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L1[00:05:31] <Althego> hopped to all minmus biomes, still have 1950 m/s delta v remaining
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L4[00:22:56] <Wastl2> How much Δv did you start with?
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L9[01:17:53] <Althego> cant remember
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L11[02:20:24] <Althego> day 9, reached the gravioli detector
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L17[02:57:06] <Althego> i wish wheels wouldnt generate energy
L18[02:57:24] <jvfoxy> wouldn't? mod?
L19[02:57:43] <Althego> no, stock wheels are jumping a bit
L20[02:57:58] <jvfoxy> mm ok?
L21[02:58:12] <jvfoxy> which ones are jumping on you?
L22[02:58:22] <Althego> airplane wheels
L23[02:59:07] <Gasher_> heh
L24[02:59:09] <jvfoxy> let me guess, the non retracting ones or the single tired?
L25[02:59:18] <Gasher_> generating mechanical energy?
L26[02:59:39] <jvfoxy> ya, had me thinking as in power at first
L27[02:59:55] <Gasher_> same
L28[03:00:41] <jvfoxy> well... more EC than causing the plane to hop about the runway
L29[03:01:25] <Althego> both are
L30[03:01:45] <jvfoxy> springs are probably getting compressed too much. They bottom out, I think is a slight 'glitch' where they push back for some reason. tends to make nose wheels pitch the plane up right on landing in previous vrious
L31[03:01:49] <jvfoxy> *versions
L32[03:02:42] <Gasher_> can't you increase the damping
L33[03:02:49] <Althego> probably
L34[03:02:59] <Althego> but they didnt behave this before 1.7
L35[03:03:17] <Gasher_> em, they did?
L36[03:03:26] <Gasher_> at least in 1.3 i have that
L37[03:03:36] <jvfoxy> could be worse.. wheels could simply explode no matter how slow you tried to land
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L40[03:07:49] <Althego> hehe
L41[03:07:57] <Althego> avtually even the most basic ones are usable now
L42[03:08:13] <Althego> there were wersions when you literally couldnt land on them
L43[03:11:38] <jvfoxy> ya I know... made it rather unplayable. I only managed to land with them on the rare occasion.
L44[03:12:23] <jvfoxy> sometimes I wondered if teh wheels were getting 'snagged' on teh ground and just ripping off, springs too light
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L46[04:15:41] <Eddi|zuHause> man i really hate this channel...
L47[04:17:18] <Eddi|zuHause> i can't say a single line anymore without the thought in my head that i get immediately banned...
L48[04:17:44] <Eddi|zuHause> ... after getting banned for a rule i didn't even break...
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L53[04:44:19] <darsie> Eddi|zuHause: You got banned?
L54[04:44:43] <Eddi|zuHause> i got muted, which is really the same thing
L55[04:45:35] <darsie> Yeah, you just have to be a little mindful of what you say.
L56[04:46:34] <Eddi|zuHause> but... i'm still insisting i didn't say anything wrong...
L57[04:46:49] <Eddi|zuHause> and that's where the problem is.
L58[04:46:52] <darsie> mhm
L59[04:47:23] <darsie> I got permanently banned from a channel for such a thing.
L60[04:47:43] <darsie> Not letting go of a mute I found unfair.
L61[04:55:14] <nate> Thing is though a channel is a home, they can kick you out if they think you so much as smell funny in real life
L62[04:55:14] <nate> :P
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L65[04:55:35] <jvfoxy> ugh net hardware being a pain again
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L68[05:07:10] <darsie> These rules may be changed at any time and it is each member's responsibility to keep up to date.
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L70[05:10:00] <darsie> Is there a mailing list informing me about any changes, so I don't have to read everything over before each post?
L71[05:10:02] <Althego> Eddi|zuHause: what did you do?
L72[05:10:28] <Eddi|zuHause> i said what i always said.
L73[05:10:39] <Eddi|zuHause> that i have no spare brain power to search for "bad words"
L74[05:11:26] <Eddi|zuHause> and saying that is apparently now worse than saying an actual bad word.
L75[05:11:31] <Althego> once a month or so i too say something that is not appropriate here
L76[05:11:33] <darsie> Alternatively I could poll the rules once a minute automatically and send myself a notification if anything changes, to perform my responsibilities more efficiently.
L77[05:12:04] <Althego> you could set the client up to replace some words with something else
L78[05:12:12] <Eddi|zuHause> Althego: yes. but again, i did not say a bad word.
L79[05:12:14] <Althego> i use it for some common typos
L80[05:12:35] <Althego> now that is strange
L81[05:12:40] <Althego> thought police?
L82[05:13:46] <jvfoxy> not what you say.. more about how you say.. huh?
L83[05:13:54] <Eddi|zuHause> thought police is never a good idea
L84[05:15:12] <jvfoxy> ya.. not exactly psychic, but also would be invading even the most private of spaces
L85[05:16:16] <jvfoxy> its already pushing things a bit far if you can't feel safe in your own room...
L86[05:16:26] <Eddi|zuHause> jvfoxy: don't worry, police will get access to alexa/siri/whatever recordings soon
L87[05:16:27] <Althego> hehe safe space
L88[05:21:42] <jvfoxy> I don't have one, too much tech as it is anyways.
L89[05:21:58] <jvfoxy> Eddi|zuHause always figuring the worse in the world huh?
L90[05:24:15] <jvfoxy> i'd been with my foster from when I was 11, I never had any run ins with police. Yet, because of where my B-day fell, I couldn't move out till after I was done schooling. The goverment wanted to do a criminal record check in order for me to stay with them past my 19th
L91[05:24:16] <Eddi|zuHause> oh, there are certainly even worse things
L92[05:24:46] <jvfoxy> lady at police station: Well... records check clean. Just means we haven't caught you.. yet....
L93[05:25:58] <jvfoxy> my biggest issue when I moved out? Being self distructive, depression. :\
L94[05:29:36] <darsie> How can I exercise my responsibility to keep up to date on the rules? Is http://archive.is/5bp8u going to reflect them?
L95[05:29:57] <darsie> s/them/any changes
L96[05:30:49] <darsie> Is saying 's/them/any changes' a violation of rule 2.3.2?
L97[05:32:03] <Eddi|zuHause> yes, you're not allowed to use any kind of jargon. is surely what that rule means.
L98[05:33:45] <jvfoxy> ehhh.....
L99[05:33:46] <Rolf> any jargon of curse words or?
L100[05:33:52] <darsie> I never heard about txt-speak. Is that like 'cu', 'IIRC', 'ru mad', ...?
L101[05:34:06] <jvfoxy> oh as in leet talk?
L102[05:34:23] <Eddi|zuHause> it's an old thing where you type SMS by leaving out most of the letters
L103[05:34:27] <jvfoxy> ya...
L104[05:34:50] <darsie> I see.
L105[05:34:51] <jvfoxy> I had to look up 'jargon', any words used specifically in a profession of some kind...
L106[05:35:21] <jvfoxy> although.. 'profession' in this sense sorta used rather loosely.
L107[05:35:24] <darsie> short message service
L108[05:35:25] <Rolf> so i could be banned by saying I used my mic to measure boss on part?
L109[05:35:41] <jvfoxy> Rolf no.. 'mic' is a proper word
L110[05:35:47] <Rolf> no its not
L111[05:35:56] <Rolf> full name is micrometer
L112[05:36:00] <jvfoxy> microphone
L113[05:36:23] <Eddi|zuHause> jvfoxy: a sentence can be jargon even if each individual word is proper
L114[05:36:23] <Rolf> no. micrometer. i know my stuff lol
L115[05:36:27] <jvfoxy> I was going to say, help with AV crew, they say 'mic', or 'mike' all the time
L116[05:37:33] <Rolf> i'd be very very wrong guy to work in av dealing with audio. lol
L117[05:37:44] <jvfoxy> I was going to say, doesn't KSP or anything space related use quite a number of words, Ex: Periapsis, that would be considered jargon too?
L118[05:37:55] <Rolf> it is
L119[05:38:03] <Eddi|zuHause> definitely
L120[05:38:04] <Rolf> so everyone here is very bannable
L121[05:38:51] <jvfoxy> then again, am taking things pretty litteral here.
L122[05:39:39] <Rolf> https://futurism.com/the-byte/mice-in-microgravity-propel-themselves oooh
L123[05:39:49] <darsie> I don't see jargon forbidden. Considering it exclusionary forms of speech is a bit of a stretch.
L124[05:39:52] <jvfoxy> oddly enough, I'm not even suppose to be this awake such a time, 0340PST...
L125[05:40:15] <darsie> like, periapsis. That's proper spelling.
L126[05:40:44] <Eddi|zuHause> darsie: but it gets grey pretty quickly once you start abbreviating things
L127[05:42:13] <Eddi|zuHause> darsie: i have sat here a bunch of times when people said rocketry things thinking "wtf was that person just saying?"
L128[05:43:18] <jvfoxy> I've mentioned some stuff, plain english, very understandable. Yet end up with a blank stare.
L129[05:43:37] <darsie> 'wtf' violates rule 2.2.7 and possibly 2.2.3.
L130[05:44:10] <Eddi|zuHause> sure.
L131[05:45:40] <Eddi|zuHause> 2.2.3 is kind of an extreme stretch...
L132[05:46:44] <jvfoxy> I kind of figured this place was family friendly to begin with
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L136[05:51:37] <jvfoxy> Rolf heh.. floaty mice in space. I wanted to get a few mice myself but hadn't really considered how they'd fair in micro-g before
L137[05:52:00] <Rolf> rats is pretty good pets
L138[05:52:04] <Rolf> we had em for few years
L139[05:52:35] <Rolf> problem is their inoconent problem lol
L140[05:52:42] <Rolf> cant hold worth it
L141[05:54:36] <jvfoxy> got a pair of females myself, adopted from cousin. Originally was for kids, but gave up on them. Felt bad if they didn't get proper attention
L142[05:58:41] <jvfoxy> mice 'race tracking' makes me think of videos from Skylab
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L147[07:14:57] <jvfoxy> hmm... anyone with interests in Plut-Charon system? Watching one of these Issac videos on youtube. Orbit center around the two bodies is outside Pluto, got me wondering: how much would that affect surface grabity
L148[07:15:01] <jvfoxy> *gravity
L149[07:15:15] <jvfoxy> ..... I suppose gravity can grab and hold ya down too in a way
L150[07:18:10] <Gasher[work]> i think it's called barycenter
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L152[07:30:27] <jvfoxy> ya.. sorry, word slipped me
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L165[09:38:26] <Eddi|zuHause> "how much would that affect surface grabity" <-- just like normal tidal forces, i presume... nothing crazy
L166[09:41:40] <jvfoxy> Eddi|zuHause ... ya only two bodies are pretty much locked to each other.
L167[09:41:43] <Althego> ah the space mice. these were the ones that delayed the spacex launch because their food was found to be moldy
L168[09:42:07] <Eddi|zuHause> jvfoxy: are they actually tidally locked?
L169[09:42:12] <jvfoxy> Altehgo Oh.. that recent.. ok didn't know that
L170[09:42:24] <Althego> collected the max science building biomes, it is so much
L171[09:42:47] <jvfoxy> Eddi|zuHause far as I know.. they are just locked in position with each other...
L172[09:42:58] <Eddi|zuHause> Althego: i had some trouble finding all the spots in the science center
L173[09:43:20] <Althego> maybe i didnt find all
L174[09:43:42] <Eddi|zuHause> Althego: well, i had [X] Science! listing them all, but that doesn't tell you where they are
L175[09:43:51] <Althego> hehe
L176[09:44:08] <Althego> there are somewhat obvious by the names
L177[09:44:30] <jvfoxy> Althego guessing you fully upgraded everything in the center?
L178[09:44:32] <Eddi|zuHause> i had to go around it like 3 times
L179[09:45:06] <Althego> basically each block of building, plus 2 things which dont seem to be anything at all, tanks and a small lab
L180[09:45:51] <jvfoxy> think some of them you have to make contact with the building before it would register
L181[09:49:45] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, you have to get in weird spots sometimes
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L184[09:52:28] <Althego> i touched the buildings
L185[09:52:40] <Althego> originally i thought you need to land on them
L186[09:52:45] <Althego> but that is hard
L187[09:52:56] <jvfoxy> I usually drive up, jam a wheel against the side.
L188[09:53:12] <jvfoxy> mind you, I've not done fully upgraded stuff yet
L189[09:53:25] <Althego> i use the jet powered tricycle science car
L190[09:53:35] <Althego> you can get that faster than powered wheels
L191[09:53:40] <Althego> and it works later on too
L192[09:53:45] <Althego> so i never changed it
L193[09:54:18] <jvfoxy> jet science car... lol ya...
L194[09:54:20] <Eddi|zuHause> i was testing my rover design
L195[09:54:37] <Eddi|zuHause> i think i had a screenshot somewhere
L196[09:54:41] <Althego> it can move without the jets too, by wiggling left and right
L197[09:59:33] <jvfoxy> gyro
L198[09:59:49] <jvfoxy> find my jet cars, in order to backup, have to wiggle with gyro
L199[10:00:58] * UmbralRaptop pours tzatziki sauce on gyros
L200[10:04:47] <jvfoxy> at last it wasn't... jam
L201[10:05:54] <Althego> heh i took a contract to put 18 kerbals into orbit around the moon. with the touorists i have 17
L202[10:06:05] <Althego> bob is still around minmus
L203[10:06:15] <Althego> and one is waiting rescue from the surface of the mun
L204[10:06:39] <Althego> so i have to wait for that to come back. unfortunately in the southern polar region
L205[10:06:59] <Althego> but the mun is almost rotated under the orbit, after days of waiting
L206[10:07:22] <Althego> and i have the nuke now
L207[10:07:50] <jvfoxy> wait.. 18 kerbals in general from roster or tourists?
L208[10:08:21] <Eddi|zuHause> could always hire more?
L209[10:08:23] <Althego> station contracts
L210[10:08:26] <Althego> need 18 kerbals
L211[10:08:37] <Althego> yes but the hire is expensive, i collect them
L212[10:08:47] <Althego> the game doesnt care if they are tourist or not
L213[10:08:54] <Eddi|zuHause> it's slightly annoying that the hiring cost also goes up when you do rescue missions
L214[10:08:58] <Althego> i need to take 4 to the mun anyway
L215[10:09:09] <Althego> i never hired any kerbal
L216[10:09:16] <Althego> in fact after a while there are too many
L217[10:09:44] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i've ever had 18 kerbals
L218[10:10:29] <Eddi|zuHause> so, if you miss one kerbal, and you've a rescue mssion open, you could just combine both?
L219[10:10:32] * packbart hires Kerbals via F12 if needed *cheat* ;)
L220[10:11:04] <Althego> the rescue mission takes miore than a day probably
L221[10:11:11] <Althego> hohman back to kerbin
L222[10:11:19] <Althego> and 37 minutes until the node to land
L223[10:11:28] <Althego> even that is going to need a bit of a plane change
L224[10:11:53] <Althego> and i want to collect two biomes at least, one whatever carater and one plar region
L225[10:11:59] <Althego> i just need to do a tiny hop
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L227[10:12:23] <Althego> but then i still need to do something about the polar orbit, not sure how i come back
L228[10:13:02] <Althego> so in the 37 minutes i wanted to launch a longer mission, that would have been the munar station with the tourist lander
L229[10:13:09] <Althego> has to wait a little bit
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L232[10:13:43] <Althego> but i have enough money to launch a duna explorer on day 9, the fastest i could do before was day 10
L233[10:14:25] <Althego> that is just too funny, requires like 8000 dv and injects perpendicular to the orbit direction, it is so out of window
L234[10:14:45] <jvfoxy> my guess for cost going up each new kerbal... housing or something. harder to keep more kerbals around. though, I never checked, does price drop when you fire/loose kerbals?
L235[10:18:35] <Althego> probably, i doubt it was programemd with a state. but i never tried it either
L236[10:19:31] <sandbox> Nasa is to allow tourists to visit the International Space Station from 2020.
L237[10:19:47] <Althego> there were some there already
L238[10:20:18] <Althego> just with the soyuz being the only manned craft doing the visits, there were not enough seats
L239[10:20:59] <Eddi|zuHause> that carries like what, 3 people?
L240[10:21:05] <Althego> yes
L241[10:22:38] <Eddi|zuHause> how many companies are offering crew launch modules now?
L242[10:23:09] <Althego> only the russians are operational. but there is boeing and spacex
L243[10:23:22] <Althego> but spacex is currently delayed
L244[10:23:39] <Althego> and boeing first flight is some time this year
L245[10:25:04] <jvfoxy> visitors to the station.... wasn't it like the first one who went up, payed so many millions. then each new one that went up, price jumped stupidly high each time?
L246[10:25:59] <Althego> hehe
L247[10:26:12] <Althego> were they like 2? 1 went 2x
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L249[10:27:48] <jvfoxy> checking...
L250[10:27:58] <Althego> wiki syas... counting
L251[10:28:11] <Althego> 6
L252[10:29:02] <Althego> but the price is not mnetioned
L253[10:29:45] <jvfoxy> 6 american.. 1 canadian.. ok now I'm wondering who the Canadian was
L254[10:30:06] <Althego> then i didnt count correctly
L255[10:30:38] <flayer> i am the lord of the very last dance
L256[10:30:53] <Althego> and i am the lord of the laufring
L257[10:32:33] <Althego> looks like ksp physics https://www.facebook.com/Newsflare/videos/328902074458234/
L258[10:35:50] <jvfoxy> oh.. A poker player went up to play tourist on the ISS from Canada... huh
L259[10:35:54] <jvfoxy> talk about gambling with life
L260[10:36:12] <Althego> hehe
L261[10:36:21] <Althego> he gambled his way up to space
L262[10:36:23] <Althego> kiind of cool
L263[10:37:02] <jvfoxy> passing through google search, one thing says its 55mil to visit station.. ouch
L264[10:37:28] <Althego> should have won a falcon 9 in a game of sabacc, that woud have been better :)
L265[10:37:32] <packbart> Schrödinger's Ground Science. The cluster I set up next to the runway keeps flopping about when unobserved
L266[10:37:43] <Althego> lol
L267[10:38:06] <packbart> when Bill walks out the SPH to check it, it is in its usual place and working
L268[10:38:35] <Althego> a heisenbug
L269[10:40:11] <Althego> i wonder, can i fulfill the station contract with command chairs?
L270[10:40:23] <Althego> if i can, then the whole ship can be qute small
L271[10:40:36] <jvfoxy> no thrills huh?
L272[10:41:07] <jvfoxy> watch you don't get smacked by 8km/s space bug
L273[10:46:18] <packbart> .oO( https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/kspb.jpg - not my idea, though ;)
L274[10:47:13] <jvfoxy> huh...
L275[10:47:32] <jvfoxy> docking port curious touch. I can dock without RCS but craft gotta be pretty nimble.
L276[10:49:00] <packbart> I managed to dock a craft and EVA everyone back into the pod. but yeah, every nudge changes the park bench's orbit
L277[10:53:46] <jvfoxy> lol.. cute name
L278[10:54:13] <jvfoxy> not have thought of park though... bench sure
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L280[10:56:15] <jvfoxy> went to look at what I've named recently so craft files now have meta files too huh?
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L282[11:04:55] <jvfoxy> Xmapa... Ukraine for cloud, mun station.
L283[11:05:14] <jvfoxy> was going to copy and past but seems got the ukranian font still stuck on there.
L284[11:05:37] <Eddi|zuHause> can't find the screenshot of my rover anywhere
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L290[11:33:55] <jUMPSu1t> I made my rocket too pwerful and I'm set up for Kerbin escape...all I wanted to do was go to orbit!ow do I lose enough velocity?
L291[11:34:39] <Althego> hehe
L292[11:34:52] <Althego> burning retrograde
L293[11:35:08] <Althego> otherwise just revert
L294[11:37:31] <jUMPSu1t> I burnt retrograde...still like that
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L296[11:38:15] <Althego> instructions unclear, exploded on the sun
L297[11:38:28] <jUMPSu1t> How do you use the EVA MMU? I think I can get Dufrey alone to orbit, but the problem of a rescue craft remains...I think I'll just revert.
L298[11:38:50] <Althego> for activating the eva pack, press r
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L300[11:39:11] <Althego> then wasd and shift-ctrl keys are usable
L301[11:39:53] <Althego> bit differently than for the rockets, shift-ctrl is the up down
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L303[11:46:33] <jUMPSu1t> Ok...launched another rocket, my stuff overheated and the fuel tank exploded
L304[11:46:58] <jUMPSu1t> Any advice for not having that happen again?
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L306[11:47:35] <Althego> by any chance, was an engine pointing at the tank?
L307[11:47:45] <jUMPSu1t> What? No
L308[11:47:59] <Althego> unless you accidentally activated the second stage on top of it
L309[11:48:03] <jUMPSu1t> I had jettisoned the firat atage by then...
L310[11:48:08] <jUMPSu1t> First stage
L311[11:48:25] <Althego> then you were going almost horizontal in relatively low altitude with high speed, flames around the rocket
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L313[11:48:48] <jUMPSu1t> yes, but I was almost out of the atmosphere
L314[11:49:03] <Althego> at that point there shouldnt be much heating, above 45 km or so
L315[11:49:17] <jUMPSu1t> my rocket has enough power for Kerbin escape, but I wanted to channel that into orbital energy
L316[11:49:26] <jUMPSu1t> So I pointed sidewayz
L317[11:49:48] <Althego> more orbital energy means higher apoapsis, ultimately escape. each orbit has its own energy, you cant put more into them
L318[11:50:10] <Althego> but yes, you have to point sideways
L319[11:50:25] <Althego> the sooner the better for lower gravity losses
L320[11:50:27] <Eddi|zuHause> try throttling down the engine at the right moment?
L321[11:50:31] <jUMPSu1t> Ok...an earlier model of this rocket had less fuel...is that the direction I need to go?
L322[11:50:32] <Althego> except for the pesky atmosphere
L323[11:51:10] <jUMPSu1t> And how do you preciesly throttle? I only know Z & X
L324[11:51:15] <Eddi|zuHause> to go to orbit, look at the map to see when your AP goes over 70km, then turn off the engine
L325[11:51:16] <Althego> shift and control
L326[11:51:30] <Althego> that is why i said the eva control are somewhat different
L327[11:51:39] <Eddi|zuHause> then turn it back on when you are at AP, to raise PE also above 70km
L328[11:51:43] <jUMPSu1t> Hold on...I'm gonna go make a car...random piece of debries and i'd like to go over there and see it
L329[11:51:46] <Althego> keep in mind solid rockets cant be throttled, just ion the editor
L330[11:52:05] <Althego> no burn marks or anything, except on heat shields
L331[11:52:11] <Althego> so not really interesting
L332[11:52:14] <Althego> just recover it
L333[11:52:21] <jUMPSu1t> Also, what's the difference between apoapsis, apocynthion, and aphelion?
L334[11:52:41] <Eddi|zuHause> -helio means relative to the sun
L335[11:52:48] <Althego> i dont know about the second one
L336[11:52:55] <Althego> apoapsis is the generic term
L337[11:52:57] <Eddi|zuHause> apoapsis is generic
L338[11:53:11] <Althego> but for different bodies there are different endings
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L341[11:53:32] <darsie> jUMPSu1t: Deviating from prograde may expose parts to air heating.
L342[11:53:37] <Althego> so there are for eath, moon, sun, etc but in my opinion it just makes it more complicated
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L344[11:54:25] <Althego> instead of us shooting in the dark, you can just make a screenshot with f1 and send us the link, so we can really come up with a solution
L345[11:55:14] <darsie> I try to fly as much as possible prograde in the atmosphere, except at launch, when I turn east at the right moment. Then, when bearing aligns with heading I activate prograde hold.
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L347[11:56:59] <Althego> there is no right altitude anymore, except for eve
L348[11:57:24] <Eddi|zuHause> how about left altitude?
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L351[12:00:30] <UmbralRaptop> port/starboard, obviously
L352[12:00:49] <Althego> serial port :(
L353[12:00:50] <Althego> )
L354[12:01:23] <darsie> I can't remember what's (anti)normal on retrograde orbits.
L355[12:01:32] <darsie> Or AN/DN.
L356[12:01:41] <Eddi|zuHause> use the right hand rule?
L357[12:01:56] <darsie> ok?
L358[12:02:57] <darsie> What is AN/DN with retrograde orbits?
L359[12:03:16] <Eddi|zuHause> dunno, we didn't have those when i was in school
L360[12:21:11] <Eddi|zuHause> "58 million dollar for the flight, plus 35 thousand dollar per day on the ISS", that sounds like a good deal?
L361[12:23:33] <Eddi|zuHause> it also says the russians are decreasing their crew size fro m3 to 2, also making some space for occasional tourists
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L363[12:25:32] <jUMPSu1t> How do you zoom in on what you're building in the VAB?
L364[12:25:52] <Eddi|zuHause> +/-?
L365[12:26:27] <Eddi|zuHause> possibly also rshift/alt+mouswheel
L366[12:26:46] <jUMPSu1t> I'm on a MAcBOOK
L367[12:27:02] <Eddi|zuHause> my condolences
L368[12:27:08] <UmbralRaptop> They accept USB mice
L369[12:27:23] * UmbralRaptop is stuck with a macbook for work porpoises
L370[12:28:15] <Althego> hehe
L371[12:28:41] <Althego> you havent watched any louis rossmann videos, you wouldnt buy macbooks then :)
L372[12:28:46] <UmbralRaptop> Behold the high resolution of 1440x900!
L373[12:29:39] <jUMPSu1t> yes...i don't HAVE A MOUSE THANK YOU VERY MUCH
L374[12:29:52] <jUMPSu1t> And I'm trying to build a car
L375[12:30:00] <jUMPSu1t> And I can't zoom in on it
L376[12:30:33] <jUMPSu1t> who's he star person
L377[12:30:59] <Eddi|zuHause> nobody said mouswheel must be a physical object...
L378[12:31:36] <jUMPSu1t> then where's the mousewheel on a laptop
L379[12:32:35] <Eddi|zuHause> typically you can configure a touchpad to do that
L380[12:32:44] <Althego> in fact they do that out of the box
L381[12:32:47] <Althego> even on macbook
L382[12:32:54] <Althego> you can use them as scrollwheel
L383[12:33:17] <Althego> they are just reversed :)
L384[12:33:28] <packbart> I seem to remember to burn antinormal at AN in relative prograde orbit. normal when retrograde
L385[12:33:37] <UmbralRaptop> yeah, two finger touch. Not sure how well it works in KSP
L386[12:34:08] <packbart> but honestly, I just fiddle with the node and look at the predicted change
L387[12:34:13] <Althego> i used to have touchpad like that
L388[12:34:19] <Althego> not a problem
L389[12:34:46] <Eddi|zuHause> the thing i hate most about touchpads is that they always register mouseclicks at random positions...
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L400[13:05:36] <jUMPSu1t> How do you autonomously move towardss targets?
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L404[13:14:29] <packbart> what would be "autonomously" for you?
L405[13:15:12] <packbart> later cores and pilots can hold towards a craft or pro/retrograde relative to it
L406[13:16:46] <packbart> the MechJeb mod can do fully autonomous rendezvous and docking
L407[13:36:04] <packbart> I don't really know how to land at a given spot, even without an atmosphere. I must have skipped class when Gene taught that topic.
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L415[14:08:06] <Althego> ok 5 days realistically to kerbin soi with bob, i rather bring him home now from minmus
L416[14:08:15] <Althego> on a rather speedy road in 2.5 days
L417[14:11:53] <Althego> i forgot about the 2 guys recovering the lost kerbal from the polar highland crater, so i do have 18 kerbals then
L418[14:15:46] <Althego> with 572 m/s remaining and an 1.8 m heat shield, the recovery is quite certain
L419[14:16:24] <Althego> for bob
L420[14:16:39] <Althego> but the remaining 1600 for the polar lander is somewhat problematic
L421[14:16:58] <Althego> i have to come up with a trajectory that doesnt need much adjustment
L422[14:17:52] <Althego> if i do it correctly the polar orbit is oriented in a way the injecting before the poles would just get me back to kerbin. or not
L423[14:22:49] <Althego> it is working
L424[14:22:58] <Althego> i have too much delta v remaining like this
L425[14:23:02] <Althego> could have done another hop
L426[14:23:09] <Althego> i think i never landed on the highlands
L427[14:24:32] <Althego> http://warpology.com/k/return.png
L428[14:26:08] <flayer> ugh
L429[14:26:27] <flayer> i launched my ship to the solar orbit station on the wrong trajectory
L430[14:27:01] <flayer> it will arrive mostly depleted of snacks
L431[14:27:42] <flayer> well, either that or without enough fuel to slow down for docking
L432[14:42:26] <Althego> ksp is 50% off on gog. still more expensive than the price i bought it for
L433[14:44:15] <UmbralRaptop> I mean, KSP would have to be 82.5% off for me
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L480[20:17:21] <UmbralRaptor> hrm https://twitter.com/david_kipping/status/1137109342417760262
L481[20:17:21] <kmath> <david_kipping> @TM_Eubanks mf/mi is order of mag the Lorentz factor for photon rockets
L482[20:27:44] <Eddi|zuHause> there's a bunch of important things missing in that graph, like, actually trying to stop at the place you're going...
L483[20:31:39] <UmbralRaptor> minor detail
L484[20:44:31] <Eddi|zuHause> well, and for an actual "round trip" you'd also need to go back...
L485[20:45:31] <Eddi|zuHause> bonus points if it fits within a human lifespan
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