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L1[00:05:52] <Althego> what they didnt add
that?
L2[00:05:58] <Althego> they added a robotic
arm for science
L3[00:06:02] <Althego> but it cant collect
sample?
L4[00:06:04] <Althego> heh
L5[00:06:13] <Althego> this was an other
issue i always hated
L6[00:06:20] <Althego> you shouldnt need a
kerbal for sample return
L7[00:06:25] <Althego> only for crew and eva
report
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L9[00:17:41] <kubi> modding should not be
too complicated for that
L10[00:28:23] <Neal> hrm I'm going to be
cutting it real close with dV in my mun landing here
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L12[00:36:41] <Neal> the suicide burn
countdown on KER is brilliant and terrifying
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L22[03:18:18] <kubi> but it can be a bit
tricky if the trajectory is shallow and the terrain is bumpy
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L37[05:08:54] <Guest38950> hi
L38[05:08:56] <Mod9000> Hello,
Guest38950
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L47[06:02:55] <taniwha> I've found better
burn time's info to be pretty good
L49[06:14:10] <Gasher[work]> lol]
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L59[07:18:41] <kmath> <hanipersian>
Here I market all human made probes that land/impact/touch surface
of the Moon. ⏎ ⏎ @NASA @esa @isro @JAXA_en…
https://t.co/LcFFB87hWi
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L301[07:35:56] <Althego> market? wants to
sell landed moon probes?
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L307[08:15:16] <UmbralRaptop> tyop of
marking?
L308[08:28:43] <sandbox> marked
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L324[09:54:59] <Althego> what, did he
cause the accident?
L326[09:57:22] <Althego> heh i missed an
opportunity. i could have solved a station contract for free if i
had put a docking port on one of the ships
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L328[09:58:32] <Eddi|zuHause> let me
guess, none of the mods work today?
L329[09:59:16] <Althego> it is not a
complete waste, i still have exactly 5 kerbals scheduled to go to a
mun trip, so that would solve it anyway, but if i send them i would
have no kerbals remaining on the base
L331[09:59:51] <kmath> YouTube - Your next
PC? ALL AMD
L332[09:59:55] <Althego> yes, my thoughts
exactly
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L334[10:00:18] <Althego> as it looks now,
the new one next year is going to be all amd
L335[10:01:43] <Eddi|zuHause> what? my
current computer is also all amd
L336[10:01:57] <Althego> if you have been
asleep for the past 15 years
L337[10:02:37] <Eddi|zuHause> i always
found intel just a bit too pricey
L338[10:02:58] <Althego> but now not only
they are too expensive, it seems they are also inferior
L339[10:03:00] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't need
that last fraction of a performance boost
L340[10:03:08] <Althego> they cant really
recover from this too fast
L341[10:03:47] <Eddi|zuHause> i wanted to
get a new computer ever since ryzen was announced, but never got
around to it
L342[10:04:08] <Althego> wait until the
new stuff releases now
L343[10:04:16] <Eddi|zuHause> i
heard
L344[10:04:17] <Althego> the last 2 gen
computers i had intel, before that the previous two gen computers
were amd. i guess i am back to amd too
L345[10:04:35] <Eddi|zuHause> my current
computer is about 9 years old now
L346[10:04:42] <Althego> that is really
old
L347[10:04:49] <Eddi|zuHause> with the
graphics card a bit younger
L348[10:05:06] <Althego> although in the
last 5 years there was very little progress thanks to intel
L349[10:05:09] <Eddi|zuHause> it's showing
with games...
L350[10:05:27] <Eddi|zuHause> a bunch of
games are scraping the single digit fps
L351[10:12:02] <Althego> i guess i dont
really need the 5 kerbals at the base on standby, i can send them
now
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L361[10:45:23] <packbart> Eddi|zuHause:
the Mods I use work today, except for Kopernicus. and that's
probably just over-cautious with its hardcoded version number
L362[10:48:19] <packbart> hmm. probably
should've posted my question in the BG Discussion forum, not BG
Support, now that I think about it. oh well, it's done
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L371[11:20:20] <Althego> 13 contracts
running in parallel, plus a minmus probe on the way
L372[11:20:43] <Althego> a bit late
compared to the usual, but it also takes 4 commsats
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L374[11:22:24] <Althego> and of course all
are going to have nodes in a 20 minute interval
L376[11:23:20] <raptop> bleah
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L379[11:44:25] <umaxtu> gah! Kerbal Alarm
Clock isn't out for 1.7! Whatever shall I do?
L380[11:45:45] <raptop> oh no!
L381[11:49:15] <Althego> ok first batch of
burns finished, there were 25 seconds between some (cant switch
during landing)
L382[11:50:02] <Althego> the game should
compute landing speed with open chutes and should let me
switch
L383[11:50:07] <Althego> and recover
automatically
L384[11:51:09] <Althego> some of the first
batch appeared in the second, because of additional burn
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L386[11:52:04] <Althego> eh another rescue
contract, if the rescue ship was the bigger one i could just
collect the second guy easily, the capsule is near by the
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L401[12:38:00] <packbart> I should remove
the clipping middle panel between the seats
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L403[12:42:26] <Althego> scott. about the
rocket testing inciden
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L411[13:10:14] <skippydippy> Anyone
in?
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L413[13:11:19] <raptop> Not with that
attitude
L414[13:11:34] <raptop> 30 seconds total
in channel, 16 after talking
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L421[13:40:15] <darsie> The crew loading
carousel is a subassembly I loaded.
L422[13:41:19] <Althego> you dont need the
crew loading carousel
L423[13:41:20] <packbart> any errors in
the log? I'd expect some null reference thingy
L424[13:41:32] <darsie> Althego: Yeah, I
noticed, after making it.
L425[13:41:32] <Althego> you can just put
the kerbals in the command seats in the vab
L426[13:41:55] <darsie> Althego: I still
like it :).
L427[13:42:24] <packbart> the Kerbin Krew
Revolver
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L430[13:45:14] <darsie> I could open the
cargo bay doors. But not remove any objects.
L432[13:48:27] <darsie> The
"carousel" is actually only to turn the gangway
away.
L433[13:49:26] <Althego> heh i cant launch
bob towards minmus, cant land on the mun, because all the parallel
maneuvers and the switching around dont leave me with enough
time
L434[13:50:03] <darsie> Althego: What are
you doing?
L435[13:50:14] <Althego> juggling parallel
missions
L436[13:50:26] <Althego> now i have 22
minutes
L437[13:50:30] <darsie> Why so
simultaneously?
L438[13:50:45] <Althego> because we
can
L439[13:50:49] <darsie> ok :)
L440[13:50:57] <Althego> most of the time
the ships are just fling in orbit, no interaction needed
L441[13:51:23] <darsie> Go to Minmus
first. The Moon mission can wait another orbit.
L442[13:52:30] <Althego> cant, not enough
time to launch- maybe now i could
L443[13:52:46] <Althego> and it turns out
the ship is moving towards the dark side, not in position to
land
L444[13:55:28] <Althego> hmm i can almost
get a few additional science instruments
L445[13:55:34] <Althego> that would be
good for minmus
L446[13:55:47] *
darsie rebuilds the rocket ...
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L452[14:24:39] <Althego> one really
annoying aspect of the game is, scene changes get slower and slower
the longer you play
L453[14:24:59] <Althego> and with this
mission juggling it gets really bad quite fast
L454[14:35:17] <Neal1> strange, my memory
usage is about 6GB on the main menu and drops to about 2GB
ingame
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L457[15:10:00] <Neal1> welp I knew putting
solar panels on only one side of my vessel was a bad idea
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L459[15:21:19] <darsie> Neal1: Whihc ones?
I guess the small ones are physicsless, adding their mass to the
parent part.
L460[15:21:41] <Neal1> the smallest ones
are all I have unlocked
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L462[15:22:02] <Neal1> I was mostly trying
to balance out the weight of having my antenna on the other
side
L463[15:22:31] <darsie> So you ran out of
EC?
L464[15:23:11] <Neal1> yep
L465[15:23:12] <darsie> The small antenna
is also physicsless, IIRC.
L466[15:23:19] <darsie> So no need to
balance.
L467[15:23:29] <Neal1> I'm using the fold
out one that is white
L468[15:23:53] <Neal1> shaped like a
section of a tube cut lengthwise when open
L469[15:23:54] <darsie> The long, flat, 50
kg one?
L470[15:23:55] <Neal1> forgot the
name
L471[15:23:58] <Neal1> yeah
L472[15:24:04] <darsie> k
L473[15:24:22] <darsie> Well, won't
balance much with 5 kg, then anyways.
L474[15:24:49] <Neal1> I used 10
antennas
L475[15:24:50] <darsie> And actually,
physicsless parts will not balance at all in this case.
L476[15:24:53] <Neal1> I mean 10 solar
panels
L477[15:25:03] <darsie> Well, did it
work?
L478[15:25:18] <darsie> Or did it drift
without SAS?
L479[15:25:25] <Neal1> the CoM did change
in the VAB I'm pretty sure, it's hard to tell when zoomed in
because the textures get blurry
L480[15:25:45] <darsie> When you added teh
panels?
L481[15:25:47] <Neal1> yeah
L482[15:25:56] <darsie> What about in
flight?
L483[15:26:19] <Neal1> I'll check, just
landed on minmus and about to take off again to crash it to reduce
debris
L484[15:26:44] <darsie> How can you take
off without EC?
L485[15:27:02] <darsie> You could wait
till hte sun shines on your panels.
L486[15:27:08] <Neal1> yep it drifts
L487[15:27:12] <darsie> mhm
L488[15:27:19] <Neal1> like crazy
tbh
L489[15:27:29] <darsie> Also, within a
year the sun goes around, too.
L490[15:27:44] <Neal1> I had an SOI change
in a few hours
L491[15:27:54] <Neal1> couldn't wait
L492[15:28:04] <darsie> yeah, no orbit is
bad, then.
L493[15:28:35] <Neal1> since the craft was
spinning slightly when I went into timewarp mode, I just cheated to
give infinite electricity for a sec to reorient
L494[15:28:41] <darsie> Well, lessons
learned :). space is hard :).
L495[15:28:58] <Neal1> it would have been
fine if ksp modeled craft rotation during timewarp
L496[15:29:05] <Neal1> so I justified it
that way
L497[15:29:09] <darsie> k
L498[15:29:14] <darsie> There's a mod that
does that.
L499[15:29:23] <Neal1> oh?
L500[15:29:31] <darsie> persistant
rotation or so
L501[15:29:57] <darsie> You can turn it
on/off.
L502[15:31:10] <Neal1> might be cool,
might be buggy
L503[15:31:32] <Neal1> I forgot to add
reusable science experiments to this so I'm gotta crash it to
reduce debris
L504[15:31:59] <darsie> You know, you can
destroy vessles in the tracking station.
L505[15:32:06] <Neal1> that's too
easy
L506[15:32:10] <darsie> :)
L507[15:32:40] <darsie> But IRL there's
hardly too many spacecraft (far from Earth).
L508[15:32:46] <Neal1> there's a
possibility some parts will survive reentry from the altitude of
minmus's orbit so I can get some science back
L509[15:33:14] <Neal1> I've got 1800m/s dV
so I may be able to bleed off enough speed to recover some
things
L510[15:33:14] <darsie> Good luck with
that :).
L511[15:33:33] <darsie> Ahh, yeah, that
should work. If your engine ist strong enough.
L512[15:33:54] <darsie> You can also
aerobrake with multiple atmospheric passes.
L513[15:34:23] <Neal1> got my Pe down to
60km and now have 1.4km/s dV
L514[15:34:37] <Neal1> 55Mm Ap
L515[15:34:48] <Neal1> gonna start
there
L516[15:35:05] <darsie> Jeb falls through
hte holes of horizontal ladders.
L517[15:35:20] <darsie> Thought of using
them as gangway.
L518[15:35:30] <darsie> retractable
...
L519[15:46:20] <ironpenguin> So robotics
are fun. Got a VTOL working nicely.
L520[15:48:35] <Althego> finally now i
have enough time left to do something, only one node remaining in
45 minutes or so. and have all but the gravioli science thing
(still on 1.7)
L521[15:48:44] <Althego> so i can send bob
to minmus
L522[15:49:37] <Neal1> does anyone know of
a way to get KER to display drag force?
L523[15:49:43] <Neal1> or maybe a way in
stock ksp?
L524[15:49:44] <Althego> two small gravity
probes can collect the gravioli science later
L525[15:50:13] <Althego> cant you turn on
aero details from the alt-f12 menu?
L526[15:50:16] <Althego> same for
thermal
L527[15:50:26] <Althego> gives exact
numbers in context menu
L528[15:50:46] <Althego> i think there was
one for aero too, but i only ever used it for thermal
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L530[15:52:35] <Neal1>
alt-f12-physics-aero- "display aero gui" has it,
thx
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L534[15:56:25] <Neal1> getting huge
fireballs and I'm only at 56km altitude... this isn't going to be
pretty
L535[15:56:29] <Neal1> reentering at mach
10
L536[15:57:24] <Althego> hehe
L537[15:57:34] <Neal1> the only thing that
exploded was my command pod
L538[15:57:35] <Neal1> really
L539[15:57:38] <Neal1> smh
L540[15:57:38] <Althego> lol
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L542[15:57:57] <Neal1> it was the last
thing in the airflow...
L543[15:58:23] <Althego> when suddend
overheat spike occurs in an occluded part is just cheat through
it
L544[15:58:26] <Althego> it shouldnt
happen
L545[15:58:37] <Althego> the air is
fiverted by the parts in front of it
L546[15:58:59] <Neal1> idk why the HECS
pod needs to have sides that are so wide
L547[15:59:00] <Althego> as it is visible
with the plasma effects
L548[15:59:05] <Neal1> yea
L549[15:59:31] <Althego> typically for me
the science junior what explodes
L550[15:59:36] <Neal1> it's just stupid
that the small tony probe size pods aren't even protected properly
by the small heatshield
L551[15:59:39] <Althego> so i just gave up
on recovering the
L552[15:59:45] <Althego> despite being so
expensive
L553[15:59:55] <Althego> yes that
too
L554[16:00:06] <Althego> if you want to be
sure you have to use one size bigger shield
L555[16:00:11] <Althego> which is
nonsense
L556[16:01:24] <Neal1> maybe I'll file a
bug report about that
L557[16:01:31] <Neal1> it's been that way
for quite a while
L558[16:02:19] <Althego> you can see if it
is bugged if you tilt the craft a little bit in the airstream, so
that is is completely parallel, the sudden heat spike
disappears
L559[16:02:28] <Althego> as suddenly as it
came
L560[16:02:54] <Althego> but if the craft
is not parallel with the stream even a tiny bit of a degree, the
spike is there again
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L562[16:03:12] <Althego> this is when i
just turn on the ignore max temp
L563[16:03:23] <ironpenguin> Do you
usually reenter on orbital or surface velocity? Cause i find
surface has fewer issues for reentry.
L564[16:03:50] <Althego> yes that might be
part of it
L565[16:04:12] <Althego> because there is
a bit of difference in the angle
L566[16:04:16] <Neal1> you mean when
aiming retrorade do you aim for orbital or surface?
L567[16:04:27] <Neal1> I do surface for
reentry
L568[16:04:47] <Althego> the marker of the
velocity vector moves between the surface and orbit modes
L569[16:04:53] <Neal1> yea
L570[16:05:23] <ironpenguin> Mmhm. Its a
subtle difference, and dosent always work, but surface usually does
just a bit better.
L571[16:05:25] <Althego> and it is better
to have retrograde orientation in surface mode because it protects
from the atmospheric effects better
L572[16:06:07] <Neal1> yep
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L584[16:27:15] <Neal1> place your bets as
to wheter I'll recover any parts from this, or if I just wasted
30min with 10+ aerobraking maneuvers to get nothing
L586[16:29:25] <Neal1> 50s impact time,
make your entries!
L587[16:29:37] <ironpenguin> Hm...Im going
with success.
L588[16:29:54] <Neal1> it's 50/50
think
L589[16:30:20] <Neal1> impact zone is
right on the border of the ocean, and the body lift keeps moving
the impact area around
L590[16:30:35] <Neal1> need moar
drag
L591[16:31:08] <Neal1> theres some fuel in
it stll so impact speed may be kinda high
L592[16:31:21] <Neal1> oh no its
accelerating
L593[16:31:59] <Neal1> 500ms impact time
and going 250 m/s
L594[16:32:01] <Neal1> yeah we ded
L595[16:32:17] <Neal1> well I officially
wasted 35+ minutes
L596[16:32:27] <ironpenguin>
Hm...Bummer.
L597[16:33:25] <Neal1> really did not
anticipate the terminal velocity being 250m/s
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L603[17:03:26] <packbart> upgrading to
monodevelop 5 worked. I can finally compile mods again. *updates
Kopernicus*
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L605[17:32:46] <Fluburtur> I was throwing
crap out of a truck earlier and there was a formation of 4 fouga
magisters that flew over
L606[17:32:46] <Fluburtur> big
kaboom
L607[17:32:47] <Fluburtur> 3 were in a
nice tight formation and the last one was doing its own thing
L609[17:43:25] <Neal1> I think I've seen
one somewhere
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L620[19:13:53] <Neal1> wow I hate landing
legs
L621[19:14:08] <Neal1> !@#$%^
L622[19:14:46] <Neal1> landed
successfully, everything was fine. lost LOS with relay satellite
which was fine because I landed
L623[19:15:15] <Neal1> suddenly the leg
jumps for no reason and ejects my lander off at 50m/s
L624[19:17:00] <ironpenguin> Plus side, i
think your lander is ready for the olympics.
L625[19:17:15] <Neal1> with every
quicksave load it gets better at leaping for no rason
L626[19:17:18] <Neal1> *reason
L627[19:17:25] <Neal1> just got 80 m/s
this reload
L628[19:23:58] <ironpenguin> Well,
practice does make perfect after all.
L630[19:26:25] <kmath> YouTube - Boing! -
Kerbal Space Program
L631[19:26:38] <Neal1> it does it
consistently now, here's a video
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L633[19:27:48] <darsie> Kerbals in a
command seat have 94 kg. In the capsule they are massless
particles.
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L635[19:29:17] <darsie> Which explains why
my group experience rocket has less dv when loaded with 11
Kerbals.
L636[19:50:00] <Neal1> hrm I keep getting
phantom torques
L637[19:50:11] <Neal1> when SAS is
disabled *everything* starts rotating
L638[19:52:29] <nate> I had a rocket start
doing somersaults right after launch cause I forgot to enable SAS
before staging off
L639[19:52:30] <nate> lol
L640[20:08:16] <darsie> Neal1: I had that,
too. I activated trim with mod-WASD. Press mod-x to cancel.
L641[20:08:36] <Neal1> hrm I have been alt
tabbing a lot. maybe thats it
L642[20:18:26] <Neal1> nope even after
doing alt-x it still starts rotating
L643[20:19:48] <Neal1> not a longitudinal
roll but it's either a pitch or a yawing motion
L644[20:20:19] <bees> a touch of kraken
due to clipped parts
L645[20:20:21] <bees> (usually)
L646[20:22:52] <Neal1> haha now I can't
reproduce it
L647[20:23:00] <Neal1> right when I
started recording it stopped
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L659[21:31:13] <Neal1> what would be the
best orbit for a single relay sat above Duna? polar or
equatorial?
L660[21:39:38] <umaxtu> I would think
polar because you'd cover the entire planet eventually
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L667[21:49:39] <darsie> Neal1: I picked
polar, as that covers a whole equatorial orbit at times and maybe
the whole equator. High equatorial will also cover the entire
planet with signal, as the radio link travels through ground a bit
(maybe not on some settings).
L668[21:51:22] <darsie> You could make a
highly eccentric polar orbit. That will cover complete equatorial
orbits and maybe the equator most of the time.
L669[21:57:53] <darsie> I'm back from my
Kerbal group experience from Mun/Minmus surface and solar orbit.
All participants now have 3+ stars. The rotating gangway was nice,
but I switched to ladders to crew the rocket:
http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot201.png
much simpler and cheaper.
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L673[22:35:35] <Eddi|zuHause> hm, there's
an icon missing from my taskbar, and i can't figure out what
L674[22:35:46] <Althego> hehe
L675[22:36:01] <Althego> ksp usually
disappears from there after an update
L676[22:36:08] <Althego> i dont get
why
L677[22:37:09] <Althego> that reminds me,
if you have an upgraded vab that has action groups, and a basic sph
that does not have them, if you switch between them by the button
on top, and switch back, the action groups disappears and dont come
back
L678[22:37:44] <Eddi|zuHause> is that a
new button?
L679[22:38:00] <Althego> the switch button
is relatively new
L680[22:38:10] <Althego> looks likea
little plane flying diagonally
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