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L12[03:30:11] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2XPjOs5qYQ tschut tschut!
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L21[05:27:18] <Althego> Fluburtur: what are you up to lately?
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L24[06:18:54] * darsie went to Gilly again, this time with a radiator: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot154.png
L25[06:21:11] <darsie> All right, I'm fuelled up now :).
L26[06:33:22] <Althego> yes the radiator really helps with the isru
L27[06:33:25] <Althego> also an engineer
L28[06:34:02] <Althego> so did you landon eve already?
L29[06:34:36] <Althego> rumors say a 5 ghz boost clock 12 core (24 thread) amd is coming
L30[06:34:54] <Althego> which means the next computer really has to be amd again, after all these years
L31[06:37:21] <darsie> No. Just refuelled on Gilly and taking off now to Eve.
L32[06:37:31] <Althego> i would have landed empty
L33[06:38:14] <darsie> I will, don't worry :), but I need fuel for an entry burn.
L34[06:39:21] <darsie> The big battery wasn't really necessary.
L35[06:39:50] <Althego> i usually land empty, except for a tiny amount of fuel, with a descent stage engine hidden behind a heatshield and angled outward. to decrease the angle i put the engines on top, that also helps to get rid of the landing stage, along with the parachutes
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L37[06:41:05] <darsie> Guys, this is a sample return mission. I need to get back up.
L38[06:41:22] <Althego> maybe from the highest peak on eve
L39[06:41:26] <Althego> if you can land there
L40[06:41:35] <Althego> but that is relatively tiny and not on the equator
L41[06:41:41] <Rolf> plane it out
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L43[06:41:45] <darsie> But I thought of a way to use a heat shield. Put another mammoth under the heat shield.
L44[06:42:40] <darsie> But that's kinda ugly. Spacex doesn't use heat shields and another 9 Merlins, either.
L45[06:56:05] <Althego> because they are not going with full orbital velocity and the rocket is mostly empty
L46[06:56:42] <Althego> you are going to land with an almost full rocket, in a much denser atmosphere
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L48[06:59:07] <darsie> My rocket will be empty after the entry burn.
L49[06:59:19] <Rolf> mining fuel there?
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L51[06:59:36] <Rolf> i always suspected that its best to just fly out of eve rather than rocket out
L52[06:59:49] <Rolf> heck it stops even my cheater engine
L53[07:00:12] <darsie> yeah
L54[07:01:55] <Rolf> engine that can push ship to lightspeed in minutes took minutes to get out of eve.
L55[07:02:37] <darsie> Well, I've used this design long ago. Wanna know if it still works.
L56[07:02:45] <Rolf> :)
L57[07:03:53] <darsie> Flying? With rocket engines?
L58[07:04:19] <Rolf> wings
L59[07:04:29] <Rolf> so you dont fight gravity all way up and takes advange of air there
L60[07:04:53] <darsie> But how do you thrust in CO2?
L61[07:05:04] <Althego> the manley drive could get you up from eve easily :)
L62[07:05:05] <darsie> Solar powered propeller?
L63[07:05:23] <Althego> i was thinking of electric props for under 15 km
L64[07:05:31] <Althego> but in stock those are really hard to make
L65[07:05:44] <Althego> and what i could build was ugly and didnt have enough thrust for vertical ascent
L66[07:06:00] <Althego> but it could power a plane to go above 10 km
L67[07:06:29] <darsie> They should have props.
L68[07:06:59] <Rolf> not too sure havent played for a bit, forgot some parts is possible
L69[07:07:02] <Althego> yes, for eve and duna mostly
L70[07:07:09] <Althego> but also good for kerbin and layhte
L71[07:07:29] <Althego> in the upcoming dlc there will be an electric motor
L72[07:07:45] <Althego> but i guess it is about torque and not speed, so probably useless for props
L73[07:08:25] <Rolf> if fly to say 90% above air you already have massive savings
L74[07:08:56] <Rolf> so it really depends on what you can think up that can live though landing and flight up, nd evenual orbiting.
L75[07:09:14] <darsie> Rockoon :)
L76[07:10:22] <Mat2ch> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1132220235543588864 Uhm... :D
L77[07:11:07] <Althego> what happened to audi?
L78[07:15:16] <Mat2ch> They created an EV, which is heavier than a Tesla and has less range
L79[07:15:21] <Mat2ch> Also I think it costs more.
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L81[07:24:28] <darsie> A truck?
L82[07:24:56] <Mat2ch> Big, heavy SUV
L83[07:25:13] <Mat2ch> oh, teslabjorn has finally one for range and charging test
L84[07:27:09] <Mat2ch> and his versions has manual steering wheel adjustment. Even the M3s have it motorized...
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L87[08:11:29] <Eddi|zuHause> Every word is a slur in some other language (paraprasing douglas adams)
L88[08:13:21] <Mat2ch> but as a German car maker you ought to have some French speaking employees. Somebody should have known
L89[08:13:48] <sandbox> youtube is a slur in scotland
L90[08:14:19] <Mat2ch> Well, England is one also. :D
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L94[08:20:19] <TransitBiker> bwop
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L96[08:36:38] <Althego> mmbop
L97[08:44:53] <darsie> Aerobraking at Eve is tedious.
L98[08:50:32] <darsie> Physics warp still reduces heat.
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L101[09:13:41] <Mat2ch> pfff, I'd call that cheating!
L102[09:16:31] <Althego> it used to increase ablator usage
L103[09:16:56] <Althego> because it multiplies everything in the equations, but it forgot to multiply ablator quantity
L104[09:17:15] <Althego> so eve ate through ablator like it was nothing
L105[09:17:48] <Althego> i removed a few unnecessary parts from my science plane
L106[09:18:12] <Althego> first iteration, there is a second one with the usable landing gear
L107[09:18:24] <Althego> but that is not available yet
L108[09:21:23] <Althego> http://www.warpology.com/k/Science%20Plane%201.craft http://www.warpology.com/k/science_plane.png
L109[09:22:57] <Althego> but only the 3rd iteration is the good, once i can upgrade to the vectoring jets
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L112[09:41:34] <darsie> Yes!!! I landed on Eve :) http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot157.png
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L114[09:56:58] <Mat2ch> in once piece? That's a great achievment!
L115[10:05:10] <darsie> It dug into the ground, though, when returning from time warp for fuel mining, and also kinked :(.
L116[10:07:19] <Mat2ch> Also quicksave to show the Kraken who's boss!
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L118[10:11:49] <darsie> Sometimes the Kraken is in quicksave.
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L121[10:22:27] <Eddi|zuHause> quickload sometimes has more krackens than just playing through
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L128[11:31:51] <Althego> yes the mining timewarp and jumping in the air, i know that too well
L129[11:32:24] <Althego> now the qestion is, can it get back into orbit
L130[11:32:45] <Althego> Rokker: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7ZTUq7UwAEjNHF.jpg
L131[11:33:32] <Rokker> why you linking me facebook memes dammit
L132[11:34:27] <Rokker> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xZcwBHio/20190525_123353.jpg
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L138[11:51:33] <Eddi|zuHause> still plenty of air and space in that picture
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L143[12:21:27] <darsie> I didn't make it back to orbit.
L144[12:22:32] <darsie> Maybe the old design was better. Two FL800 tanks for the Vector and the Mammoth may have had a full size tank.
L145[12:22:50] <Mat2ch> darsie: how much dV did you pack?
L146[12:23:05] <Mat2ch> and did you do an early gravity turn or a late one?
L147[12:23:22] <darsie> late
L148[12:23:28] <darsie> Atmo is so dense ...
L149[12:25:39] <Mat2ch> yeah, that's the issue here
L150[12:26:17] <Mat2ch> you still have to do a pretty early gravity turn or you'll lose too much dV afterwards due to vector losses
L151[12:30:08] <Althego> i expected that, it looked too small for eve
L152[12:30:44] <Althego> if you are willing to ditch the cabin and use command chair, you can get rid of a lot of mass
L153[12:32:10] <darsie> KER says 8139 m/s vacuum dv. I spent a lot subsonic due to drag.
L154[12:34:48] <darsie> Ohh, that included the SRBs for Kerbin launch.
L155[12:35:28] <darsie> 7861 m/s now
L156[12:35:53] <darsie> 7923 m/s without the legs.
L157[12:36:18] <darsie> 7934 m/s without the chutes.
L158[12:36:56] <darsie> I may try the slimmer second stage some time.
L159[12:59:24] <Mat2ch> Na, bring a bigger first stage ;)
L160[13:00:01] <darsie> That, too, maybe.
L161[13:08:00] <Mat2ch> https://imgur.com/a/oAozXm2 my last monstrosity that went to Eve and back
L162[13:08:07] <Mat2ch> yes, 3 person capsule
L163[13:08:41] <Mat2ch> and I cheated a litte. Didn't bring ladders, but a crew cabin at the bottom...
L164[13:09:16] <Mat2ch> With robotic parts a lift would have been possible, but...
L165[13:20:43] <darsie> lol
L166[13:24:15] <Althego> i usually get rid of the ladders and parachutes after use
L167[13:24:40] <Althego> getting back from eve is totally one way, dispensable craft
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L169[13:30:09] <Althego> finally, scott talks
L170[13:34:28] <Althego> and i got the usable landing gear
L171[13:35:30] <Althego> and the plane looks stupid with them because i had to move them too much forward, and i am not going to turn them backwards because they also provide lights
L172[14:15:28] <packbart> "worrying and scary for the future of astronomy" - hm. well, we do need moar satellites. https://vimeo.com/338361997
L173[14:18:37] <Althego> but make them transparent first :)
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L175[14:48:54] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbH1ZDImaI8
L176[14:49:03] <Althego> Is SpaceX's Raptor engine the king of rocket engines?
L177[14:49:07] <Althego> (everyday astronaut)
L178[14:50:05] <UmbralRaptop> In terms of thrust: SSRM > RD-170 > F1 >…
L179[14:50:38] <Althego> the blue origin engine is going to be bigger than the raptor
L180[14:50:55] <UmbralRaptop> hrm
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L199[17:11:10] <Neal> is ksp still playable in vanilla with plasma blackout enabled?
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L201[17:17:05] <UmbralRaptop> If you keep crews around, definitely.
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L203[17:26:26] <Rolf> fancy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M515Suqh5p0
L204[17:29:08] <UmbralRaptop> probes, I think you need to be careful, but probably?
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L208[17:44:35] <Neal> can someone tell me why I lost control of my vessel right before I landed in the ocean? I wasn't able to deploy my parachute or control anything despite having jeb at the controls.......
L209[17:44:35] <Neal> https://www.twitch.tv/videos/429880028?t=00h20m55s
L210[17:44:41] <Neal> ^timestamped
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L212[17:45:05] <Neal> the tapping sound is me mashing my spacebar
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L214[17:46:42] <Tank2333_> the Kraken did it
L215[17:47:30] <Tank2333_> your sacrififice was not worth enough
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L218[17:53:43] <Rolf> Neal: out of power?
L219[17:53:46] <Rolf> happened to me
L220[17:53:58] <Neal> no
L221[17:54:09] <Neal> also power isn't needed to deploy chutes when a kerbal is onboard
L222[17:54:14] <Rolf> my rocket started rotating out of control when I turned off engine, oh no power lol
L223[17:55:02] <darsie> Neal: No line of sight becaues Earth is not flat?
L224[17:55:11] <darsie> Kerbin* :)
L225[17:55:59] <Neal> again, there was a kerbal onboard so that was not needed
L226[17:56:07] <darsie> ok
L227[17:56:37] <Neal> jeb was right there looking happy as ever
L228[17:56:39] <darsie> Sometimes I need to hit space twice for staging.
L229[17:57:07] <Neal> I was mashing it
L230[17:57:12] <Neal> hit it at least 30 times
L231[17:58:15] <darsie> too fast?
L232[17:58:22] <darsie> speed
L233[17:59:01] <Neal> I mean they didn't even start to deploy
L234[17:59:16] <Neal> and it wasn't that fast
L235[17:59:27] <darsie> mhm, chute is white
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L256[20:57:47] <GlassYuri> "Why are there so many wrong answers on Quora? - Quora"
L257[21:05:09] <UmbralRaptop> hrm…
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L271[22:40:30] <Eddi|zuHause> ... that's obviously fake news
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