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L2[00:03:00] <Eddi|zuHause> ... could that
please also work for fuel transfers?
L3[00:03:41] <Eddi|zuHause> because it's
currently impossible to transfer LF and OX in the right ratio
L4[00:03:57] <Kraken> tfw kopernicus just
stopped working out of nowhere
L5[00:03:59] <Eddi|zuHause> unless you have
a tank of the right size
L6[00:06:20] <umaxtu_mobile> there was a mod
that would do that. was it TAC fuel balancer?
L7[00:06:45] <Althego> hehe yes transfers
are like that bottle puzzle in the
L8[00:06:57] <Althego> in one of the die
hard films
L9[00:07:18] <Eddi|zuHause> ... sure, if
that's the only place where you've ever seen that puzzle
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L11[00:08:04] <Althego> that was the
shortest description i could come up with
L12[00:08:35] <Eddi|zuHause> to me,
"that bottle puzzle" was a perfectly specific description
:p
L13[00:09:06] <Althego> so sometime when i
mess up if i can find an intermediate tank i can fix the
transfer
L14[00:09:57] <Eddi|zuHause> but sometimes
you only have the 64 tank and maybe a tiny one that would take 20
steps to get in the right ballpark
L15[00:11:45] <Althego> also reminds me of
atomix, bcause you cant reallystop the transfer midway
L16[00:12:59] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah
L17[00:13:21] <Eddi|zuHause> well, you can,
but it'll always be mismatched
L18[00:14:54] <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i have
used TAC fuel balancer in the past, but i don't remember it having
a transfer amount. just an easier way of selecting which tanks to
use
L19[00:16:45] <Eddi|zuHause> gah, steam
erased my basket before i checked it out...
L20[00:19:33] <umaxtu_mobile> whatcha
getting?
L21[00:19:52] <Eddi|zuHause> well, nothing
anymore, apparently :p
L22[00:20:26] <umaxtu_mobile> lol
L23[00:20:50] <Eddi|zuHause> i was
gathering a few things throughout the sale, which at the end i
probably would have not got everything
L24[00:21:19] <umaxtu_mobile> ah
L25[00:21:23] <Eddi|zuHause> but there's no
way i gonna collect everything again
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L27[00:22:06] <umaxtu_mobile> your bank
account is breathing a sigh of relief then
L28[00:24:53] <Althego> hehe
L29[00:25:09] <Althego> my bank account is
fat, but i cant come up with ways to spend it
L30[00:26:07] <umaxtu_mobile> you could
send me some money
L31[00:26:23] <Althego> correction,
meaningfully spend it
L32[00:26:30] <umaxtu_mobile> lol
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L39[00:54:26] <Kraken> yo i'm getting a
really weird but with kerbalism, everything is breaking down
immediately upon launch
L40[00:54:55] <Althego> must be your
presence :)
L41[00:55:06] <Kraken> aside from
that
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L43[00:55:45] <Kraken> i dunno what the
deal with it is
L44[00:57:03] <JVFoxy> oop.. meant to look
into kerbalisim myself. More so that I can set it so not using
lifesupport O2 while flying low of kerbin or on surface
L45[00:58:11] <Kraken> also jeb is making
every mistake possible and going mad
L46[00:58:15] <Kraken> within 5 secs of
launching
L47[00:58:29] <Althego> when is jeb not
mad?
L48[01:01:21] <JVFoxy> ok what you been
feeding Jeb?
L49[01:01:46] <JVFoxy> mind you, he is a
bit of a seat hog when it comes to things
L52[01:09:18] <Rolf> if theres enough
boosters, theres not enough boosters.
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L57[01:31:36] <Althego> hehe ms social
media is talking about windows 1.0, and monday
L58[01:31:49] <Althego> maybe they are
ready to move on from windows 10?
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L61[01:40:36] <Eddi|zuHause> well, next
year would be a great time to jump to windows 20 :p
L62[01:40:44] <Althego> hehe
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L93[08:17:08] *
packbart increases AverageAvailableContracts - many contracts in
progress and nothing to do in the meantime
L94[08:20:28] <Althego> collect more
science
L95[08:23:19] <UmbralRaptor> construct
additional pylons
L96[08:23:24] <Althego> hehe
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L102[08:41:50] <sandbox> yikes,
scott
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L104[09:23:56] <JVFoxy> Hmm... pratical to
have a 180 degree wrap around projection screen for KSP? Or that
really more of a true flight sim thing?
L105[09:25:37] <Althego> that is never
practical
L106[09:26:18] <Althego> if you have to
have multiple projectors on the same canvas, then you have to have
some overlap and there brightness differs, correction for that,
also correction for other distortions
L107[09:26:52] <Althego> it becomes a huge
mess of transformations you have to calibrate
L108[09:30:05] <JVFoxy> guy's videos I saw
this morning, built a whole A10 cockpit, set the screen up with two
projectors. Ya, there's software to align the screens..
L109[09:31:28] <JVFoxy> the seams lined up
pretty good, trouble was though, sometimes the roof where the
projector's hang from, would shift slightly. Causing one projector
to drop a few mm, so has to calibrate. Though program sets up a
grid that lets him fix it each time
L110[09:32:32] <Rokker> A-10 ping
L111[09:33:27] <JVFoxy> I normally play
FPS in flight sims.. its with KSP I'm usually 3rd, partly because
most cockpits aren't very good views out, and don't have all the
info I need. Ya, I know there is raster props. I may drop that in
when I do an actual gameplay thing
L112[09:36:09] <JVFoxy> Rokker: A-10 is
pretty cool, don't mind it myself. Don't really consider it my
'primary focus', if I were to do a full on at home cockpit
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L119[11:22:22] <JVFoxy> reading over
kerbalisim after someone suggested it. I had installed a life
support mod, but noticed it acts like I'm in space even though my
kerbal is on Kerbin's surface
L120[11:23:22] <JVFoxy> helmet off,
standing on surface, yet kerbal using up O2 from the tank. I
noticed flying in planes does this too
L121[11:23:33] <Althego> hehe
L122[11:23:44] <JVFoxy> just not sure how
to adjust things
L123[11:24:36] <JVFoxy> I wanna build a
polar station, but I don't think I have to drag tons of O2 out
there jsut so they can breath from a bottle.
L124[11:24:53] <Althego> the forever in
the future polar station
L125[11:25:49] <JVFoxy> forever in the
future? Meaning its mostly been talk, no actually doing it yet?
Or?
L126[11:26:05] <Althego> yes, always just
atalking about it
L127[11:26:38] <Althego> and buster is
still not out
L128[11:28:38] <JVFoxy> I built a few
modules, flown them out there, put them together.
L130[11:37:31] <JVFoxy> mm.. kerbalisim
has airpumps..
L131[11:47:57] <packbart> TacLS is
supposed to open a window if on Kerbin. there are some other mods
that should not use Oxygen in Kerbin's atmosphere
L132[12:02:24] <JVFoxy> hmm..
L133[12:03:16] <JVFoxy> food and water as
constant requirements, I'm ok with those...
L134[12:03:48] <JVFoxy> checking for TacLS
window right now
L135[12:06:09] <packbart> "Oxygen is
not required on Kerbin below a reasonable altitude, which is
defined as atmospheric pressure greater than 0.5 atm (Mt. Everest
Base Camp, roughly 3.4 km on Kerbin) or 0.2+ atm if you have
Electric Charge (close to the maximum altitude most airliners fly,
roughly 8 km on Kerbin). Above that, the air is too thin" - it
says.
L137[12:06:26] <packbart> my Kerbals don't
linger on Kerbin long enough to nice ;)
L138[12:07:45] <darsie> So flying at 20 km
requires oxygen.
L139[12:09:17] <packbart> apparently.
TacLS comes with a converter that creates Oxygen from
IntakeAir
L140[12:09:54] <JVFoxy> ya.. converter for
when you on planets with pressure mostly I htink
L141[12:10:15] <JVFoxy> I might have an
older version of TacLS, thanks CKAN..
L142[12:10:18] <packbart> it works only on
Kerbin and Laythe (in the stock system)
L143[12:10:48] <JVFoxy> just did a quick
test, timers don't start ticking down on everything till you either
launch or start rolling along the runway. I couldn't find anything
else
L144[12:11:11] <darsie> if you have launch
stability enhancers, I geuss.
L145[12:11:32] <packbart> yeah, I think
3m/s is the threshold from prelaunch to launched
L146[12:11:34] <darsie> Except oxygen,
IIRC.
L147[12:13:51] <JVFoxy> trying to see what
the current version TacLS is..
L148[12:13:53] <darsie> I understand why
they made the Lukla runway slanted, but not the KSC runway.
L149[12:14:16] <Althego> slanted?
L150[12:14:23] <packbart> the runway isn't
slanted, the planet is ;)
L151[12:14:27] <Althego> yes
L152[12:14:37] <darsie> Airplanes roll
back on KSC runway.
L153[12:14:38] <Althego> the runway is
perfectly straight, so it is not following the curve of the
planet
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L155[12:14:58] <Althego> they roll
forward
L156[12:14:59] <ChadderVox> Hey fellow
Nauts! :)
L158[12:15:23] <ChadderVox> is there
anyway for me to sign up for beta for 1.7.3?
L159[12:15:42] <JVFoxy> 0.13.12 currently
installed, latest is 0.13.13....
L160[12:16:27] <darsie> They roll
west.
L161[12:16:35] <Althego> not in my
experience
L162[12:16:36] <packbart> up until the
middle?
L163[12:16:43] <UmbralRaptor> Betas have
been rather restricted since like 0.14?
L164[12:16:50] <packbart> I'd expect them
to roll from the ends to the mid
L165[12:17:07] <darsie> packbart: Because
of gravity?
L166[12:17:19] <darsie> Like, straight
runway on curved planet?
L167[12:17:34] <Althego> which should make
thecenter the lowest point
L168[12:17:48] <packbart> yes
L169[12:17:53] <darsie> A flat planet
would be fun. :)
L170[12:18:26] <ChadderVox> Oh :/ . I am
soo ready to use the updates to the KAL!!
L171[12:18:27] <Althego> i still want a
possibility to start from the opposite side of the runway
L172[12:18:47] *
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is
L173[12:18:55] <UmbralRaptor> Althego:
yes, please
L174[12:19:09] <JVFoxy> umm... test shows
plane still uses O2 on ground
L175[12:19:15] <Althego> several benefits:
you can get to the shores easier
L176[12:19:25] <JVFoxy> wondering if a
patch messed with things?
L177[12:19:26] <Althego> also take off to
towards the west without making a turn
L178[12:19:57] <darsie> Are there mods
providing weather?
L179[12:20:09] <Althego> there are at
least clouds
L180[12:20:41] <JVFoxy> packbart am I
missing something?
L181[12:22:34] <packbart> not sure. I
haven't really tested TacLS on Kerbin yet. hmm
L182[12:23:57] <JVFoxy> parked plane on
runway, after I got it out of pre-launch state. Seems to still use
all the resources at same rate. I was noticing kerbals when EVA on
surface was also using O2 despite no helmet on
L183[12:48:54] <JVFoxy> ok.. installing
0.13.13, it complains on load up... but still didn't fix the
concern I had.
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L186[12:58:15] <JVFoxy> ... ok
interesting, may have found something
L187[13:00:48] <JVFoxy> oh.... so.. its
not automatic
L188[13:01:00] <JVFoxy> windows open if
you out of o2 and low enough
L189[13:01:33] <JVFoxy> 0.5, jsut windows,
0.2 need ec.. beyond that, O2 has to be supplied
L190[13:01:50] <packbart> ah, I see. the
Wiki text is a bit vague on that then
L191[13:02:25] <JVFoxy> I brought out my
craft, no o2 on board. soon as it left pre-launch, said in red
text, out of o2, windows opened
L192[13:02:38] <Althego> and buster is
still not out
L193[13:07:47] <JVFoxy> up to 3.4km .. ok
with just windows, then up to 8km, need EC for compressor, then
beyond that they start o2 starving
L194[13:08:37] <JVFoxy> a little
misleading when your kerbal is out on the runway, no helmet, o2
turned off, but now got red icon from TAC LS, but says your ok,
windows are open :P
L195[13:13:19] <JVFoxy> anyways, sorries.
Now that little concern is out of the way... and ya, it is a little
misleading about the feature..
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L199[14:40:58] <Eddi|zuHause> ... so it
uses up your O2 even if you don't need it, and only afterwards it
checks whether you need it?
L200[14:48:07] <JVFoxy> more a case that
it isn't automatic, turns internal O2 off, have to do it
manually
L201[14:49:39] <JVFoxy> when you manually
turn it off, then it checks to see if its safe still.
L202[15:00:21] <Eddi|zuHause> well, as far
as the game is concerned, turning off and running out is probably
the same thing
L203[15:05:18] <JVFoxy> an in-between
indicator would be helpful... turn icon yellow instead of just
red.. but I guess asking too much
L204[15:06:04] <JVFoxy> for now.. at least
I know what to watch out for... got a rocket plane of sorts ready
to hit two waypoints 18.5 and 16.5km up..
L205[15:07:01] <JVFoxy> forgot who it was,
but kerbalisim was mentioned in talks about the issue earlier. I
ended up looking into it some, quite a few things in there I
wouldn't mind adding. Not everything...
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L207[15:27:44] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not
really into the idea of "there's this tiny bug in program
X" "use program Y instead, which is completely different
but also not bugfree by far"
L208[15:28:17] <X> I am bug free.
L209[15:28:48] <X> I am also superior to
Y.
L210[15:28:50] <Eddi|zuHause> do you have
a document for that?
L211[15:29:43] <X> If you really want that
report, sure but I need yours too before we engage in that sort of
relations.
L212[15:30:57] <Eddi|zuHause> well, unless
you're handing out proof for your statements you're no better than
a certain orange guy who gives out red hats
L213[15:33:39] <lordcirth_> JVFoxy, that
was me. Kerbalism is awesome.
L214[15:39:15] <UmbralRaptor> If I rub a
cat on X, does that count as fuzzing?
L215[15:40:33] <X> If you run a cat on me,
it counts as animal cruelty? Or at least the reduction of cat
agency..... something along these lines.
L216[15:42:52] <JVFoxy> 'run a cat on
me'.... so like a treadmill or did I miss the point?
L217[15:43:04] <lordcirth_> rub*
L218[15:43:14] <JVFoxy> oh... whoops
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L220[15:44:37] <JVFoxy> lordcirth_ I'm
trying to ease myself into a few mods, nothing too drastic. Didn't
want to diverge too much from stock game.
L221[15:46:19] <JVFoxy> figured
lifesupport was just a small part, but would add a little
flavour/challenge to things.. reason to go out and 'restock'
stations at least.
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L223[15:48:49] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm still
thinking that Snacks! does that job pretty well, and the more
complicated life support stuff is just over the top
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L226[15:54:02] <lordcirth_> If all you
want is a reason to restock stations, sure, Snacks is probably
sufficient
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L228[15:54:35] <lordcirth_> But my main
complaint with stock in general is that once you've done a Mun
landing, there are very few challenges left. A Duna landing is just
Mun landing with more boosters.
L229[15:55:00] <lordcirth_> Having stress,
radiation, oxygen, water, food, etc makes planning a Duna mission
very involved.
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L236[16:18:17] <JVFoxy> I've done a couple
of mun/minmus missions in previous versions. My trouble is, I get
around to making some pretty nice crafts, want to record it, but
then, either I just not get around to it quickly, or a new ksp
version comes out.
L237[16:19:26] <JVFoxy> and then there are
the add-ons. And my half thinking if I were to record, who'd wanna
watch just a stock game any more?
L238[16:25:56] <JVFoxy> anyways.. gotta
run
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L246[18:22:06] <X> Jvfoxy, yeah I am on
mobile. Lots of errors because I used a phone with a physical
keyboard until 2016.
L247[18:32:37] <Eddi|zuHause>
"<lordcirth_> Having stress" <-- you mean like
"need a habitat module with enough space"?
L248[18:32:51] <lordcirth_> Eddi|zuHause,
there are other factors, but yes
L249[18:33:37] <lordcirth_> m^3 per
Kerbal, times a bunch of multipliers for things like antenna
connection home, gravity, a cupola for a view, etc
L250[18:38:41] *
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L262[19:43:10] <lordcirth_> Btw, Furi is
on sale on Steam, it's great
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L268[20:35:36] <Eddi|zuHause> who?
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L271[20:36:27] <Eddi|zuHause> Fury was a
TV series that was already old when my parents were kids
L272[20:38:03] <Eddi|zuHause> "is
this game relevant to you?" "[X] contains filtered
tags"
L273[20:39:05] * X
requires filters for most people
L274[20:39:53] <Eddi|zuHause> that must be
at least the 3rd time you responded to a random highlight from me
in here
L275[20:43:50] <Eddi|zuHause> (it always
puzzles me that you're even allowed to have 1-letter-nicks in
here)
L276[20:44:29] *
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L277[20:44:40] <UmbralRaptop> IRC is
silly
L278[20:44:59] *
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L279[20:45:10] * X
used to be z
L280[20:45:17] <Eddi|zuHause> Q must be a
gold mine :p
L281[20:45:49] * X
thinks that Q is not registerable
L282[20:46:14] * X
ponders if registerable is not a random word.
L283[20:46:14] <Eddi|zuHause> but i want
to imitate an all-powerful being from star trek lore!
L284[20:47:43] * X
intimates that Q is the name of the services on
quakenet
L285[20:52:12] <Eddi|zuHause> no way
:p
L286[20:57:40] <UmbralRaptop> There's a
nonzero chance that you could get some passwords
L288[20:58:55] <kmath> YouTube - Warframe
| Become the First Real Space Ninja
L289[20:59:05] <nate> Generally anything
services related tends to be protected from actual user use
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