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L1[00:21:52] <Althego> proton launch in 7
hours
L2[00:29:40] <JVFoxy> lol....
L3[00:29:48] <JVFoxy> sorry, got thinking to
RL doesn't have a FF feature
L4[00:29:59] <JVFoxy> then mind went to,
what if KSP had a rewind feature like in some of those racing
games
L5[00:30:28] <Althego> imagine jeb with the
dagger of time
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L7[00:30:54] <JVFoxy> instead of special
sand, kerbal fears
L8[00:35:41] <JVFoxy> actually jeb with
anything sharp and pointy.. do we know if he's as good with such
items as he is with flying?
L9[00:39:23] <Althego> lol the flat earth
was invented to cover up the hollow earth
L10[00:44:36] <Rolf> nah it isnt hollow
earth, it just seems so
L11[00:44:43] <Rolf> its really a
hypersphere
L12[00:44:59] <Rolf> well fine hypergeoid
anyway
L13[00:45:23] <Althego> since everything is
in 4 dimensional spacetime
L14[00:45:30] <Althego> that must be t
rue
L15[00:48:43] <Rolf> you should read the
three body problem trilogy
L16[00:48:45] <Rolf> amazing
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L34[03:43:05] <kmath> YouTube - Does Mars
Have Life? Methane on Mars with Dr. John McGowan
L35[03:48:31] <darsie> Someone said the
answer to such questions is no.
L36[03:51:42] <Althego> i think if there
was ever life on mars it is still there now. even earth has a huge
biomass living kms under the surface
L37[03:53:04] <darsie> I will excuse your
use of kms as plural this time.
L38[03:54:08] <darsie> But don't ever say
299792.458 kms.
L39[03:54:43] <Althego> i would never
L40[03:54:48] <darsie> :)
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L53[06:08:37] <ATCycle> I'm trying to
install Astronomer's visual pack in KSP 1.7.3 via CKAN and since
it's only officially compatible with 1.7.2 I was trying to use the
"Compatible KSP Versions" Settings and checked
"1.7"
L54[06:08:44] <ATCycle> However, it still
doesn't show up as compatible
L55[06:08:48] <ATCycle> What am I doing
wrong?
L56[06:10:52] <JVFoxy> lol.. I just dropped
into say I only just now noticed 1.7.3 is now a thing, thanks in
part to Shadowzone video getting suggested in my youtube videos.
:\
L57[06:11:13] <Althego> i linked that
shadowzone video here lol
L58[06:11:34] <Althego> but even that was a
day late
L59[06:12:00] <JVFoxy> Althego I just woke
up, first thing I did was pop by my youtube, then came here
L60[06:13:47] <JVFoxy> i've yet to even
unpack 1.7.0...
L61[06:14:56] <ATCycle> Would it be safe
for my save games to roll back to 1.7.2 via steam for compatibility
instead if the compatibility feature of CKAN doesn't work?
L62[06:16:56] <JVFoxy> ATCycle You could
try running KSP as 1.7.3 and the mod by itself, see if it
works.
L63[06:17:22] <Althego> for this small
changes it is possible it actually works
L64[06:17:32] <packbart> my career game
survived the update, so I guess downgrading should be safe,
too
L65[06:18:08] <JVFoxy> packbart heh, any
times it hasn't survived?
L66[06:18:56] <packbart> I keep hearing
"I do not upgrade because that would break my game"
L67[06:19:07] <packbart> I never had that
problem ;)
L69[06:19:58] <JVFoxy> game breaking can
come at least two ways, game just dosen't work, or work as
intended..
L70[06:20:34] <JVFoxy> or they added
something that changes that would have affected progress of game
play in some way
L72[06:21:55] <JVFoxy> like with the Mk3
command pod, between versions, they changed it quite a bit, made it
lighter. If you were to move a save file over, you'd still have the
old part but anything new would be forced to use the new one
L74[06:22:46] <Althego> kernobyl :)
L75[06:23:24] <JVFoxy> The 'overkill' pic..
so why the covered docking ports on the side of the giant engine
blocks?
L78[06:25:06] <Althego> hmm, one hour until
proton launch
L79[06:29:27] <ATCycle> JVFoxy ATCycle You
could try running KSP as 1.7.3 and the mod by itself, see if it
works. < The issue is CKAN doesn't let me install it - it's what
I was planning to do
L81[06:30:38] <Althego> because the two
halves of the ssto dock together after releaseing the payload
L83[06:32:52] <JVFoxy> ATCycle ah ya... it
blocks any version mis-matches.. I guess either revert to previous
version that works. or manually install. Though I think version
checker might still throw a fit
L84[06:33:22] <ATCycle> the weird part is
that I thought that's what the "Compatible KSP versions"
thing was for
L85[06:33:29] <ATCycle> but it doesn't seem
to have any effect
L87[06:33:49] <kmath> YouTube - Запуск
астрофизической обсерватории Спектр-РГ
L88[06:33:52] <Althego> in russian
L89[06:33:55] <ATCycle> the whole reason I
installed CKAN in the first place is so I don't have to manually
install the mod and all of its dependencies...
L90[06:34:17] <Althego> too bad i am not
going to be able to watch the chandrayaan-2 launch
L91[06:35:20] <JVFoxy> Althego geez... size
of those fairings, might wanna recover them. Maybe in version of
KSP :P
L92[06:36:54] <ATCycle> what's even
stranger is
L93[06:37:10] <ATCycle> that some mods with
1.7.2 do become compatible when I change the option in the
settings
L94[06:37:16] <Althego> hah, local leet
time
L95[06:37:18] <JVFoxy> ATCycle KSP has
moments it updates pretty frequently, there will come times when
CKAN and the mode makers will need at least a little bit of time to
play catchup. CKAN isn't a perfect system, granted.
L96[06:37:19] <ATCycle> just that specific
mod doesn't O_o
L97[06:37:51] <ATCycle> JVFoxy I don't have
an issue with it not being updated just that its force
compatibility feature seems to be bugged
L98[06:38:15] <ATCycle> or there seems to
be something there that I don't get
L99[06:40:19] <JVFoxy> I tried manually
installing a mod meant for 1.7 into a 1.6 game. I think CKAN threw
a hissy-fit at me and disabled the mod
L101[06:40:50] <ATCycle> This is what
happens
L102[06:41:12] <ATCycle> All the other
1.7.2 mods become available just not the one I wanted to
install
L103[06:41:41] <ATCycle> Is it because one
of the "Suggests" dependencies is still not
available?
L104[06:42:20] <JVFoxy> ya.. I was trying
out EVE and Scatterer myself. Turns out my GPU was gagging on
things a bit too much anyways so.. I removed it. :\
L105[06:42:33] <ATCycle> hmm actually that
seems to be the case
L106[06:42:57] <ATCycle> because one of
the *optional* dependencies was incompatible it didn't let me
install it
L107[06:43:11] <JVFoxy> might wanna wait a
bit till things play catchup 1.7.3 only came out a few days
ago
L108[06:43:27] <ATCycle> I think I'll just
try it
L109[06:43:40] <ATCycle> since it's just a
visual mod what's the worst that could happen? (famous last
words)
L110[06:44:02] <packbart> the
linuxgurugamer doesn't put any "max version" into version
files anymore. I guess that is the way forward
L111[06:45:30] <JVFoxy> Althego watch'n
CuriousMarc and Scott shows up at his door as they were running a
data dump on LEM AGC computer... @.@
L112[06:45:49] <Althego> yes the special
guest
L113[06:46:32] <JVFoxy> here I was
thinking someone from NASA or something, last thing I was expecting
was Scott. I guess with his videos of being Europe kinda threw
me
L114[06:47:56] <JVFoxy> A while back, I
offered to help a friend figure out why their spaceplane wasn't
working too well. They through me the craft file, and I noticed it
had a lot of 'missing parts' in my version of the game.
L115[06:48:41] <JVFoxy> I asked what they
had going, they threw me list of something like 50 different mods..
I put them in, ugh, I was so stupidly lost in all the changes it
did to the game x.x
L116[06:49:01] <Althego> hehe
L117[06:49:08] <JVFoxy> not to mention the
stupid amount of time it took to just start up KSP
L118[06:49:27] <Althego> for now even the
robotics parts add enoug hcomplexity for me
L119[06:49:53] <Althego> now i really have
to make the folded plane to duna and eve missions
L120[06:50:12] <Althego> although the
props alone are complicated enough
L121[06:50:39] <Althego> since you cant
mirror a part, counter rotating props would looks silly
L122[06:50:46] <JVFoxy> ya.. thought it
funny, you have jets, rockets, but rotating props somehow got
missed?
L123[06:50:58] <Althego> you have rockets
before wheels
L124[06:51:31] <ATCycle> looks like it
works just fine with the exception of the warning
L125[06:51:43] <JVFoxy> they had those
cars flying around in the VAB/SPH... Grounded mod allows you to
build stuff based off kerbal ground vehicles
L126[06:52:01] <Eddi|zuHause> i find it a
stupid idea to load up a list of 50 odd mods someone else sent you
without looking up what each indivdidual mod does
L127[06:53:27] <JVFoxy> Eddi|zuHause I
think it was more... unexpected. We talked about them using some
mods, didn't realize the extent of how many they were using.
L128[06:53:52] <JVFoxy> It may not
acutally have been 50, just it was a lot
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L130[06:57:33] <JVFoxy> ... nice touch
with the flip clock on the launch video.
L131[06:57:59] <Althego> now if they could
produce some english commentary
L132[06:58:22] <Althego> had i been born a
few years sooner i would have learned some russian in school
L133[06:59:10] <Althego> now i think it
would have been useful
L134[06:59:45] <JVFoxy> Danish, mom's from
Denmark... sadly she gave up pretty quickly on me. :\
L135[07:00:23] <JVFoxy> Also japanese but
later in life friend said I should have learned sooner, gets way
harder in life.
L136[07:00:40] <Althego> yes, basically i
am unable to learn new languages now
L137[07:01:54] <JVFoxy> ... that radar
dish looked awfully familiar
L138[07:01:58] <Althego> yes
L139[07:02:01] <Althego> i just thought
so
L140[07:02:10] <Althego> lot of parts have
a real world original
L141[07:02:29] <Althego> so i guess it is
from the venera series
L142[07:03:08] <Althego> or maybe nt
L143[07:03:21] <Althego> at least it
resembled venera, but who knows
L144[07:04:13] <JVFoxy> can still learn
something new.. crews that head up to ISS pick up on at least a few
things I think
L145[07:04:44] <Althego> since they can
only go with the soyuz, they have to learn russian
L146[07:04:49] <Althego> at least enough
to operate the vehicle
L147[07:05:00] <JVFoxy> it also helps if
you have some way you could actually use it on a regular
basis
L149[07:07:54] <Althego> venera 15 and
16
L150[07:08:21] <Althego> the wiki doesnt
mention this either
L151[07:10:28] <JVFoxy> ah or venus
L152[07:10:32] <JVFoxy> *for
L153[07:15:04] <Althego> did she mention
lenin?
L154[07:17:15] <JVFoxy> don't know.. muted
so I can watch shadowzone video
L155[07:17:27] <JVFoxy> half wondering if
firespitter is now spitting dust
L156[07:18:04] <JVFoxy> I may have to try
and make my ol' fav bird (beech 18) again some day.
L157[07:20:33] <darsie> Expand surface
outpost "Mun station" on The Mun. 1 star.
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L159[07:23:39] <JVFoxy> expand how
so?
L160[07:23:46] <Althego> add a new
module
L161[07:23:56] <Althego> those contracts
originally require at least one docking port
L162[07:23:59] <darsie> Dock
L163[07:24:01] <JVFoxy> guess they figured
since you can already get there, nothing new?
L164[07:26:10] <darsie> Easy peasy. Make a
precision landing (cheating with KER's landing spot indicator), tip
over the module on wheels, drive and dock.
L165[07:26:43] <Althego> less than 5
minutes remaining
L166[07:26:56] <darsie> Till the true
vacuum bubble reaches us?
L167[07:27:04] <Althego> lol
L168[07:27:09] <darsie> :)
L169[07:27:13] <Althego> we wouldnt know,
it happens at the speed of light
L170[07:27:17] <darsie> almost
L171[07:28:07] <Althego> until the protn
launch
L173[07:29:16] <JVFoxy> ... vacuum
bubble?
L174[07:29:24] <Althego> there is this
possibility
L175[07:29:32] <Althego> that the current
physics vacuum is afalse vacuum
L176[07:29:40] <Althego> and at any moment
in a random point
L177[07:29:47] <darsie> url?
L178[07:29:58] <Althego> the vacuum
undergoes a phase change, similar to freezing
L180[07:29:59] <kmath> YouTube - Запуск
астрофизической обсерватории Спектр-РГ
L181[07:30:29] <Althego> and that effect
is going to propagate from that point with almost the speed of
light, changing the physics as we know it, destroying
everything
L182[07:31:05] <JVFoxy> L2 point of
sun-earth or L2 of Earth-moon?
L183[07:31:51] <Althego> it looked for a
few secodns it wouldnt launch
L184[07:32:09] <JVFoxy> ya.. clock
probably a little off...
L185[07:32:49] <JVFoxy> some asking about
telemetry.. guessing this one of those 'no frills' launch
L186[07:33:02] <Althego> no,
actually
L187[07:33:11] <Althego> they had a lot
going on
L188[07:33:24] <JVFoxy> oop spoke too soon
;P
L189[07:34:07] <Althego> they even have
nice cg
L190[07:34:31] <Althego> as we know from
the failed soyuz launch these cg screens are prerendered, so they
can show false info
L191[07:35:16] <JVFoxy> I think its timing
is a little off, first stage looked like it already dropped off a
few moments before it showed
L192[07:36:36] <Althego> but at least it
is in english
L193[07:37:44] <Althego> still cant beat
spacex with the multiple cameras
L195[07:38:56] <kmath> YouTube - Royal
Navy International Air Day 2019 - RNAS Yeovilton Live
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L198[08:08:10] <darsie> Two tourists to
land on Minmus ...
L199[08:09:18] <Althego> as long as they
dont want to land on the mun too, it is easy, just take a long
time
L200[08:10:01] <darsie> Time fetishist
;).
L201[08:10:52] <Althego> this can be
easily parallelized, so "time not important, only life
important"
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L205[09:26:02] <darsie> Jeb showed Rosmin
and Halbin a great time on the surface of Minmus and returned to
Kerbin with 13 m/s left.
L206[09:27:10] <darsie> Take off at Kerbin
was very slow with 1.25 TWR.
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L209[10:15:12] <Althego> that is
normal
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L212[10:17:58] <darsie> Seemed to be less
than 2.5 m/s^2.
L213[10:18:46] <Althego> all my rockets
start under 1.3 tw
L214[10:18:47] <Althego> r
L215[10:18:55] <Althego> anything higher
means they are overpowered
L216[10:19:07] <Althego> planes start
under 0.5 or even lower
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L219[10:41:59] <Althego> yes, matt was
faster
L221[10:42:04] <kmath> YouTube - KSP:
Stock SCIENCE PLANE to EVE! (Breaking Ground DLC)
L222[10:43:32] <Althego> those wings are
huge for eve
L223[10:45:10] <Althego> it is obvious
that wings should be folded, now that it can be done
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L241[13:29:21] <Althego> scott
L242[13:29:32] <Althego> sadly no
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L287[22:57:26] <lordcirth_> LupiDragon, 90
minutes? that's really efficient. You may as well stick an RTG on
it and go infinite.
L288[22:59:52] <Rolf> dunno
L289[22:59:55] <Rolf> rtg is quite
heavy
L290[23:10:06] <lordcirth_> 80kg, vs those
2 Z-400 batteries which are 20kg each
L291[23:10:44] <lordcirth_> A 40kg
increase for infinite duration seems worth it. LupiDragon, what's
the mass of the craft?
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L293[23:22:00] <Rolf> it looks tiny
L294[23:22:10] <Rolf> i see 2 smallest
batteries and its quite large on craft
L295[23:22:16] <Rolf> could be wrong
tho
L296[23:28:00] <umaxtu_mobile> thats what
it looks like to me