called ion thrusters (in particular,
VASIMR) a hoax."
L164[20:48:55] <Scolar_Visari> I . . .
Zubrin's never called ion drives as a whole a hoax.
L165[20:49:39] <Scolar_Visari> To quote
Zubrin himself: "[VASIMR] is neither revolutionary nor
particularly promising. Rather, it is just another addition to the
family of electric thrusters, which convert electric power to jet
thrust, but are markedly inferior to the ones we already
have."
L166[20:50:36] *
Scolar_Visari also recognizes the irony here given Zubrin later
championed a low thrust magsail-esque craft, the Dipole
Drive.
L167[20:53:16] <UmbralRaptor>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L168[20:53:37] *
UmbralRaptor should finish playing through CoaDE at some
point
L169[20:54:02] <UmbralRaptor> Also, Yay,
waffles
L170[20:54:09] <Scolar_Visari> I like the
game, for the most part, but the developer's really had it out for
electric propulsion.
L171[20:54:29] <Scolar_Visari> Also from
their article: "Extremely high thrust propulsion looks to be
the way to go, unless the radiator limitations can be solved
somehow. Discounting far future drives like antimatter engines,
this cleanly kills off a huge portion of potential drives for bulk
space travel: ion thrusters, most sails and tethers, electric
thrusters, photon thruste
L172[20:54:29] <Scolar_Visari> rs, fission
fragment thrusters. All you are left with besides chemical
propulsion is nuclear, nuclear, nuclear. Maybe I should’ve listened
to Robert Zubrin from the start."
L173[20:55:13] <Scolar_Visari> Er, again,
Zubrin wasn't wholly electric drive (not that he's really much of a
resource on the topic at the moment), and there's been scholarly
work done on low thrust, high delta-v propulsion that sort of
involves significant loads.
L174[20:55:36] *
Scolar_Visari stabs NASA's nuclear and Solar Mars Transfer vehicles
circa DRA 5 Addendum 2.
L175[20:58:20] <Scolar_Visari> I think
Zubrin's real beef with VASIMR was not that it couldn't work in
theory, but that it was well beyond expectations in the present and
required multi-megaWatts worth of power for the advertised, high
energy missions.
L176[20:58:36] *
UmbralRaptor just stabs VASIMR, meanwhile HiPEP beat out everything
its high Isp mode could and demonstrated thousands of hours a
decade and a half ago
L177[20:59:47] <UmbralRaptor> Has VASIMR
broken 10 s of continuous operation yet?
L178[21:00:08] <Scolar_Visari> I think
it's kind of vaporware at the moment.
L179[21:00:30] <Scolar_Visari> My other
problem with Children of a Dead Earth, of course, being the lack of
interceptor missiles and solid fuels for said missiles.
L180[21:00:41] <UmbralRaptor> (Unkind
comparisons to a токама́к would be warranted from my limited
understanding of test articles)
L181[21:03:06] <Scolar_Visari> I can get
why they left out certain technologies, but their developer diary
on ship defenses made me think their understanding falsely assumed
CIWS as all there was to it. OR that missile CIWS isn't a thing ala
RAMS.
L182[21:03:36] *
Scolar_Visari laughs in air-to-air missiles from aircraft shooting
down anti-shipping missiles.
L183[21:05:14] <Scolar_Visari> Given that
there's no, um, horizon in space for missiles to hide behind as
they make their approach, it'd be a bit easier.
L184[21:05:40] <UmbralRaptor> hm
L185[21:06:02] <UmbralRaptor> It always
felt weird firing an autocannon over 10s of km
L186[21:06:20] <Scolar_Visari> There are
naval cannons that can do that, albeit at 75mm calibers and
up.
L187[21:06:28] <Scolar_Visari> They also
have AA ammunition.
L188[21:06:42] *
Scolar_Visari also laughs in World War II dual-purpose
mounts.
L189[21:08:29] <Scolar_Visari> Heck, I
think most cannons still have AA capabilities to supplement
CIWS.
L190[21:08:32] <UmbralRaptor> Ah, yes.
*stares at the County class and Yamato class with disdain*
L191[21:08:35] <Scolar_Visari> They just
aren't directed by their own radar.
L192[21:08:43] <Scolar_Visari> Or
robots.
L193[21:08:58] <UmbralRaptor> (Okay, as
best I'm aware the US dual purpose guns were fine)
L194[21:09:15] <Scolar_Visari> It helped
they had proximity fuses, radar and very good computers.
L195[21:10:03] <Scolar_Visari> I sort of
wish the, "flak" guns in Stellaris were like that: Decent
against both missile weapons and corvettes.
L196[21:11:09] <Scolar_Visari> Which would
make sense given they used to occupy medium mounts exclusively in
the first generation.
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L200[21:16:39] <UmbralRaptor> low poly gun
turret
L201[21:18:06] <Scolar_Visari> That just
means it's easier on frame rate!
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L203[21:19:52] <UmbralRaptor> More fps!
(frames or feet? Yes.)
L204[21:20:05] <Scolar_Visari> Also: The
lack of RCS blocks in CoaDE is kind of weird, too.
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L206[21:21:02] <Scolar_Visari> And docking
points. Docking with nuclear powered warships would be problematic
the way the game has them designed, and they'd have to do
that.
L207[21:23:57] <UmbralRaptor> Docking with
tankers is automagic, right?
L208[21:24:33] <Scolar_Visari> Yes, but
you'd have to be careful given the nuclear reactors aren't shielded
all the way around.
L209[21:24:57] <Scolar_Visari> And there's
no RCS, either . . .
L210[21:25:57] <UmbralRaptor> space
magic!
L211[21:27:55] <Scolar_Visari> Or people
EVA and hook the other ship up with lassos.
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L213[21:38:40] <UmbralRaptor> The real
reason for space cowboys
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L216[21:47:19] <Scolar_Visari> Given Tommy
Lee Jones has a new space movie debuting, he may still be available
for more space cowboying.
L217[21:59:13] <UmbralRaptor> hm
L218[22:01:29] <Scolar_Visari>
"Listen up, men, we need to lasso us up a runaway 'Belt miner
before it runs into Ceres."
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L220[22:08:24] <Scolar_Visari> Movie ends
with Tommy Lee Jones lassoing the miner just in the nick of time,
with footage of it clearing the not-a-planet by centimeters.
L221[22:10:28] *
UmbralRaptor likes the possibility of Ceres being an escaped icy
moon
L222[22:13:25] <Scolar_Visari> That seems
like an awfully low outcome.
L223[22:14:42] <Scolar_Visari> Odds are in
favor of in situ formation in the region or a Kuiper Belt
migrant.
L224[22:23:49] <Tiron> aaaand my thing for
V-Tails may be saving my butt again.
L225[22:25:00] <Tiron> blew up my
elevators climbing out of the water... activated pitch on the V and
managed to take off anyway.
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L227[22:30:10] <Scolar_Visari> Wait . . .
. Is this a spaceplane submarine?
L228[22:30:34] <UmbralRaptor> Consider:
T-tails
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L230[22:35:54] <Scolar_Visari> That sounds
like a Culture novel.
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L237[23:52:24] <Tiron> UmbralRaptor: Just
say no to Deep Stall.
L238[23:54:15] <Tiron> got the plane back
to *and* landed on the runway just by converting the rudders to
ruddervators.
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L242[23:58:25] <Althego> lol
"palpatine is a rey-lo shipper?!"
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