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L20[05:40:43] <Fluburtur> I wonder if
peoples make custom shape bladder fuel tanks for rc planes
L21[05:41:41] <Althego> very strange
idea
L22[05:41:53] <Fluburtur> not really
L23[05:42:05] <Fluburtur> they dotn cause
air bubbles and dont need to be vented to balance presure
L25[06:00:03] <Rolf> that's nice
print
L26[06:00:20] <Rolf> will it be used to
make casting or used as is?
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L28[06:23:25] <Fluburtur> it is for a
model
L29[06:23:57] <Rolf> oh model to show to
class or students or something?
L30[06:24:00] <Fluburtur> the actual one
will be 3d printed metal
L31[06:24:19] <Rolf> nice. i'd lve to have
3d metal printer!
L32[06:24:42] <Fluburtur> they are super
expensive, running them is super expensive and materials is super
expensive
L33[06:24:48] <Fluburtur> all
pleasure
L34[06:25:06] <Rolf> heh yeah sadly theres
cost of buying, and then theres cost of ownership.
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L37[06:47:46] <kmath> YouTube - Mice aboard
the International Space Station
L38[06:48:16] <Althego> wheeee
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L40[06:49:31] <Althego> astronauts in
skylab ran around like this too :)
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L44[07:25:10] <Eddi|zuHause> conclusion:
astronauts are mice?
L45[07:26:53] <sandbox> what do they do
with them when they die?
L46[07:28:31] <Eddi|zuHause> eat
them?
L47[07:28:53] <sandbox> the astronauts?
;p
L48[07:29:04] <Eddi|zuHause> sure.
L49[07:29:46] <Eddi|zuHause> as far as i'm
aware, that hasn't actually happened yet that an astronaut died
while in space (and there was someone left to eat them)
L50[07:33:13] <Althego> actuall 3 died in
space before reentry
L52[07:34:30] <Eddi|zuHause> yes. but all
of them.
L53[07:35:05] <Althego> there were cases
when they didnt die, but some animals almost ate them :)
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L68[10:35:35] <Xinayder> what unity version
does ksp 1.7 use?
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L76[11:44:12] <sandbox> Beresheet 2
L77[11:45:11] <Althego> the return to the
moon :)
L78[11:45:40] <Althego> and i still dont
know what happened to falcon 2 to 8 :)
L79[11:46:08] <UmbralRaptor> We know what
happened to falcon 5
L80[11:47:18] *
UmbralRaptor also would like to point out that the US has had a
continuous lunar presence for about 10 years now, and will be using
that to image Beresheet crater
L81[11:47:22] <Althego> so this is how a
woman feels when dressing up. i have several hundred games and
nothing to play :)
L82[11:49:09] *
UmbralRaptor suggests an RNG?
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L87[12:06:42] <Althego> wow lasted 20
seconds
L88[12:07:10] <UmbralRaptor> *boing*
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L91[12:47:26] <kmath> YouTube -
Kevin!
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L105[14:43:28] <Fluburtur> is there
anything red bull doesnt put their filthy hands on
L106[14:43:45] <Fluburtur> im trying to
watch soapbox cars videos and there is only red bull for whatever
goddamn reason
L107[14:44:35] <sandbox> who even drinks
that stuff?
L108[14:45:12] <Fluburtur> idk but
apparently they have enoug money to ruin everything
L109[14:47:22] *
darsie drinks caffeine powder.
L110[14:51:27] <APlayer> For the first
time in months, I am playing KSP again. Yay, and boo, because I am
failing to build a plane with FAR.
L111[14:53:32] <APlayer> Plane suddenly
pitches up at takeoff and immediately dives down. Speed is around
60 m/s, stability derivatives show no red numbers at Mach 0.2. I am
not sure what the issue is.
L112[14:57:12] <APlayer> The dive might be
because the tail break off when it pitches up
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L115[15:01:36] <UmbralRaptor> I mean,
going into a dive after losing your tail is common with real plane
crashes
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L117[15:02:05] <Fluburtur> my loading
times are still painfully slow
L118[15:02:19] <Fluburtur> well, no ksp
until the next update I guess
L119[15:02:21] <Fluburtur> again
L120[15:03:12] <APlayer> Write a mod that
disables loading times
L121[15:03:13] <APlayer> :P
L122[15:03:39] <Fluburtur> no patience for
that
L123[15:03:55] <Fluburtur> I might as well
untilstal it, I havent had any fun in that game in a long
time
L124[15:04:13] <APlayer> Just keep
building rockets IRL
L125[15:04:35] <Fluburtur> I should send
some hate letters to take two
L126[15:04:44] <Fluburtur> to express my
feeling about stuff
L127[15:07:09] <APlayer> "Yo, take
two, I do not like the weather lately"
L128[15:07:10] <APlayer> :P
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L136[15:32:28] <Eddi|zuHause>
<Fluburtur> im trying to watch soapbox cars videos and there
is only red bull for whatever goddamn reason <-- honestly?
soapbox cars sounds more like red bull than, say, formula 1 or
football
L137[15:32:44] <Fluburtur> it existed
before red bull
L138[15:33:20] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but
red bull with its flying soapboxes, would rather make sense to also
make rolling soapboxes, rather than formula1 cars
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L141[15:45:34] <darsie> EVA/board changed
my orbit in 1.7.
L142[15:52:03] <UmbralRaptor> oops
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L144[16:37:39] <APlayer> Good news, the
plane has taken off and flies successfully. Bad news, turns out it
is hard to go supersonic if you forgot to retract your landing
gear
L145[16:37:53] <Rolf> lol
L146[16:38:57] <APlayer> In fact, it is
hard to go supersonic with two Juno engines at all. But going
supersonic was not the design goal, after all
L147[16:39:17] <Rolf> once went supersonic
with zero engine
L148[16:39:43] <Rolf> went to space few
times, and almost crashed few times on single flight ;)
L149[16:39:52] <APlayer> Well, I mean I
went FTL without any means of propulsion, a few times
L150[16:40:07] <APlayer> Luckily that sort
of kraken is rather rare
L151[16:40:12] <Rolf> lol never went that
fast.. without a engine
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L153[16:40:45] <Rolf> never did finish
that emdrive addon part
L154[16:41:22] <APlayer> Probably for the
best, given that it seems to have died IRL too :-)
L155[16:41:36] <Rolf> yeah quiet for
whiole
L156[16:42:16] <APlayer> How do you guys
make plane rudders that do not immediately cause large roll changes
when used?
L157[16:42:47] <Rolf> dunno onlky mod part
I made was attempt on emdrive
L158[16:42:52] <APlayer> Obviously I could
just add a radially symmetric one on the plane's bottom, but that
would break off on liftoff (and probably on landing)
L159[16:43:08] <Rolf> i had gotten around
the fuel requirement by simply having it generate its own
fuel
L160[16:43:10] <APlayer> I think that's
not something you need to mod
L161[16:43:35] <APlayer> Rolf: Pure EC
does not work as fuel IIRC?
L162[16:44:03] <Rolf> emdrive is pure
electric drive. thats why people doubted it work. I doubt it also
lol
L163[16:44:19] <Rolf> its extremely weak,
1/10 the xenon drive
L164[16:44:36] <APlayer> I mean KSP
wouldn't let you make an engine that only needs EC?
L165[16:44:39] <Rolf> force is roughly
what you'd feel when you hold feather on your drive
L166[16:44:44] <Rolf> oh!
L167[16:44:48] <Rolf> yeah it
refuses
L168[16:45:26] <Rolf> so my
"emdrive" uses tiny amount of xenon and whole lot of
electriciy
L169[16:45:30] <APlayer> IRL, pure
electric drives are a thing that works, even. Planetary magnetic
fields can be exploited, for example.
L170[16:45:37] <Rolf> but i screwed up
somewhere.
L171[16:45:59] <Rolf> yeah thats acting on
external factors
L172[16:46:14] <APlayer> But the EM drive
would work independently of anything, on pure electricity. Magnetic
fields push off of planets. The EM drive pushes off of empty
space
L173[16:47:20] <Rolf> theres hypotensis on
it pushes on virtual particles that disappear before it hits other
end wall
L174[16:47:45] <APlayer> But the net
effect is that it does not conserve momentum
L175[16:47:55] <Rolf> yep.
L176[16:48:11] <Rolf> i wonder if it'd be
injecting energy into vacuum
L177[16:48:40] <APlayer> Unless you go
something really far fetched, like virtual particles being the
fabric of space itself and the EM drive pushes off of everything
else in existence. Which, because of relativity, still means that
it pushes off of nothing :P
L178[16:49:08] <Rolf> who know
L179[16:49:37] <Rolf> likely it acts on
something we didnt expect or it may be heat emitter (uses ir as
photon drive)
L180[16:50:06] <APlayer> ...or it just
does not work
L181[16:50:08] <APlayer> :P
L182[16:50:11] <Rolf> indeed
L183[16:50:35] <Rolf> test in actual space
need to be done
L184[16:50:52] <Rolf> have regular drive
and emdrive, get it out to nowhere near anything
L185[16:50:55] <Rolf> then try
L186[16:50:58] <Rolf> but money
L187[16:51:50] <APlayer> Grrr, this plane
is so bouncy, I just cannot land it
L188[16:52:11] <Rolf> just remember, if it
crashes it was only a simulation after all ;)
L189[16:52:29] <APlayer> I have an escape
system, crashes should not be too bad :-)
L190[16:53:00] <APlayer> Because I know
that I am too incompetent to land planes. In KSP at least.
L191[16:53:16] <Rolf> i can land planes. i
just cant land planes where i want to.
L192[16:53:51] <Eddi|zuHause> you're a
step ahead of me then :p
L193[16:54:00] <Rolf> lol
L194[16:55:24] <Rolf> i landed most of my
plane designs that actually worked
L195[16:55:36] <Rolf> only one that was
pure unlandable is snowflake
L196[16:55:52] <Rolf> no engines to
moderate and it exploits flaw of spacetime ;)
L197[16:56:36] <APlayer> Ow, that barely
missed the VAB. I missed the runway laterally, tried to correct,
went in at a high roll angle, decided to abort the landing, and in
pulling up I almost hit the buildings
L198[16:56:53] <Rolf> ouch heh
L199[16:56:59] <APlayer> Against that, not
even my escape system would have helped
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L201[16:59:56] <APlayer> But I just can't
get this to land on the runway. I've played plenty of plane
simulator games, and almost all of them include some sort of ILS
that helps with runway alignment. In KSP, I _always_ miss by 10,
20, 30 m and have to correct at the last second, which leads me to
lose track of altitude and velocity, and eventually fail the
landing. If I land on the grass besides the runway, that's fine. It
will
L202[16:59:56] <APlayer> bounce around
some (it always does), but it comes to a halt safely, eventually.
Well, mostly. But I have not landed on the runway a single
time.
L203[17:01:21] <APlayer> I now have
essentially a glider plane with overpowered engines and airbrakes,
and I still cannot do it
L204[17:01:33] <Rolf> ksp is basically old
days simulator heh
L205[17:01:36] <Rolf> predates ils
L206[17:03:44] <APlayer> In that case, I
demand time warp to ILS invention
L207[17:04:01] <Rolf> lol
L208[17:04:11] <Rolf> someone actually
made ils with ksp parts
L209[17:04:25] <Rolf> think guy made it a
car also so he could position it
L210[17:04:36] <APlayer> In stock?
L211[17:04:42] <APlayer> How would that
work?
L212[17:04:45] <Rolf> looked like
L214[17:06:42] <Rolf> poor kerbal stuck on
ils duty. hearing all jet blasts.
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L217[17:09:02] <APlayer> How is that an
instrument landing system if it involves living organisms? :P
L218[17:09:10] <Rolf> lol
L219[17:09:27] <Rolf> video is
interesting
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L221[17:15:59] <APlayer> How come I touch
down so slowly, yet it bounces so hard :(
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L224[17:17:14] <APlayer> Believe it or
not, I managed to hit the runway this time, and I was only halfway
past it on the first bounce. But I didn't manage to get it under
control before the runway was over
L225[17:18:42] <APlayer> In other news, my
playlist just started "Big in Japan", and the sound of it
is so absolutely appropriate :D
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L227[17:29:05] <APlayer> Alright guys,
todays landing attempt has to be scrubbed because the pilot
requires some sleep
L228[17:29:19] <APlayer> G'night!
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L252[20:00:57] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: GQ! CQ! All hands to action stations, prepare
for high thrust!
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L255[20:01:44] <Scolar_Visari> This is not
a drill, repeat, this is not a drill.
L256[20:01:56] <UmbralRaptop> [the needle
moves to somewhere between 1 and 10 cm/s^2
L257[20:01:59] <UmbralRaptop> ]
L258[20:02:56] <Eddi|zuHause> how many G
is that? :p
L259[20:03:32] <Eddi|zuHause> about
0.001-0.01?
L260[20:04:37] <UmbralRaptop> yeah
L261[20:04:53] <Scolar_Visari> All hands,
brace. RCS warning in effect.
L262[20:05:04] <UmbralRaptop> (I mean, it
would be amazing if an ion engine ever did it)
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L264[20:07:24] <Scolar_Visari> Maybe
plasma/low end, not melt your engine fusion drive?
L265[20:08:01] <UmbralRaptop> hrm
L266[20:08:20] *
Scolar_Visari ponders how high thrust electro-thermal water RCS
could be).
L267[20:08:42] <Scolar_Visari> One thing
Children of a Dead Earth does not seem to implement, at least in
the stock version, are RCS quads.
L268[20:09:19] <Scolar_Visari> So your
ships only turn with rather wasteful main engine high angle gimbal
burns.
L269[20:10:23] <UmbralRaptop> eek
L270[20:11:03] <Scolar_Visari> That would
make docking, ah, interesting, considering that any ship worth
their salt are also nuclear powered.
L271[20:11:36] *
Scolar_Visari ponders an out-of-control warship irradiating a
docking repair vessel.
L272[20:15:44] <Scolar_Visari> There are
mods, too, that add silly high performance propulsion systems ala
The Expanse.
L273[20:16:47] <UmbralRaptop> That would
presumably lead to some silly encounters?
L274[20:17:48] <Scolar_Visari> I sort of
like the present-day NTR performance. It makes it more a puzzle
game than anything else.
L275[20:18:37] <Scolar_Visari> Like,
"Hm, I could burn through 2,000 m/s of delta-v to dodge these
missiles but give the enemy the space guage, or I could see if I
can intercept them with my own missiles to give me the upper hand
in delta-v."
L276[20:19:28] *
Scolar_Visari also ponders why the game insists on gunnery CIWS as
a primary means of defense instead of intercepting missiles as is
the case in real life anti-missile defense.
L277[20:27:11] <UmbralRaptop>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L278[20:27:22] <UmbralRaptop> point
defence lasers?
L279[20:35:22] <darsie> I pointed my laser
at ppl in the park who played loud music at midnight. With spread
beam so they don't get harmed.
L280[20:35:42] <UmbralRaptop> uh
L281[20:36:10] <darsie> They reduced the
volume. My flat mate has to work tomorrow.
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L283[20:40:41] *
darsie installed 1.7 today and landed on the Mun.
L284[20:41:37] <darsie> 3 separate
flights, flyby, orbit, landing, to get all the contract
rewards.
L285[20:42:11] <darsie> The new maneuver
node tuning is great.
L286[20:42:26] <darsie> I wanted that a
long tim.
L287[20:42:27] <darsie> e
L288[20:42:43] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: Lasers sort of stink but the game does feature rather
effective, Expanse style rapid fire coil guns.
L289[20:44:08] *
Scolar_Visari still grumbles at the PDC's tendency to have their
rights go through the entire hull of a ship, rather unlike most
penetrator rounds in real life.
L290[20:47:45] <Scolar_Visari> Unless
ships in The Expanse are armored with paper.
L291[20:55:13] *
Scolar_Visari looks up videos of depleted uranium using penetrator
tests with footage of the after-penetration effects, gets videos
on, "lethal radioactivity" of DU instead.
L292[20:59:43] *
Scolar_Visari also forgets we're in the future, 360 degree videos
are a thing.
L293[21:01:40] <umaxtu> Scolar_Visari, are
you talking about a mod or a game other than KSP?
L294[21:02:57] <Scolar_Visari> Children of
a Dead Earth, a very, very, very hard sci-fi space combat
game.
L295[21:03:24] <Scolar_Visari> Not only is
there no FTL, there's also nothing higher performance propulsion
wise than NTR and low-end plasma rockets.
L296[21:03:35] *
UmbralRaptop really should play that at some point
L297[21:04:45] *
UmbralRaptop assumes that ships in The Expanse have muzzle
velocities high enough to cause some relativistic
effects
L298[21:05:56] <Scolar_Visari> That
doesn't seem to be the case and, if it were, I can imagine the
rounds turning into an immutably deadly plasma after
penetration.
L299[21:07:22] *
Scolar_Visari notes the PDCs are only used at human spitting
distance ranges.
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L302[21:20:20] <UmbralRaptop> hrm
L303[21:22:40] *
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crashes
L304[21:23:17] <UmbralRaptop> crashes or
crashes?
L305[21:23:52] <JVFoxy> application
crapping out..
L306[21:24:19] <JVFoxy> its installed on
two different systems.. yet, keeps pulling some subscript
error.
L307[21:24:58] <UmbralRaptop> ah. also,
aaaaaaaaa
L308[21:27:59] <JVFoxy> home PC (windows 7
64) and laptop (windows 10 32), this stupid little program.. it'll
run ok, but, randomly when it has to transfer data to a port, it'll
crash.. I can't debug it because thanks to MS Visual Studio being
stupid
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L318[22:28:17] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah
steam... downloading game 37.0 of 38.5 MB... remaining time: 2
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L319[22:30:19] <Eddi|zuHause> 37.8/38.5
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