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L1[00:17:20] <ksft> no, I got the apoapsis
down to about 5 Mm
L2[00:18:27] <ksft> why do I have so many
contracts for testing parts on escape trajectories from the
Mun?
L3[00:19:33] <Althego> hehe
L4[00:19:40] <Althego> but that is the
easiest, just flybys
L5[00:21:14] <ksft> yeah, I guess I should
be able to do it now that I have maneuver nodes
L6[00:21:22] <ksft> hey, what are rovers
useful for?
L7[00:24:09] <Althego> sometimes there are
contracts that require you to take measurements on some points on
the surface. say on the mun or minmus
L8[00:24:25] <Althego> ok you can fly to
each, but lot more fuel
L10[00:26:00] <Althego> also there are
contracts like have x kerbals, on the surface, have wheels, have
docking port and like that
L11[00:26:08] <Althego> but it is enough to
take one wheel :)
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L13[00:26:39] <ksft> oh, I haven't seen any
of those yet
L14[00:27:13] <ksft> does it matter whether
I decline a contract or let it expire?
L15[00:27:42] <Althego> i think it
does
L16[00:27:48] <ksft> which is better?
L17[00:27:52] <Althego> but never really
checked
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L19[00:28:05] <Althego> most of the time it
is impossible to do everything
L20[00:28:16] <Althego> so some of them
expires
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L22[00:29:57] <voidfarer> would anyone be
interested in discussing the best way to get back to Kerbin from
Gilly?
L23[00:31:00] <Althego> technically the
least amount of delta v is achieved by falling towards eve, then
burn away from eve at the closest point. however that requires
quite a bit of planning
L24[00:31:21] <Althego> and since eve is
very close to kerbin, you wouldnt save all that much
L25[00:31:53] <voidfarer> the issue I'm
struggling with is the eccentricity and inclination of Gilly's
orbit
L26[00:32:38] <voidfarer> if I'm using the
transfer planner to time the burn, wouldn't I need to (a)
circularize, and (b) get into an orbit that's at least roughly
co-planar with that of Kerbin?
L27[00:33:09] <Althego> not necessarily,
because the required burn is probably already inclined
L28[00:33:31] <Althego> so again if you
time it right, you might get away with a small plane chang
L29[00:34:16] <Althego> but these make it
hard, so at the distance of gilly i usually just do whatever
L30[00:34:18] <voidfarer> you mean, combine
a small plane change with the prograde burn to break out of Eve
orbit?
L31[00:34:19] <ksft> how much time should I
plan to spend pushing my ship with a kerbal?
L32[00:34:29] <ksft> how long before
apoapsis should I start?
L33[00:34:46] <Althego> no, i mean time it
so, that the inclination of gilly just gives you close to the
required inclination anyway
L34[00:34:59] <Althego> so the required
change is small
L35[00:35:04] <Althego> but as is said this
is hard
L36[00:35:32] <Althego> because as eve
moves around the orbit, the plane of gilly'xs orbit is
rotating
L37[00:35:39] <Althego> it might be that it
doesnt actually help you
L38[00:35:50] <Althego> so i would just
escape gilly
L39[00:36:00] <Althego> and do a burn from
that orbit
L40[00:36:20] <Althego> then you need to
time it only where to burn there
L41[00:36:36] <voidfarer> right... I had
assumed I would want to be in orbit around Eve, not around Gilly
itself
L42[00:37:03] <voidfarer> let me put it
this way...
L43[00:37:35] <voidfarer> say the transfer
window planner says "burn a 'X' o'clock", relative to Eve
and its orbit around the sun
L44[00:38:06] <voidfarer> could I burn from
'X' o'clock, even in Golly-Like elliptical-and-inclined
orbit?
L45[00:38:14] <voidfarer> Gilly... stupid
auto-correct
L46[00:38:20] <Althego> it also says the
burn inclination
L47[00:38:35] <Althego> which means you
have to correct to that oin that burn
L48[00:38:44] <ksft> oh, no
L49[00:38:47] <Althego> the less you need
to correct, the better
L50[00:39:08] <ksft> I just intercepted the
wrong abandoned crew module
L51[00:39:14] <ksft> one I had already
gotten to
L52[00:39:15] <voidfarer> oh...
interesting... give me a second, I'm going to look at KSP in the
other window, but I may need to re-connect to IRC afterwards
L53[00:39:36] <Althego> hehe, just delete
the ones you already rescued
L54[00:39:49] <Althego> i dont like that,
because it is cheaty
L55[00:39:58] <Althego> but one you have
the clay you can deorbit them
L56[00:40:53] <ksft> I have 1154 m/s delta
v left
L57[00:41:00] <voidfarer> so "ejection
inclination" in the planner window is the plane of the orbit
you're departing from, relative to
L58[00:41:02] <voidfarer> Eve?
L59[00:41:08] <Althego> ye
L60[00:41:09] <Althego> s
L61[00:41:19] <ksft> do I try to catch up
to the right one?
L62[00:41:32] <Althego> you could, but that
moves your window
L63[00:41:36] <Althego> so it is hard to
do
L64[00:41:44] <Althego> gilly is far out,
it shouldnt matter al that much
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L67[00:43:32] <Althego> that may not be
enough :)
L68[00:43:57] <ksft> looks like I can catch
up with about 300 m/s and maybe a couple hundred more for some
inefficient fine-tuning
L69[00:44:30] <voidfarer> I tried departing
from Eve from a very, very large orbit that was roughly co-planar
with Kerbin's orbit, but the problem was I was days away from the
right point on that orbit when the time came to burn
L70[00:44:55] <Althego> launch windows are
pretty large, like usually weeks
L71[00:45:38] <Althego> the lowest energy
escape is falling to eve first and do you escape burn as close to
eve as possible
L72[00:46:07] <voidfarer> so... barely skim
eve? a couple of hundred kilometers up?
L73[00:46:17] <Althego> but that means that
has to be timed really carefully that you orbit is in such a way
that when you reach periapsis, ythe prograde burn will create the
desired injection angle
L74[00:46:31] <Althego> this is because of
the oberth effect
L75[00:46:42] <voidfarer> right
L76[00:46:48] <Althego> the lower you are
in a gravity well, the bigger you energy gain from the fuel
L77[00:47:26] <voidfarer> yup... so the
transfer window planner still works for non-circular (even
extremely non-circular) orbits?
L78[00:47:40] <ksft> why does adding a
maneuver node make the marker for my location at the next intersect
disappear?
L79[00:48:18] <Althego> probably a
sensitive rendezvous
L80[00:48:29] <ksft> it disappears before I
make any adjustments
L81[00:48:37] <Althego> the injection angle
and inclination stays the same with the time
L82[00:48:48] <Althego> what you can change
however, is the orbit you get there
L83[00:48:51] <ksft> oh, heh
L84[00:48:59] <ksft> it's being covered up
by the periapsis marker
L85[00:49:01] <Althego> you have to burn
until you get close to an intersection anyway
L86[00:49:12] <Althego> not just blindly
follow the given delta v
L87[00:49:16] <ksft> which is displayed
below it without a maneuver node but above it with one for some
reason
L88[00:49:41] <voidfarer> right... I
usually zoom out into a broad view of the map when executing the
actual burn
L89[00:49:47] <Althego> so if you start
from an elongated orbit, then the required delta v might be a lot
smaller, and that is what the point
L90[00:51:21] <voidfarer> well... I'm going
to have to experiment with this...
L91[00:51:30] <Althego> but even then it
looks like that 1100 is probably not enough
L92[00:52:02] <Althego> maybe the oberth
effect helps you to the other 300
L93[00:53:13] <Althego> or you can just use
the kerbal for the rest
L94[00:53:18] <Althego> they have morethan
400
L95[00:53:25] <Althego> but then you leave
the ship behind
L96[00:53:29] <voidfarer> the real
question, then, is when to dive from Gilly to Eve, so that you're
close to Eve when the window is ideal
L97[00:53:37] <Althego> and probably need
to intercept the kerbal in kerbin soi to not burn up
L98[00:53:49] <Althego> yes that is the
hard thing in it
L99[00:54:13] <Althego> no tool will help
you in that directly
L100[00:54:47] <Althego> and the plane
change is the hardest close to eve
L101[00:54:53] <voidfarer> well... I'm
running a career game and a sandbox in parallel... so I'll
experiment in the sandbox until I work out the timing, then apply
it in the career game
L102[00:55:19] <voidfarer> the plane
change from the inclined orbit of Gilly to that of Kerbin?
L103[00:55:29] <Althego> to that of the
injection inclination
L104[00:56:12] <Althego> but even this may
not be neough, so the simpler solution can be a rescue
mission
L105[00:56:27] <voidfarer> how do I know
I'm at the correct injection inclination?
L106[00:56:35] <Althego> the planner gives
it to you
L107[00:56:49] <ksft> got the periapsis of
the Mun mission down to less than 55 km by pushing
L108[00:56:51] <Althego> at least the
alexmoon thing does
L109[00:57:14] <Althego> hehe sometimes
you need to do that
L110[00:57:52] <voidfarer> okay... I'll
take another crack at it. thank you very much for your advice, I
appreciate the help
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L121[03:07:40] <schnobs> hello, anyone on
this channel familiar with krpc and reference frames?
L123[03:08:20] <Mod9000> Hello, kubi
L124[03:08:22] <kubi> might be
L125[03:09:45] <schnobs> I'm trying to get
my prograde direction in navball terms: pitch above horizon, yaw
according the compass.
L126[03:10:22] <schnobs> In order to get
there, I think I have to compute the "angle of attack"
between prograde and a vector pointing due north.
L127[03:10:52] <schnobs> I can't for the
life of me declare that vector.
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L133[03:43:03] <Fluburtur> my plane is
mostly working
L134[03:43:11] <Fluburtur> but the gps has
a hard time getting a fix
L135[03:48:13] <Mat2ch> But but but there
was this new GPS sat launched!?
L136[03:48:15] <Mat2ch> :D
L137[03:48:50] <Althego> probably not
operational, and it is only 1
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L140[04:00:35] <Eddi|zuHause> what's the
status of Glonass and the like?
L141[04:07:59] <packbart> working fine,
according to my Android thingy
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L143[04:23:05] <Althego> glonass should be
working
L144[04:23:20] <Althego> baidu or
whatsitsname and galieleo is in progress
L145[04:24:51] <Fluburtur> probably
glonass over here
L146[04:24:58] <Fluburtur> but my gps unit
used to get like 14 sats
L147[04:30:00] <Althego> On December 27,
2018, Beidou-3 officially began to provide global services.
L148[04:30:13] <Althego> what do you know,
it is officially in business
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L151[04:50:48] <packbart> Chang'e-4
explores the Von Kerman crater
L152[04:58:12] <Mat2ch> Galileo is almost
complete
L153[04:58:32] <Mat2ch> and should be
usable
L154[05:09:46] <packbart> the
Galileo-compatible ublox chip I ordered from ebay was fake and
isn't :/
L155[05:10:54] <Rolf> gps?
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L158[05:25:43] <Mat2ch> uh, don't order
stuff from ebay?
L159[05:25:56] <Mat2ch> get the stuff from
an authorized reseller
L160[05:31:30] <Eddi|zuHause> i thought
gps chips would be trivially compatible with the other ones?
L161[05:31:47] <Eddi|zuHause> as in
"hardware is the same, just needs software support"
L162[05:34:14] <Mat2ch> nop
L163[05:34:24] <packbart> the software
within the cheep needs to support it. I was trying to buy a NEO-M8N
which could be flashed with new software but got a NEO-M8M with
ROM
L164[05:34:24] <Mat2ch> different
frequencies for the different navigation systems
L165[05:34:51] <Mat2ch> and since many
many parts are on the chip itself today you need some more hardware
for it, too
L166[06:02:34] <Eddi|zuHause> so, the
chinese finally managed to fake a moon landing on the dark
side?
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L169[07:11:06] <Fluburtur> the flight
controllers needs at least 6 sats to arm
L170[07:11:11] <Fluburtur> it takes a few
minutes
L171[07:11:29] <Fluburtur> but it does
work, I think I can fly the plane today or tomorrow
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L176[07:30:40] <Fluburtur> I still have to
set up the failsafe of the flight controller tho
L178[07:32:02] <Mat2ch> how far do you
wanna go?!
L179[07:32:11] <Fluburtur> for now, not
too far
L180[07:32:17] <Fluburtur> but eventually
a dozen kilometers
L181[07:32:22] <Mat2ch> also they didn't
say that you can't go up. :D
L182[07:33:30] <Eddi|zuHause> now imagine
you're an automatted car encountering that sign
L183[07:33:48] <Fluburtur> it will just
explode
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L187[07:37:25] <Guest65433> Hello, just
wondering if I'm the only one encountering the bug where I can't
move Kerbals out of pods in the VAB. I can drag a "ghost"
icon of the specific Kerbal but they don't get removed, can't
occupy other pods/bases either by dragging astronauts to it, it
just won't work. I'm having the issue on a fresh install
L188[07:37:53] <Guest65433> Couldn't find
anything this specific on the forum, at least not with the words I
tried searching with
L189[07:38:16] <Eddi|zuHause> does the X
button work?
L190[07:38:23] <Eddi|zuHause> do you have
any mods?
L191[07:38:37] <X> It summons me
L192[07:38:48] <Eddi|zuHause> that is your
own fault :p
L193[07:39:25] <sandbox> who wins the
summoning game?
L194[07:39:42] <Eddi|zuHause> the only
winning move is not to play
L195[07:41:46] <Guest65433> The x button
doesn't work, neither does the buttons at the bottom
L196[07:41:54] <Althego> lol the button
sumons
L197[07:42:18] <Guest65433> Yeah I have
mods, I tried reinstalling the game hoping it would fix it
L198[07:42:35] <Guest65433> Mods are
MechJeb and Tweakscale
L199[07:42:49] <Eddi|zuHause> so i can
skip the question of "have you tried turning it off and on
again?"
L200[07:48:53] <Guest65433> Yeah
lmao
L201[07:49:12] <Guest65433> Sorry for the
slow replies, enabling/disabling and restarting as we speak
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L209[09:26:34] <Althego> and scott indeed
says something now
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L212[09:35:50] <Althego> lol there was no
sound in firefox, but now there is after a reboot
L213[09:36:01] <Althego> but now i can
hear hullo
L214[09:41:18] <Althego> what,m another
press conference tuday?
L216[09:45:00] <Althego> hehe, what is a
won kerman crater? i guess he meant von kármán
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L219[09:48:37] <Fluburtur> this glider is
quite fast$
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L226[10:34:44] <Eddi|zuHause>
<Althego> hehe, what is a won kerman crater? <- people
that both played too much KSP and don't know that german v is more
like /f/ than /w/?
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L230[11:17:46] <Althego> lol 5 cameras on
nokia 9? somebody must make a joke out of this. like the twenty
something bladed razor
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L234[11:39:44] <Eddi|zuHause> the biggest
part of the joke is the word "nokia"?
L235[11:43:23] <Althego> that too
L236[11:47:22] <Glass|phone> is it just me
or does aeroflot.ru look like the UI of an early smartphone
game
L237[11:49:00] <Glass|phone> the pc
version I mean, the smartphone one seems quite okay actually
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L239[12:02:52] <Althego> if rick grimes
was a physicist, he would say: curl!
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L245[12:56:00] <Althego> next picture of
ultima thule coming up in a few minutes
L246[12:58:06] <Kalpa> Care to hotlink one
of those youtube streams for me again?
L247[12:58:43] <Althego> i am waiting for
the faster stream
L248[12:58:53] <Kalpa> Last time your
faster stream had no sound for me
L249[12:58:57] <Althego> the nasa tv is
lagging behind with around 10 seconds
L250[12:59:02] <Althego> yes and then it
died
L251[12:59:08] <Althego> but it had the
picture first :)
L253[12:59:20] <kmath> YouTube - NASA
Live: Official Stream of NASA TV
L254[12:59:28] <Kalpa> Cheers
L256[13:00:47] <kmath> YouTube - New
Horizons Press Briefing: Ultima Thule & Closest Approach
(Results)
L257[13:00:58] <Kalpa> John Hopkins'
L258[13:04:08] <Althego> hehe stereo
image
L259[13:04:13] <Althego> no i have
polarizing ones
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L261[13:21:19] <Althego> hehe a small
snowman in the drawing
L264[13:33:26] <Althego> hehe of course
bunny mascot
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L267[13:47:12] <UmbralRaptop> ?
L268[13:48:16] <Kalpa> Löps löps
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packbart launches another space station
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L277[14:33:15] <Althego> hehe expanded
reduxed. thos cancel each other
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L279[14:35:04] <Mat2ch> now, where is the
mod that lets you fly through this station in first person?
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L288[15:48:28] <Rolf> china apparently
landed on far side of moonm
L289[15:49:51] <UmbralRaptop> ? version
2.0
L290[15:51:55] <darsie> UmbralRaptop: Nice
rectangle.
L291[15:58:57] <Rolf> nice rabbit
L292[15:59:21] <Rolf> not sure what you
meant by rabbit verson 2.0 though
L293[15:59:43] <Rolf> darsie: get a better
font. use Hack font :)
L294[16:01:15] <UmbralRaptop> darsie:
lagomorphs are not tofu!
L295[16:01:47] <UmbralRaptop> Rolf:
apparently the rover is "Jade Rabbit 2"
L296[16:02:01] <Rolf> ahh
interesting
L297[16:04:05] <JVFoxy> bunny!
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L302[16:33:22] <Glass|phone> Rokker:
...
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L304[16:34:31] <Glass|phone> It's *really*
well made though
L305[16:37:49] <jgkamat> wow that is
fantastic
L306[16:38:01] <jgkamat> the closer you
look the better it is
L307[16:42:35] <Rokker> I love
erupeo
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L312[16:58:38] <darsie> Rolf: I don't like
hack. Too bold. Spreads over fractional pixels. I'll keep using
monospace for now.
L313[17:00:46] <UmbralRaptop> GNU
unifont?
L314[17:04:06] *
darsie restarts KVIrc to load unifont ...
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L317[17:06:21] <darsie> ugly
L318[17:06:34] <UmbralRaptop> Can you see
? hopping around?
L319[17:06:38] <darsie> yes
L320[17:06:43] <UmbralRaptop> Yay
L321[17:06:50] *
darsie switches back to monospace.
L322[17:06:58] <UmbralRaptop> blarg
L323[17:07:10] <OneNick362Days> are we
talking about not seeing emoji in monospace
L324[17:07:27] <darsie> defire
emoji.
L325[17:07:31] <darsie> define
L326[17:07:53] <darsie> probably
L327[17:08:15] <OneNick362Days> �
L328[17:08:21] <OneNick362Days> ?
L329[17:08:23] <OneNick362Days>
interesting
L330[17:08:37] <OneNick362Days> I think
mIRC allows me to copy by
not-the-entirety-of-the-multibyte-character.
L331[17:08:40] <UmbralRaptop> Characters
that are "supposed" to be colorful by default and/or on
plane 16?
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L333[17:10:06] <darsie> I thought mirc is
dead.
L334[17:16:41] <Eddi|zuHause> is there a
monospace font for linux that contains all the new emoji
stuff?
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L336[17:34:56] <OneNick362Days> noto-mono
exists, right
L337[17:35:00] <OneNick362Days> i cannot
remember
L338[17:38:13] <UmbralRaptop> noto is
missing the past 2(?) years. Symbola, maybe?
L339[17:38:58] <darsie> noto mono is here,
but has pixel blur.
L340[17:52:15] <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't there
a feature where missing glyphs could be pulled from a (possibly
non-monospace) fallback font?
L341[17:53:19] <Eddi|zuHause> beause the
situations where it needs to be monospace-aligned and the
situations where there need to be emojis are rarely
overlapping
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L343[18:08:35] <JVFoxy> lol.. ok.. some
weird balancing going on... sub-orbital rocket with MK1 a few
tanks, engine and fins. Coming down horizontal. I was hoping to
land in water next to KSC.. using body for some lift and drag to
slow down. Instead, ended up actually climbing back up pretty
steeply..
L344[18:11:00] <JVFoxy> doh.. meant to
save everything, had fuel to slow down, instead ejected
capsule
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L347[18:55:57] <Eddi|zuHause> check yo
staging, man
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L352[19:46:49] <ksft> whoa, I just got
more than two full technologies from wandering around the KSC with
Basic Science things and no surface samples
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L360[20:35:01] <UmbralRaptop> It's silly,
but it works.
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L369[21:27:12] *
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L370[21:28:56] <JVFoxy> so.... was
wondering, 1.5.1... ckan has a lot of stuff that works with it
still or? Debating on doing something new for this year.
L371[21:33:23] *
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L372[21:37:16] <JVFoxy> lol.. sorry,
everyone off sleeping already? Hmm...
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L377[22:12:41] <UmbralRaptop> krpc seems
to work with 1.6
L378[22:13:22] <JVFoxy> derp..
L379[22:13:33] <JVFoxy> ok didn't realize
lost connection so long ago. arg
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