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L18[02:31:41] <Althego> https://twitter.com/NASAInSight/status/1154827020624257024
L19[02:31:42] <kmath> <✔NASAInSight> Steady… ⏎ I’m getting ready to try pushing on the ground near my heat probe. Getting close up lets me take some image… https://t.co/OzKORhWXhu
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L75[08:57:55] <darsie> Challenge: Get to orbit without fuel fully reusably.
L76[08:58:38] <darsie> Should be easy on Gilly.
L77[08:58:48] <Althego> hehe
L78[08:58:58] <Althego> the without fuel part makes it a bit hard
L79[09:06:49] <Eddi|zuHause> does EC count as fuel?
L80[09:08:47] <packbart> how would that convert into thrust? putting all energy into the launch won't lift your orbit clear of the surface on its own
L81[09:09:11] <packbart> maybe catapult a craft from Gilly's surface into an Eve slingshot?
L82[09:11:36] <packbart> oh, wait, I see. I had the reference wrong. Of course you could launch from Gilly and not encounter its surface on the return to the launch point because Gilly would have moved
L83[09:12:06] <darsie> Eddi|zuHause: no
L84[09:12:30] <packbart> you'd need to escape Gilly on launch which should be easy enough
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L87[09:14:43] <packbart> and the craft would still crash the next time the moon comes around
L88[09:15:34] <JVFoxy> eep?
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L90[09:16:32] <Guest29257> hi
L91[09:16:33] <Mod9000> Hello, Guest29257
L92[09:17:06] <Guest29257> for game in italian lenguage?
L93[09:17:16] <darsie> Well, launching would not be too hard, but landing and reusing would be quite tricky.
L94[09:17:26] <darsie> hi Guest29257
L95[09:17:45] <darsie> Guest29257: Type /nick Mario29257
L96[09:18:06] *** Guest29257 is now known as Mario29257
L97[09:18:19] <Mario29257> lol
L98[09:18:25] <darsie> Hi Mario29257 :)
L99[09:18:57] <Mario29257> anyway
L100[09:19:03] <JVFoxy> yo
L101[09:19:12] <darsie> idk about KSP language settings.
L102[09:19:21] <Mario29257> ok
L103[09:19:21] <darsie> My English is good enough.
L104[09:19:27] <JVFoxy> darsie landing and reusing in which respect, sorry?
L105[09:19:44] <darsie> JVFoxy: Challenge: Get to orbit without fuel fully reusably.
L106[09:19:49] <darsie> e.g. on Gilly
L107[09:20:26] <darsie> I guess a lot of KSP puns are non translatable.
L108[09:21:51] <JVFoxy> hmm..
L109[09:22:14] <JVFoxy> wasn't sure if you meant relaunching SSTO from Kerbin, skipping the refueling part
L110[09:23:36] <JVFoxy> actually, something I did in early version KSP, rather unintentional.. command seat plane and was before heating effects
L111[09:24:01] <Althego> in early versions you could go supersonic just with the control surafces
L112[09:27:26] <JVFoxy> lol.. oh right. the 'waggle' ships
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L114[09:27:45] <Althego> in fact i had trouble landing in some cases because of that
L115[09:32:02] <JVFoxy> ya.. then it became level-0 landing wheels blowing up if you so much as breathed on them
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L117[09:34:44] <Althego> in ksp everything is made out of explosive. the difference is, those wheels were made of azidoazide azide
L118[09:36:24] <Althego> "Due to their behavior during the process of synthesis, it was obvious that the sensitivities (of these compounds) will be not less than extreme. . .
L119[09:36:25] <Althego> The sensitivity of C2N14 is beyond our capabilities of measurement. The smallest possible loadings in shock and friction tests led to explosive decomposition. . ."
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L122[09:39:46] <packbart> well, Nitrogen desperately wants to be a gas. Shouldn't we just accept that on not try to force it into ever longer chains?
L123[09:47:10] <JVFoxy> I thought the idea of steam powered cars was kind of neat. But, no, some say, its dangerous having a pressurized tank of steam and water that could blow up. Oh and having a tank of gas strapped to the back of a car isn't any more safer?
L124[09:47:29] <Althego> not exactly the same
L125[09:48:03] <darsie> I typed echo hot tea >/dev/random and then this happened: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot274.png
L126[09:48:18] <UmbralRaptop> It depends on details? Also, you still need to heat the steam
L127[09:52:09] <JVFoxy> the other thing too is, boiler vs steam generator... first one you have a massive tank of water trying to heat up. Second, is just a little bit, which flash boils
L128[09:52:52] <packbart> Wind-up cars are the future ;)
L129[09:53:37] <JVFoxy> and true you do need a fuel source for heating, but you can use basically a heavy oil, which isn't quite as potentially explosive as gas used in cars
L130[09:54:00] <Althego> hehe the wind up train in syberia 1 and 2
L131[09:54:20] <Althego> it always broke down a few meters from the next wind up station
L132[09:54:21] <JVFoxy> packbart: I thought compressed air would have been cool. Its actually used in a few places for small people 'carts' on warehouse floors.
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L134[09:55:04] <_8> ù
L135[09:55:11] <Althego> ű
L136[09:55:14] <_8> hi
L137[09:55:17] <Mod9000> Hello, _8
L138[09:56:34] <_8> if you see that your cursors are going crazy, know that I haven't hacked you
L139[10:03:23] <UmbralRaptop> ü
L140[10:03:45] <UmbralRaptop> Unicode allows for much silliness
L141[10:07:55] <Althego> ☃
L142[10:08:14] <Althego> unicode snowman for you .com
L143[10:10:17] <UmbralRaptop> consider: ☠☢☣☡
L144[10:10:25] <packbart> "SSTO: Straight Shot To Ocean"
L145[10:18:13] <Althego> or so the flat earthers say
L146[10:25:15] <JVFoxy> if it such a flat earth, wouldn't going to space be easy? Just fly off the edge
L147[10:25:31] <darsie> Fall off
L148[10:25:59] <Althego> no because you hit the dome
L149[10:26:03] <darsie> Or see what engine powers Earth to provide artificial gravity.
L150[10:26:31] <Althego> there is n o gravity
L151[10:26:58] <darsie> That's why Earth is accelerated.
L152[10:26:59] <Althego> they say it is buoyancy and density lol
L153[10:29:22] <darsie> How did Reinhold Messner get from one side of the Antarctic to the other on foot?
L154[10:29:36] <darsie> Didn't happen?
L155[10:29:41] <Althego> yes
L156[10:29:54] <Althego> nobody cross or flew over the south pole
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L159[10:30:55] <JVFoxy> dome huh? how convenient..
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L161[10:33:20] <Althego> these people are so dumb, they see videos from yo yo despin rockets and they say it hit the dome
L162[10:34:12] * darsie cheated out of a contract: Measure temperature on Gilly below 7000 km etc. 4x. Forgot it was below and took the contract, but that's too slow.
L163[10:34:21] <darsie> 1x acceleration <8000 km.
L164[10:34:43] <darsie> Althego: lol
L165[10:35:08] <darsie> I thought a yoyo despin video was fake when I first saw it.
L166[10:35:16] <JVFoxy> don't know about 'dumb'.. the fact they are so hard set on something, nothing will change their mind is actually a little scary
L167[10:35:36] <packbart> I was on maintenance detail for the northern star spotlights on The Dome for 6 months. Boy, what a crummy job. Those things are hot and they fail every other night.
L168[10:35:52] <Althego> hehe
L169[10:36:53] <JVFoxy> twinkle twinkle little star.. wait what? :P
L170[10:37:16] <Althego> the frog leap studios version :)
L171[10:37:17] <JVFoxy> come to think of it... ever read Steal Beach?
L172[10:37:37] <JVFoxy> ... *steal beach, by John Varley I believe
L173[10:39:30] <JVFoxy> Humanity ended up living on the moon, spaces carved out under the surface. Something about aliens making it so we couldn't be on Earth.
L174[10:40:01] <JVFoxy> Any case.. dome there, big sun on tracks. sorta of a play on the whole 'flat earth' I suppose...
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L176[10:40:51] <packbart> the VAB music reminds me that I was going to build Ninja Base into a multi-moon hopper thingy. Replace one lab with an ISRU converter, add a drill and larger tanks, rejiggle some weights.
L177[10:41:26] <packbart> so it can land on the Mun and on Minmus, then get on its way to Duna. I've got contracts to fulfill
L178[10:41:30] <JVFoxy> heh.. jiggling weights
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L180[10:45:47] <APlayer> Their explanation is not as far-fetched as it seems. After all, the "d" in "despin" obviously stands for "dome"
L181[10:47:27] <APlayer> And as for star twinkle, that is caused by atmospheric turbulences. As the air moves, the areas of varying pressure and density cause the tent-like dome structure to move with them, which is the main cause of twinkling stars
L182[10:51:07] <packbart> oh don't get me started on that stupid flexible design. It's not easy to build high-current connectors that withstand the push-pull motions. Even then, *THEY* had to skimp on costs, of course, and buy the cheapest plugs they could get (think coax connectors, just with meter-size diameters)
L183[10:51:28] <packbart> most of the aurora lights we see are just arcing in the starlight wiring
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L185[11:01:44] <Guest> if you see that your cursors are going crazy, know that I haven't hacked you
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L187[11:04:57] <JVFoxy> .... saturday crazies?
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L194[11:31:34] <UmbralRaptop> I guess
L195[11:32:48] <UmbralRaptop> same hostmask anyway
L196[11:32:51] <JVFoxy> gotta go play in traffic... enough crazy for me to deal with...
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L284[22:17:45] <Guest06937> How do I get a refund for this game? Just bought it tonight. Not played it at all. Feel like I have to have an IT degree to understand let alone fix what ever is wrong. Not worth it to me. How do I get a refund for this game?
L285[22:20:09] <Guest06937> To be clear, I cannot get the game working on my computer. I would just like to get my money back. Any help would be appreciated, thank you.
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L287[22:22:08] <TheKosmonaut> Guest06937: did you buy it on steam?
L288[22:22:28] <Guest06937> No, directly on KSP
L289[22:24:03] <TheKosmonaut> Guest06937: kk hang on a sec lemme get the email address to contact for ya
L290[22:24:23] <Guest06937> Thank you!
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L292[22:25:47] <TheKosmonaut> Try contacting support@kerbalspaceprogram.com
L293[22:25:53] <TheKosmonaut> ...
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L295[22:27:45] <TheKosmonaut> Guest25965: hello
L296[22:27:54] <TheKosmonaut> We're you the one looking for the email a min ago
L297[22:28:02] <Guest25965> Hi, yes please.
L298[22:28:03] <TheKosmonaut> support@kerbalspaceprogram.com
L299[22:28:07] <TheKosmonaut> There you go
L300[22:28:15] <Guest25965> I got disconnected. Thank you.
L301[22:29:05] <Guest25965> Do they refund? I never played the game.
L302[22:30:09] <TheKosmonaut> Guest25965: that's between them and you. I am not too sure what the refund policy is
L303[22:30:25] <Guest25965> Okay....
L304[22:30:28] <TheKosmonaut> I do know that refunds for third party sites like GOG and steam etc aren't covered by squad
L305[22:30:43] <TheKosmonaut> But as for KSP itself from the site, not sure.
L306[22:31:54] <Guest25965> Well I guess I'll find out. Disappointing, I really wanted to play. I just can't trouble shoot all the IT mumbo jumbo to fix what ever is wrong. Feel like I need an IT degree to understand.
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L313[23:08:45] <Rolf> https://twitter.com/AstroHardin/status/1154783259945000960
L314[23:08:45] <kmath> <AstroHardin> Turn your device to the landscape position and watch this! This is spectacular! #ISS ?? https://t.co/tc32CPyPlO
L315[23:11:06] <Althego> as in ksp, docking always happens on the night side so you cant see anything
L316[23:11:30] <Althego> what vehicle is this from?
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