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L25[05:52:53] <Eddi|zuHause> yes. youtube. i do want to learn about the 10 best romance tropes in fiction.
L26[05:53:24] <Gasher[work]> 10 best roman troops in fiction
L27[05:53:55] <Eddi|zuHause> i also do want a german course for beginners
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L30[06:06:14] <packbart> Einmal zwei halbe Hahn, bitte.
L31[06:06:52] <Eddi|zuHause> Ich möchte diesen Teppich nicht kaufen.
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L33[06:43:11] <JVFoxy> lol
L34[06:43:51] <JVFoxy> Eddi|zuHause you actually speak or just mocking?
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L38[06:54:01] <packbart> it's a joke from a german beer commercial ;)
L39[06:55:48] <packbart> .oO( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1X2rNzW0c4 )
L40[06:59:07] <JVFoxy> might explain why some vids showed up on my google search when I meant to pull out translate instead
L41[07:00:21] <JVFoxy> mind you, I didn't check them out..
L42[07:01:43] <packbart> it just means that in Bavaria, one can order a beer by making just about any noise ;)
L43[07:03:52] <JVFoxy> ah.. then again, beer is something of a big culture over there
L44[07:31:35] <Eddi|zuHause> i have some vague memory of a sketch teaching "Imbiss-Deutsch"
L45[07:32:18] <Eddi|zuHause> featuring sentences along the lines of "i am the two sausages"
L46[07:32:46] <packbart> that's the one with "zwei halbe Hahn", too ;)
L47[07:34:04] <packbart> ( from 2004 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AFZdFrfXoA )
L48[07:34:50] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah. that's it
L49[07:37:12] <Eddi|zuHause> the top comment is great :p
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L51[08:11:29] <JVFoxy> huh... ended up digging around. I remember there'd been a website where you could watch all these commercials...
L52[08:13:03] <JVFoxy> kind of fell from my radar when they switched to making people either sign up or pay to watch the videos...
L53[08:13:59] <JVFoxy> those old videos made me think back to when a few friends and I would pull up funny international commercials from back in the day
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L57[08:31:15] <packbart> "What are you sinking about?" - ah, the classics
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L59[08:31:34] <packbart> Jeb's got no such luxury and needs to navigate his own transit back to Kerbin
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L61[08:50:32] * JVFoxy face palms and dohs..
L62[08:51:04] <JVFoxy> back in the day, my KSP growing up was Lego Classic Space...
L63[08:51:36] <JVFoxy> then I got wondering, anyone tried doing a Lego Jeb? So.. searched online. Come across pic of 4 people doing some Kerbal cosplay..
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L69[10:33:41] <JVFoxy> contract to get a pressure reading above 18.5km, a little bit north of the mountain range behind KSP... but with first level VAB and launch pad..
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L71[10:39:32] <Althego> that should be easy
L72[10:39:43] <Althego> you van build orbitl things with that
L73[10:40:01] <Althego> the problem is when the above 17 km contracts start on the other side of the planet
L74[10:42:48] <JVFoxy> a few contracts, 4 points in flight above the mun, random places
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L79[11:51:52] <JVFoxy> Althego lol.. built what looks to be some sorta scifi drone or something
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L81[11:54:12] <Althego> construction complete
L82[12:01:33] <JVFoxy> sorta
L83[12:01:34] <JVFoxy> https://imgur.com/a/gWPI453
L84[12:01:42] <JVFoxy> finally off to that waypoint in the sky
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L86[12:04:26] <Althego> lol
L87[12:04:30] <Althego> i would have build a rocket
L88[12:05:23] <Althego> i really like the temporary scott intro (by mouth)
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L90[12:09:23] <JVFoxy> ya but how much would your rocket have costed you in the end? I'm probably only getting 18.5k for this one run as is
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L92[12:10:58] <Althego> the other way is to postpone it until i get the whatsitsname engine in the science plane 3, and that can go up to taht altitude
L93[12:12:51] <JVFoxy> jet engine? Wheezer, Panther or Whiplash?
L94[12:13:06] <Althego> must be the panther
L95[12:13:58] <Althego> the problem is that the game gives you these contracts early but that engine is available way later
L96[12:14:40] <JVFoxy> panther has afterburner and thrust vectoring
L97[12:14:47] <Althego> that
L98[12:15:04] <Althego> the engines before that cant really go that high
L99[12:16:07] <JVFoxy> 'I can't get to it yet', contract filtering... but ya
L100[12:16:36] <Althego> you can, with rockets, for a lot of money
L101[12:16:42] <Althego> exception if they are really close
L102[12:16:44] <JVFoxy> oh btw.. here's a contract for Ike.. ya we know you just landed on the Mun, but see what you can do. :\
L103[12:16:50] <Althego> hehe
L104[12:17:01] <Althego> take it for the advance
L105[12:17:27] <JVFoxy> expiring date on some of these contracts... 7 years later
L106[12:17:56] <Althego> you can collect all science and go there with ions or something
L107[12:18:16] <JVFoxy> I understand you get contracts that pay more based on your rep..
L108[12:19:22] <JVFoxy> would be nice to visit Ike some day... setup a base or something, relay stations.
L109[12:19:38] <Althego> relatively boring space
L110[12:20:18] <JVFoxy> lol... I don't know. Maybe I'm weird considering I've been talk'n about a polar station on Kerbin for a while
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L112[12:22:27] <JVFoxy> oof.. ok waypoint hacked.
L113[12:23:00] <JVFoxy> er done..
L114[12:23:28] <JVFoxy> guess thought 'hacked' because been wacking at this problem for so long with the drone design
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L116[12:25:27] <JVFoxy> I should have enough jet fuel to get back to the runway, chute back down
L117[12:25:36] <Althego> https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/americas-stealthy-drone-fighter-back-xq-58-valkyrie-makes-2nd-test-flight-66321
L118[12:25:56] <JVFoxy> other two above 18km contracts involve crew reports.. eh..
L119[12:28:09] <Althego> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/XQ-58A_Valkyrie_demonstrator_first_flight.jpg
L120[12:28:12] <Althego> hehe, kratos
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L122[12:30:31] <JVFoxy> and home
L123[12:31:19] <JVFoxy> https://imgur.com/a/xj5tk92
L124[12:34:10] <JVFoxy> contract was just shy of 20k actually. Craft was launched at 11k. recovered %100 minus nearly all fuel, 10.85k
L125[12:34:50] <Althego> that is not the biggets problem usually, these contracts soak up so much time
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L127[12:37:38] <JVFoxy> I have a docking target in orbit, its already passed over again by the time I got to KSC with this last contract
L128[12:37:57] <Althego> yes, stuff like that
L129[12:38:30] <Althego> if you need to fly around the planet for a contract like this, you are better off launching to missions to the moon in the same time
L130[12:38:36] <Althego> two
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L132[12:40:09] <JVFoxy> I suppose I should just prep at least a flyby-return probe to Mun. I was mostly holding off on the other parts (have to buy specific research parts this career as well)
L133[12:41:21] <JVFoxy> Although, I could make do without an antenna since it'll just a self return flight. I can get the flyby down close easily enough
L134[12:45:32] <JVFoxy> anyways.. suppose I should take a break..
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L160[16:22:23] <packbart> when I read https://www.nasa.gov/leo-economy/commercial-use/pricing-policy, I feel the urge to send a Kerbal-style contract proposal to NASA... ;)
L161[16:22:47] <packbart> "We recently discovered a thing: Nobody really knows how to use X in space. This is where you come in."
L162[16:23:44] <packbart> maybe run a fundraiser. $18k plus $6k for a kg of X should be easy to collect. but which X? I'm thinking board games
L163[16:27:20] <packbart> .oO(have the ISS crew sit down for an hour and play Cluedo. Although that could be awkward. "It was the russian in the Soyuz with an O2 tank")
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L165[16:35:42] <darsie> Does NASA accept mission proposals?
L166[16:36:02] <darsie> Like, have a web form or email for it?
L167[16:36:29] <UmbralRaptor> darsie: look at the 2020 decadal survey process?
L168[16:37:04] <UmbralRaptor> Also, discovery and new frontiers mission selection stuff
L169[16:43:00] <packbart> ooh, 1.7.3 released *update*
L170[16:43:25] <packbart> ( https://store.steampowered.com/news/?appids=220200 )
L171[16:45:09] *** UmbralRaptor changes topic to Kerbal Space Program 1.7.3 official channel | Rules: http://archive.is/5bp8u | PM ops as needed | ΔV maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | <packbart> stupid Kerbals, begin to breathe before the air has materialized
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L180[16:56:51] <packbart> "Remove from symmetry functionality added to all parts." - Yay. that's what made me install the Editor Extensions (Reduxed) Mod.
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L184[17:01:14] <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't understand that sentence
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L186[17:06:03] <packbart> parts added with n-fold symmetry in the editor
L187[17:06:27] <packbart> now it's possible to modify them individually
L188[17:06:56] <packbart> oh my, suddenly the deployed Mystery Goo units catch up and report science
L189[17:08:20] <UmbralRaptop> Does this mean you can place goo with symmetry, but split it over multiple action groups?
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L191[17:15:16] <packbart> looks like it. even better than the Editor mod, I can remove just single parts from symmetry. that could be useful
L192[17:15:48] <packbart> hmm. but if I then try to modify (rotate) the remaining parts, they suddenly snap into a n-1 configuration :/
L193[17:16:15] <packbart> but well, it works at least like the mod I could possibly remove now :)
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L199[17:28:21] <packbart> Fuel crossfeed across docking ports works not like I expected it to. Or rather it does when I expect it not to, as I realize in horror that the transfer stage has been feeding from the base lander tanks
L200[17:29:36] <packbart> it probably makes a difference in which direction the root part is? I had crosfeed disabled on just one of the ports. When I disable it on the other one, it works, no matter what the setting is on the first
L201[17:32:31] <packbart> might be a glitch in the matrix. it works on a test craft
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L226[20:32:23] <JVFoxy> huh...
L227[20:33:40] <JVFoxy> looking for a name for a flyby probe for mun. French: Survol. Googled the word and it comes up with planetary flyby from Wiki on the side bar
L228[20:56:51] <Eddi|zuHause> was there a question in there?
L229[20:58:41] <JVFoxy> Eddi|zuHause no question.. more just a curious note. Looking up a french word on google, first thing that ended up coming across was space related.
L230[21:00:40] <Eddi|zuHause> so... firefox is telling me "parts of this website are not secure" [as in http vs https], but i can't get it to tell me which parts...
L231[21:00:59] <Azander> if you go to the media tab
L232[21:01:27] <Eddi|zuHause> where is that?
L233[21:02:39] <Azander> Click the info circle on the URL line, click the right arrow on the secure section, click "mor einfo" at the mottom
L234[21:02:58] <Azander> then there are 4 icons, one of which is media
L235[21:03:08] <Azander> * "more info" at the bottom
L236[21:03:21] <Eddi|zuHause> ok... that is a bit convoluted...
L237[21:03:28] <Eddi|zuHause> but all listed items there are https
L238[21:03:29] <Azander> yeah :(
L239[21:04:32] <Azander> then you need to view source and search for http:
L240[21:04:42] <JVFoxy> when they started hiding the 'alt+tab' menu up top, that threw me for a while..
L241[21:06:25] <Azander> probably a css or javascript library that is being loaded as http instead of https
L242[21:06:57] <Eddi|zuHause> can't find anything useful
L243[21:07:06] <umaxtu_mobile> Azander, or go through the f12 menu
L244[21:07:52] <Azander> that too, but macs' dont work with F12 that way
L245[21:08:18] <Azander> So I wnet the long way without knowing his OS
L246[21:09:56] <Eddi|zuHause> "Loading mixed (insecure) display content “http://www.gstatic.com/youtube/img/creator/merch/labs_header_cropped.png��� on a secure page subscriptions"
L247[21:10:09] <Eddi|zuHause> the F12 thing helped
L248[21:10:20] <JVFoxy> so an image...
L249[21:13:04] <Eddi|zuHause> i've never seen that image, must be one blocked by ublock anyway
L250[21:13:16] <Azander> I do not understand the push for everything being 'secure'.
L251[21:13:56] <Azander> for many things, it just adds more load to the server for little to no benefit
L252[21:14:53] <Eddi|zuHause> you also leave your front door open because it creates more effort opening it every time you want to go through?
L253[21:16:38] <umaxtu_mobile> actually, https can be faster given that some browsers use http/2 only for secure connections iirc
L254[21:18:24] <umaxtu_mobile> trying to find something that backs me up on that
L255[21:20:47] <Eddi|zuHause> in an unrelated note: i wanted to message my friends that age of wonders III is free, but they all have it already
L256[21:21:09] <umaxtu_mobile> lol
L257[21:31:13] <umaxtu_mobile> https://www.tunetheweb.com/blog/http-versus-https-versus-http2/
L258[21:36:46] <JVFoxy> eh.. world where everyone wants to encrypt /everything/... next thing you know, we'll be using 256bit hash encrytping on notes to person sitting next to you
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L260[21:41:08] <JVFoxy> or you get countries that'll ban programs that use encyrption, or demade the companies that use them, hand over the keys..
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L264[21:55:35] <Eddi|zuHause> you're talking like that isn't already what's happening?
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L270[22:10:29] <JVFoxy> happened or not, people will still end up doing what they want regardless
L271[22:11:25] <JVFoxy> I'm just sad that a lot of whats happening puts rifts between societies, individual peoples.
L272[22:13:48] <JVFoxy> granted, not asking for a perfect world... just, sometimes things get taken too far.
L273[22:15:33] <Eddi|zuHause> no idea how that applies here
L274[22:18:25] <JVFoxy> sorry went off on a tangent or something... the engryption thing. I've come across a few things myself in the past. Some people have pretty strong opinions
L275[22:23:10] <JVFoxy> that case, ksp related then just was mulling over: LKO parking orbit prior to transfer to Mun. I recall someone saying not to park too high or you end up with delta-v losses or.. does it really matter?
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L277[22:25:39] <Eddi|zuHause> the oberth effect says that your delta-v packs more punch the lower you are
L278[22:26:16] <Eddi|zuHause> so burn at PE if possible
L279[22:27:08] <JVFoxy> circular vs eliptical...
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