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L37[05:24:56] <packbart> how do I donate to
KSP development? ok, I could probably buy another download of KSP
but that feels weird
L38[05:25:20] <Rolf> hmm who owns ksp
now?
L39[05:25:29] *
packbart just bought a DLC-bundle for Euro Truck
Simulator
L40[05:25:43] <packbart> I spend money on
such stuff, I'd like to give some to KSP
L41[05:25:57] <Rolf> could always buy
toys
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L45[05:36:47] <Fluburtur> they dont need
more money now that they arent independant
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L50[07:05:11] <Mat2ch> packbart: do you
have the KSP DLC?
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L54[07:50:06] <kmath> YouTube - National
Science Foundation/Event Horizon Telescope press conference
L56[07:52:25] <kmath> YouTube - National
Science Foundation/Event Horizon Telescope press conference
L57[07:55:24] <Althego> what, did they make
the picture?
L58[07:55:48] <UmbralRaptor>
probably!
L59[07:56:36] <Althego> hehe their last nes
is from 1st of april
L60[07:56:41] <Althego> about presenting
results
L61[07:56:52] <Fluburtur> will probably
look like a bunch of blurred pixels
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L63[07:57:14] <Althego> yes apparently they
present the result now
L64[07:57:15] <Fluburtur> the general
public which doesnt know much about space probably expects a super
clear picture like in the movies
L66[07:57:45] <Althego> actuallty the
longer they run the procesing with more data, the better the image
will be
L67[07:57:57] <Althego> so we may have a
sharper picture in a year
L68[07:58:08] <Fluburtur> yeah but it will
never be scifi movie level
L69[07:58:17] <Fluburtur> since there is
stuff in the way of the black hole
L70[07:58:21] <Fluburtur> like, half a
galaxy
L71[07:58:42] <Althego> nthere are plans
for have ing readio telescopes in space and form an interferometer
bigget than earth
L72[08:00:41] <GlassYuri> I spent over a
week looking for my drill bits, now I can't find the right
collet
L73[08:01:06] <UmbralRaptor> 20
μarcsecondsacross, right?
L74[08:01:30] <Althego> store them in
drillbytes :)
L75[08:02:31] <Althego> this stream stopped
several times already. need to refresh it contantly
L76[08:04:09] <Fluburtur> there is black
holes closer than the central sucker
L77[08:04:13] <Fluburtur> but they probably
dont shine
L78[08:05:19] <Althego> and they are a lot
smaller
L79[08:05:28] <UmbralRaptor> ^
L80[08:05:41] <Fluburtur> if there was an
active one it would probably be easier to watch
L81[08:05:41] <Althego> ~remember that one
is a supermassive black hole
L82[08:06:18] <UmbralRaptor> A stellar
blackhole with the same angular size as Sgr A* would be inside the
oort cloud
L83[08:06:26] <Althego> i am still at work,
show that picture already
L84[08:06:39] <Fluburtur> I underestimated
the size of that thing then
L85[08:06:54] <Fluburtur> but brains are
not made to picture such scales anyways
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L87[08:08:39] <Althego> hehe blurry
pixels
L88[08:08:43] <Fluburtur> orb
L89[08:08:59] <UmbralRaptor> M87 first,
huh
L90[08:09:01] <Althego> omniORB
L91[08:18:03] <Fluburtur> extremely serious
science nerds
L92[08:18:14] <Althego> cant wtach it like
this
L93[08:18:18] <Althego> got the
picture
L94[08:18:25] <Althego> will watch the
other things later
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L97[08:42:30] <Fluburtur> "yo pic is
blurry"
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L99[08:53:15] <JVFoxy> so if someone with
bad eyes looks at it, does it look better or about the same?
L100[08:59:57] <Fluburtur> im gonna ask
them to install the good hardware in my 90cm sat dish to look at
black holes
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L102[09:00:37] <APlayer> Yo people!
L103[09:00:42] <Fluburtur> oy
L104[09:00:48] *** APlayer changes topic
to
L105[09:01:05] <APlayer> Uh, did I just
delete the topic?
L106[09:01:10] <Fluburtur> yeah
L107[09:01:30] <APlayer> Well, congrats to
self
L108[09:02:22] <APlayer> I wanted to check
if it includes the EHT image already, turns out this client suck
and interprets "/topic" as "set topic to
nothing"
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L110[09:02:37] <JVFoxy> oh.. pics of black
hole being a thing now?
L111[09:02:37] <APlayer> Anyone got the
old topic text by chance?
L113[09:02:54] <kmath> YouTube - National
Science Foundation/Event Horizon Telescope press conference
L114[09:03:03] <APlayer> JFVoxy: One of
the reasons why I suddenly appeared :D
L116[09:03:32] <APlayer> Thanks,
Fluburtur
L117[09:03:49] <JVFoxy> was going to sit
back, wait for things to settle down, then look into it myself...
wasn't sure if people trying to make it a big deal than its
really?
L118[09:04:27] <Fluburtur> well, first
direct observation of a black hole
L119[09:04:31] <APlayer> Hey, that's a
huge deal. We can actually resolve a black hole, how awesome is
that? :-)
L120[09:04:34] <Fluburtur> as direct as it
is
L122[09:04:53] <kmath> YouTube - Simple
way to Make Complex Shapes on CNC - Marble Machine X #76
L123[09:04:54] <Fluburtur> Mat2ch
L124[09:06:02] <JVFoxy> does it look like
someone pulled a plug in a tub, all space stuff swirling around,
dropping into blackness? Somehow I feeling its something a little
different han that
L125[09:06:27] <APlayer> It is a grainy
ring around a black spot.
L126[09:09:32] <JVFoxy> I don't know..
part of me is glad those things so far away.. not sure I wanna know
exactly what they look like. mass of several solar systems down to
the size of a tiny planet..
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L128[09:10:46] <Fluburtur> well a large
one would be a bit safer because of the more gentle gravity
gradient
L129[09:12:03] <Fluburtur> so if you were
a safe distance from an inactive giant black hole you wouldnt die
immediatly
L130[09:12:06] <JVFoxy> what determines
the gradient though? I know of a gravity 'curve'...
L131[09:13:00] <Fluburtur> well in a 2d
space, all black holes have the same "depth" but the
curve is more agressive on small black holes
L132[09:13:19] <JVFoxy> though its more of
a how tight an orbit sorta thing than how fast it changes from
center, going outwards
L133[09:13:19] <Fluburtur> on large ones
it is spread over a larger area
L134[09:13:59] <JVFoxy> depth? I thought
it goes farther /down/ the heavier the object is...
L135[09:14:00] <Fluburtur> but if you are
far from a tiny black hole you would still be safe, it would appear
much smaller however
L136[09:16:26] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur:
yes?
L137[09:16:29] <Mat2ch> This is CNC
hell!
L138[09:16:31] <Mat2ch> :D
L139[09:17:06] <JVFoxy> 40b km wide black
hole... whoa..
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L142[09:28:27] <JVFoxy> eh... nose
section?
L143[09:28:35] <Fluburtur> yes
L144[09:28:40] <Fluburtur> I cut the front
off to be smaller
L145[09:28:51] <Fluburtur> easier to store
and transport
L146[09:32:27] <JVFoxy> I've been wanting
to do a sort of space helmet or something out of paper
mache..
L147[09:32:37] <JVFoxy> kind of like how
people make halo armor cos-play stuff
L148[09:34:18] <Fluburtur> not sure how
well paper would work, you can make anything look good if you put
some effort into it
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L150[09:41:09] <JVFoxy> it wouldn't be
just paper... I've seen people use paper mache as a sort of base,
then guessing resin.. fiberglass or something to help give it a
smoother finish.
L151[09:41:39] <Tsar_Bomba> what are we
talking about
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L153[09:43:50] <Tsar_Bomba> is anyone
actually on? plz reply
L154[09:44:35] <umaxtu_mobile> Tsar_Bomba,
we're all hiding cause a nuke just walked in
L155[09:45:51] <JVFoxy> ugh.. no nukes
please. I've been up too long already no thanks to earthquakes in
stomach.
L156[09:46:39] <JVFoxy> talk'n with
Fluburtur on some craft stuff, showed a pic of plane they work'n
on
L157[09:47:23] <Fluburtur> a lot of
peoples also use flexible foam for cosplay
L158[09:47:34] <Rokker> Fluburtur: APlayer
you were about an hour to an hour and a half late on that
livestream
L159[09:47:57] <Fluburtur> I was watching
it live
L160[09:48:15] <APlayer> I received a
notification from another source, did not watch the
conference
L161[09:48:57] <Rokker> Fluburtur: yeah
but you didnt point it out here until an hour after it
started
L162[09:49:45] <Fluburtur> APlayer dleted
the topic so I sent bac the link
L163[09:50:25] *
APlayer is good at deleting things, isn't he?
L164[09:51:32] <Tsar_Bomba> well I don't
see the ksp talk
L165[09:53:56] <umaxtu_mobile> its just
slow right now
L166[09:53:58] <Tsar_Bomba> why is it when
I get hear no one talks
L167[09:56:36] <Tsar_Bomba> im gonna
change my name
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L170[09:57:17] <inventor_lego> hi I am
back
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L172[09:57:54] <umaxtu_mobile> welcome
back
L173[09:58:28] <Fluburtur> we dont talk
about ksp that often here
L174[09:58:46] <Althego> hehe
L175[09:58:52] <inventor_lego> oh that
makes sense
L176[09:58:54] <Althego>
#fluburturbuilds
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L178[09:59:28] <Althego> falcon heavy in 8
hours
L179[09:59:33] <Althego> basically demo
2
L180[09:59:42] <inventor_lego> this is my
mc username
L183[10:00:10] <inventor_lego> and my mom
made it a long time ago
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L185[10:00:34] <JVFoxy> ok so it did get
delayed..
L186[10:01:11] <JVFoxy> an actual payload
that's going to do something...
L187[10:01:18] <Althego> ince i 1-2 days
ago
L188[10:01:56] <JVFoxy> I saw it was meant
to launch yesterday but they pretty much figured on monday, the
weather was going to scrub it till today or so
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L192[10:04:15] <Althego> hmm wintergatan 1
hour ago
L193[10:04:19] <inventor_lego> this is
about WHAT?
L194[10:04:49] <Althego> that depends on
what you mean by this
L195[10:06:39] <inventor_lego> never mind
im bout to leve
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L198[10:07:48] <Althego> lol little boat
on the wooden waves
L199[10:08:30] <Althego> marble machine x.
a series of tubes
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L201[10:09:19] <packbart> Tubular
Mar-Bells
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L215[11:27:29] <Althego> tomorrow i expect
a video from scott about flacon heavy and the event horizon
picture. otherwise i will be disappointed :)
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L217[12:02:03] <Mat2ch> Althego: with or
without drugs? (pain medication!)
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L223[12:15:34] <Althego> hehe
L224[12:17:28] <Althego> hehe veritasium
had correctly shoed the image drawn by hand one day before the
actual reveal
L226[12:18:30] <kmath> YouTube - How to
Understand the Image of a Black Hole
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L231[12:25:35] <Althego> oh wait, tomorrow
is thursday, so probably new pbs spacetime, maybe about the black
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L234[12:31:57] <kmath> YouTube - Worlds
Smallest Tesla Valve? - Shrinky Dink (Shrink Film)
Microfluidics
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L250[14:24:57] <kmath> YouTube - KLINGON
STYLE (Star Trek Parody of PSY - GANGNAM STYLE)
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L254[14:37:41] <kmath> YouTube - 4 Billion
Solar Mass Black Hole in M87 - Event Horizon Telescope
L255[14:37:46] <Fluburtur> scott
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L259[14:49:59] <Rolf> amazing isnt
it
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L262[15:31:33] <UmbralRaptor>
s/4/6\.5/
L263[15:31:42] <UmbralRaptor> (Bad
Scott!)
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L278[16:39:00] <JVFoxy> don't suppose
anyone's done a whole system mod for KSP?
L279[16:44:14] <JVFoxy> oh.. looking at
shadowzone's vid on 1.7... hmm..
L280[17:04:07] <darsie> what?
L281[17:05:00] <JVFoxy> what what?
L282[17:05:23] <darsie> <JVFoxy>
don't suppose anyone's done a whole system mod for KSP?
L283[17:06:13] <JVFoxy> basically kerbal
solar system mod... sorry, not game system mod. I've been wonder
what it takes to make such a thing
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L287[17:11:14] <JVFoxy> solar system I
have some stats for, wanted to do. Though, given that kerbals are
scaled down, realized it may not work very well unless if I do RSS
as well.
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L292[18:26:57] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: If you stare into the Event Horizon long
enough, it stares back with Hawking Radiation.
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L297[18:55:46] <Tank2333> hi
L298[18:55:47] <Mod9000> Hello,
Tank2333
L299[18:55:57] <Tank2333> good day Modbot
o/
L300[18:56:42] <UmbralRaptor> lo
L301[19:01:31] <Tank2333> i just read
there will be a falcon heavy launch tomorrow
L302[19:01:47] <Tank2333> i hope i can
catch it
L303[19:01:54] <Odin> It was supposed to
be 20 minutes from now, got postponed due to high altitude wind
shear
L304[19:02:20] <Tank2333> i see
L305[19:02:43] <UmbralRaptor> I'd
recommend letting the barge catch the boosters
L306[19:04:21] <Tank2333> doesnt make for
a good video though
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L309[19:13:02] <Tank2333> somehow i dont
feel impressed
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L311[19:15:10] <UmbralRaptor> …
L312[19:15:38] <UmbralRaptor> The outer
diameter of the ring is 50 μarcsec
L313[19:16:02] <UmbralRaptor> (might be
closer to 40)
L314[19:18:04] <UmbralRaptor> Or, 1000x
smaller than a pixel on HST
L315[19:25:06] <Tank2333> uh
L316[19:25:12] <Tank2333> now im
impressed
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L318[19:30:11] <UmbralRaptor> Yeah, it's
blurry because we're working right at the limits of what's
possible, and even getting this involved a few decades of pushing
advances in VLBI and millimeter radio astronomy!
L319[19:30:42] <UmbralRaptor>
(Incidentally, the team published six papers today. All are open
access.)
L321[19:32:05] <taniwha> that shot is
better than my best shot of Saturn
L322[19:32:16] <taniwha> (420mm on
micro-4/3)
L323[19:32:56] <taniwha> and considering
that black hole (sag-a?) is significantly further than
saturn...
L324[19:33:23] <UmbralRaptor> Amusingly,
GRMHD shows up a lot in the papers.
L325[19:34:01] <UmbralRaptor> M87*.
Apparently Sgr A* was way harder, so they don't have pics yet
>_>
L326[19:34:17] <Tank2333> so the black
shadow is the event horizon and the disk around is bend light from
the acrederatation thingy?
L327[19:34:20] <taniwha> yeah, followed
your iop link and then googled
L328[19:34:24] <taniwha> virgo A
L329[19:35:21] <taniwha> ok, even further
than sag-a
L330[19:35:30] <taniwha> so yeah,
impressive
L331[19:35:37] <Tank2333> 55million km or
so
L332[19:35:46] <Tank2333> lightyears
L333[19:35:50] <Tank2333> lol
L334[19:35:59] <taniwha> yeah, 55million
km is 1/3 of the distance to the sun
L335[19:36:07] <Tank2333> yeah :)
L336[19:36:12] <taniwha> a slight rounding
error, there ;)
L337[19:36:19] <UmbralRaptor> only
slight
L338[19:37:10] <taniwha> hmm, seeing Mpc
makes me want to read the Wrinkle in Time series again
L339[19:37:28] <taniwha> (where I first
heard of both parsec and megaparsec)
L340[19:37:39] <UmbralRaptor> huh
L341[19:38:34] <taniwha> also where I
first heard of a tesseract
L342[19:41:22] <Tank2333> isnt parsec like
the distance in angle between celestial bodys or something odd like
that?
L343[19:41:39] <taniwha> it's 3.27 or so
lightyears
L344[19:41:54] <UmbralRaptor> ^
L345[19:42:00] <taniwha> but based on 1
arc second of parallax from earth's orbit
L346[19:42:08] <Tank2333> ah yeah
L347[19:42:22] <Tank2333> hm
L348[19:42:25] <UmbralRaptor> Or,
1/parallax angle as measured from earth in arcseconds
L349[19:42:33] <taniwha> oh, and duh,
first heard of parsec in starwars
L350[19:42:44] <UmbralRaptor> hah
L351[19:42:46] <taniwha> "kessel run
in 12 parsecs"
L352[19:42:59] <taniwha> but then finding
that parsec was distance, got terribly confused
L353[19:43:33] <taniwha> (hey, I was 7
when I first saw star wars)
L354[19:43:42] <taniwha> 11 when I read
WIT
L355[19:43:59] <taniwha> maybe 12
L356[19:45:01] <Tank2333> same with scifi
lightyears
L357[19:45:31] <taniwha> anyway, I later
read somewhere that the kessel run involves a lot of black holes
and other dangerous objects, so doing it in 12 parsecs meant
getting dangerously close to things
L358[19:46:12] <taniwha> I've never
encountered scifi using lightyears incorrectly
L359[19:46:17] <Tank2333> Han solo did the
kessel run in SOLO
L360[19:46:58] <taniwha> (maybe
compressing the distances, but light<timeperiod> was always
distance
L361[19:49:19] <Tank2333> i just have a
faint memory of being annoyed by a movie/show using it for
time
L362[19:49:46] <Tank2333> maybe its just
the "lightyears ahead"
L363[19:50:08] <taniwha> time
ahead/distance ahead... same thing, really
L364[19:50:13] <UmbralRaptor> ^
L365[19:50:18] <Tank2333> well
L366[19:50:44] <taniwha> if you can, find
that movie and double check the context
L367[19:50:45] <Tank2333> "tesla is
lightyears ahead in reusable rocketry"
L368[19:50:54] <taniwha> distance
L369[19:51:08] <Tank2333> damn you are
right...
L370[19:54:47] <darsie> I thought Tesla
was on Earth.
L371[19:58:03] <darsie> Earth takes 10,065
years to travel one lightyear around the sun.
L372[19:59:55] <darsie> Wait, a Tesla in
space doesn't mean it's a rocket company.
L373[20:01:57] <Tank2333> just cahnge
tesla for "Elon musk company"
L374[20:02:13] <Tank2333> i cant seperate
them in my head
L375[20:02:38] <Tank2333> im also tired
from work
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L381[20:29:10] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Did you know that black holes are actually
prisons for star vampyres?
L382[20:30:58] <Scolar_Visari> Huh, don't
believe I actually have this one.
L385[20:34:22] <UmbralRaptor> … do I want
to know what's trapped in M87*?
L386[20:35:17] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: M83, after a mix-up.
L387[20:35:38] <Scolar_Visari> At least
there are sweet, sweet synth tunes while you're spaghettified to
death.
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