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L4[00:22:12] <kmath> YouTube - NASA Live:
Official Stream of NASA TV
L5[00:37:39] <Althego> seems there is some
problem
L6[00:38:18] <Althego> couldnt dock
automatically
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L12[02:20:55] <Eddi|zuHause> now someone
has to climb in and do it manually?
L13[02:24:37] <Althego> i think there is a
remote
L14[02:24:51] <Althego> but they were
talking about replacing a signal amplifier
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L27[04:59:39] <SDS200> Is there some kind
of technique I can use to align engines to the center of mass
without torque in stock KSP?
L28[05:00:11] <Althego> keep the vessel
symmetric
L29[05:00:35] <Althego> failing that, just
turn off gravity, turn off sas, and start engines
L30[05:03:30] <SDS200> I don't see how
turning off gravity and sas would help against torque?
L31[05:03:51] <Althego> you see if there is
torque or not
L32[05:04:02] <Althego> if there is
minimal, the ship is just going up
L33[05:04:03] <SDS200> well yeah
L34[05:04:11] <SDS200> I did quite a bit of
trial and error
L35[05:04:46] <SDS200> but after 10 tries
of unsuccessfully moving my engines around I was wondering if
there's a better way
L36[05:05:28] <Althego> ker displays the
torque of the engines
L37[05:05:33] <Althego> move them until the
number is zero
L38[05:06:07] <Althego> altough in
complicated cases the fuel level matters so you cant have a forever
zero torque
L39[05:06:07] <SDS200> hmm I guess I won't
be able to play this game without a whole bunch of mods after
all
L40[05:06:14] <Althego> i do
L41[05:06:19] <SDS200> yeah that's part of
what makes it tricky
L42[05:06:41] <Althego> i build eve ascent
vehicles in the soup era without ker
L43[05:06:47] <SDS200> I don't need a lot
of fuel in my case but it's enough to make it annoying to do in a
trial and error manner
L44[05:06:51] <Althego> built
L45[05:07:34] <SDS200> It wouldn't be as
difficult if the center of thrust and center of mass indicators
where more helpful
L46[05:07:48] <Althego> and since delta v
is stock now, and there is radar altimeter too, ker has very little
use aside from the edge cases like asymmetric vehicle torque
L47[05:07:58] <SDS200> yeah
L48[05:08:13] <SDS200> The thing with delta
V is it's something you can calculate by hand
L49[05:08:24] <SDS200> but the torque thing
is mostly a UI issue
L50[05:08:43] <Althego> i used to calculete
them
L51[05:09:07] <SDS200> It's significantly
more fun than eyeballing engine placement that's for sure lol
L52[05:09:08] <Althego> but then ker did
the same thing, and i knew what they do and could do it just
slower, i thought it was ok to use ker too
L53[05:09:40] <SDS200> I guess the thing
about these calculations is it's fun to do them a couple
times
L54[05:09:46] <SDS200> but at some point it
gets a bit repetitive
L55[05:11:26] <SDS200> Still necessary to
do it sometimes in stock since stock delta V to my knowledge
doesn't calculate RCS delta V (?)
L56[05:11:49] <Althego> rcs delta v is
about pointless
L57[05:12:02] <Althego> i always use less
than 1 unit of fuel for docking
L58[05:12:10] <Althego> if at all
L59[05:13:25] <SDS200> I mostly use it to
figure out if it's enough to de orbit some of my heavier tugs
L60[05:14:04] <SDS200> but yeah just for
docking it's not really necessary
L61[05:14:39] <Althego> if you want to use
rcs to deorbit, you could have used the main engine with less mass
involved
L62[05:15:56] <SDS200> some of them only
have rcs
L63[05:17:54] <SDS200> and if they don't
iirc burning monoprop first is always more efficient
L64[05:18:11] <SDS200> so I can calculate
how much fuel I need for the main engines afterwards
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L80[08:31:09] <SDS200> Now I'll just have
to figure out how to launch this
L81[08:42:07] <Mat2ch> Boosters. Many.
:D
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L83[08:51:47] <SDS200> Mat2ch, and struts
:P
L84[08:53:22] <Mat2ch> many many more
;)
L85[08:53:34] <Mat2ch> Some day I should do
my huge Jool mission...
L86[08:54:13] <Mat2ch> But I'm still not
sure how to transport the space plane
L87[08:54:19] <Mat2ch> uh
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L89[08:54:28] <Mat2ch> I just may have got
an idea
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L94[09:07:39] <SDS200> Ok this might just
be a little bit insane
L96[09:14:09] <darsie> To Minmus?
L97[09:14:32] <Althego> to the
batmobile!
L98[09:15:07] <SDS200> darsie, uhm
yes
L99[09:15:09] <Mat2ch> SDS200: Insane?
That's small. :D
L100[09:15:29] <SDS200> I think this might
have a bit too much delta V in the vacuum stage tbh lol
L101[09:16:26] <darsie> Does KER get
mixed/multiple engine stage TWR right?
L102[09:16:35] <Althego> supposedly
L103[09:18:32] <darsie> Landing vertically
on Minmus and falling over may work.
L104[09:20:00] <SDS200> I do have
horizontally mounted engines on the payload
L105[09:20:19] <SDS200> also the reason
why I installed KER was to get the torque on those right
L106[09:21:16] <SDS200> so it *should* be
able to land horizontally at a speed that doesn't result in a small
fireworks display
L108[09:22:02] <darsie> No RW.
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L110[09:22:41] <SDS200> well I tested it
on the landing pad with hacked gravity
L111[09:22:48] <SDS200> idk how close that
is to actual conditions
L112[09:23:06] <darsie> atmosphere
L113[09:23:36] <darsie> Have you ever
landed on the landing pad? ;)
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L115[09:24:44] <SDS200> yes actually
L116[09:25:31] <darsie> A hopper or
something orbital?
L117[09:25:42] <SDS200> but only with a
paragliding Kerbal :P
L118[09:25:48] <darsie> :)
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L146[11:51:20] ***
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L148[12:18:33] <kmath>
<unveriphiedMike> 13 years ago today, @plutokiller killed
#Pluto.
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L150[12:19:22] <Althego> hehe "to be
fair, it had it coming"
L151[12:21:09] <UmbralRaptor> :D
L152[12:25:05] <UmbralRaptor> . o O (Mike
"deathstar" Brown)
L153[12:25:47] <TheKosmonaut> That’s no
moon...
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L166[13:27:29] <SDS200> Given my terrible
design and piloting skills I'm glad I got this into space at all
lol - I guess it was a good thing I added some extra fuel after
all
L167[13:39:16] *
SDS200 sighs
L168[13:39:23] <SDS200> I just noticed one
of the wheels broke - somehow?
L169[13:39:39] <Althego> probably the
fairing
L170[13:40:49] <SDS200> hmm could be
L171[13:43:59] <SDS200> well time to try
this again..
L172[13:44:48] <Mat2ch> SDS200: do you
have an engineer on board? They can fix wheels
L173[13:45:04] <SDS200> I don't think I
have any level 3 engineers
L174[13:45:14] <Mat2ch> :(
L175[13:45:26] <SDS200> I'll just have to
fly this again
L176[13:45:27] <Althego> you need to go
outside kerbin soi for 3 stars
L177[13:45:39] <Mat2ch> which should be
easy.
L178[13:45:40] <Althego> one damaged wheel
should be ok
L179[13:45:47] <Althego> the mars rovers
worked fine like that :)
L180[13:46:10] <SDS200> It won't be
because it has to dock
L181[13:46:29] <SDS200> if it's not
aligned with the claw it will just wobble everything it attached to
around and things will flip over
L182[13:46:47] <SDS200> already needs
quite a bit of tweaking with the landing gear as is to avoid
that
L183[13:46:54] <SDS200> :/
L184[13:57:38] <Althego> strange that all
the serious spece channels on youtube report on ksp2 :)
L185[13:58:21] <SDS200> ok I managed to do
it - almost more efficiently before I mentioned to flip it over and
lose some fuel margin over my previous attempt
L186[13:58:39] <SDS200> anyhow I added
some ejection force to the fairing so the wheel is saved!
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L190[14:03:58] <kmath> YouTube - 8K Video:
Dawn Rises on Spacex Dragon In Orbit
L191[14:04:08] <Althego> now i have to
watch this tomorrow on the tv. and even that is only 4k
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L193[14:08:20] <SDS200> My best screen is
my 1080p laptop screen
L194[14:09:02] *
UmbralRaptor has, uh, let's see…
L195[14:09:07] <Althego> my worst screen
is the 1080p laptop
L196[14:09:19] <UmbralRaptor> 1920x1080
and 1280x1024 external monitors…
L197[14:09:36] <UmbralRaptor> also a
s/1080/1200/
L198[14:10:15] <UmbralRaptor> 1920x1080,
1440x900, and 1280x800 displays on various raptops
L199[14:11:34] <UmbralRaptor> Admittedly I
could have gotten a 4k screen, but it seems silly on a 13"
laptop
L200[14:11:21] <SDS200> lol
L201[14:11:11] <Althego> i was watching
the video full screen, what i rarely do with youtube. and that
annoying green little alien mascot for alza jumped onto the screen
at the end. i wanted to hit somebody
L202[14:10:42] <SDS200> I do wonder if I
should get 4k screens as part of my next upgrade
L203[14:13:05] <SDS200> you mean on the
13" laptop itself or as a secondary one?
L204[14:14:30] <UmbralRaptor> On the
laptop itself (Dell XPS 13)
L205[14:17:28] <SDS200> ah I didn't know
the 13" version had a 4k option as well
L206[14:19:22] <Tank2333> why does a
13" screens needs a 4k is beyond me
L207[14:19:42] <Tank2333> i guess
marketing
L208[14:20:01] <Althego> look, even our
phones are in around resolution
L209[14:20:08] <Althego> and nobody knows
why :)
L210[14:20:14] <umaxtu> is the 1080p panel
>60hz?
L211[14:20:23] <UmbralRaptor> SDS200:
depends on the processor choices, etc
L212[14:21:12] <Tank2333> my one has 1080p
and that is pletny
L213[14:26:27] <SDS200> I was thinking of
one of the XPS series laptops as my next one for traveling
UmbralRaptor
L214[14:27:43] <UmbralRaptor> Pros: very
smol, and you can get ones with Ubuntu installed, so no driver
[REDACTED]. cons: smol, you might prefer Debian, Arch, etc
L215[14:28:02] <UmbralRaptor> Also, 3
USB-C ports ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L216[14:28:20] <SDS200> well what it comes
preinstalled with doesn't matter right?
L217[14:28:29] <SDS200> I can just wipe
the Ubuntu install
L218[14:28:36] <UmbralRaptor> Yeah
L219[14:28:41] <SDS200> just means I don't
have to pay for a windows license I assume?
L220[14:28:59] <SDS200> also does it use
optimus aka will I need bumblebee?
L221[14:29:08] <UmbralRaptor> I think
that's correct? This ended up being a maxed out business one
L222[14:29:17] <UmbralRaptor> And unsure
about that
L223[14:29:33] <SDS200> that's usually a
bit of a tricky one with laptops
L224[14:30:09] <SDS200> bumblebee is a bit
of a hack
L225[14:30:19] <SDS200> and I think it
still doesn't have vulkan support (?)
L226[14:33:22] <umaxtu> UmbralRaptor,
thunderbolt ports right?
L227[14:33:25] <UmbralRaptor> Uh, the
Ubuntu ones have Intel video chips, not nvidea
L228[14:33:41] <UmbralRaptor> umaxtu: some
yes, others no
L229[14:34:02] <UmbralRaptor> USB-C is not
compatible with USB-C
L230[14:35:17] <umaxtu> somebody needs to
make a utility that can detect and display exactly what each type-c
port supports
L231[14:35:37] <Althego>
"universal"
L232[14:36:10] <Althego> i got the
solution, we need usb-d (see competing standards xkcd)
L233[14:36:33] <umaxtu> and the versioning
is nuts.
L234[14:36:38] <umaxtu> USB 3.2 Gen 2x2
for pete's sake
L235[14:36:39] <UmbralRaptor> Unique
Serial Bus
L236[14:36:41] <Althego> and gets worse
with every iteration
L237[14:37:08] <Althego> i wouldnt be so
sure it is completely serial, there are additional lines since usb
3
L238[14:37:17] <UmbralRaptor> hm
L239[14:40:47] <SDS200>
<UmbralRaptor> Uh, the Ubuntu ones have Intel video chips,
not nvidea < ah that's annoying
L240[14:41:34] <SDS200> Having a dedicated
nivida GPU would be useful since I work a lot with linear algebra
things
L242[14:44:14] <SDS200> I spent way too
much time on this tbh lol
L243[14:46:35] <raptop> Minmus flat
express
L244[14:48:22] <SDS200> It's two
parts
L245[14:48:36] <SDS200> one of which is an
extension to my duct tape mining base
L246[14:48:57] <SDS200> the other part is
a tanker for refueling my orbital shuttle
L247[14:49:22] <SDS200> I already had a
smaller tanker but it didn't have much capacity making it annoying
to use
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